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Title: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 05, 2012, 11:13:59 AM
Based on recommendations made over at the old site, I've been into the Horatio Hornblower books in a big way the last several weeks.  I'm currently halfway through Flying Colours, and probably about halfway through the series overall -- I started reading them in chronological order. 

(Speaking of which, I strongly recommend *against* doing that.  Read them in the order in which they were written instead, as otherwise the experience isn't quite as good.) 



At the same time, I've also been reading (although less intensely) What If? 2, a collection of essays examining major historical turning points, and what might have occurred had things gone another way.  Pretty interesting stuff, even if I do find a lot of the alternative scenarios to be very far-fetched. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on March 05, 2012, 11:27:50 AM
At Bison's recommendation I'm reading Steven Saylor's series of a Roman detective, starting with Roman Blood. Put it down to historical fiction, it's good stuff.
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Post by: Gusington on March 05, 2012, 11:58:28 AM
I am reading China Marches West: The Qing Conquest of Central Eurasia. It focuses on the interaction of the Mongols, Russians and Qing Chinese from the16th century til the 18th century. It is rather academic but something about it is very addictive too, I can't get enough of it. Probably because I haven't read a lot of Chinese history. Great book.

Link: http://www.amazon.com/China-Marches-West-Conquest-Central/dp/0674057430/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330973795&sr=1-3
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on March 05, 2012, 12:13:56 PM
Just finished Thunder Run, now reading Phoenix Squadron.
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Post by: MIGMaster on March 05, 2012, 01:24:27 PM
So what did ya think of Thunder Run ?
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Post by: bob48 on March 05, 2012, 01:37:12 PM
Both harrowing and inspiring really. I was impressed by the 'can-do' spirit and the confidence that those guys had in both themselves, each other, and thier equipment.

It also brought home the sheer horror of war like few books have ever done, and I've read a good many over the years.
Not a book that I will forget for a long time. Also, seeing some of the actual footage of it on youtube made a very vivid impression.

I did chuckle at the bit where they call in an airstrike, and it happened to be a Tornado. They had trouble understanding the pilot because he spoke 'British English'
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on March 05, 2012, 10:13:23 PM
About 60 pages in to the newest Ciaphas Cain book, The Emperor's Finest, by Sandy Mitchell.

And I'm probably going to bust in to The Fall bu Guillermo Del Toro/Chuck Hogan after that. It's the second book in a series about a vampire plague...and the first book was stunningly good. Not really a vampire fan, but I took a shot because it was cheap. It was a pleasant surprise and now I'm hoping that the sequel holds up.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: spelk on March 06, 2012, 03:09:45 AM
I do a lot of listening to books, due to my commute. So I'm half way through both of these

Castles of Steel by Robert K. Massie (to cajole my enthusiasm for Steam and Iron)

Mass Effect: Retribution by Drew Karpyshyn. (to whip up my enthusiasm for Mass Effect 3)


Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 06, 2012, 06:59:57 AM

Dead Centre, the latest book in the Nick Stone series by former SAS member Abdy McNab.


Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MIGMaster on March 06, 2012, 07:02:59 AM
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I did chuckle at the bit where they call in an airstrike, and it happened to be a Tornado. They had trouble understanding the pilot because he spoke 'British English'

Yeah - I could never get onto that British English.  ;D  I forgot about that until you mentioned it. There were some humerous little events...........
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 06, 2012, 09:57:25 AM
I can't believe they have Castles of Steel as an audio book!

And Arctic Blast you and I have very similar taste in fiction. Checking out The Fall...thanks for posting that. And damn you as well.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on March 06, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
And Arctic Blast you and I have very similar taste in fiction. Checking out The Fall...thanks for posting that. And damn you as well.

LOL. you've read the first book in the series, right? If not, you need to be tracking down The Strain first.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: spelk on March 06, 2012, 10:59:00 PM
I can't believe they have Castles of Steel as an audio book!

From Barnes and Noble.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/castles-of-steel-robert-k-massie/1102808863?ean=9781415912614&itm=1&usri=castles+of+steel+audiobook

It comes on 33 CD's in unabridged disc form, so the download is 33 mp3 files.

Gabeeg helpfully aided me in getting hold of it, because it is country restricted to US residents only.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 07, 2012, 08:30:37 AM
33 CDs!!! Crazytalk. Arctic, in my search on Amazon yesterday I did see that the Fall is part of a series, yes. I can't buy it until I make some headway through my 25 book stack of fiction first. Been reading a lot more fiction than usual lately.
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Post by: MIGMaster on March 07, 2012, 09:32:57 AM
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Been reading a lot more fiction than usual lately.

You're not telling us a story are ya !  ;)
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Post by: Gusington on March 07, 2012, 10:09:02 AM
Jesus you sound like my Grandpa. Are you my Grandpa?
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Post by: Jack Nastyface on March 07, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
Just finished reading "A Dawn Like Thunder" - the true story of Torpedo 8.  Details the experience of the T8 pilots and crew who flew devastators and avengers versus the Japanese at Midway and later from Guadalcanal.  Excellent read...and thinking of doing a mini-review for this site.

Prior to this, also read Thunder Run.  A very compelling read albeit makes one wonder about the carnage wrought upon the Iraqi's, basically at their own behest.

Currently reading "Seize the Fire" which is so far providing a highly Pro-Nelsonian view of the Battle of Trafalgar.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on March 07, 2012, 01:10:40 PM
At Bison's recommendation I'm reading Steven Saylor's series of a Roman detective, starting with Roman Blood. Put it down to historical fiction, it's good stuff.

Glad to see you are enjoying the series too.  They are a great light, quick read.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on March 07, 2012, 01:30:43 PM
At Bison's recommendation I'm reading Steven Saylor's series of a Roman detective, starting with Roman Blood. Put it down to historical fiction, it's good stuff.

Glad to see you are enjoying the series too.  They are a great light, quick read.

Yeah, they're a good way to unwind in the evening.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Centurion40 on March 07, 2012, 01:46:18 PM
I am reading this thread.  Ok, I can't lie, I've skimmed it.  ;)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on March 07, 2012, 02:32:54 PM
I am reading this thread.  Ok, I can't lie, I've skimmed it.  ;)

Next thing we know you'll be bragging about your French ties.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MIGMaster on March 07, 2012, 03:41:31 PM
Yes Gus ,

 It's true  I'm your Dark Grandpa

(http://badassoftheweek.com/vader2.jpg)
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Post by: Centurion40 on March 07, 2012, 03:43:31 PM
Darth Pepsico.
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Post by: Bayonet_Chris on March 08, 2012, 03:15:58 PM
I'm in the middle of a couple of things and I have some books in a queue (eBook) for my upcoming trip to Hong Kong and China.

When Christ and His Saints Slept (Sharon Kay Penman)
Conan of Cimmeria (Robert E. Howard)
The Hunger Games Trilogy (Suzanne Collins)
Leopard Moon (a friend of mine, Jeanette Battista, wrote this)

I'm not sure if I have anything lined up after that.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 09, 2012, 04:47:56 AM
Am taking a small break from the Hornblower books to read Scott Turow's Presumed Innocent.  I only read it once before about 15 years ago, so it'll be interesting to see how much I enjoy it after all this time. 




When Christ and His Saints Slept (Sharon Kay Penman)
The Hunger Games Trilogy (Suzanne Collins)

I'd be curious to hear your take on these two. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on March 09, 2012, 07:19:28 AM
Hunger Games is the new Harry Potter.

My kids read it. Then my wife read it. Then my wife started loaning our copies out to friends for them to read - much to the aggravation of our kids as they are trying to re-read the books (multiple times to get all the facts in their heads straight) before the movie comes out in two weeks.

I have heard nothing but praise for Hunger Games. I'm avoiding them right now principally because I'm a grumpy grog with too little time to assemble and paint minis and I already have plenty of guilty pleasures.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on March 09, 2012, 08:05:00 AM
My wife read them, and then made me read them.  They are quick easy reads as they are targeted to the teen demographic.  The first and second books were alright but there third I did not care for.

The concept and setting of the book, a post-apocalyptic former America was very interesting and had potential.  I even liked the idea of the 'Hunger Games' themselves.  However, the tween drama was a bit ridiculous especially in the second and third book.  There is some criticism of the books being a rip off of the novel 'Battle Royal' but the author claims to never have heard of it before writing the Hunger Games.

In the end if you read them or see the movie you probably can count that as family time and being a good Dad. :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on March 09, 2012, 08:30:20 AM
In the end if you read them or see the movie you probably can count that as family time and being a good Dad. :)

One of the reasons I am able to help run this place (humble as it is) is because I work from home and get plenty of Dad time. As much as they've chatted up the series, I'm sure I'll see the movie - either in theaters or when we inevitably buy it on DVD.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bayonet_Chris on March 09, 2012, 02:13:12 PM
Am taking a small break from the Hornblower books to read Scott Turow's Presumed Innocent.  I only read it once before about 15 years ago, so it'll be interesting to see how much I enjoy it after all this time. 

When Christ and His Saints Slept (Sharon Kay Penman)
The Hunger Games Trilogy (Suzanne Collins)

I'd be curious to hear your take on these two.

I really enjoy Penman's stuff in general.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Keunert on March 09, 2012, 02:38:23 PM
Stig Larsson, the trilogy that is the base of The gril with the dragon tattoo. oh my good i love this mara rooney lesbian look.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 10, 2012, 12:56:16 PM
The Wife also passed me along The Hunger Games trilogy...I was going to read them while playing Fallout: New Vegas. Not so much, according to you guys? Are they tweenie, girlie reads?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: republic on March 10, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
I'm kind of an A.D.D. reader.  I'm currently in the middle of:


Those are the ones I'm reading on regularly, I just sortof swap off day by day to keep them fresh.  I have an even bigger list of 'to read' book that I've collected over the past couple months.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on March 10, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
The Wife also passed me along The Hunger Games trilogy...I was going to read them while playing Fallout: New Vegas. Not so much, according to you guys? Are they tweenie, girlie reads?

I wouldn't call them girlie reads.  There is a bit of the tweenie drama in the first and second and more so in the third book.  However, the drama is only in spots and it moves on fast enough that you don't dwell on it to long.  If you like post apocalyptic settings its an interesting read.  Plus it is a fairly quick read so as long as you have an average reading ability it won't waste alot of your time if you don't end up liking it.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Steelgrave on March 10, 2012, 05:38:29 PM
I'm wrapping up book two of Joe Abercrombie's superb "The First Law" trilogy. Very, very well done!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 10, 2012, 08:18:35 PM
Thanks SCDJ...I mean, CommandTent.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 11, 2012, 01:11:18 PM
I'm kind of an A.D.D. reader.  I'm currently in the middle of:

  • Eye of the World - Robert Jordan (Friend has begged me to read this series for awhile)


Fair warning:  Some folks find the pacing of Eye of the World to be rather...glacial.  I personally didn't have that problem, but I know a number of folks (including those who are fans of the series) have said they found the first book to be among the slowest. 


Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on March 11, 2012, 01:35:53 PM
I'm kind of an A.D.D. reader.  I'm currently in the middle of:

  • Eye of the World - Robert Jordan (Friend has begged me to read this series for awhile)


Fair warning:  Some folks find the pacing of Eye of the World to be rather...glacial.  I personally didn't have that problem, but I know a number of folks (including those who are fans of the series) have said they found the first book to be among the slowest.

I read this book and came away thinking along the same lines and have not read another book in the series since.  Should I give the next book a try?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 11, 2012, 01:45:29 PM
I'm kind of an A.D.D. reader.  I'm currently in the middle of:

  • Eye of the World - Robert Jordan (Friend has begged me to read this series for awhile)


Fair warning:  Some folks find the pacing of Eye of the World to be rather...glacial.  I personally didn't have that problem, but I know a number of folks (including those who are fans of the series) have said they found the first book to be among the slowest.

I read this book and came away thinking along the same lines and have not read another book in the series since.  Should I give the next book a try?

I would, yes.  EotW (sadly) isn't a very good introduction to the series. 

Now if The Great Hunt (the second book) doesn't grab you, *then* I would go ahead and walk away. 


Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MIGMaster on March 11, 2012, 02:17:38 PM
Are any of the Warhammer books available in e-book format ?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 11, 2012, 02:44:22 PM
^A lot are, check out Black Library. Speaking of which, once I am done with my current Chinese history book (Qing) I am going to crack open the new WH title Luther Huss...takes place not in WH40K but in the ancient WH universe. It's a tale about a witch hunter and I'm almost certain that all new releases from Black Library are also released as digital books. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MIGMaster on March 11, 2012, 03:12:43 PM
Thanks for sharing Gus - "Knowledge is power, guard it well."
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Post by: TheCommandTent on March 11, 2012, 03:14:41 PM
I'm kind of an A.D.D. reader.  I'm currently in the middle of:

  • Eye of the World - Robert Jordan (Friend has begged me to read this series for awhile)


Fair warning:  Some folks find the pacing of Eye of the World to be rather...glacial.  I personally didn't have that problem, but I know a number of folks (including those who are fans of the series) have said they found the first book to be among the slowest.

I read this book and came away thinking along the same lines and have not read another book in the series since.  Should I give the next book a try?

