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Offline MengJiao

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Hastenbeck: July 26 1757
« on: August 26, 2018, 01:38:51 PM »

So, the Duke of Cumberland (who had lost the battle of Fontenoy 14 years earlier ), made his stand with the Hanoverian Army against the French at Hastenbeck -- historically the French turned his position and stormed the Grand battery -- but he still might have won but he began withdrawing his army somewhat early.  The result was a strategic victory for France.  Anyway here is a preliminary look at the battle where Cumberland should have a slightly better chance:



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Re: Hastenbeck: July 26 1757
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2018, 09:40:40 PM »

So, the Duke of Cumberland (who had lost the battle of Fontenoy 14 years earlier ), made his stand with the Hanoverian Army against the French at Hastenbeck -- historically the French turned his position and stormed the Grand battery --

  Just after sunrise, the Hanoverian Jagers and Grenadiers rout the French Skirmishers off of the back of the ObenBerg.  So far, things are going as they did historically:


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Re: Hastenbeck: July 26 1757
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2018, 09:47:04 AM »

So, the Duke of Cumberland (who had lost the battle of Fontenoy 14 years earlier ), made his stand with the Hanoverian Army against the French at Hastenbeck -- historically the French turned his position and stormed the Grand battery --

  Just after sunrise, the Hanoverian Jagers and Grenadiers rout the French Skirmishers off of the back of the ObenBerg.  So far, things are going as they did historically:

   An hour and a half after the first clash and things are not going well for Cumberland and the Hanoverians:  The French Grenadiers and the Navarre Regiment have stopped the Hanoverian counterattack at a sunken lane and taken a lot of Hanoverian artillery.  Meanwhile French infantry and Cavalry columns are converging on the Hastenbeck area.  The few bright points for Cumberland and company are that the jagers are holding an objective and that the retreat route has been cleared of intruding French light cavalry.  And Hamlen (the really big point objective) is still under Hanoverian control (that's off to the west):

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Re: Hastenbeck: July 26 1757
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2018, 10:04:26 AM »
Is this John Tiller's Seven Years War ?

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Re: Hastenbeck: July 26 1757
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2018, 10:06:59 AM »
Is this John Tiller's Seven Years War ?

  Yep!

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Re: Hastenbeck: July 26 1757
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2018, 10:27:09 AM »


   An hour and a half after the first clash and things are not going well for Cumberland and the Hanoverians:  The French Grenadiers and the Navarre Regiment have stopped the Hanoverian counterattack at a sunken lane and taken a lot of Hanoverian artillery.  Meanwhile French infantry and Cavalry columns are converging on the Hastenbeck area.  The few bright points for Cumberland and company are that the jagers are holding an objective and that the retreat route has been cleared of intruding French light cavalry.  And Hamlen (the really big point objective) is still under Hanoverian control (that's off to the west):

   And everything seems to be going OK for the French and then most of the Regiment DuRoy routs out of the sunken lane.  Good thing regiments Navarre and Picardie and the Grenadiers are on hand to fill the gap there:


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Re: Hastenbeck: July 26 1757
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2018, 10:53:52 AM »
I'm enjoying your AAR :) Hope you're enjoying the game.

Just so people are clear on one thing, the reason Hameln is the big VP objective despite being a bit "off" to the side of the battle is that is where Cumberland's line of retreat ran.

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Re: Hastenbeck: July 26 1757
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2018, 12:28:36 PM »
I'm enjoying your AAR :) Hope you're enjoying the game.

Just so people are clear on one thing, the reason Hameln is the big VP objective despite being a bit "off" to the side of the battle is that is where Cumberland's line of retreat ran.

   Oh yes!  This is a fantastic game.  I think the seven-years' war is pretty tricky.  Superficially, everybody seems to have roughly the same weapons so the balance is pretty close.  One slip and your army is a wreck (for example Kunersdorf).  Anyway, I think this game deals very well with a very difficult set of dynamics.

   And...in conclusion...Cumberland was probably wise to withdraw when he did even if it resulted in a strategic disaster.  The French force has pretty close to overwhelming cavalry and firepower and the infantry can do reasonably well most of the time.  So a reluctant salute to the Duke of Cumberland after all.
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