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Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« on: October 11, 2018, 04:24:51 PM »

  This is based on a scenario in Elusive Victory, but with Israeli jamming and plenty of things to streamline solo play.  The reality is that on June 8, there was still heavy fighting as the Israelis decided to close up to at least the southern end of the canal.  The scenario supposes that the Egyptians air defenses and air force are starting to function to some degree and that the Israelis are taking the SAM-2s seriously (both have some support in reality) and are launching well-supported strikes on airfields partly to drive the Egyptian planes into the air early to reduce pressure later (something I learned from playing this scenario -- not necessarily true of the actual war).  The line up is 24 Mirage versus 8 Mig-21 and 8 Mig-17 with 20 bombers versus 20 bombers (the Israelis have 16 in reserve).  This is a slightly more even match-up than it sounds because the Egyptians have SAM-2s and flak and better bombers.

    On turn one, the Egyptians get 2 Mig-21s and 2 Mig-17s off the ground:


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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2018, 05:38:23 PM »

  This is based on a scenario in Elusive Victory, but with Israeli jamming and plenty of things to streamline solo play.  The reality is that on June 8, there was still heavy fighting as the Israelis decided to close up to at least the southern end of the canal.  The scenario supposes that the Egyptians air defenses and air force are starting to function to some degree and that the Israelis are taking the SAM-2s seriously (both have some support in reality) and are launching well-supported strikes on airfields partly to drive the Egyptian planes into the air early to reduce pressure later (something I learned from playing this scenario -- not necessarily true of the actual war).  The line up is 24 Mirage versus 8 Mig-21 and 8 Mig-17 with 20 bombers versus 20 bombers (the Israelis have 16 in reserve).  This is a slightly more even match-up than it sounds because the Egyptians have SAM-2s and flak and better bombers.

    On turn one, the Egyptians get 2 Mig-21s and 2 Mig-17s off the ground:

   Turn 2, surprisingly the Israelis are late.  The Egyptians switch on another SAM-2 and get some Su-7 bombers and some more Mig-21s into the air.

   The Egyptians have had two minutes of air superiority!  And they still have tanks out there ready to fight.


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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2018, 06:34:35 AM »

  This is based on a scenario in Elusive Victory, but with Israeli jamming and plenty of things to streamline solo play.  The reality is that on June 8, there was still heavy fighting as the Israelis decided to close up to at least the southern end of the canal.  The scenario supposes that the Egyptians air defenses and air force are starting to function to some degree and that the Israelis are taking the SAM-2s seriously (both have some support in reality) and are launching well-supported strikes on airfields partly to drive the Egyptian planes into the air early to reduce pressure later (something I learned from playing this scenario -- not necessarily true of the actual war).  The line up is 24 Mirage versus 8 Mig-21 and 8 Mig-17 with 20 bombers versus 20 bombers (the Israelis have 16 in reserve).  This is a slightly more even match-up than it sounds because the Egyptians have SAM-2s and flak and better bombers.

    On turn one, the Egyptians get 2 Mig-21s and 2 Mig-17s off the ground:

   Turn 2, surprisingly the Israelis are late.  The Egyptians switch on another SAM-2 and get some Su-7 bombers and some more Mig-21s into the air.

   The Egyptians have had two minutes of air superiority!  And they still have tanks out there ready to fight.

    Turn 4: the Big Israeli airfield raid comes into detection range (the lead elements are just north of Mitla Pass -- south is toward the top of the map
-- Let's see what else:

   The Israeli column approaching El Tasa has a detected flight of Su-7 coming for it -- I'll roll to see if the Israelis can bring in some Mirages to at least make life difficult for the Su-7s):

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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2018, 04:37:35 PM »

    Turn 4: the Big Israeli airfield raid comes into detection range (the lead elements are just north of Mitla Pass -- south is toward the top of the map
-- Let's see what else:

   The Israeli column approaching El Tasa has a detected flight of Su-7 coming for it -- I'll roll to see if the Israelis can bring in some Mirages to at least make life difficult for the Su-7s):

   The Mirages arrive too late (you can't even see them in the shot) to stop the Su-7s from scoring a 2 point hit on the Israeli column AND SAM-2s get a full acquisition on another Mirage flight:


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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2018, 01:36:50 PM »


   The Mirages arrive too late (you can't even see them in the shot) to stop the Su-7s from scoring a 2 point hit on the Israeli column AND SAM-2s get a full acquisition on another Mirage flight:

 
  Six minutes into the action and there are two high altitude dogfights (No hits) and Zohar's Vautour is jamming the SAM-2s at levels 1-2 depending on distance.   Zohar is the name of the only pilot ever to shoot down anything while flying a Vautour.  Israel had 30 (or slightly more) Vautours and used them mostly as long-range bombers and electronic warfare planes.  Half of them were lost, but they seem to have been pretty effective in the bombing and jamming roles.
   Meanwhile the SU-7s have made a 3-point hit on that same Israeli column -- so at the moment the Egyptians are ahead 5 to 0.

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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2018, 08:25:44 AM »
 
  Six minutes into the action and there are two high altitude dogfights (No hits) and Zohar's Vautour is jamming the SAM-2s at levels 1-2 depending on distance.   Zohar is the name of the only pilot ever to shoot down anything while flying a Vautour.  Israel had 30 (or slightly more) Vautours and used them mostly as long-range bombers and electronic warfare planes.  Half of them were lost, but they seem to have been pretty effective in the bombing and jamming roles.
   Meanwhile the SU-7s have made a 3-point hit on that same Israeli column -- so at the moment the Egyptians are ahead 5 to 0.