I would, yes.  EotW (sadly) isn't a very good introduction to the series. 

Now if The Great Hunt (the second book) doesn't grab you, *then* I would go ahead and walk away.

Thanks!  I'll see if my local library has them.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on March 11, 2012, 03:14:52 PM
For a while Black Library even offered a few ebooks for free. I'm not sure why or for how long (or if still available) but check their site.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: republic on March 11, 2012, 03:36:51 PM
Fair warning:  Some folks find the pacing of Eye of the World to be rather...glacial.  I personally didn't have that problem, but I know a number of folks (including those who are fans of the series) have said they found the first book to be among the slowest.

Its not too bad.  Its slower than I would like, but nowhere near as bad as Peter F Hamilton's work.  I just barely made it through Pandora's Star and have yet to finish its sequel Judas Unchained.
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Post by: Gusington on March 13, 2012, 09:18:37 AM
Migs: I also got notification that a new title called 'Phalanx' has been shipped...it's a WH40K April 2012 release. Black Library has some fantastic stuff. I could spend 1000s there and I've only been into WH40K for a few months!
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Post by: MIGMaster on March 13, 2012, 10:03:35 AM
Good to know Gus ! I may need to knock over a liquor store this weekend - if you wanta come up I'll cut ya in !
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Post by: Gusington on March 13, 2012, 10:30:11 AM
Sounds like my dog could be useful to you...we'll be up Thursday.
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Post by: besilarius on March 13, 2012, 06:51:35 PM
Saw the new version of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy recently.
That got me to re reading Anthony Price's series of spy novels.
I always liked his work more than LeCarre's.  His people are more understandable to me, and his central character is nowhere so opaque and calculating as George Smiley.
The other thing I like about the series is all of the historical tidbits, Price includes.  The main character is both a spycatcher as well as a history dean.  So, many of the stories get odd boosts from historical factors.  The main Soviet nemesis is aware of the weakness of David Audley for historical coincidences.
If you like spy fiction, I really like Price and would recommend his series to wargamers. 
His first two books were a little weak, as his writing improved the books got better.  If you are interested, I'd recommend October Men or War Game as good ones to begin with.
For anyone reading the Hornblower series, Price's book, Eyes of the Fleet, is a historical study of frigates, and their captains, during the Napoleonic Wars.  Excellent read.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 13, 2012, 08:10:49 PM
I just bought Taiko used from Amazon. It's a 1000 page English translation about the Japanese Age of the Country at War...the era that the Shogun games cover.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: spelk on March 14, 2012, 04:24:00 AM
Now reading (listening to) A Clash of Kings, in readiness for A Game of Thrones Season 2 coming real soon now. Put me in a mind to play Crusader Kings II over the Game of Thrones RTS game though.
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Post by: Gusington on March 14, 2012, 08:26:41 AM
^April 1st the new Game of Thrones season begins!!
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Post by: Bayonet_Chris on March 14, 2012, 11:23:38 AM
^ Woot! So excited!

I also just downloaded "The Lies of Locke Lamora" for the trans-Pacific flight. I should have plenty to read.

Right now, my list is:
* When Christ and his Saints Slept
* Leopard Moon (my friend's book)
* The Hunger Games trilogy
* The Lies of Locke Lamora

Too bad Cold Days (next Dresden book) isn't out yet.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Jack Nastyface on March 19, 2012, 09:24:06 PM
Any one read any of the Matthew Hervey books?  Any recommendations or detractions?

http://www.booksattransworld.co.uk/allanmallinson/website/books.shtml
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Post by: Arctic Blast on March 19, 2012, 10:07:15 PM
Well, about to read The Hunger Games. Will let you know how it is.
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Post by: LongBlade on March 20, 2012, 07:03:13 AM
Well, about to read The Hunger Games. Will let you know how it is.

The wife and kids rave about it. I'm holding off mostly because it's their thing.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Barthheart on March 20, 2012, 07:33:07 AM
I'm presently half way through Titan, the second book of Stephen Baxter's NASA Trilogy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Trilogy

It's a good series so far. Hard science SciFi. Really neat concepts on alternate timelines of NASA based on different political environments and incidents.
Really gives NASA the gears for being a political tool rather than a scientific body.
Makes me sad about what human space travel could/should have been....
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Post by: Gusington on March 20, 2012, 08:56:07 AM
Halfway through Luthor Huss, a Warhammer title (my first). Luthor is a witch hunter in a very dark, German-inspired world. Bloody, supernatural action, good to read while playing something like Skyrim. It will probably take me less than a week to finish it.
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Post by: LongBlade on March 20, 2012, 09:59:39 AM
I have come to enjoy the WH fantasy titles more than the 40K ones. Space Marines are usually so over-the-top that, while fun, it's difficult to relate to.

The fantasy writing is grounded. Though fantasy, the weakness of characters seem more real.
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Post by: Gusington on March 20, 2012, 11:50:54 AM
^Got any other recommendations? I am really enjoying Luthor Huss. Would love to get more. Anything involving witchcraft, demons, ghosts and goblins of course is welcomed.
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Post by: LongBlade on March 20, 2012, 12:18:57 PM
^Got any other recommendations? I am really enjoying Luthor Huss. Would love to get more. Anything involving witchcraft, demons, ghosts and goblins of course is welcomed.

Sure, if you're into vampires, the Ulrika series is good. Blood Born is perhaps a little better than Bloodforged, but both are good.

I wouldn't recommend the Vampire Wars - it's more history than entertainment (particularly if you play Vampire Counts as a faction) - but just as you start to like them the author reminds you that they really are evil. Interesting read, but not entertaining in a traditional sense of the good guy winning at the end.

Brunner is very good. You will want to read that.

Warrior Priest was also really good.
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Post by: Gusington on March 20, 2012, 12:24:17 PM
^Awesome thank you. I do love me some vampires. Will be reading Abe Lincoln: Vampire Hunter soon on Steelie's recommendation.

I do agree with what you posted above about the Warhammer world. It is very well written stuff, like WH40K, but has that little something extra to make it almost believable. Not sure what it is.

As a related aside...also playing as a vampire in Skyrim but the benefits do not outweigh the whole world hating you so I am converting back. Going to try out the werewolf after that.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 21, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
You love vampires?  Even sparkly ones? i knew it!

I'm reading Ghouls of the Miskatonic.  Just started it so no impressions yet.
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Post by: Gusington on March 21, 2012, 02:30:29 PM
Twilight is not a vampire story. It's a girly love thing with vampires in it.
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Post by: LongBlade on March 21, 2012, 02:46:34 PM
Twilight is not a vampire story. It's a girly love thing with vampires in it.

The "vampires" are all sparkly. Most DMs would call them "fairies."

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Post by: Gusington on March 21, 2012, 02:51:20 PM
^Once again my ignorance of things Twilight is blissful.
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Post by: Keunert on March 21, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
as the enlightened persona that i am i have to facepalm you lot. you read the literary equivalent of a double cheeseburger with mayonnaise. i hate to ruin your day as i am feeling some strange sentiments towards most guys here, i would call it affection. but some of you guys are rather old so it may be an idea to skip the space marine vampires of death thrash and start reading some literature.

good luck
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on March 21, 2012, 05:18:04 PM
as the enlightened persona that i am i have to facepalm you lot. you read the literary equivalent of a double cheeseburger with mayonnaise. i hate to ruin your day as i am feeling some strange sentiments towards most guys here, i would call it affection. but some of you guys are rather old so it may be an idea to skip the space marine vampires of death thrash and start reading some literature.

good luck

You would sound a lot more sincere if your other four browser tabs weren't open to various pr0n sites.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 21, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/bogaty/sparkley.jpg)
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Post by: Keunert on March 21, 2012, 05:31:58 PM
you besterly start with Theodor Fontane's masterpiece 'Effi Briest' 1894.
the main character is a girl and her love!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effi_Briest
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 21, 2012, 05:37:48 PM
Are they sparkley?
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Post by: Barthheart on March 21, 2012, 05:42:20 PM
you besterly start with Theodor Fontane's masterpiece 'Effi Briest' 1894.
the main character is a girl and her love!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effi_Briest

Not enough lasers.......
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bayonet_Chris on March 30, 2012, 12:47:26 AM
So, I got a lot of reading done on my vacation so far.

When Christ and his Saints slept was very good, especially the latter half that deals with the rise of Henry II and Eleanore of Aquitaine. This is a long book though, so be warned.

The Hunger Games trilogy was good, but not great. I thought the main character (Katniss) was a bit dim, but the overall distopian setting was cool. Actually caught the movie the other night, which I enjoyed. It's definitely good enough to check out, as it's a very quick read. Any YA books will be.

Leopard Moon was my friend's book, and she's very talented. It's not my usual genre (modern paranormal) but it was well executed. Don't know if it would match your tastes, but I liked it.

The Lies of Locke Lamora was outstanding. The narrative jumps back and forth a bit, but the dialog is tight and it is at times laugh-out-loud funny. It's fantasy, but a bit more sophisticated. The story centers around a tight cadre of thieves in a large city. Good stuff. I'm already reading his second book of the series, "Red Seas Under Red Skies".

I might read Mistborn as well between now and the flight home. I expect to be done with the second Locke Lamora book by Saturday.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 30, 2012, 05:23:06 AM

I might read Mistborn as well between now and the flight home.

You referring to the first book in the Mistborn trilogy by Sanderson? 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 03, 2012, 12:59:36 PM
I just bought this edition of War of the Worlds: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0688131379/ref=ox_ya_os_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0688131379/ref=ox_ya_os_product)
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Post by: bob48 on April 03, 2012, 03:27:03 PM
Paycheck in, so a quick visit to amazon.....

Just ordered the following goodies,

'Surface Detail' by Iain M Banks

"Colossal Cracks: Montgomery's 21st Army Group in Northwest Europe, 1944-45 (Stackpole Military History)"

and Shogun 2. (I'll add FotS later).

All for just over 16 quid including postage - now I call that a bargain.

Me happy :-)
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Post by: Gusington on April 04, 2012, 09:30:40 AM
I got an email from Amazon today (after yesterday's purchase) that the physical copy of Diablo III is now available for pre-order. So I did so. And threw in the Diablo III companion book and one other ghost story (Apartment 16) I've been wanting to read forever. So this weeks total at Amazon: 125.00. Ouch.

And to think I was just reminiscing 'hey I haven't bought anything at Amazon for a few weeks.' It's like they have a direct line into my brain. Damn them.
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Post by: W8taminute on April 04, 2012, 11:40:48 AM
I'm reading the third novel in the Horus Heresy series.

Galaxy In Flames by Ben Counter.  I'm devouring these books at a rate I have never been able to accomplish before in my life.  These books are that good.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 04, 2012, 12:59:51 PM
I want to start the Horus series too. Just so many waking hours in then day.
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Post by: Martok on April 05, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
When I go to visit my friends in St. Cloud tomorrow, on my way up I'm stopping at B&N to grab a copy of A Rising Thunder (the new Honor Harrington novel) by David Weber.  Giggity! 


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Post by: Fetrik on April 06, 2012, 02:27:01 PM
I just finished reading A Dance of Dragons (song of fire and ice 5). I had sort of dreaded reading the book because the book wasn't highly rated on Amazon. But to me (tilt included) it was a 4,5 star book. Since it was a few years since i read it  i just started re-reading book 4.

After that i got a bunch of books lying on my sofa, 5 Warhammer books and a few boks from Elizabeth Moon in the successor to her Paksennarion series and a couple of WWII books.
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Post by: DoctorQuest on April 06, 2012, 02:33:56 PM
Over the last few years I've been collecting the Time/Life series "Epic of Flight." They are 30+ years old now but are still a good source for aviation history.

I recently found three volumes on sale used at my local library for 25 cents each. A good deal I would say. I'm working my way through:

The Aeronauts
First Aviators
Soldiers of Fortune (A very interesting history of mercenary pilots)

I'm going back to this library.......:)
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Post by: Gusington on April 08, 2012, 02:40:37 PM
Aeronauts? Sounds steampunk-esque.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 08, 2012, 03:01:15 PM
Decided to switch up from my usual genres of historical fiction and history and started reading the first SF series I've picked up in years.  Finished The Old Man's War last week and rather enjoyed it.  Not exactly the deepest book but I found it entertaining.  I should check and see if this book or Avatar came out first as one borrowed from the other.  I picked up the second book in the series, The Ghost Brigades and I'm enjoying that one too.
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Post by: Staggerwing on April 08, 2012, 03:15:24 PM
Decided to switch up from my usual genres of historical fiction and history and started reading the first SF series I've picked up in years.  Finished The Old Man's War last week and rather enjoyed it.  Not exactly the deepest book but I found it entertaining.  I should check and see if this book or Avatar came out first as one borrowed from the other.  I picked up the second book in the series, The Ghost Brigades and I'm enjoying that one too.

