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Religion, Politics, and Flame Wars / Re: Trump Said What? Thread
« Last post by bayonetbrant on Today at 04:23:27 AM »
someone shared this with the comment "it's like Trump is the three-eyed raven or something"

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/446461592029630464
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Trump disavowed hate and racism. Trump rightfully and accurately accused both the fringe right and the fringe left of causing violence...what exactly is the problem?

Correct me if I'm wrong but this how I understand what he said : 'there are good people on both sides' ... so there are good protesters on the left but there are also good neo-nazis and good white-supremacists .
If I understood this correctly isn't that a problem ?

There were others besides neo-nazis and white supremacists protesting just like there were others beside the antifa fascists there who did not want violence.

If I wanted to protest I wouldn't do it at the meeting organised by those groups, unless I somehow agreed with their ideas (or leave the moment I hear them shouting anti jew slogans).

Yeah, I have to second this. If I am just there to protest tearing down the statue, as soon as I see the swastikas and hear people chanting "Blood and soil" and anti-Jew slogans, I'm going home because it's pretty clear that this is going waaaayyyyyyy beyond a statue.

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If I am just there to protest against a march of an ultra right wing group, as soon as I see the Antifa/Black Bloc in riot stance and hear people chanting "All Cops, Are Bastards" and similar no-go aggressive slogans, I'm going home because it's pretty clear that this is going waaaayyyyyyy beyond a protest against a rally of people whose political views i object in disgust
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Current Events / Re: Van Hits People in Barcelona
« Last post by MikeGER on Today at 03:55:03 AM »
Islamic State is claiming responsibility.
#NothingtodowithIslam

 :DD

the Spanish Police is searching an Iman's home for DNA samples, to fit them to remains found in the bomb-shop that had exploded (and so had forced to kick off planed terror operation of that cell early and alter the ways of conduction)

A white Renault Kangoo minivan is wanted, and is believed to have passed into France with the remaining 4 terrorists on the run.

pics and names of the wanted:
https://twitter.com/elEconomistaes/status/898570897178726400
 
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Trump disavowed hate and racism. Trump rightfully and accurately accused both the fringe right and the fringe left of causing violence...what exactly is the problem?

Correct me if I'm wrong but this how I understand what he said : 'there are good people on both sides' ... so there are good protesters on the left but there are also good neo-nazis and good white-supremacists .
If I understood this correctly isn't that a problem ?

There were others besides neo-nazis and white supremacists protesting just like there were others beside the antifa fascists there who did not want violence.

If I wanted to protest I wouldn't do it at the meeting organised by those groups, unless I somehow agreed with their ideas (or leave the moment I hear them shouting anti jew slogans).

Yeah, I have to second this. If I am just there to protest tearing down the statue, as soon as I see the swastikas and hear people chanting "Blood and soil" and anti-Jew slogans, I'm going home because it's pretty clear that this is going waaaayyyyyyy beyond a statue.
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Computer Wargaming / Re: Run for your FRIDAY with me
« Last post by Kushan on Today at 02:16:02 AM »
Prepar3D and Elite for me.

Picked up the Aerosoft CRJ-700/900 for Prepar3D this week along with the OrbX scenery I bought last weekend. Took it out for the first time tonight, a quick flight from KSEA to KPDX (Seattle to Portland). Flight went well until the autopilot tried to kill me on the approach. I landed it but it was ugly. Much more fun to fly in a sim then it is top actually fly on one.
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As much as I feel the undercurrent of the alt-right might be more socially and politically present than many of you seem to give it credit for, I don't think anyone is directly comparing left and right wing ideologies and associated followers in terms of how evil they are on a fixed scale.

Nazi's are evil, sure. Someone including a "but left wing extremists are evil too" doesn't directly compare both groups, nor does he call them equal. One of the points being made is that left wing violence is understated in the media, something which I feel is correct. Those people deliberately wearing black as a sort of radical uniform, like some of the people at Charlottesville and most of the people tearing through Hamburg recently are not nice people either. You can say two groups are bad without having to explain which group is worse. It's not a "pick a side" thing. All extremist are in the "bad people" corner here. I doubt there's much misunderstanding about that.

