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Jack Ryan season 2 - SJWs infiltrate the writing staff
« on: November 01, 2019, 01:27:50 PM »
I started watching the first episode of season 2.  So Venezuela is ruled by a right wing ultra-nationalist who's destroying the economy and their only saviour is a progressive Humanities professor with a history of supporting social justice?   Wow, it's like it's ripped right from today's headlines (if all you read is HuffPo, DailyKos, and Vox).  Eat a bag of dicks Bezos. 



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Re: Jack Ryan season 2 - SJWs infiltrate the writing staff
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 02:12:29 PM »
Destroying the economy even more than the ultra-left wing dictator already did? TAKE THAT, REAL LIFE!  :2funny:
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Re: Jack Ryan season 2 - SJWs infiltrate the writing staff
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 04:22:14 PM »
Destroying the economy even more than the ultra-left wing dictator already did? TAKE THAT, REAL LIFE!  :2funny:

He could be considered Ultra-Right just the same.
Honestly, the political spectrum is more like a circle than a straight scale. When you go radical enough you will just end up where the ultra-radicals of the other side are.

Also isn't the economy one of the lesser problems brought on by Chavez and his ilk, especially in comparison with the complete eradication of democracy and human rights?!

P.S What's a Jack Ryan???

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Re: Jack Ryan season 2 - SJWs infiltrate the writing staff
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2019, 04:30:09 PM »
One might argue that the complete eradication of democracy and human rights was what tanked his economy. ;)

But anyway, my comment wasn't meant to suggest that ultra-right wingers couldn't tank the economy, too. Though I suspect the writers aren't thinking in terms of ultra-anarchists, who would be unlikely to be nationalists per se, but rather are thinking of Nazis -- who were of course radical revolutionary socialists.
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Re: Jack Ryan season 2 - SJWs infiltrate the writing staff
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2019, 04:52:31 PM »
As for Jack Ryan... hm. He's the main protagonist (or after he levels up a lot the guest Big Good) of a series of novels written by Tom Clancy, tracing his career from humble beginnings in the US intelligence community to President of the United States. (And beyond? -- not sure if Clancy got to Ryan's retirement from President before he died.)

There are a number of film versions most of which are not in continuity with each other, including adaptations of the novels Hunt for Red October (starring Alec Baldwin as Ryan, good job, and Sean Connery as a Russian sub captain, great job!); Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger (a duology mostly considered in canon with the HfRO film sharing a lot of overlapping actors, but replacing Baldwin with Harrison Ford); and Sum of All Fears (continuity reboot for the film version, starring Ben Affleck as Ryan). There was another film reboot attempt called Shadow Recruit starring Chris Pine, but I'm unsure if it was adapting any books.

The Ryan in the books is definitely not an action hero, this being reserved for the actual soldier characters, especially "John Clark" the second main protagonist of the novels who was VERY VERY HEAVILY borrowed from the modern pulp hero Mack Bolan "The Executioner" (like Marvel Comics' "The Punisher"). I mean, Ryan does get into trouble in the novels sometimes, but scrapes through by the skin of his teeth. The film adaptations up through Sum (at least) kept this characteristic, while sometimes writing him more into the grand finales than in the novels. (He was a former Marine after all, though very much a pencil-neck geek by Marine standards.)

The popular first-person shooter video game series Rainbow Six was based on a Clancy Jack Ryan novel spinning off Clark and several soldier side characters into an homage to a related Executioner pulp book series, "Phoenix Force" (even borrowing the general plot to the first big crossover event among that series' novels). As far as I know that connection to the "Ryan-verse" continuity has been dropped.

Red Storm Rising, the famous WW3 1980s novel co-written by Clancy with Larry Bond, and loosely based on playing Harpoon campaigns, can be regarded (as I do) as a sort of alternate-universe continuity Jack Ryan novel featuring a similar character named John Toland.


The novels are super-groggy, though they got rather bloated (in my opinion along with some other fans) at their heydey around the time of Sum of All Fears. Clancy eventually learned (or was forced) to trim his pacing back into a better flow.

For more about the character and a quick description of his novels, see TVTropes here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/JackRyan
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Re: Jack Ryan season 2 - SJWs infiltrate the writing staff
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2019, 10:29:28 PM »
I started watching the first episode of season 2.  So Venezuela is ruled by a right wing ultra-nationalist who's destroying the economy and their only saviour is a progressive Humanities professor with a history of supporting social justice?   Wow, it's like it's ripped right from today's headlines (if all you read is HuffPo, DailyKos, and Vox).  Eat a bag of dicks Bezos.

Is this satire?  These days it is hard to tell.

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Re: Jack Ryan season 2 - SJWs infiltrate the writing staff
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2019, 10:38:16 AM »
As for Jack Ryan... hm. He's the main protagonist (or after he levels up a lot the guest Big Good) of a series of novels written by Tom Clancy, tracing his career from humble beginnings in the US intelligence community to President of the United States. (And beyond? -- not sure if Clancy got to Ryan's retirement from President before he died.)

There are a number of film versions most of which are not in continuity with each other, including adaptations of the novels Hunt for Red October (starring Alec Baldwin as Ryan, good job, and Sean Connery as a Russian sub captain, great job!); Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger (a duology mostly considered in canon with the HfRO film sharing a lot of overlapping actors, but replacing Baldwin with Harrison Ford); and Sum of All Fears (continuity reboot for the film version, starring Ben Affleck as Ryan). There was another film reboot attempt called Shadow Recruit starring Chris Pine, but I'm unsure if it was adapting any books.

The Ryan in the books is definitely not an action hero, this being reserved for the actual soldier characters, especially "John Clark" the second main protagonist of the novels who was VERY VERY HEAVILY borrowed from the modern pulp hero Mack Bolan "The Executioner" (like Marvel Comics' "The Punisher"). I mean, Ryan does get into trouble in the novels sometimes, but scrapes through by the skin of his teeth. The film adaptations up through Sum (at least) kept this characteristic, while sometimes writing him more into the grand finales than in the novels. (He was a former Marine after all, though very much a pencil-neck geek by Marine standards.)

The popular first-person shooter video game series Rainbow Six was based on a Clancy Jack Ryan novel spinning off Clark and several soldier side characters into an homage to a related Executioner pulp book series, "Phoenix Force" (even borrowing the general plot to the first big crossover event among that series' novels). As far as I know that connection to the "Ryan-verse" continuity has been dropped.

Red Storm Rising, the famous WW3 1980s novel co-written by Clancy with Larry Bond, and loosely based on playing Harpoon campaigns, can be regarded (as I do) as a sort of alternate-universe continuity Jack Ryan novel featuring a similar character named John Toland.


The novels are super-groggy, though they got rather bloated (in my opinion along with some other fans) at their heydey around the time of Sum of All Fears. Clancy eventually learned (or was forced) to trim his pacing back into a better flow.

For more about the character and a quick description of his novels, see TVTropes here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/JackRyan

Ohh right, it's that guy that has been played by lots of different actors.

Also, do you really expect a show based on Tom Clancy's work to be realistic?
Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X had Trinidad conquer Brazil and the entire friggin U.S of A in single day.

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Re: Jack Ryan season 2 - SJWs infiltrate the writing staff
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2019, 11:45:14 AM »
He gets his name slapped on a lot of things.  ::) The books are more plausible.
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PanzOrc Corpz Generals -- Season One complete; Fantasy Wars AAR, lots of screenies.

The full pdf of Cry of Justice has been posted to the Grogheads Book category here.