I read Old Man's War last month and I, too, liked it. I'm planning on getting Ghost Brigades after I finish a few other books.
Scalzi's book came out in 2005 so before the Avatar the movie. BTW, OM'sW has been bought by Paramount for a movie
project as well With Wolfgang Peterson as director.
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Post by: OJsDad on April 09, 2012, 05:50:01 PM
I just started to read, When the Devil Dances by John Ringo, but I cannot get into.  I liked the first two books, but just cannot get into this one.  I think it's because the main character is the only one with a brain and everyone else would be dead without him, everyone being the entire population of Earth. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on April 09, 2012, 06:57:58 PM
I have a very large list of book that I have started but not finished reading lately, but the group I am sticking with for now are:

With Fire and Sword by Henryk Siekiewicz: http://www.amazon.com/Sword-Historical-Poland-Russia-ebook/dp/B005HKK7UG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1334018894&sr=8-2

I got this for free for my Kindle and I am really surprised that I am sticking with it.  The beginning of the book was tough to get through but I had a feeling there was a good story in there so I bulled through.  I'm approaching 50% complete now and the story is really picking up so I think there is a good chance that I will finish it.  I would give this book one solid thumbs up- definitely not for everybody, but I would guess that a significant number of forumites here would groove on it.  It's very violent.

The Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights by John Steinbeck: http://www.amazon.com/Acts-Arthur-Noble-Knights-ebook/dp/B001MSMUHA/ref=sr_1_9?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1334019127&sr=1-9

I'm still searching for my own personal holy grail of King Arthur lore.  I started reading Malory figuring it was a good idea to start with the classic, but then I came across this version at the library on base the other day.  It's a very easy read.  I'm not really enjoying it too much.  The stories don't have much meat to them.  I will finish it because I want the background info for my Pendragon campaign, but I will definitely be looking for better historical KA fiction in the future.

Shadowmarch by Tad Williams: http://www.amazon.com/Shadowmarch-Volume-I-Tad-Williams/dp/0756402700/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

This book isn't horrible.  I'm 80% done.  I started it quite a while ago, got distracted for a few weeks, and am now returning to it.  It's interesting.  I am not sure if I'm going to continue through the whole trilogy.  I think I will finish this one and give the second book about 50 pages.  If it grabs me I'll stick with it; if not, I'm going to move on to The Sword of Shanara trilogy, which I have sitting on my desk ready to go.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 16, 2012, 01:00:20 PM
Deep into 'Surface Detail' now - I just love the Culture books.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 16, 2012, 01:09:56 PM
I'm about to start reading an illustrated version of War of the Worlds.
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Post by: mirth on April 16, 2012, 02:03:05 PM
^Cool. One of my all time favorites.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on April 16, 2012, 06:28:50 PM
Finally finished reading through the core book for Black Crusade. Still in a 40K mood, so I think I'll hop back in to the Horus Heresy series and start on Galaxy in Flames.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MIGMaster on April 16, 2012, 07:23:34 PM
How many books do you guys read (and finish) a month ??? I average about 4.....
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Post by: TheCommandTent on April 16, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
How many books do you guys read (and finish) a month ??? I average about 4.....

You are doing better then me.  I have always been a slow reader.  So I usually get in about 1 book and a couple magazines a month... maybe.  But I usually only read in the evenings before I fall asleep.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 16, 2012, 11:56:06 PM
I recently switched from working straight days back to shift work (I guess I'm weird, but I love shift work.  And I get a week off every month).  On nights, as long as nothing goes haywire, I can get the majority of my work done about 4-6 hours into my 12 hour shift.  That leaves lots of time for reading while waiting for alarms to pop up so I'm averaging about 5-7 books a month.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on April 17, 2012, 04:18:49 AM
  That leaves lots of time for reading while waiting for alarms to pop up so I'm averaging about 5-7 books a month.

You work at the Springfield Nuclear Powerplant? How are those two Fissionator 1952 Slow-Fission Reactors holding out? Still leaky?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 17, 2012, 08:52:13 AM
SDR PLEASE let me know if there are any openings!

Even with more time to read on the commute, I still average 1-2 books a month because I pass out asleep most of the time. If they are easy reads, like War of the Worlds or Abe Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, I can get in 4-5 month.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MIGMaster on April 17, 2012, 08:58:36 AM
Quote
Even with more time to read on the commute

I take it that you don't drive to work - at least on your own  :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 17, 2012, 09:05:50 AM
I used to car pool at my old job. Now it's a 75 minute train ride. As well as a 10 minute car ride, 10 minute ferry ride, and 20 minute walk.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Barthheart on April 17, 2012, 09:18:06 AM
I used to car pool at my old job. Now it's a 75 minute train ride. As well as a 10 minute car ride, 10 minute ferry ride, and 20 minute walk.

Wholly crap! Each way?!? Man half yer life is passin by just commuting......
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MIGMaster on April 17, 2012, 09:44:54 AM
Once they devise a transporter unit imagine all the free time people will have.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on April 17, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
Once they devise a transporter unit imagine all the free time people will have.

IIRC that's what they said about computers. And cars. And airplanes. And telephones...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 17, 2012, 10:09:02 AM
I spend 25 hours per week commuting. At my old job it was 10 hours per week. It's the price I pay to live in the woods and work in the city.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 17, 2012, 05:01:54 PM
We have 3 openings Gus.  Two are almost guaranteed to go to our two temp staff, but the third is still open.  Of course, you'd have to move to Vancouver where 1200 sq ft crack shacks sell for $1 mill+ and every single thing you buy is taxed at 12%.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 17, 2012, 08:21:44 PM
Take the quiz!

http://www.crackshackormansion.com/ (http://www.crackshackormansion.com/)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on April 17, 2012, 09:49:14 PM
How many books do you guys read (and finish) a month ??? I average about 4.....

I normally go through about a book a year, but this year has been insane. I don't know why, but I'm flying through books every time I sit down to read. I track my reading on Goodreads. My goal for the year was 50 books. When I finish Galaxy in Flames, I'll already be through 25.  :o
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MIGMaster on April 18, 2012, 06:08:47 AM
Whoah - you are well ahead of schedule ! I better get my ass in gear !
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Post by: Gusington on April 18, 2012, 08:37:22 AM
Tempting SDR. But I am already being taxed to death in New York. Perhaps I can shack up with you and send the money home?

Crack Shack or Mansion rules btw. I got 12 of 16 correct. Perhaps I should just set up shop in Vancouver as a realtor?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on April 18, 2012, 08:44:57 AM
Tempting SDR. But I am already being taxed to death in New York. Perhaps I can shack up with you and send the money home?

Puh-lease. You are not "being taxed to death."

You're spreading the wealth around.

Get with the program.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 18, 2012, 08:47:34 AM
I don't like this program.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MIGMaster on April 18, 2012, 10:33:02 PM
I just started reading On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. Very interesting so far.....
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Pinetree on April 19, 2012, 04:25:41 AM
Once they devise a transporter unit imagine all the free time people will have.

IIRC that's what they said about computers. And cars. And airplanes. And telephones...

Yeap, the bastards will just pile more work on.

I've started A Dance with Dragons having just gone through books 1-4. I'm really enjoying it so far.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 19, 2012, 09:14:25 AM
Anyone here read The Rook by Dan O'Malley? Sounds awesome:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316098795/ref=gno_cart_title_1
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Post by: Arctic Blast on April 19, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
Okay, I not only read Galaxy in Flames, I also plowed through the 2nd game in the Hunger Games trilogy. Galaxy was excellent. From what I understand, it ends the sort of 3 book intro arc, and from here on in each book is more of an individual story within the whole of the Heresy. And I actually liked Catching Fire more than Hunger Games, which I thought was okay.

Next up is the 3rd and final book in the Guillermo Del Toro/Chuck Hogan vampire trilogy, The Night Eternal. After that, I might start checking out the source book for the Outbreak Undead RPG...but I also have a lot of board game rulebooks I need to start going through.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 19, 2012, 08:08:31 PM
I'm going to start reading Hunger Games in about 5 minutes!
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Post by: Bison on April 19, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
I'm going to start reading Hunger Games in about 5 minutes!

Reading any other tweeny books? 
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Post by: LongBlade on April 20, 2012, 08:11:47 AM
I'm going to start reading Hunger Games in about 5 minutes!

Reading any other tweeny books?

For a while I was reading the Ranger's Apprentice series. I stopped reading after about book seven because I found I was buying the dang hardbacks at $20 because I couldn't wait for the paperbacks.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 20, 2012, 08:42:53 AM
OK so I'm about 50 pages into Hunger Games. It's aight. Waiting for my earth to be shattered by it. The Wife recommended it to me and she usually has very different taste in entertainment than I do. At a minimum all three books will not take very long to read.
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Post by: DoctorQuest on April 20, 2012, 03:26:48 PM
I picked up a used copy of "Flight of the Intruder" for 50 cents. Great airplane reading for my biz trip.
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Post by: bob48 on April 20, 2012, 04:03:57 PM
I picked up a used copy of "Flight of the Intruder" for 50 cents. Great airplane reading for my biz trip.

Great book, made me go looking for A6 downloads for FS9
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Post by: DoctorQuest on April 20, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
I picked up a used copy of "Flight of the Intruder" for 50 cents. Great airplane reading for my biz trip.

Great book, made me go looking for A6 downloads for FS9

Strike Fighters 2: Vietnam with a cockpit mod from combatace.com.  8)

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on April 21, 2012, 04:17:29 PM
And I'm done The Night Eternal. I really enjoyed this trilogy. Equal parts horror, medical thriller, character drama and alternate ancient/biblical history. Really, really well done.

Next up...hmmm...I've got 3 Space Marine omnibus collections to read : Ultramarines, Soul Drinkers and the second Blood Angels. Either one of those or a book about the insanity of ad agencies in the 70's that was apparently a source book for Mad Men. The title of the book is an actual slogan that was proposed for Panasonic in the 60's. Japanese electronics sold like hot cakes, but people didn't realize Panasonic was a Japanese company because their name doesn't sound particularly Japanese. So the suggested tag line to remind people of the company's heritage was :

From the People Who Brought You Pearl Harbor.
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on April 22, 2012, 12:03:33 PM
Currently reading the Soviet-Afghan War, a translation of the Soviet general staff study on their excursion in Afghanistan.  Also reading The Malakand Field Force by Winston Churchill about his intereactions with Afghanistan.  Got that one and a few other works by Chruchill for free on kindle.  Interesting how little has changed over there in the last century.

Been thinking about picking up the Game of Thrones series as my escape reading now that I've finished A Rising Thunder.  I haven't watched the HBO series but seems like the books have quite a following around here.  Thoughts?
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Post by: Gusington on April 23, 2012, 09:12:52 AM
^ I read the first book in the series and liked it a lot. Big fan of the HBO series too. Are there print copies available of The Malakand Field Force?

Also, Bison is right. I am finding Hunger Games to be quite girly. Think I'll skip the 2nd and 3rd books. The story is just not grabbing me the way I like to be grabbed and the story reminds me way too much of Stephen King's The Running Man (and the movie).

Onward and upward!
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Post by: W8taminute on April 24, 2012, 02:27:32 PM
Here's what I'm currently reading....

(http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/Flight-of-the-Eisenstein.jpg)
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Post by: LongBlade on April 24, 2012, 02:35:00 PM
Great book, W8. That's when the story kicks into hyperspace.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 24, 2012, 02:45:36 PM
I'm reading War of the Dragon Lady

(http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n77/n389655.jpg)

It's the 8th book in a series about a late Victorian era officer and his Welsh batman.  It's not the best series, but I enjoy the time period so I like the books. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: W8taminute on April 24, 2012, 04:57:16 PM
Great book, W8. That's when the story kicks into hyperspace.

I hear you.  I'm half way through now.  I think the whole series so far does an outstanding job illuminating the reader on just how heartbreaking and gut wrenching Horus's treachery is.  I still can't decide if I want to hate or feel sorry for Horus.  I definitely feel bad for the characters that were betrayed. 
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Post by: spelk on April 24, 2012, 05:10:39 PM
Currently going through this one, Too Few Too Far (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Too-Few-Far-Marine-Commando/dp/1445606208/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335308938&sr=1-1) - Britains Modern Day Rorke's Drift, apparently.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51cZToL-AJL._SS500_.jpg)
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Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on April 25, 2012, 12:16:28 AM
The Architecture of Happiness
http://www.amazon.com/Architecture-Happiness-Vintage-Alain-Botton/dp/0307277240/ref=tag_stp_s2f_edpp_alain_15on (http://www.amazon.com/Architecture-Happiness-Vintage-Alain-Botton/dp/0307277240/ref=tag_stp_s2f_edpp_alain_15on)


Commander Data would like it.
Recommended.

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 25, 2012, 08:57:21 AM
I am about to start Donald Kagan's The Peloponnesian War to wash the girly taste of The Hunger Games out of my mouth.
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Post by: Keunert on April 25, 2012, 10:10:46 AM
Tropic of Capricorn by Henry Miller. No idea what this is nor what this Miller dude is about. But i like stories about animals.
1. Dogs
2. Capricorns
3. Unicorns
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Jack Nastyface on April 25, 2012, 03:46:52 PM
Tropic of Capricorn by Henry Miller. No idea what this is nor what this Miller dude is about. But i like stories about animals.
1. Dogs
2. Capricorns
3. Unicorns
Great book.  Lots of sex.  Didn't like "Cancer" as much.
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Post by: Bison on April 25, 2012, 05:40:33 PM
Advanced Squad Leader Starter Kit rulebook and LnL Band of Heroes rulebook. 
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Post by: Staggerwing on April 25, 2012, 06:06:02 PM
Advanced Squad Leader Starter Kit rulebook and LnL Band of Heroes rulebook.

