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Re: Did you know?
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2012, 07:26:50 PM »
^Big +1. Eisenhower new there would be deniers because most of the world was denying it back when it was happening. It was hard to admit that something on the scale of the Holocaust could actually happen.

It goes beyond Germany too...Japan will never admit to everything they are guilty of in the Pacific War and before, going back to the 19th century. Check out what Korean/Chinese/Japanese relations are like today. And the Turks are still adamant about not labeling what happened in Armenia in WWI as genocide.

And on and on.
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« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2012, 04:39:18 AM »
^Big +1. Eisenhower new there would be deniers because most of the world was denying it back when it was happening. It was hard to admit that something on the scale of the Holocaust could actually happen.

It goes beyond Germany too...Japan will never admit to everything they are guilty of in the Pacific War and before, going back to the 19th century. Check out what Korean/Chinese/Japanese relations are like today. And the Turks are still adamant about not labeling what happened in Armenia in WWI as genocide.

And on and on.

I don't have much to add to this.  I just wished to say I concur wholeheartedly with your post. 




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Re: Did you know?
« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2012, 08:46:29 AM »
After seeing Dachau, somehow he knew there would be Holocaust deniers.  He made sure that everything was caught on film.
If everything had not been so well documented, most people would not believe that such atrocities could have happened, or on such an industrial scale.

When we went to the Patton Museum at Ft Knox a few years ago, there was a temporary display on one of the units that liberated a camp in Bavaria (not Dachau, but name escapes me).  It was pretty moving to listen to the eyewitness accounts of the guys who liberated it, but it was really hard to explain to a five-year-old why you're listening to a telephone receiver in the museum
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Re: Did you know?
« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2012, 08:50:51 AM »
^The Wife and I are constantly worried about how to explain things like this to the youngins'. My older one (5 years old) has already come home and asked me about war and soldiers and things and I do my best. The Holocaust and 9/11 scare the crap out of me as far as explaining them to the kids.
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« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2012, 09:02:53 AM »
^The Wife and I are constantly worried about how to explain things like this to the youngins'. My older one (5 years old) has already come home and asked me about war and soldiers and things and I do my best. The Holocaust and 9/11 scare the crap out of me as far as explaining them to the kids.

I am not sure exactly how we got to the subject, but it was likely a combination of them learning in school and osmosis.

Being a docent at the WWII museum, we visited as a family several times. (Interestingly one child has consumed military history with relish, the other couldn't care less.)

Also, keep in mind that the school will introduce those topics.

One day they'll come home and connect all your WWII games and books to what they learned in class. The next year, they'll learn some more. Eventually (probably around 6th grade) one of the suggested readings will be Anne Frank's diary. That's your window, and don't be afraid to enter it. No one is ever ready, but the world is full of bad people. There are people today who would create another holocaust if they could, and 9/11 is not so far removed from the topic that they can't be connected.

I was never afraid of discussing them - quite the opposite. They need to know. And you can tell when they're ready. If their eyes glaze over, they don't care or get it. But one day they'll be interested, probably particularly so given your religious background, Gus.

Kids can often be treated as young adults. I've never talked down to my kids. It may go in one ear and out the other, but they get to hear life and its complexities on a daily basis. I've found if you tell it like it is, they figure it out. They're smarter than we give them credit for.

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Re: Did you know?
« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2012, 11:27:18 AM »
The part that unnerves me is the emotion involved. My Grandfather never talked about the war and I think I am programmed like he is.

The events I actually saw in person are just too horrible. I don't know how to present it in person without losing my mind. And if my kids are anything like I was they will want to know every little detail.

How do you tell a little kid you saw people hurtling to their deaths out of windows and splattering on the sidewalk? How do you explain the reasons why you were turned down to donate blood that day? How do you explain the fear that you had that you wouldn't live to get home...that was very real to me in the early hours of 9/11.

Documented history will be somewhat easier because of the degree of detachment. 9/11 will be the big deal for me.
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« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2012, 12:06:02 PM »
The part that unnerves me is the emotion involved. My Grandfather never talked about the war and I think I am programmed like he is.

The events I actually saw in person are just too horrible. I don't know how to present it in person without losing my mind. And if my kids are anything like I was they will want to know every little detail.

How do you tell a little kid you saw people hurtling to their deaths out of windows and splattering on the sidewalk? How do you explain the reasons why you were turned down to donate blood that day? How do you explain the fear that you had that you wouldn't live to get home...that was very real to me in the early hours of 9/11.

Documented history will be somewhat easier because of the degree of detachment. 9/11 will be the big deal for me.

Well, I was removed and didn't see that first-hand.

I guess how you deal with it depends on you. If you don't want to discuss it, you don't have to. If you want to, but don't know how, that's a different question.

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Re: Did you know?
« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2012, 12:28:39 PM »
10+ years on and I don't know. I was a blathering mess for about a month after the actual time. But I'll probably be quietly affected by 9/11 for the rest of my life. What to tell the kids never really came into the equation until now.
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Re: Did you know?
« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2012, 12:40:55 PM »
I think we were all affected, though not nearly to the degree you - and others there - were.

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Re: Did you know?
« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2012, 01:02:19 PM »
Probably. That's the kind of stuff they don't tell future parents about. "Yeah so one day you'll have to explain all of the mysteries of the universe - dark and light - to your kids. Good luck."
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« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2012, 11:02:41 AM »
I seem to remember several conversations about this over at Wargamer. I think Kev used to taunt a "certain well-preened and dressed individual" by saying that Hugo Boss was the designer of the SS uniforms.
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« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2012, 12:07:53 PM »
Not sure but I think that came up in this thread again and was proven to be true.
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« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2012, 02:05:05 PM »
Then someone slandered VW, but they were right too!!
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« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2012, 08:51:50 AM »
I loved my VWs until they became really expensive to maintain. So did my Gramps. For some reason he hated buying anything from Japan but happily bought VW Bugs, even though he didn't fight in the Pacific.

He had his odd side.
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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2012, 09:15:25 AM »
I loved my VWs until they became really expensive to maintain. So did my Gramps. For some reason he hated buying anything from Japan but happily bought VW Bugs, even though he didn't fight in the Pacific.

He had his odd side.

We all have quirky inconsistencies. It's part of being human, I think.