   Seven minutes into the action...SAM-2 salvo launch and no hits.  No planes hit despite 4-5 encounters and lots of twisting and turning.  One flight of Su-7s is too disordered to do much more than get home if they can (they already dropped their bombs and got hits) AND nothing has been hit but some Israeli trucks.  I guess planes in the air were pretty hard to hit in 1967:

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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2018, 10:03:56 AM »


   Seven minutes into the action...SAM-2 salvo launch and no hits.  No planes hit despite 4-5 encounters and lots of twisting and turning.  One flight of Su-7s is too disordered to do much more than get home if they can (they already dropped their bombs and got hits) AND nothing has been hit but some Israeli trucks.  I guess planes in the air were pretty hard to hit in 1967:


   eight minutes in (Start of Turn 9), things are evening up:  The Israelis got 3 hits on an airfield.  SAM-2s are still launching and getting no hits, though this time they got some reasonable detections:

   

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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2018, 10:39:38 AM »


   eight minutes in (Start of Turn 9), things are evening up:  The Israelis got 3 hits on an airfield. 

 

  Nine minutes in (start of Turn 10).  the Egyptians are still a bit ahead since the heavy flak at Kibrit damaged a Super Mystiere B2 while it was blasting something out in the open on the runways.  So the score is 5 for Israel (all bombs and straffing at Kibrit) and 7 for Egypt (5 hits on trucks and one damaged Super Mystiere B2 ).  Numerous flights are aborting due to disorganization or low fuel and ammo.  And the Israelis are bringing in another big strike group (six Mirage, 8 Mystieres, one Vautour) -- which might do enough damage maybe to put them in the lead:


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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2018, 01:00:18 PM »


   eight minutes in (Start of Turn 9), things are evening up:  The Israelis got 3 hits on an airfield. 

 

  Nine minutes in (start of Turn 10).  the Egyptians are still a bit ahead since the heavy flak at Kibrit damaged a Super Mystiere B2 while it was blasting something out in the open on the runways.  So the score is 5 for Israel (all bombs and straffing at Kibrit) and 7 for Egypt (5 hits on trucks and one damaged Super Mystiere B2 ).  Numerous flights are aborting due to disorganization or low fuel and ammo.  And the Israelis are bringing in another big strike group (six Mirage, 8 Mystieres, one Vautour) -- which might do enough damage maybe to put them in the lead:

  After 11 minutes of battle there is a kind of lull.  The Egyptians have 5 flights in the air -- very scattered -- and the Israelis have Mirages set to come after any flights coming into the Sinai.  If the Egyptians push into the Sinai again, they are likely to lose some aircraft and the SAM-2s are getting a lot of jamming down south.

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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2018, 09:05:55 AM »


  After 11 minutes of battle there is a kind of lull.  The Egyptians have 5 flights in the air -- very scattered -- and the Israelis have Mirages set to come after any flights coming into the Sinai.  If the Egyptians push into the Sinai again, they are likely to lose some aircraft and the SAM-2s are getting a lot of jamming down south.

   Around 12 minutes into the battle, Marom's flight of 2 Mirages has quite a busy minute as it dodges some SAMs and attacks two MiG-17s.  As usual, nobody gets hit by anything.  Not even any trucks:


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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2018, 10:02:51 AM »


   Around 12 minutes into the battle, Marom's flight of 2 Mirages has quite a busy minute as it dodges some SAMs and attacks two MiG-17s.  As usual, nobody gets hit by anything.  Not even any trucks:

  Around 10 seconds later and about 50 nautical miles to the north, one of Harish's Mirages wings one of Mikhail's Mig21s and the score is tied 7 to 7.

  (Marom and Harish versus Migs):

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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2018, 01:29:20 PM »
Sounds like an interesting game concept and scenario, thanks for sharing.
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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2018, 12:04:42 PM »
Sounds like an interesting game concept and scenario, thanks for sharing.

  The scenario is base on the one in Elusive victory.  I've simplified and randomized lots of things for solitaire, also added the jamming since:
a) we know it happened
b) it did have a lot of impact on SAM-2s of that generation
c) the Egyptians mention the jamming as being especially bad on June 8.

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Re: Western Sinai: Sunrise June 8, 1967
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2018, 12:10:10 PM »


  Around 10 seconds later and about 50 nautical miles to the north, one of Harish's Mirages wings one of Mikhail's Mig21s and the score is tied 7 to 7.



  And Ka-Boom:  Rom's two Mirages bounce Mikhail's shot up flight of Mig21s and shoot them both down.  So Israel is ahead by 6 (two down the rules make Israeli planes worth 4 and Egyptians 2, but I set up the points as 3 for any down, 2 for any damage/cripple and 1 for any bomb hits)...plus there's some over claiming obviously since the Israelis got 2 for damaging one of the planes downed for 3 -- but that's air warfare for you.
  So the score is 13 for Israel, 7 for Egypt at about 12 minutes in.  And a big Israeli strike is coming in down south.  After that, i guess it is battle-over.

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2018, 08:40:01 AM »


  Around 10 seconds later and about 50 nautical miles to the north, one of Harish's Mirages wings one of Mikhail's Mig21s and the score is tied 7 to 7.



  And Ka-Boom:  Rom's two Mirages bounce Mikhail's shot up flight of Mig21s and shoot them both down.  So Israel is ahead by 6 (two down the rules make Israeli planes worth 4 and Egyptians 2, but I set up the points as 3 for any down, 2 for any damage/cripple and 1 for any bomb hits)...plus there's some over claiming obviously since the Israelis got 2 for damaging one of the planes downed for 3 -- but that's air warfare for you.
  So the score is 13 for Israel, 7 for Egypt at about 12 minutes in.  And a big Israeli strike is coming in down south.  After that, i guess it is battle-over.

   Yes, one flight of Mystieres scores some hits on trucks for 4 giving Israel 17 points (with over-claims) to 7 for Egypt.  End of Battle