Not much sex in those two... no special rules for utilizing Anias Nin.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on April 25, 2012, 06:13:53 PM
Probably going to jump in to Empire of Silver by Conn Iggulden. The first 3 books in the series were like a narrative history of Genghis Khan that seemed to follow pretty close to history. This one starts up a few years later, with one of Genghis' sons in place as the new Khan as the Mongols reach in to the West.
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Post by: Gusington on April 25, 2012, 06:47:48 PM
^I've been interested in those for a while. You enjoy them? I guess it's pretty obvious since you've already read 3 of them.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on April 25, 2012, 10:31:04 PM
^I've been interested in those for a while. You enjoy them? I guess it's pretty obvious since you've already read 3 of them.

Most definitely. Like I said, rather than being alternative historical fiction, this series could best be described as narrative fiction. A few liberties taken here and there, but it generally plays out the story of what is known (or suspected) to have happened.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on April 30, 2012, 08:07:12 PM
I'm kind of an A.D.D. reader.  I'm currently in the middle of:

  • Eye of the World - Robert Jordan (Friend has begged me to read this series for awhile)


Fair warning:  Some folks find the pacing of Eye of the World to be rather...glacial.  I personally didn't have that problem, but I know a number of folks (including those who are fans of the series) have said they found the first book to be among the slowest.

I read this book and came away thinking along the same lines and have not read another book in the series since.  Should I give the next book a try?

I would, yes.  EotW (sadly) isn't a very good introduction to the series. 

Now if The Great Hunt (the second book) doesn't grab you, *then* I would go ahead and walk away.

On the advice of Martok (several pages ago) I am starting the second book in The Wheel of Time series, The Great Hunt.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 30, 2012, 08:10:53 PM
Well I'm 100 pages in to Kagan's Peloponnesian War and it is lighter than expected, which is a good thing. I know nothing about Greek history and don't enjoy it as much as other areas because everything is so foreign sounding to me, but reading the book while playing Hegemony is at least keeping my interest up til Diablo III comes out.
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Post by: meadbelly on April 30, 2012, 08:40:16 PM
I'm on a Charles Stross kick right now. Just finished Saturday's Child and Accelerando. Am working on Iron Sunrise and will probably tackle Halting State or Glasshouses yet.

The guy is clearly good, and his imagined worlds are a nice change of pace from the usual "hard-sci-fi" stuff. (Not all of Stross is hard scifi. Accelerando/Iron Sunrise take place and are informed by hard scifi.) I want to like him, and I do in some places. But I couldn't get into the Family Trade, and I find he has an occasional penchant to go light hearted in places that break immersion for me.

The breadth and quality of his writing is definitely worth checking out for any scifi fan. If he wasn't american, he'd be the fourth Big Scot writing at the moment (the big three being Iain Banks, Ian Macdonald, and Ken Macleod. Macleod is worth reading alone for his exploration of anarchic capitalism and the apartment complex that established a MAD nuclear capability in order for independence. It has nothing to do with my letters to Kyrgistan, btw.)

Also recently finished Jon T. Williams' Implied Spaces. Spectacularly fun beginning. The rest of the novel doesn't pay off as well, but is nonetheless an entertaining read. And I just like the concept of Implied Spaces, frankly.

R. Scott Bakker continues to maintain the high quality of his second trilogy in the Prince of Nothing series, and I would put the work in a top 5 and possibly top 3 fantasy list. I think any fan of different-perspective fantasy literature should give this series a go. It's not easy, but it is tremendously rewarding. Sranc deserve a place in the pantheon right next to orcses.
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Post by: Martok on May 01, 2012, 12:13:06 AM
Well going on recommendations you guys made over at the old site a while back, I'm finally reading The First Man in Rome by Colleen McCullough.  Definitely a good read thus far. 





On the advice of Martok (several pages ago) I am starting the second book in The Wheel of Time series, The Great Hunt.

Good luck!  I hope you enjoy it. 

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Post by: MIGMaster on May 01, 2012, 05:42:50 AM
I was just thinking - it's probably a real good sign that so many of us can read !  ;)
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Post by: W8taminute on May 25, 2012, 06:00:41 PM
Having just finished Fulgrim I now move onto Descent of Angels. 

Fulgrim paints a picture of horror, treachery, despair, and the anguish associated with betrayal like no other book I've ever read.  So far of all the books I've read in the Horus Heresy series, Fulgrim illustrates just how wretched Horus's treachery is.  Before I read this book, I use to think those Chaos Marines are really cool in their funky armor, I really want to play them in Dawn of War II.  Now I realize just how monstrous Chaos really is.  I feel it is of utmost urgency that those loyal to the Emperor of Mankind triumph over Horus.  The galaxy is at stake. 

As you can tell I just finished Fulgrim and my mind is racing into overdrive over the series of calamitous events I read.  It's a terrible tragedy.  Will good triumph?  Is what we think good not so good after all.  I'm tortured and I can't stop reading this series. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on May 25, 2012, 06:24:21 PM
Within the rest of the WH3/4K multiverse, what are the titles, in some kind of thematic order, that comprise the Horus Heresy story arc? I'm thinking of starting up the series soon and I want to do it right.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on May 25, 2012, 07:47:37 PM


On the advice of Martok (several pages ago) I am starting the second book in The Wheel of Time series, The Great Hunt.

Good luck!  I hope you enjoy it.

I am almost done with The Great Hunt, I warned you I was a slow read with limited reading time :)

I have enjoyed it so much more then the first book.  I will be getting the next one out of the library when I finish this one.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: W8taminute on May 25, 2012, 07:50:00 PM
^Very good question.  A lot of people will tell you that the order doesn't matter, just pick up any book in the series but after reading the first 5 books I disagree with that philosophy.  Like you say do it right and start from the beginning.  Currently there are 23 books in the series from what I remember but I'll give you the first ten in order along with what my opinion of the authors' writing style for the book in question:


This should get you going.  I've found 3 of the books I read at used booksellers and the other two from Barnes and Noble.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on May 25, 2012, 07:59:14 PM
^Very good question.  A lot of people will tell you that the order doesn't matter, just pick up any book in the series but after reading the first 5 books I disagree with that philosophy.  Like you say do it right and start from the beginning.  Currently there are 23 books in the series from what I remember but I'll give you the first ten in order along with what my opinion of the authors' writing style for the book in question:

  • Horus Rising (Dan Abnett, very talented)
  • False Gods (Graham McNeill, talented)
  • Galaxy in Flames (Ben Counter, talented)
  • The Flight of the Eisenstein (James Swallow, talented)
  • Fulgrim (Graham McNeill, very talented in this book)
  • Descent of Angels (Mitchel Scanlon, have just started no opinion yet)
  • Legion (Dan Abnett)
  • Battle for the Abyss (Ben Counter)
  • Mechanicum (Graham McNeill)
  • Tales of Heresy (Nick Kyme and Lindsey Priestly)

This should get you going.  I've found 3 of the books I read at used booksellers and the other two from Barnes and Noble.

Thanks, W8t. Chrono is the way to go. I'll start scouting for used copies forthwith.   :)
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Post by: bob48 on May 26, 2012, 07:14:04 AM
Retreat to the Reich.
Player of Games (Iain M Banks - Culture)
Deceiver (C J Cherryh - Foreigner series)
Irelands Narrow Gauge Railways.
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Post by: undercovergeek on May 26, 2012, 07:22:58 AM
^Very good question.  A lot of people will tell you that the order doesn't matter, just pick up any book in the series but after reading the first 5 books I disagree with that philosophy.  Like you say do it right and start from the beginning.  Currently there are 23 books in the series from what I remember but I'll give you the first ten in order along with what my opinion of the authors' writing style for the book in question:

  • Horus Rising (Dan Abnett, very talented)
  • False Gods (Graham McNeill, talented)
  • Galaxy in Flames (Ben Counter, talented)
  • The Flight of the Eisenstein (James Swallow, talented)
  • Fulgrim (Graham McNeill, very talented in this book)
  • Descent of Angels (Mitchel Scanlon, have just started no opinion yet)
  • Legion (Dan Abnett)
  • Battle for the Abyss (Ben Counter)
  • Mechanicum (Graham McNeill)
  • Tales of Heresy (Nick Kyme and Lindsey Priestly)

This should get you going.  I've found 3 of the books I read at used booksellers and the other two from Barnes and Noble.

its not that it isnt a great book, but i found after the trauma of fulgrim that i had difficulty with descent of angels - its just so far removed from fulgrim that it took a while to adjust to the new tale
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Post by: W8taminute on May 26, 2012, 08:19:07 AM

its not that it isnt a great book, but i found after the trauma of fulgrim that i had difficulty with descent of angels - its just so far removed from fulgrim that it took a while to adjust to the new tale


That is one thing I noticed with the first 4 books.  The stories begin in a manner as to seem to have nothing to do with anything, but as the reader advances through a particular book the backstory starts to tie in.  That seems to be how they're writing this series. 

I've read only the prologue of Book 6 and read the negative reviews online.  You are not alone in your feelings.  I still need to dive in further before making a comment, but so far I believe what they're trying to do is give the backstory of Lion El'Johnson and the planet he was deposited on.  Remember what happened in Fulgrim, the book before Descent of Angels?  Horus's plans are starting to advance now, and a lot of the players have not made it.  To fill in the void of characters, we must learn of what happened to the other Primarchs when they were scattered across the galaxy at birth.  If that is the intent, I get it and I don't understand why the WH40K fans who had difficulty with Descent of Angels don't.
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Post by: Martok on May 26, 2012, 10:25:59 AM
Am currently halfway through (re)reading The Last Kingdom, the first book in Bernard Cornwell's "Saxon Tales" series.  After I finish that one, I'll be finally starting How Firm a Foundation, the fifth novel in David Weber's "Safehold" series. 






I am almost done with The Great Hunt, I warned you I was a slow read with limited reading time :)

I have enjoyed it so much more then the first book.  I will be getting the next one out of the library when I finish this one.

Sweet!  I'm glad you're liking it.  :) 

Now you know what I mean when I talked about it being a much better representation of the series than Eye of the World, and how there's a world of difference between the two.  The first novel acts more like a massive introduction to the characters and the world, whereas the second one consists of actual, ya know...story.  ::) 


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Post by: Arctic Blast on May 26, 2012, 02:04:44 PM
Ripped through the Marvel Heroic Roleplaying core book, At the Mountains of Madness and the third and last Hunger Games book in about a week and a half. Now I'm on to Unholy Night (some sort of an alternate take on the Three Wise Men).
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Post by: Gusington on May 26, 2012, 04:57:28 PM
^How do you read so fast? You some kinda "jenius"?
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Post by: Arctic Blast on May 27, 2012, 05:20:49 PM
^How do you read so fast? You some kinda "jenius"?

Yes. Yes I am.

Or something.
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Post by: Gusington on May 27, 2012, 07:45:00 PM
Impressive. With my hellish long commute I now tear through 400-500 pages every couple of weeks and I am happy with that. That has also led me to purchase more titles.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on May 27, 2012, 10:20:03 PM
Impressive. With my hellish long commute I now tear through 400-500 pages every couple of weeks and I am happy with that. That has also led me to purchase more titles.

Well, the three that I mentioned aren't massive. I think the Marvel book was about 200 pages, Mountains of Madness is barely over 100 and the Hunger Games trilogy is not exactly word packed.  ;D
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Post by: MIGMaster on May 28, 2012, 06:04:15 AM
I like the books you can color  ;)
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Post by: Gusington on May 28, 2012, 11:11:43 AM
^HAHA
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Post by: DoctorQuest on June 03, 2012, 02:26:52 AM
Almost done with "The Great Book of Amber" which is the 10 volume compilation of Roger Zelazney's "Amber" fantasy series. The latter books deal a lot with the Chaos end of reality and things get appropriately weird. I've always liked the series in large part because they describe a sort of an "everyman's" fantasy world. The language and character behavior is more 20th century than other fantasy books I've read.

Getting ready re-read Asimov's "Foundation Trilogy" for about the zillionth time. Saving the second part of my re-read of "Flight of the Intruder" for my biz trip next week.
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Post by: Bison on June 03, 2012, 02:28:54 AM
Getting ready re-read Asimov's "Foundation Trilogy" for about the zillionth time.

Fantastic trilogy. I just read it again this past winter.
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Post by: bob48 on June 03, 2012, 04:51:18 AM
^ Yeah Bison, I still go back and read it now and again, although I was not so keen on the follow-on stories, the original trilogy is just sooo good.

Same with LotR, which I first read back in the 1960's. I guess I must have read it around 20 times over the years, its just such a great book.

For SciFi with a bit of a difference, the 'Foreigner' series by C.J.Cherryh is good. I got Mrs Bob hooked on them and she ripped through the first 12 books in short order, I'm now waiting for book 13, so there will be a battle to see who gets it first!