If I'd be going to the unite the right protest, I agree that I would know it would be filled with Nazi's and white supremacists. As the intention to stage such a protest was publicly proclaimed, the radical left but also those militia groups had time to prepare and it was pretty much set in stone what was going to happen.

There were also counterprotesting (in the broad sense, some actually counterprotesting, some just shouting at the Nazi's) respectable concerned citizens, which were sometimes assimilated into the left wing protest. But everybody was there because the Nazi's and white supremacists were there. Those militia types, many of whom seem to have ties to the alt-right and rather right wing ideas about the federal government, were there not in direct support of the right, but they would not have been there had the unity the right protest not taken place or the intention to do so made public in advance.

In a strong, functional democracy, right and left wing groups should be allowed to protest and proclaim their message in public if it doesn't breach the law. As has been noted, they would mostly be ignored.
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Ally/Opponent Finder / Re: CMBN, RT, FB or BS opponent wanted.
« Last post by Yskonyn on Today at 01:13:58 AM »
We can use this thread, but what is our upload limit? I've seen turn files as big as 30MB.
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Computer Wargaming / Re: Warframe
« Last post by Yskonyn on Today at 12:28:32 AM »
Are your handles your Steam handles in game?
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@Ghostryder
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I'm an American. i got plenty stake in the game. It's repulsive to see left wingers trying to justify this group. but given the left's history it's probably to be expected. You did, afterall speak up Jim Crow, Robert Byrd and of course let's not forget the left voting against the civil rights acts of 1875, 1957, 1960 and 1964.

In keeping with the current trend to just remove all signs of racism, hate and bigotry I think the best act any of us could do to to rid this world of the Democratic party.

Agreed, reprehensible actions back then but you are really going to base your argument on actions from 50+ years ago?   That's a pretty long memory but what about our current events?  And what does this have to do with the topic of antifa?

Fair question. Let's look at recent history from the left. they defend black lives matters. Another hate group showing up to bash heads and destroy property and to censor anyone who disagrees with them. Occupy Wallstreet-- yet another group set to shut down free speech, bash heads, and destroy property.

I'm all for protests. In the sense of Martin Luthur King. Not the KKK or The Black Panthers or Malcolm X- all of which were hate groups. I grew up in the civil rights war of the 60s, and watched and also took park in protests in Miami- I remember seeing a democrat stand in front of a school so black children couldn't enter-and a republican-Dwight D. Eisenhower not screwing around with a national guard but sent in combat troops to insure those same black kids could sit with white kids in class. I lived through Kent State- as I had a brother in college in Akron- who later found himself becoming a sniper for the army---so perhaps you are too young to understand what exactly the impact the draft had. But all in all I've watch the democrats spew hate and devide all my life. And I'm not saying that as a republican bashing demograts because I'm not a republican nor ever have been.

you want more recent examples that go to current political leaders I got plenty. I could write for hours. Clinton, Gore or even McCain. Oh...I lived in arizona 35 years. i fuckin' know McCain inside and out. For a half-century, Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” has been the manual for left-wing activism. As a community organizer, Barack Obama implemented Alinsky’s call for purposeful agitation with perfection. Hillary Clinton, who Media Matters’ David Brock dubbed “Alinsky’s daughter,” wrote her thesis on his legacy. And to the militant left, her defeat signaled the need for a new set of tactics. Those familiar with the relevant history know that the Left has never shunned its radicals. To cite just one example, Kathy Boudin is a convicted murderer and one-time member of the Weather Underground, a violent left-wing terrorist group active in the 1970s. Today, she has a prestigious teaching gig at Columbia University. Boudin was the getaway driver in the infamous 1981 Brinks armored car robbery, in which her fellow terrorists killed three police officers. Her official Columbia biography doesn’t mention her crimes, emphasizing instead her work “on the causes and consequences of mass incarceration,” among other things. The only reason to pretend that the right-wing fringe represents anything close to the size, scope, and historical legacy of left-wing political extremism in America is to avoid talking about the real problem. And that problem is getting worse.

these groups above- along with the recent attempts to wipe history---by taking down statues which is no different than book burning. Don't think it'll stop there. The constitution is all full of slave owners---and that's their ultimate target. They all are marxist anarchists and their mission has always been that.
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