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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2019, 09:35:07 PM »
You're off to a great start Tripoli.  O0  Kentucky being neutral at the start of the game means neither side is able to enter it's territory until after events cause one side or the other to cross the border into the state. Up to that point, Kentucky is a great big shield against your enemy but you need to have forces ready to respond whenever you can cross the border to grab the very valuable Strategic Cities there.
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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2019, 08:18:50 AM »
Bought the game from Matrix.

Question - Didn't the North have an extensive campaign in Kentucky early in the War?

Yes, they did.  But Kentucky was neutral until September 4, 1861.  Lincoln didn't want to violate its neutrality, as he was trying to woo it into the Union.  His comment "I hope to have God on my side, But I must have Kentucky" illustrates the importance of the state to the Union.  Only when Confederate general Polk violated its borders to seize Columbus did Kentucky (with some machinations by the Union) flip to the Union side.   I'll probable cover some of this history in the next installment of the AAR.

Thanks.  Month-by-month early war issues have been forgotten.

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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2019, 09:28:41 AM »
Bought the game from Matrix.

Question - Didn't the North have an extensive campaign in Kentucky early in the War?

Yes, they did.  But Kentucky was neutral until September 4, 1861.  Lincoln didn't want to violate its neutrality, as he was trying to woo it into the Union.  His comment "I hope to have God on my side, But I must have Kentucky" illustrates the importance of the state to the Union.  Only when Confederate general Polk violated its borders to seize Columbus did Kentucky (with some machinations by the Union) flip to the Union side.   I'll probable cover some of this history in the next installment of the AAR.

Thanks.  Month-by-month early war issues have been forgotten.

For my money, the campaigns in the western and trans-Mississippi theaters were the most interesting, so I'm hoping to cover them in a little detail in the AAR

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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2019, 09:39:00 AM »
I agree. Anyone interested in learning to play this game, beyond the tutorials, should try the Western Campaign. It's less about combat and more about building infrastructure and a viable supply line to west Texas. The North has plenty of troops in California and Colorado but getting them to El Paso without starving to death is the real challenge. Looking forward to more Tripoli.
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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2019, 08:19:31 AM »
This reminds me how whenever I play the South in Forge of Freedom (...which maybe I'll do a comparative AAR on...? Maybe after Tripoli's?), the North always seems to IMMEDIATELY invade Kentucky. Which flips it to the Confederacy of course, but on the other hand Kentucky is mostly knocked out of the war by the invasion and now my beloved Tennessee is the battle-border state. Suffering invasions from the North through Kentucky on a regular basis.  :P
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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2019, 09:33:02 AM »
Kentucky is a bit of a conundrum.  Gary Grigsby's "War Between the States" does a good job of forcing the Union player to balance the advantages of seizing some key terrain in Kentucky, with the disadvantages of  it switching to the Confederate side.  In "The Grand Design: Strategy and the US Civil War" (p. 48) Donald Stoker writes:

"The lack of Unionist restraint had contributed to the eruption of civil war in Missouri: Lincoln insisted things go differently in Kentucky. When [it] declared its neutrality, Lincoln adopted a wait-and-see approach...Lincoln considered possession of Kentucky ...critical to eventual Union success because of its position along the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, as well as the possible influence it might exert on the other border states."

See also https://youtu.be/5MeAfq6XKAs?t=649 for a presentation by Stoker on Kentucky and its neutrality and the violation of that neutrality.

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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2019, 11:24:42 AM »
Worth noting that AgCW2 has been nicely simulating the touchy Missouri early situation in your game! (That doesn't happen worth anything in ForgoFree.)

Just don't send any redlegs to burn farms, or you'll make Clint Eastwood mad.  :knuppel2:
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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2019, 11:47:14 AM »
Worth noting that AgCW2 has been nicely simulating the touchy Missouri early situation in your game! (That doesn't happen worth anything in ForgoFree.)

Just don't send any redlegs to burn farms, or you'll make Clint Eastwood mad.  :knuppel2:

Would you, perhaps, be thinking of this scene:
https://youtu.be/dCPcoNo_OkM?t=55

Or possibly this scene:
https://youtu.be/StEAPPLbPJw?t=186

Or maybe this one? 
https://youtu.be/zLRlY46ttfE

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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2019, 01:25:12 PM »
Yes.

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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2019, 03:09:47 PM »
I would be playing this game now too, if I had any chance of running the war in even a remotely competent fashion.
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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2019, 03:33:41 PM »
I would be playing this game now too, if I had any chance of running the war in even a remotely competent fashion.

That's why I like playing US Civil War games as the Union.  I can always blame my poor performance on McClellan... ;D

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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2019, 08:53:44 PM »
I was hopelessly inept at this game until I watched Spink Akron's excellent series on the game on YouTube covering the confusing parts of Supply, Organization, Leadership, and much more. Then I couldn't get enough of the game. Now I'm only moderately inept at it.  :bd:
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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2019, 08:36:33 AM »
I was hopelessly inept at this game until I watched Spink Akron's excellent series on the game on YouTube covering the confusing parts of Supply, Organization, Leadership, and much more. Then I couldn't get enough of the game. Now I'm only moderately inept at it.  :bd:

Thanks-I was unaware of the videos.  I'll have to take a look. 

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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2019, 08:52:38 AM »
You're welcome. They really peaked my interest and understanding of the game.
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Re: Tripoli invades the South in Civil War II!
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2019, 10:02:32 PM »
Kentucky is a bit of a conundrum.  Gary Grigsby's "War Between the States" does a good job of forcing the Union player to balance the advantages of seizing some key terrain in Kentucky, with the disadvantages of  it switching to the Confederate side. 

Crap.  Now you make me want to fire up that game too (although I never have truly learned how to play it).  Sigh. 
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