I enjoyed the Nights Dawn trilogy by Peter.F.Hamilton, although it did take a bit of getting through at times, it was worth the effort, although I thought the end was a bit contrived.

Iain M Banks 'Culture' books are very re-readable, I've on my way through them again ATM, and the Terry Pratchett 'Disc World' books are always good for a bit of light relief.

Just recently, me and she read the Dark Tower series by Stephen King which we enjoyed very much.

Too many books to read - not enough time - thats the problem ::)
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Post by: Arctic Blast on June 03, 2012, 03:40:06 PM
Finished Unholy Night. REALLY liked it. His previous books were good, but I think that this one was a step up. It isn't so much a satirical type of thing as it is his own version of just who the Three Wise Men really were, and what the motivations of the other people involved actually were. And he clearly puts a ton of time in to researching the world these stories take place in. I loved this one.

I also read Marv Levy's book Where Else Would You Rather Be. It was actually pretty good, and the guy's pretty funny. Spent a lot more time covering his life and growth than just telling football stories, but there were plenty of those as well. The only real problem I had with it is that, and this happens in a lot of books written by coaches, he often overrates his players. Bruce Smith and Jim Kelly and the rest of the big boys were great, but when he's calling Phil Hansen a force and describing Mario Haggan and Damien Covington as great players...not so much.

Now...I'm not sure what's next. I grabbed a book called The Age of Ra awhile back that probably is the next read. It seems to be about the return of ancient Egyptian gods who conquer the world or something.
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Post by: Bison on June 10, 2012, 04:37:33 PM
George Washington's First War, by David Clary

The Bear Went Over the Mountain, translated by Lester Grau.
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Post by: DoctorQuest on June 11, 2012, 02:10:43 PM
...I was not so keen on the follow-on stories, the original trilogy is just sooo good.


I had the same issue. The original trilogy is a bit dated in terms of "look how great atomic energy will be" but otherwise it really stands the test of time. On the other hand if cold fusion is actually doable we could see a lot of the neat little atomic powered devices Azimov foretold. Time will tell...........
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Post by: Steelgrave on June 11, 2012, 02:41:35 PM
"Old Man's War" (and you in the peanut gallery....stfu!!!) by John Scalzi. So far it's a somewhat more entertaining version of "Starship Troopers", and yeah, yeah, I know that's sacrilege.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on June 12, 2012, 02:51:32 PM
I've never read Starship Troopers or watched the movie.  How's that for scifi sacrilege?
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Post by: bob48 on June 12, 2012, 03:15:06 PM
I've got the book here Bison, wanna borrow it?
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Post by: Gusington on June 12, 2012, 06:11:44 PM
Steelie I wanted to thank you for your recommendations of Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter and Britannia's Fist...I read them both in a matter of days which is record time for me and enjoyed both a lot.

I am now reading straight history again with Diana Preston's 'The Dark Defile', the story of the British Empire's first Afghan campaign in 1838.

Preston is an excellent writer...she wrote 'Lusitania' which is supposedly excellent (I haven't read it yet) and a book about the Boxer Rebellion which is one of my all time favorites.
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Post by: mirth on June 12, 2012, 07:23:39 PM
Wait a sec...Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter isn't straight history?
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Post by: MetalDog on June 12, 2012, 09:46:33 PM
Just read everything from Page 1.  Not much to add except for those who tried Robert Jordan.  Stop.  Cease and desist.  You will never get that time back.

Another poor soul mentioned the Sword of Shannara.  PLEASE stop.  What is once read cannot be un-read.

I haven't read Starship Troopers or seen the movie either.

And Dance With Dragons.  Never have I waited so long for so little.  ( I almost feel like a woman).

R. Scott Baker is fantastic and should be read by all fantasy lovers.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on June 13, 2012, 12:05:00 AM
Am about two-thirds of the way through How Firm a Foundation, the fifth novel in the Safehold series. 

Of the book so far, I will say only this:  David Weber is a bastard-coasted bastard with bastard filling.  He obviously delights in pissing off his readers by [SPOILER] killing off major (and beloved) characters!  Gah!!!  >:( 




I've never read Starship Troopers or watched the movie.  How's that for scifi sacrilege?

People's mileage will vary on the movie (I enjoy it in a "guilty pleasure" sort of way), but you should definitely read the book, Bison.  I genuinely believe you'd like it. 




Just read everything from Page 1.  Not much to add except for those who tried Robert Jordan.  Stop.  Cease and desist.  You will never get that time back.
'phro, you wound me! 

In fairness, though, the Wheel of Time series indeed isn't for everyone.  It does bog down in books 7-10, which a lot of folks (understandably) have a hard time getting through.  The pace picks up again in a major way in book 11 (Knife of Dreams), and I feel it *is* worth getting to that point, but I don't blame those weren't able to persevere that far. 


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Post by: Arctic Blast on June 13, 2012, 01:12:39 AM
Steelie I wanted to thank you for your recommendations of Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter and Britannia's Fist...I read them both in a matter of days which is record time for me and enjoyed both a lot.

If you like Abe, check out the author's latest book about his own version of the Three Wise Men called Unholy Night. So damn good.

I ripped through The Age of Ra. Pretty decent overall. I found it refreshing that during the scenes when he's writing from the point of view of the Egyptian gods, he had them speaking like regular people. It beats the usual overly flowery blather that typically gets subbed in at moments like that. Now I'm about a third of the way through Void Stalker, which is the third book following a war band of the Night Lords Chaos Legion.
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Post by: Bison on June 13, 2012, 01:37:44 AM
@Martok I'm sure I will when I eventually get around to it.  I got a pretty long list of books on my to read list.
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Post by: MetalDog on June 13, 2012, 04:53:11 AM
Just read everything from Page 1.  Not much to add except for those who tried Robert Jordan.  Stop.  Cease and desist.  You will never get that time back.
'phro, you wound me! 

In fairness, though, the Wheel of Time series indeed isn't for everyone.  It does bog down in books 7-10, which a lot of folks (understandably) have a hard time getting through.  The pace picks up again in a major way in book 11 (Knife of Dreams), and I feel it *is* worth getting to that point, but I don't blame those weren't able to persevere that far.

The glacial pace, yes, I'm one of those, turned me off afte I got through the first seven or eight books.  Is 11 the one written by someone else after Jordan died?  Might explain the rapid pace. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on June 13, 2012, 05:02:35 AM
Knife of Dreams (book 11) is actually the last one written by Jordan himself before he died.  It's almost as if he sensed the end coming, and realized he needed to move things along again! 

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Post by: Gusington on June 13, 2012, 08:39:11 AM
Arctic: will do on Unholy Night.
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Post by: Centurion40 on June 13, 2012, 11:51:44 AM
Tropic of Capricorn by Henry Miller. No idea what this is nor what this Miller dude is about. But i like stories about animals.
1. Dogs
2. Capricorns
3. Unicorns

LOL!!  The legend endures!!
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Post by: OJsDad on June 13, 2012, 02:02:36 PM
@MARTOK You're finally reading How Firm a Foundation.  Great.  PM and let me know where you're at.  If you're up to where I think you are, then I whole heartedly agree.

If you go out to David Webers web site, www.davidweber.net, you can find a snippets section in the forums.  There, you can find the beginning parts of the next Safehold book, Midst Toil and Tribulation, along with other soon to be released books of his.  MTaT is due out in September of this year. 
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Post by: OJsDad on June 13, 2012, 02:05:55 PM
Steelie I wanted to thank you for your recommendations of Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter and Britannia's Fist...I read them both in a matter of days which is record time for me and enjoyed both a lot.

Is Britannia's Fist well developed and believable.  It looks like it is less thann 300 pages, is that correct?
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Post by: Gusington on June 13, 2012, 02:38:13 PM
First book is 225 pages, the 2nd one in the series (Rainbow of Blood) is 275 pages. It reads more realistically than most other historical fiction I have read. The author is a defense analyst and was in the US Army. And he's an historian.
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Post by: Azzurri on June 13, 2012, 04:23:35 PM
R. Scott Baker is fantastic and should be read by all fantasy lovers.

Requoted for truth!
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Post by: MetalDog on June 13, 2012, 06:58:46 PM
^ Thanks, Azz.  Glad you agree.

And I seem to remember someone giving a shout out for the Zelazny, "Amber" omnibus.  Good on ya'!  I own it and love it!!
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Post by: GroggyGrognard on June 13, 2012, 09:16:17 PM
About halfway through Fatal Voyage by Dan Kurzman

Carry on gents,

Groggy
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Post by: Martok on June 14, 2012, 10:23:33 AM
@MARTOK You're finally reading How Firm a Foundation.  Great.  PM and let me know where you're at.  If you're up to where I think you are, then I whole heartedly agree.

PM sent. 



If you go out to David Webers web site, www.davidweber.net, you can find a snippets section in the forums.  There, you can find the beginning parts of the next Safehold book, Midst Toil and Tribulation, along with other soon to be released books of his.  MTaT is due out in September of this year.

I already have his website bookmarked, but I (ironically) rarely visit it...mostly because I'm paranoid about spoilers.  :P 


I can't believe the next Safehold book is already coming out this fall (not that I'm complaining, of course).  That man is on a tear! 


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Post by: Staggerwing on June 14, 2012, 02:54:43 PM
I can't believe the next Safehold book is already coming out this fall (not that I'm complaining, of course).  That man is on a tear!

Well, I wish he would write the next Hell's Gate book! It's an awesome premise:

http://www.amazon.com/Hells-Gate-Multiverse-Book-1/dp/1416509399

Quote
From Publishers Weekly
Magic and high tech collide in this exciting military SF novel from bestseller Weber (War of Honor) and Evans (Far Edge of Darkness), the first of a new series. Two human societies, the Sharona and the Union of Arcana, have evolved in parallel universes without encountering another civilization, human or otherwise. The Sharona exhibit a level of technology roughly analogous to the late 19th century, with psionic abilities thrown in for seasoning, but the Arcana have harnessed magical energies down to the consumer level. Astonishingly, it's the magical society that suffers the greater shock when one of their companies encounters a small Sharona civilian survey team and is almost annihilated by the enemy's repeating firearms. The authors treat both societies sympathetically and realistically, with human vices and virtues evenly distributed. The narrative bogs down slightly under the weight of the world building necessary for later installments, but is uncompromising in sacrificing even strong, sympathetic characters to the demands of the plot.

Did I mention there are dragons?
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Post by: Shelldrake on June 14, 2012, 03:10:13 PM
I am working my way through Campbell's Lost Fleet books, having just finished the 3rd one in the series. So far I am really enjoying them. I am also reading the 2nd book in Mercedes Lackey's Secret World Chronicle which details the struggle between a diverse group of present day metas (superheroes) and mysterious invaders that include armoured Nazi troopers. Good stuff!
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Post by: Staggerwing on June 14, 2012, 03:15:50 PM
Is that Mercedes Lackey book part of a series with many authors, or am I thinking of a different series? Something about Aces and Jokers, maybe?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on June 14, 2012, 04:13:32 PM
Is that Mercedes Lackey book part of a series with many authors, or am I thinking of a different series? Something about Aces and Jokers, maybe?

You are thinking about RR Martin's Wildcards series of books. This is different, although both deal with superheroes.
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Post by: OJsDad on June 23, 2012, 04:36:32 PM
Anyone read Destroyermen? 
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Post by: TheCommandTent on June 29, 2012, 06:42:14 AM
My parents are visiting this weekend and my dad brought me Into the Storm - A Study in Command by Tom Clancy w/ General Fred Franks Jr.  Any of you know if its worth a read?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on June 30, 2012, 10:54:16 AM
Anyone read Destroyermen?

Yes, I read the first 3 books in the series and really enjoyed them.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 04, 2012, 03:45:30 PM
I'm reading The Battle of Midway by Craig Symonds and really enjoying it.  It's light reading but there's a lot of interesting info in there that I wasn't previously aware of.

Now I just have to find a Midway game for PC that doesn't suck.  I've been eyeing up HPS's Midway but I'm not really a fan of Tiller's other games.  Anyone recommend it?  I'm more interested in the pre-contact search aspect than the nitty gritty of the battle itself.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on July 04, 2012, 04:06:08 PM
Not about Midway as such but a bit broader in scope- If you can find it: Task Force 1942 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_1942). It seems to get better reviews now than when it was first released. The same game engine was used in 1942 Pacific Air War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942:_The_Pacific_Air_War) for the strategic portion of the sim.

(http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/1860-task-force-1942-dos-screenshot-create-air-searchs.gif)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on July 04, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
I'm reading The Battle of Midway by Craig Symonds and really enjoying it.  It's light reading but there's a lot of interesting info in there that I wasn't previously aware of.

Now I just have to find a Midway game for PC that doesn't suck.  I've been eyeing up HPS's Midway but I'm not really a fan of Tiller's other games.  Anyone recommend it?  I'm more interested in the pre-contact search aspect than the nitty gritty of the battle itself.

