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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #75 on: November 10, 2019, 02:52:04 PM »
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There's nothing on par with two Mustangs playing chicken with each other to cause Zeroes to crash. ;) (Come to think of it, I realize American fighters must have been in the film but they sure don't get much attention!)

While ramming generally isn't an accepted air defense tactic, it could be effective in a Dauntless against the lightly-built Japanese Zero.  In one encounter with Zeros in May 1942, Stanley "Swede" Vejtasa was attacked by three A6M2 Zero fighters.  He shot down two of them and cut off the wing of the third with his wingtip in a head-on pass .  See https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qhcjy at the 1:44 mark.

Yeah, it's been probably said already but the SBD is the only bomber of WW2 to have a greater than 1:1 air to air kill ratio (actually about 3:1). With all but the first SBD-2s having two 50 cals in the nose they were even occasionally used for combat air patrols.
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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2019, 03:41:37 PM »
What was amazing to me the first time I saw a Dauntless (and an F4F Wildcat) were how tiny they were.

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« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2019, 06:12:38 PM »
Saw the movie this afternoon with one of my sons, didn't have high expectations, but we both really liked it.  It surely has some Hollywood moments, but they do a good job of generally sticking to the real story and making it entertaining.

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« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2019, 06:45:57 PM »
What was amazing to me the first time I saw a Dauntless (and an F4F Wildcat) were how tiny they were.
Yep, they are small compared to modern aircraft.  The Dauntless as also deliberately made as small as possible because it didn't have folding wings.  That decision was made in order to make the airframe as strong as possible to withstand the g-forces from pulling out of a dive bomb attack.  But because it didn't have folding wings, it would take up a lot of deck space, thereby limiting the size of the embarked airwing on a carrier.  So, to minimize that, Heinemann designed the SBD to be as small as possible.

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« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2019, 07:13:50 PM »
I rewatched the 1976 Midway movie this evening.  It starts out with the Doolittle raid.  Coral Sea is talked about, but not shown on camera.  A lot of the footage was WW2 combat footage.  The big flaw with the 1976 Midway was the unnecessary and irritating romance between an F4F pilot and a Japanese girl who is interned with her parents.  Fortunately, with DVD you can zip right through all of that.

Tom Sellick has a bit part (forgotten all about that) and Eric Estrada (CHiPS) has a minor role. 

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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #80 on: November 10, 2019, 08:00:08 PM »
I honestly never liked Midway '76.   

It's a poor man's Tora Tora Tora. 

Mifune, Fonda and Holbrook are highlights though.

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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #81 on: November 10, 2019, 11:25:52 PM »
I'm going to see it based on you boys feedback - but I have to say I am very, very disappointed with the cartoon CGI in the trailer. WTF is going on with CGI nowadays. There's really no excuse for bad CGI in films now...they've perfected it.

I'm glad it appears to be not as bad as the trailer shows it to be - and I'll give some feedback when I've been
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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #82 on: November 11, 2019, 05:17:57 AM »
After listening to all the discussion, the historical people, will find things to be disappointed in.  Corners were cut, and personalities misrepresented.
However, for the vast majority of people, who have no idea that there was a Battle at Midway, this is a great spectacle.
It draws them in, and may be a gateway for the more thoughtful ones.  This may get their curiousity aroused to dig down and learn more of Midway and World War II.
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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #83 on: November 11, 2019, 06:55:37 AM »
I didn't think it was bad CGI at all, and I had that impression from the trailer, too. Possibly it was unfinished, but I suspect the impression came from a lot of the trailer showing dive bombing and flying into gunfire at various angles so it looks sparkly and fireworkish.

Then again, I play a lot of computer games, so it isn't hard to clear my bar for cut-scenes and quick-time events.  >:D
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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #84 on: November 11, 2019, 06:57:39 AM »
There are a bunch of little details I hadn't noticed often in prior naval movies either, like everyone with binoculars has cheescloth or a shammy or something like that between the binocs and their hands. Not so important on a set, but kind of important out where you might get spray on your binocs.
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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #85 on: November 11, 2019, 10:47:43 AM »
There...there are people out there who don't know there was a battle at Midway?

Don't answer.
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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #86 on: November 11, 2019, 01:05:25 PM »
Based on a poll I recall being made back around 2008 or 2010, 20 to 25% of British citizens under 30 think Winston Churchill is a fictional character. And Montgomery, iirc.
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Re: Midway remake out in cinemas NOV 8
« Reply #87 on: November 11, 2019, 01:19:52 PM »
There...there are people out there who don't know there was a battle at Midway?

Don't answer.

Gus, I taught History for almost 20 years.   I could tell you stories of what people don't know, kids and adults, that would make you cry, literally cry.  There's a reason I switched careers upon hitting middle age.

Yes, there are people that don't know there was a Battle of Midway.

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« Reply #88 on: November 11, 2019, 01:27:25 PM »
^I knew I liked you. I also taught history and social studies for a few years.
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« Reply #89 on: November 11, 2019, 01:34:51 PM »
^I knew I liked you. I also taught history and social studies for a few years.

Then you know the pain of writing "Europe is not a country, it is a continent.  Austria and Australia are not the same."  in huge letters on a white board and making a class stare at it for 45 minutes as a lesson.