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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2015, 10:16:27 AM »
BC, I agree, I don't think you can look at a war in Western Europe in a vacuum.  I would think the Norks would jump at the chance launch a war with the South. 

I'm not sure if the Chinese would go after Siberia, but I could see them trying to get the lands back that the Russians took form them in the 1800's.

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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2015, 04:35:34 PM »
Someone posted this over at the matrix forums for Command. It's the 1985 CIA analysis of the USSRs ability to fight a multi-front war. They were pretty pessimistic about China's ability to threaten the USSR. They also seem to have thought that the soviet navy would have stuck close to home to protect their boomers. They seem to have thought as well that NATO would be the first to use tactical nukes, but that the soviets might try to preempt them to take away the capability. Interesting grand strategy thinking.

http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000261287.pdf

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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2015, 04:44:37 PM »
It was Sov doctrine that a lot  of Red Fleet would be tasked with protecting the  boomers. They had a lot of types designed for that purpose. Being defensive wasn't going to win the war at sea though.
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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2015, 06:02:58 PM »
there's a lot of discussion on CSW in the Doomsday folder, too
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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2015, 08:53:02 PM »
I'd like to see a game like NATO: The Next War in Europe get redone, maybe expanded to cover the North Cape, Iceland, perhaps some Atlantic war abstractions...that would be awesome.

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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2015, 12:46:37 AM »
I still love Hackett's use of B-52s im carpet bombing and stopping a Soviet spearhead.  :2funny:
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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2015, 09:43:35 AM »
^ Was that the book called The Third World War, August 1985, or something like that?

I had that book - read it in middle school, though it took me a while to get through it.

Edit - oops, I forgot I still have the book...opened up my bookcase and there it is! I'll have to read it again. I had forgotten I lost the book somewhere and I found this copy in a discount book store about 8 years ago.

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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2015, 10:29:32 AM »
^ Was that the book called The Third World War, August 1985, or something like that?

I had that book - read it in middle school, though it took me a while to get through it.

Edit - oops, I forgot I still have the book...opened up my bookcase and there it is! I'll have to read it again. I had forgotten I lost the book somewhere and I found this copy in a discount book store about 8 years ago.



I think the B52 carpet bombing mission was in the follow-up book: The Third World War: The Untold Story.
 
http://www.amazon.com/Third-World-War-Untold-Story/dp/0025471104/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1422638893&sr=8-3&keywords=World+War+III%3A+The+Untold+Story

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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2015, 02:00:43 PM »
Just a thought.  I don't think the Chinese would attach the Russians  I would think it would be more likely for them to support a Nork attack into the South and maybe a try for Taiwan. 

If the Norks could take the South, it would get the US off the mainland.  And the US Navy may have had shift assets to the Atlantic to help there, thus allowing the Chinese to try for Taiwan.
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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2015, 02:18:51 PM »
The ChiComms couldn't take Taiwan in 85. Even if the US was out of Korea. They didn't have the amphibious assets for it.

I could see the US making an effort to encourage the Chinese to attack the Sovs. Maybe dangle concessions on Taiwan.
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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2015, 03:04:26 PM »
I'm not sure I buy the theory that the US would sacrifice Taiwan just so the Chinese would attack Russia.

Another thing that would be key, is what was known about Siberian natural resources and how easy they were to get to. 
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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2015, 04:46:49 PM »
^Ah, the 'Northern Resource Area' plan eh? A classic page from the WW2 Japanese business plan.

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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2015, 11:00:03 PM »
I think the B52 carpet bombing mission was in the follow-up book: The Third World War: The Untold Story.

I think your right.  I haven't read either in years.
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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2015, 09:39:26 AM »
Sadly I didn't even know there was a follow-up book to The Third World War. Thanks for that, I'll have to grab it at some point after reading this first book again.

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Re: NATO-Warsaw Pact 1985
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2015, 11:01:43 AM »
IIRC, the Hackett books serve as backstory for one of scifi author Dean Ing's own series, starting with the novel Systemic Shock.
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