I'd recommend the original Complete Carriers At War if you can find a copy. I think NWS Online may have it in stock. It's an older game, but it will run on Windows XP without an emulator. Pre-contact search is major part of the game and a lot of fun really.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 04, 2012, 04:39:31 PM
I'm looking for something current that I don't have to use DOSBox for.
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Post by: mirth on July 04, 2012, 04:44:26 PM
You mean Win 7 current? If so, go with JTs Midway. It's supposed to be pretty good. I have it but haven't played it yet (part of my multi-year backlog).
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Post by: W8taminute on July 17, 2012, 08:15:19 AM
Finally finished Descent of Angels last night.  [book 6 of the Horus Heresy series]

I liked this book but felt that it ended abruptly.  Fortunately I read Fall of Angels out of sequence with this series so I do know what "happens next" but for those who are reading the series in chronological order, they may be left with more to be desired.  Put Descent of Angels into context with the big picture and you'll be fine though.


Now onto Legion!


P.S.  The more of the Horus Heresy series I read, the more I realize that the Star Wars story blows chunks badly.  Star Wars was created by a drunken three year old who has no control over his temper tantrums.  The WH40K universe is a masterpiece created by many brilliant story tellers.  Ok?
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Post by: Gusington on July 17, 2012, 08:44:16 AM
I've got a new book coming from Black Library on the Adeptus Mechanicum! I haven't read anything in WH40K since last year's Space Wolves. Psyched. I also have to read Abnett's Titanicus...don't know if I can be disciplined enough to read that first and then move on to the new title. I also have the Gothic War books to read. Might read those while playing Endless Space or Legends of Pegasus, since I cannot find a good WH40K capital ship mod out there.

BTW the name of the new title is Priests of Mars. It appears to be a standalone title and includes archaeological and historical WH40K plotlines.
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Post by: W8taminute on July 17, 2012, 09:32:52 AM
I envy you Gus.  Those all sound like great books.  I really want to read Adeptus Mechanicum but so far I have disciplined myself to sticking to the Heresy for now.  Once I get to book ten however, I believe that is where the Adeptus Mechanicum steps in.

Abnett is probably the best of all the WH40K authors so you probably won't be disappointed with Titanicus.  So many books, computer games, console games, and beer to drink, but so little time.  So damn little time...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on July 17, 2012, 09:39:08 AM
^It's the time and the inability to multitask that really gets me.

The historian in me wants to read Titanicus first to get a good back story for Priests of Mars but I am growing a little impatient.

Oh I also picked up the Warhammer omnibus Vampire Wars to read while playing Warlock.
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Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 18, 2012, 12:19:27 PM
Currently I'm reading Wrath of Iron by Chris Wright.  Its a WH: 40K battle book about an invasion of a traitor world led by a force of Iron Hands Space Marines.  It's pretty good so far...the Iron Hands are a strange bunch of dudes, but they sure can kick some serious butt.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on July 18, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
They were supposed to be one of the 'First Founding' Legions, if my 40K memory serves me right, and provided the cadre for several other chapters after the Heresy.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on July 18, 2012, 12:31:17 PM
Any of you guys read Titanicus?
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Post by: LongBlade on July 18, 2012, 12:35:33 PM
Any of you guys read Titanicus?

Yes. There's a review of mine on WG somewhere.

<looks around>

Found it. Ah, yes. Almost forgot about those days...too much LDS I suppose. That was when I was going by the nom de plume Scott Parrino: http://www.wargamer.com/article/2746/titanicus
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Post by: Gusington on July 18, 2012, 12:45:59 PM
^Thanks. I am trying to decide whether to read Titanicus or Eisenhorn next.

And if you liked Titanicus you will like Priests of Mars, I think. It's just been released.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on July 18, 2012, 12:47:53 PM
Just started my yearly (re)reading of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings trilogy this morning. 

After that, will probably move onto my yearly reading of Asimov's Foundation series. 


Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on July 18, 2012, 12:59:27 PM
^Thanks. I am trying to decide whether to read Titanicus or Eisenhorn next.

And if you liked Titanicus you will like Priests of Mars, I think. It's just been released.

Yeah, Priest of Mars sounds like a win.

Eisenhorn or Titanicus? Hmmm.

Titanicus is not terribly accessible (deliberately so). I'd go with Eisenhorn. It's freaking awesome. I was bummed when it ended. It could have gone on forever.
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Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 18, 2012, 01:04:45 PM
^Between Titanicus and Eisenhorn?  Its a no brainer.  I think I've told Gusington to read it at least 5 times over a period of just as many years.  I'm tired of being ignored.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 18, 2012, 01:06:08 PM
They were supposed to be one of the 'First Founding' Legions, if my 40K memory serves me right, and provided the cadre for several other chapters after the Heresy.

The Iron Hands are one of the first 20 twenty chapters and their Primarch, Ferus Manus, was murdered by his brother Primarch Fulgrim during the opening phase of the Horus Heresy.  Most of the Iron Hands were slaughtered at the Isstvan Drop Site Massacre. 
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Post by: Gusington on July 18, 2012, 01:09:59 PM
Eisenhorn it is! SoM loves it too IIRC. And that means I can crack open all the DoW II PC games too. I will save Titanicus and Priests of Mars for a special occasion.
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Post by: undercovergeek on July 18, 2012, 01:14:04 PM
is eisenhorn the book about the inquisition - there is a 'trilogy' omnibus on amazon and i have a gift voucher to spend - just want to make sure ive got the right book
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on July 18, 2012, 01:15:47 PM
is eisenhorn the book about the inquisition - there is a 'trilogy' omnibus on amazon and i have a gift voucher to spend - just want to make sure ive got the right book

That's it - the trilogy.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1844161560/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1844161560&linkCode=as2&tag=grogheads-20
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Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 18, 2012, 01:24:59 PM
is eisenhorn the book about the inquisition - there is a 'trilogy' omnibus on amazon and i have a gift voucher to spend - just want to make sure ive got the right book

There are two trilogies about the inquisition.  One is Eisenhorn...the other is called The Inquisition Wars.  This one follows the exploits of Inquisitor Jaq Draco.  It is in my opinion just as good, if not better than the Eisenhorn trilogy. That being said, either series constitutes some of the best warhammer 40K writing out there and you simply can't go wrong with reading either one or both.
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Post by: W8taminute on July 18, 2012, 01:48:48 PM
The Iron Hands are one of the first 20 twenty chapters and their Primarch, Ferus Manus, was murdered by his brother Primarch Fulgrim during the opening phase of the Horus Heresy. 

I cried when I read that part in the book.  It was tragic and I felt sorrow for both actually.  Fulgrim never really wanted to do what he did, but the powers of Chaos proved too much for him to fight off.


Most of the Iron Hands were slaughtered at the Isstvan Drop Site Massacre.

Ah the Isstvan massacre.  When I first heard about this battle I thought it referred to the sadistic killing of a planets entire civilian population.  Awful enough, but what really made me cry was the discarding of Loken and other good Space Marines after the virus bombs dropped.  To see good men like that betrayed was an outrage.
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Post by: Jarhead0331 on July 18, 2012, 02:14:53 PM
Awful enough, but what really made me cry was the discarding of Loken and other good Space Marines after the virus bombs dropped.  To see good men like that betrayed was an outrage.

Yes.  I was equally moved by these acts of betrayal.  However, you are aware of the fact that Garviel Loken did, in fact, survive the Drop Site Massacre and lived throughout the war on Isstvan III as a "Legion of One?"
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Post by: W8taminute on July 18, 2012, 02:36:43 PM
Awful enough, but what really made me cry was the discarding of Loken and other good Space Marines after the virus bombs dropped.  To see good men like that betrayed was an outrage.

Yes.  I was equally moved by these acts of betrayal.  However, you are aware of the fact that Garviel Loken did, in fact, survive the Drop Site Massacre and lived throughout the war on Isstvan III as a "Legion of One?"

Funny you ask that.  I really like Loken so much that I cheated and wiki'ed him to see what his fate was.  I just wanted to know some more details on how he died.  Turns out I was wrong and that he did indeed survive.  But being a "Legion of One", now that I didn't know.  Never knew he had it in him.
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Post by: undercovergeek on July 18, 2012, 02:40:14 PM
didnt know that either - i always consider it a great testament to the author when fiction can stir emotions that much - i was speechless and gobsmacked at the description of the virus bombs dropping
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Post by: Gusington on July 18, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
For the guys who have read a lot of WH40K...does it start to get repetitive after a while or are the new releases routinely fresh?
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Post by: Greybriar on July 18, 2012, 06:59:05 PM
I am currently reading American Lion: Andrew Jackson in the White House (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2009/04/jon-meacham-takes-pulitzer-prize-for-biography-.html) by Jon Meacham.
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Post by: LongBlade on July 18, 2012, 06:59:18 PM
For the guys who have read a lot of WH40K...does it start to get repetitive after a while or are the new releases routinely fresh?

Hard to say.

I am kinda burned out, but it could just be I'm waiting for another great book.

The Ciaphas Cain series is great for the first two omnibi but I'm not loving this latest set for some reason. Good, just not great.
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Post by: Gusington on July 18, 2012, 07:06:20 PM
I suppose like anything, WH40K can get to be a bit much after the 10th title, especially if they are all uber-violent.
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Post by: W8taminute on July 19, 2012, 07:04:20 AM
^It's not so much that they're uber violent.  There is no sensationalist wanton violence.  What is riveting however is the author's ability to describe the horrors of war, even if it's confined to the view of an individual soldier or soldiers.  I have to agree with undercovergeek's statement about the testament to the authors and their ability to stir up emotion.  I'm talking only from the Horus Heresy series though as I have not read anything else Warhammer.
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Post by: Gusington on July 19, 2012, 07:39:44 AM
^You need to read some Space Wolves. They were my entry point last summer.
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on July 19, 2012, 08:54:44 AM
I just finished Cain at Gettysburg by Ralph Peters.  I have to say I really enjoyed it.  It's not quite up to the gold standard of The Killer Angels as far as novels go, but it is more faithful to the history I believe.  Also, the book avoids most of the characters and events that appear in The Killer Angles to take you to other parts of the battle.  For example, Lee is more of a minor character in this book whereas Meade is the central figure.  I've always felt Meade is one of the most underestimated generals of the ACW so I really enjoyed a book written with his actions and perspectives in minf finally.
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Post by: W8taminute on July 19, 2012, 11:43:14 AM
^You need to read some Space Wolves. They were my entry point last summer.

I'll have to check that out.   :)
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Post by: Steelgrave on July 19, 2012, 12:00:56 PM
I just finished a really good sci/fi trilogy by John Scalzi, "Old Man's War", "Ghost Brigades", and "The Last Colony". Some well thought out concepts, good characters and a plot that moves right along. "The Last Colony" took an interesting turn and had a very satisfying ending, and all three books are highly rated on Amazon by readers. Well worth a read.
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Post by: Staggerwing on July 19, 2012, 12:04:16 PM
I just finished a really good sci/fi trilogy by John Scalzi, "Old Man's War", "Ghost Brigades", and "The Last Colony". Some solid concepts fleshed out by good characters and a plot that moves right along. "The Last Colony" took an interesting turn and had a very satisfying ending. Well worth a read.

I read Old Man's War recently. I liked it a lot. It reminded me of two particular milscifi classics (no spoilers) merged together. The next book is on my short list.
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Post by: Steelgrave on July 19, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
^It was indeed inspired by those unnamed books you are talking about, but I think Scalzi managed to go in some unanticipated directions. Be sure and read the third book as well. It ties the series together very nicely.
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Post by: Staggerwing on July 19, 2012, 03:55:56 PM
^It was indeed inspired by those unnamed books you are talking about, but I think Scalzi managed to go in some unanticipated directions. Be sure and read the third book as well. It ties the series together very nicely.

Reading assignment accepted.
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Post by: Staggerwing on July 19, 2012, 06:44:50 PM
^It was indeed inspired by those unnamed books you are talking about, but I think Scalzi managed to go in some unanticipated directions. Be sure and read the third book as well. It ties the series together very nicely.

Looks like there's a fourth book that takes place at the same time as the third: Zoe's War (http://www.amazon.com/Zoes-Tale/dp/033050603X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1342744922&sr=1-12)
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Post by: Steelgrave on July 19, 2012, 08:28:55 PM
^Yes and no....from the review's I've read, Zoe's War is a retelling of the third book from her perspective. I haven't decided if that interests me enough to pick it up or not.
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Post by: eyebiter on July 20, 2012, 06:34:40 AM
This week graphic novels from the library. 

Northlanders Book 4 was excellent, plan to follow the rest of this series.

Preacher: Salvation - great art but didn't care much for the story line... Might have been cutting edge in the 1990's
but just seemed lame now days when compared with modern realistic crime comics like Scalped.

Onward towards our noble deaths - manga book of Imperial Japanese Army in World War 2.
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Post by: Gusington on July 20, 2012, 08:13:38 AM
^How is that last one?
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Post by: LongBlade on July 20, 2012, 09:42:21 AM
Great point about the graphic novels, Eyebiter.

I read the first 48 Walking Dead in their anthology over the weekend.

Man, that was a trip.
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Post by: Steelgrave on July 20, 2012, 09:56:54 AM
Great point about the graphic novels, Eyebiter.

I read the first 48 Walking Dead in their anthology over the weekend.

