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Total War Arena coop with Nefaro and HTuna. Good fun.
« on: March 17, 2018, 10:45:48 PM »
Just played a few games with Nefaro and HTuna. Good fun and nice to put some voices to names.
We had some really resounding successes and some dismal failures. Arena is both very time sensitive in that you cannot take too much time to do things
in the 15 minutes you have, or your team suffers while your part of the army is out of contact. 

HTuna took Greek Hoplites while Nefaro took Greek Archers and I Barbarian cavalry.
The Hoplites provide a potent wall of spears to protect the archers and a deterent to any attack. If you hit Hoplites from the front you are not going to have an easy time of it. Even if they are not formed into phalanx formation. If they are formed into phalanx formation they are almost impenetrable, however their spears are so tightly packed that even if friendly troops run into them they die.
I tried to provide a scouting element as well as targets of opportunity vanguard role. In addition to trying to protect our archers rear.

My son on his computer next to me, was unusually quiet which was a nice change. Must have been the American accents coming through the PC speakers :P



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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2018, 10:49:58 PM »
Oops, didn't know we were on speakers, good thing we kept it clean. Fun time, would definitely do again!

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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2018, 10:57:26 PM »
What was really strange was that you guys seem like nice people in real life... :D
Especially Nefaro. Yeah I am on speakers because of my tinitus and ear problems. Should try a headset again though.
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2018, 11:03:35 PM »
He got to hear two different American accents. You should have told me to say "Go park the car at harvard yard". For some reason the rest of Americans,  think its really funny when us Bostonians say that.  :crazy2:

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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2018, 11:22:05 PM »
Yeah.
I am looking forward to trying my Greek shock cavalry. I think they are one of the hardest units in the game to play effecively.
Because they are heavy cavalry, they are not really useful for much but a heavy charge that affects moral much more than it actually does damage.
You are very exposed on their heavier slow mounts, they just don't have the burst of speed you need to get out of trouble I don't think. I will have to be prepared to
lose get very low scores when using them. I don't think the tier IV Greek cavalry are that bad though? They are more medium cav?

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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2018, 11:53:04 PM »
Also a quick question to the community historically. What weapons are effective against elephants? Would pikes and spears be swept away against fresh elephants untouched by any other weapon. Are elephants like horses in that they shy away from spears? Considering the Romans formed empty lanes or gaps in their formations to let elephants harmlessly through. I am guessing the answer is yes. But I guess the question would be one of asking if the elephants are willing to attack solid walls of spears. Did they ever attack Macedonian phalanxs frontally?
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2018, 03:27:12 AM »
Historically the weakeness of elephants are missile weapons, particularly the Javelin. FoG 2 does this well.
Poking elephants with pike or spear will eventually kill them but people argue thatís that the rampage will be directed on the poking side and it wonít be pleasant.  So itís better to make the elephants panic before close combat.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2018, 06:32:34 AM »
Elephants also don't like loud noises.
A friend claimed that Scipio trained his musicians to get close and blow their tubariums suddenly near the ears at Zama.
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2018, 06:35:25 AM »
Is that a consumable for Scipio?

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2018, 10:22:16 AM »
As it's a computer game you should probably threaten them with your mouse.

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2018, 12:11:54 PM »
Oops, didn't know we were on speakers, good thing we kept it clean. Fun time, would definitely do again!

What was really strange was that you guys seem like nice people in real life... :D
Especially Nefaro. Yeah I am on speakers because of my tinitus and ear problems. Should try a headset again though.

Good thing I kept it clean!  Always wonder if someone, on voice, is piping my hillbilly curses throughout their home, shocking family and pets.   ;D

I can keep it PG, though.  Tinitus sucks, have it in my right ear.  Too much extremely loud music and unprotected shooting in my youth, I suppose.  Gotta regularly jockey the output volume in voice programs, per individual, or it gets painful.  Definitely understand not using headphone speakers next to your damaged eardrums.

Yeah.
I am looking forward to trying my Greek shock cavalry. I think they are one of the hardest units in the game to play effecively.
Because they are heavy cavalry, they are not really useful for much but a heavy charge that affects moral much more than it actually does damage.
You are very exposed on their heavier slow mounts, they just don't have the burst of speed you need to get out of trouble I don't think. I will have to be prepared to
lose get very low scores when using them. I don't think the tier IV Greek cavalry are that bad though? They are more medium cav?


Just got the first Greek cav yesterday on Alexander.  They're all about the Impact damage. 

Their armor is good, but they're currently the only cav without shields.  I don't know how the shields work in TW:A, but if it's like regular TW then they make a big difference when taking ranged fire from the front.  Probably a lesser effect in melee. 

I get the impression the Greek cav is for a quick charge and getting back out to greener pastures or to re-charge as needed.  Alexander's "Hammer" and "Anvil" abilities seem essential for it, too.


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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2018, 12:15:05 PM »
Historically the weakeness of elephants are missile weapons, particularly the Javelin. FoG 2 does this well.
Poking elephants with pike or spear will eventually kill them but people argue thatís that the rampage will be directed on the poking side and it wonít be pleasant.  So itís better to make the elephants panic before close combat.

In the last TW:A nerfing of the overpowered elephants, they listed an increase in speed debuff for them when struck by javelins. 

I believe javelins also do some bonus damage to elephants in it. Although the war elephants have a huge hp pool in this thing, so it still takes awhile from what I understand. 


Also:

Didn't Scipio (iirc?) train his infantry to open up columns through his lines when charged by elephants?  They would take the path of least resistance through those while his javelins & skirmishers would pelt them and get them to run off the other side. 

Obviously can't do that in-game because the player has complete control.  I'm not even sure if TW:A elephant players will lose control of them in a rampage.
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2018, 08:06:37 PM »
Historically the weakeness of elephants are missile weapons, particularly the Javelin. FoG 2 does this well.
Poking elephants with pike or spear will eventually kill them but people argue thatís that the rampage will be directed on the poking side and it wonít be pleasant.  So itís better to make the elephants panic before close combat.

In the last TW:A nerfing of the overpowered elephants, they listed an increase in speed debuff for them when struck by javelins. 

I believe javelins also do some bonus damage to elephants in it. Although the war elephants have a huge hp pool in this thing, so it still takes awhile from what I understand. 


Also:

Didn't Scipio (iirc?) train his infantry to open up columns through his lines when charged by elephants?  They would take the path of least resistance through those while his javelins & skirmishers would pelt them and get them to run off the other side. 

Obviously can't do that in-game because the player has complete control.  I'm not even sure if TW:A elephant players will lose control of them in a rampage.

TWA needs to nerf the wardogs. They are way OP..I saw them munch an archer unit much faster than a cav unit would have.

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2018, 10:38:04 PM »
I believe javelins also do some bonus damage to elephants in it. Although the war elephants have a huge hp pool in this thing, so it still takes awhile from what I understand. 

Thereís no morale in the game? Only HP?

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2018, 02:36:17 AM »
Morale is a huge part of the game. Some cavalry cause more moral damage than actual damage with their charges for instance. Units rout often and rally sometimes.
Moral is hugely effected by flanking and rear attacks. The game even tells you when the troops are happier because their flanks are protected by friendlies, which I also think has an effect on it's moral.

See the symbols just above the unit cards. The one with the chevron and block of dots indicates that I am protected on that flank.



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