Man, that was a trip.

I did the same thing, but it was like 35 or so at the time. I'm glad that the TV version doesn't mirror the events in the comics exactly, means that you can enjoy both without knowing for sure what might happen.
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Post by: meadbelly on July 20, 2012, 07:58:02 PM
^Yes and no....from the review's I've read, Zoe's War is a retelling of the third book from her perspective. I haven't decided if that interests me enough to pick it up or not.

In my opinion, Zoe's Tale is the best of the series. For all of Scalzi's strengths, I think he is best capturing a somewhat immature voice. His ability to put the reader into the mind of a precocious teen girl is makes the previous three seem somewhat shallow.
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Post by: Steelgrave on July 20, 2012, 08:09:11 PM
^Yes and no....from the review's I've read, Zoe's War is a retelling of the third book from her perspective. I haven't decided if that interests me enough to pick it up or not.

In my opinion, Zoe's Tale is the best of the series. For all of Scalzi's strengths, I think he is best capturing a somewhat immature voice. His ability to put the reader into the mind of a precocious teen girl is makes the previous three seem somewhat shallow.
Really? I think you just talked me into a trip to Amazon.....dotcom, that is......

I did think that the female protagonist in Ghost Brigades (so as to not give away the storyline) was well done, with her struggles about who and what she was. That continued nicely into The Lost Colony. Gotta give Scalzi his dues, not the best writer ever but four solid books under his belt. Not bad. Thanks for the feedback  :)
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Post by: meadbelly on July 20, 2012, 08:31:59 PM
^Yes and no....from the review's I've read, Zoe's War is a retelling of the third book from her perspective. I haven't decided if that interests me enough to pick it up or not.

In my opinion, Zoe's Tale is the best of the series. For all of Scalzi's strengths, I think he is best capturing a somewhat immature voice. His ability to put the reader into the mind of a precocious teen girl is makes the previous three seem somewhat shallow.
Really? I think you just talked me into a trip to Amazon.....dotcom, that is......

I did think that the female protagonist in Ghost Brigades (so as to not give away the storyline) was well done, with her struggles about who and what she was. That continued nicely into The Lost Colony. Gotta give Scalzi his dues, not the best writer ever but four solid books under his belt. Not bad. Thanks for the feedback  :)

That's a good point re: female protagonist. Scalzi mentions in an author's note in Zoe's Tale that he pushed himself to capture Zoe right. I wonder if the bit of extra effort to accurately depict the fairer sex sharpens his skills a bit.

Right back at ya on feedback. I'm early into Ambercrombie's The Heroes thanks to your (and nefaro's? martok's?) recommendations on the wargamer. Hope to get deeper in this weekend.
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Post by: eyebiter on July 21, 2012, 07:34:03 AM
^How is that last one?

Onward Towards our Noble Deaths is excellent, the author Shigeru Mizuki was stationed at Rabul during 1943.  Unusual drawing style where the character faces are cartoonish but the uniforms, equipment, and backgrounds are all very realistic. 

(http://images.tcj.com/2011/06/ONWARDpg343.jpg)

From looking on google apparently it won an Eisner award at Comic Con 2012.
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Post by: Gusington on July 21, 2012, 08:31:48 AM
^I dig that sample. You've piqued my interest.
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Post by: Greybriar on July 26, 2012, 04:39:09 AM
I am Legend by Richard Matheson.
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Post by: Martok on July 26, 2012, 07:58:28 AM
Almost halfway through The Fellowship of the Ring.  The four hobbits have just arrived at Bree. 


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Post by: Gusington on July 26, 2012, 08:07:11 AM
Greybriar what do you think of I Am Legend? I read it about 20 years ago and it has remained one of my favorite books.
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Post by: bob48 on July 26, 2012, 09:12:33 AM
Almost halfway through The Fellowship of the Ring.  The four hobbits have just arrived at Bree.

Ah, the Prancing Pony. Makes me want to start reading it again.
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Post by: LongBlade on July 26, 2012, 10:15:28 AM
I am approaching the last fifth of Walter J. Boyne's Clash of Wings.

It is perhaps the best single-volume read on WWII that I have yet found. Focused more on the air war than on the ground way, it is still an amazingly great and easy read about WWII. Absolutely phenomenal.
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Post by: Grimnirsson on July 26, 2012, 10:36:46 AM
I'm in the end part of Descent of Angels, one of the Horus Heresy Warhammer books - just love these novels  :)
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Post by: W8taminute on July 26, 2012, 11:33:40 AM
^Grimnirsson I just finished that book a couple of weeks ago.  I agree, I love the series too!
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Post by: Shelldrake on July 26, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
I am Legend by Richard Matheson.

Great story. The movie would have been so much better if they had stayed with the original storyline.
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Post by: bob48 on July 26, 2012, 12:57:57 PM
Just started 'Panzers in Normandy' by S.W.Mitcham, although the book is really centred around Gen Hans Eberbach and his conduct in the campaign. Interesting read so far.
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Post by: Greybriar on July 26, 2012, 12:58:26 PM
Greybriar what do you think of I Am Legend? I read it about 20 years ago and it has remained one of my favorite books.

Like Shelldrake posted, it's a great story. The short stories included are excellent as well--I remember watching the screen version of Prey on The Twilight Zone many years ago.  I liked the book so well that I plan on reading Noir next. Noir (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/noir-richard-matheson/1100214060?ean=9780765311405) is a trilogy consisting of Someone Is Bleeding, Fury on Sunday, and Ride the Nightmare.
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Post by: Gusington on July 26, 2012, 08:07:54 PM
Wow I never even heard of Noir...thanks GB.
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Post by: Greybriar on July 26, 2012, 10:46:34 PM
You're welcome, Gus.
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Post by: eyebiter on July 27, 2012, 04:08:11 PM
Three new books to read this weekend

First clash : combat close-up in World War Three

The U-boat century : German submarine warfare, 1906-2006

Zombies are us : essays on the humanity of the walking dead

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Post by: Staggerwing on July 27, 2012, 05:15:10 PM

The U-boat century : German submarine warfare, 1906-2006 (!)


You tellin' me there are still Type XXI Elektrobooten prowling around the sealanes? Someone should get one of those Enigma machines out of a museum and send 'em a flash about VE Day...
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Post by: Gusington on July 28, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
^That sub title sounds awesome. I also didn't know the Germans still have some subs out there. Crafty SOBs.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on July 28, 2012, 03:01:37 PM
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First clash : combat close-up in World War Three

IIRC that one focuses on the Canadians?
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Post by: Shelldrake on July 29, 2012, 06:48:43 AM
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First clash : combat close-up in World War Three

IIRC that one focuses on the Canadians?

And really hard to find! Where did you manage to score a copy eyebiter?
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Post by: Staggerwing on July 29, 2012, 08:16:20 AM
IIRC, last time this title came up in conversation Amazon or it's affiliates had some in stock (http://www.amazon.com/First-clash-Combat-close-up-World/dp/0853687366). Some as low as fifty cents US!
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on July 29, 2012, 10:58:45 AM
i still have my original.
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Post by: eyebiter on July 29, 2012, 02:27:13 PM
re: First Clash
Found at local university library.  4 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group in World War III.  "...mobile defense against a Soviet Tank Division in the European setting, the summer circa 1984"

re: Uboat Century
The focus of the book is German WWI & WWII submarines.  However there is a chapter 'The Modern German Navy' covers Cold War era submarines.  A few small experiment boats in the 1950s, then the Germans started to develop advanced diesel/ electric coastal submarines again in the 1960s. 

Did not realize the German Type 206 submarines have been decomissioned and replaced by the 212 class.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine
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Post by: Staggerwing on July 29, 2012, 02:35:54 PM

Did not realize the German Type 206 submarines have been decomissioned and replaced by the 212 class.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine

From Wiki:
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The submarine can operate at high speed on diesel power or switch to the AIP system for silent slow cruising, staying submerged for up to three weeks without surfacing and with no exhaust heat. The system is also said to be vibration-free, extremely quiet and virtually undetectable.

Hot Damn! Are you Canadians reading this? I told you guys already- German engineering is the way to go!  ;)
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on July 29, 2012, 03:37:02 PM
Germany is where Israel gets all their current subs from.

oh sweet irony.
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Post by: Grimnirsson on July 31, 2012, 12:24:50 PM
There was a time when we had plenty of opportunities to test subs - I expect them to be great now  ;)
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Post by: Bismarck on August 01, 2012, 11:30:06 AM
Snooks "Into the Jaws of Death - British Military Blunders 1879 - 1900.
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Post by: DoctorQuest on August 03, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
Picked up "The SS Brotherhood of the Bell" by Joseph P. Farrell at the library. One of the those "we were this close to the Nazi's taking over the world" books. "UFOs are not from outer space, they are from Nazi Germany."

Should be interesting to say the least.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on August 03, 2012, 11:20:48 PM
www.rzm.com   sorry for your wallets.
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Post by: Martok on August 12, 2012, 08:36:19 AM
Just started The Return of the King.  I'm already a little sad I'm coming to the end of my annual reading of this wonderful series so soon. 


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Post by: Bismarck on August 12, 2012, 10:33:43 AM
Snooks'  Into the Jaws of Defeat: British Military Blunders 1879-1900
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Post by: Gusington on August 12, 2012, 11:31:19 AM
^Sounds like another solid read and sort of related to what I am reading now...The Battle of Adwa (Italian defeat in Ethiopia) by Raymond Jonas. I'm going to be writing a review of it for GH soon, it is one of the better books I've read in the last few years.
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Post by: Bismarck on August 12, 2012, 12:15:10 PM
Nice tip.  Thanks.
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Post by: Gusington on August 12, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
^Yes sir. From your last few posts I think you would enjoy the Adwa book a lot.
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Post by: Bismarck on August 12, 2012, 01:18:21 PM
Just ordered it and got the Osprey book on the armies involved for my Kindle.
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Post by: Gusington on August 12, 2012, 06:19:49 PM
^Post your impressions when you can. I just finished the chapter on Italian Askari troops and it was great reading...for a grog, anyway.
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Post by: W8taminute on September 04, 2012, 07:49:50 AM
Just finished reading Legion by Dan Abnett, the 7th book in the Horus Heresy series.  This book introduces us to the Alpha Legion, one of the most secretive of all the Astartes legions.  It is set 2 years before the Horus Heresy.  In my opinion it starts off kind of slow but starts to pick up steam around the 200 page mark.  After that the story begins to develop at a rapid pace and when the reader realizes where it is heading the book can't be put down.

I was left speechless after reading the final 3 or 4 chapters.  Where on earth is mankind heading and why did Horus have to betray the galaxy?  Legion does a great job describing how damning the whole Heresy really is. 
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Post by: Jack Nastyface on September 04, 2012, 05:50:31 PM
Just finished "The Junior Officers Reading Club" which is a brilliant account of one British officer's experience at Sandhurst, Iraq and Afghanistan.  Intellectual, witty, irreverant, insightful, harrowing, and hip - this is what going to war looks like for the iPod generation.

Also working through Sieze the Fire, a good but admittedly jingoist (and adoringly, embarrasingly Nelson-ophillic) account of the Battle of Trafalgar.  FWIW, I don't necessarily agree that Nelson was "...the greatest naval commander, ever" (considering he only fought two battles in the open sea) but the author's research more than makes up for the bias.

Jack Nastyface
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Post by: Greybriar on September 04, 2012, 07:23:45 PM
I am currently reading Saint Camber by Katherine Kurtz. It is the second book in The Legends of Camber of Culdi trilogy.
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Post by: Gusington on September 04, 2012, 07:26:12 PM
I am reading The Pale Blue Eye by Louis Bayard. It is a murder mystery set at West Point in 1830, featuring Edgar Allan Poe as a main character.
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Post by: besilarius on September 05, 2012, 04:52:14 AM
Wet Grave, by Barbara Hambly.
Murder mystery set in 1830s New Orleans.  Can highly recommend anything by Hambly.  She is a superb writer of many genres.
If you like fantasy, try her Dragon's Bane.  Considering the dreck that most fantasy movies have for a plot, someone should adapt this for the screen, or for a multinight television show.
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Post by: Toonces on September 17, 2012, 12:03:52 AM
I finished two books today.

First was Red Army, which I mentioned in the WW3 thread.  The other is The Lions of Al-Rassan by Guy Gavriel Kay.  It was very, very good- two thumbs up, and I highly recommend it.  It's kind of a fantasy historical fantasy- the world is not real but it is essentially based on medieval Spain (Iberia?) and the holy wars that took place there. 

I have three other books queued up right now: Musashi, which I read about half of a couple of years ago so I'll need to start anew (and it's a very very long book); Fire in the East, book one of the Warriors of Rome series; and Under Heaven by Guy Gavriel Kay, set in 9th century China.  I'm leaning towards the Rome book I think.

Honestly, though, I don't think I can go wrong with any of those choices.  Just like my gaming, I need more time to read!
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Post by: eyebiter on September 17, 2012, 05:50:17 AM
Sniper Ace: From the Eastern Front to Siberia
Lithuanian is drafted into the Wehrmacht in 1943, sent to the Russian Front.  After the war gets sent to a forced labor camp in Siberia.  Ends up trapped in the Soviet Union gulag for over fifty years.


The Arnheiter Affair  - The USS Vance (DE-387) gets a new Captain in Dec 1965, right before the ship deploys to the coast of Vietnam.  During the voyage the crew compiles a long list of complaints about the Captain's behavior and judgement.  After a three month patrol the vessel returns to the Philippines for refit, Arnheiter is removed from command.

Notice the USS Vance crew have a reunion later this year in New Orleans.  Would be interesting to ask around to find out the real story.  Still wondering how much of this account was Vietnam era anti-war BS or if this guy was a real life Captain Queeg.
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Post by: Gusington on September 17, 2012, 05:50:59 AM
I read Fire in the East and loved it.
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Post by: Bismarck on September 17, 2012, 08:21:00 AM
Battle by John Lynn (about war and culture)
The Line on the Wind: Royal Navy 1793 to 1815
Fuentes des Orono Portugal 1811
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Post by: Windigo on September 17, 2012, 10:39:33 AM
Steel Fist - Tank Warfare 1939 - 1945
by Nigel Cawthorne

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Post by: Arctic Blast on September 17, 2012, 03:07:06 PM
Iron Kingdom : The Rise and Downfall of Prussia 1600-1947 by Christopher Clark
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Post by: Bison on September 17, 2012, 05:26:57 PM
No Easy Day.
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Post by: Staggerwing on September 17, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
Ravenor Omnibus, Steve Jobs bio (someone gave it to me, actually quite interesting), Myst Reader (you in the back, do I make fun of your books?!) and I just finished a bunch of John Scalzi stories on my ancient but still working Kindle 2. I have some Tank books on order (one overdue >:() and I'm going to try to peruse the L&L v3 rulebook (thank you Barthheart!).
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Post by: LongBlade on September 17, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
Ivan's War. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312426526/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0312426526&linkCode=as2&tag=grogheads-20
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Post by: Gusington on September 18, 2012, 05:54:27 AM
Arctic how are you liking Iron Kingdom?
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Post by: Martok on September 18, 2012, 11:33:05 AM
Am just about halfway through Warbreaker by Brandon Sanderson. 

I'm liking it so far.  The pacing is much better in this one than in his Mistborn trilogy (although I still very much enjoyed those books as well).  I wonder if Sanderson does better with standalone novels. 

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Post by: bob48 on September 18, 2012, 12:00:57 PM
I'm half way through the second book in the 'Girl with the Dragon Tattoo' trilogy. I admit I'm quite enjoying them.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on September 18, 2012, 12:49:40 PM
Arctic how are you liking Iron Kingdom?

So far, it's pretty decent. It does seem to spend a lot of time rattling off the names of every single person involved with something, often unnecessarily. And it REALLY goes in to minutia from time to time. But overall, it's good.
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Post by: Windigo on September 18, 2012, 02:53:45 PM
I'm half way through the second book in the 'Girl with the Dragon Tattoo' trilogy. I admit I'm quite enjoying them.

+1
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Post by: Gusington on September 18, 2012, 07:14:58 PM
Arctic try The Vanished Kingdom if you haven't already. Borderline fascist/romantic...but a good read.
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Post by: LongBlade on September 18, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
I'm half way through the second book in the 'Girl with the Dragon Tattoo' trilogy. I admit I'm quite enjoying them.

+1

FWIW Azz told me that was one of the best movies Evah.

<shrug>

I've never read it so I don't know what that might say about him. But I have heard they're good books.
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Post by: undercovergeek on September 19, 2012, 03:53:12 AM
watched the film on a plane not expecting anything much but was pleasantly surprised - very enjoyable
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Post by: W8taminute on September 19, 2012, 11:10:15 AM
^I'm curious, which version did you see?  The English or Swedish version of the film?  Both are good, but I found the Swedish version to be a bit more grisly in it's depiction of the murders.
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Post by: bob48 on September 19, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
I've not seen any of the films, but the books are quite riveting, and so far, as I get near to the end of the second book, the tension has not diminished at all. Not usually my choice of reading matter, but I have found a lot of entertainment value in them.
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Post by: undercovergeek on September 19, 2012, 12:05:49 PM
^I'm curious, which version did you see?  The English or Swedish version of the film?  Both are good, but I found the Swedish version to be a bit more grisly in it's depiction of the murders.

the english one with Daniel Craig

i liked the 'rapist' revenge scene
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Post by: OJsDad on September 19, 2012, 02:55:12 PM
Reading Midst Toil and Tribulation by David Weber.  Book 6 in his Safehold series.
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Post by: LongBlade on September 19, 2012, 03:09:54 PM
Priests of Mars arrived today. Can't wait to crack it later tonight.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1849701768/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1849701768&linkCode=as2&tag=grogheads-20
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Post by: Gusington on September 19, 2012, 04:36:15 PM
^O SNAP. I have that waiting on my WH40K shelf. But I have to read Titanicus before that. And Eisenhorn. And Vampire Wars in the regular WH universe :)
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Post by: LongBlade on September 19, 2012, 06:42:03 PM
^O SNAP. I have that waiting on my WH40K shelf. But I have to read Titanicus before that. And Eisenhorn. And Vampire Wars in the regular WH universe :)

Vampire Wars is likely to be a letdown. Just when it starts to get interesting you get reminded that they are vampires, and they are bad guys. There's also some drier history woven in there to get the "facts" laid out - more pro-forma than interesting tale.

Read the Ulrika the Vampire series for a more enjoyable tale.
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Post by: Gusington on September 19, 2012, 06:50:17 PM
I remember you mentioning that when I picked the book up. But Vampire Wars looked more interesting in the description for me. And to be honest a fictional history of vampire wars...sounds awesome, even if dry.
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Post by: LongBlade on September 19, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
I remember you mentioning that when I picked the book up. But Vampire Wars looked more interesting in the description for me. And to be honest a fictional history of vampire wars...sounds awesome, even if dry.

It has its moments. I didn't hate it and I will stop reading a book if I lose interest.

Just be prepared - about the time you're cheering the vampire army storming the castle walls...you'll be reminded why that's a Bad IdeaTM
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Post by: undercovergeek on September 20, 2012, 02:26:28 AM
finally got round to ordering Eisenhorn, and Battle for the Abyss - my next Horus Heresy book
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Post by: W8taminute on September 20, 2012, 07:19:08 AM
^When you start reading Battle for the Abyss let me know what you think.  I'm about half way through it now and it's good.
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Post by: Bismarck on September 22, 2012, 03:27:29 PM
Lynn's Battle and MacPherson's excellent War on the Water
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Post by: undercovergeek on October 01, 2012, 03:00:57 PM
^When you start reading Battle for the Abyss let me know what you think.  I'm about half way through it now and it's good.

Just finished the first epic space battle with the abyss and the hastily built intercept fleet.... Excellent description of a space battle, couldn't put it down til the fight concluded!

Interesting, knowing as I do that the thousand sons and the world eaters turn what's going to happen with the small numbers of each chapter all allied to the ultramarines tiny group
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Post by: W8taminute on October 01, 2012, 08:47:48 PM
^When you start reading Battle for the Abyss let me know what you think.  I'm about half way through it now and it's good.

Just finished the first epic space battle with the abyss and the hastily built intercept fleet.... Excellent description of a space battle, couldn't put it down til the fight concluded!

Interesting, knowing as I do that the thousand sons and the world eaters turn what's going to happen with the small numbers of each chapter all allied to the ultramarines tiny group

Yeah I couldn't put the book down either during that first fight.  I really felt bad for how that turned out but Cestus is an honorable Ultramarine.  Wait until you get further along.  The description of the next battle that takes place after that space combat scene is really good too.  I'm about 150 pages away from finishing the book.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on October 02, 2012, 01:14:28 AM
I've been taking a break from spy stuff and reading through two Cthulhu mythos trilogies from Fantasy Flight Games.  Both trilogies bear the Arkham Horror moniker and both do reference some charaters and locations from the board game.  The first is called the Dark Waters trilogy.  The first book, Ghouls of the Miskatonic, was quite enjoyable.  I wasn't expecting much from a novel published by a game company and related to one of their products but I was pleasantly surprised.   It was rather well written and had an engaging story.

The 2nd book, Bones of the Yopasi, was just released so I grabbed it for the Kindle this week.  I've only finished the first chapter but again, I'm surprised at the quality of the writing so far.

The second trilogy, The Lord of Nightmares, was also decent, but I think I prefer the Dark Waters books.  Dark Waters seems a bit more low key wheras Lord of Nightmares has big name mythos elder gods and inter-dimensional gates and whatnot.  I guess I prefer my horror a little more subdued and grounded.  Just a matter of taste.  Again, only the first two books of the trilogy have been released so far.

http://www.amazon.com/Arkham-Horror-Yopasi-Trilogy-ebook/dp/B008ZPZ3MC/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1349162102&sr=1-1&keywords=bones+of+the+yopasi (http://www.amazon.com/Arkham-Horror-Yopasi-Trilogy-ebook/dp/B008ZPZ3MC/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1349162102&sr=1-1&keywords=bones+of+the+yopasi)
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Post by: Arctic Blast on October 02, 2012, 12:36:24 PM
Blasted through the Deadlands Reloaded Marshall's Handbook. Good grief does that system sound like a lot of fun. Must...run...a...game...!

Next up will be The Rise of Rome by Anthony Everitt.
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Post by: W8taminute on October 02, 2012, 01:09:42 PM
^Sounds like you're trying to get in the mood for some Alea Jacta Est there Arctic.  :)
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Post by: Arctic Blast on October 02, 2012, 10:48:02 PM
^Sounds like you're trying to get in the mood for some Alea Jacta Est there Arctic.  :)

I'll probably pick that up at some point. But no, this is more of the 'Arctic tries to gain a basic understanding of history' project.

Incidentally, once I'm finished this that will be 50 books so far this year.  :)
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 02, 2012, 11:31:23 PM
I need some good space opera!
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Post by: DoctorQuest on October 05, 2012, 10:05:02 AM
I picked up "Saucer" by Steven Coonts at a flea market. It had some mixed reviews but it looks right up my quirky alley.

Still working through the Foundation trilogy. Good stuff. I've heard the term "retro sci-fi". Foundation really fits that bill.
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Post by: republic on October 06, 2012, 07:56:02 PM
I'm finally reading Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein.  Its been on my 'todo' list for years.  I'm about 3/4 through it and I've been jotting down quotes left and right.  As a teacher, my favorite so far has to be "One can lead a child to knowledge, but one cannot make him think"
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Post by: besilarius on October 07, 2012, 03:58:08 PM
Arctic, if you'd like to know a little more about military history, try CWC Oman's Art of WAr in the Middle Ages.
It's pretty old right now, probably written a hundred years ago, but is still a great read.  He doesn't give you everything about a war, or a type of soldier, but touches on what he considers really important things to understand.
He expanded his original one volume work to two volumes, and I'd highly recommend reading this version. 
If you like military history, it is a good read that rarely drags.  You can usually get it via inter library loan.  Pretty certain it is still in print in England, but the chance of finding it for sale here, is almost nil, unless you have a great used book shop.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on October 07, 2012, 09:44:43 PM
Arctic, if you'd like to know a little more about military history, try CWC Oman's Art of WAr in the Middle Ages.
It's pretty old right now, probably written a hundred years ago, but is still a great read.  He doesn't give you everything about a war, or a type of soldier, but touches on what he considers really important things to understand.
He expanded his original one volume work to two volumes, and I'd highly recommend reading this version. 
If you like military history, it is a good read that rarely drags.  You can usually get it via inter library loan.  Pretty certain it is still in print in England, but the chance of finding it for sale here, is almost nil, unless you have a great used book shop.

Thanks for the tip. I'll see if I can find it anywhere around these parts.
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Post by: undercovergeek on October 09, 2012, 05:33:53 PM
^When you start reading Battle for the Abyss let me know what you think.  I'm about half way through it now and it's good.

wow!! just finished, it could be my favourite so far - relentless from page 1 to the end - a great read..............

Mechanicum next, i see your avatar by the way!
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Post by: W8taminute on October 10, 2012, 05:42:28 AM
^When you start reading Battle for the Abyss let me know what you think.  I'm about half way through it now and it's good.

wow!! just finished, it could be my favourite so far - relentless from page 1 to the end - a great read..............

Mechanicum next, i see your avatar by the way!

Yeah!!  Battle for the Abyss was definitely relentless from beginning to end.  What a spectacular ending!  I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as I did.  I'm so ready for Mechanicum as you can see but this XCOM: Enemy Unknown game I started playing last night is taking over my life!  :D
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on October 14, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
I just bought Bernard Cornwell's 1356 for the Kindle.  It's the 4th in his series about an English longbowman fighting in the Hundred Years' War.

It's been so long since I read the last one (2003) that I don't remember much.  I think I might start over from book 1.

 
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Post by: Toonces on October 15, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
I'm working my way through two books right now.  First is The Deluge Vol. 1 by Henryk Sienkiewicz, a follow-up to the previous novel With Fire and Sword.  Once again, I'm finding it a very good book and a real page-turner.

Second up is The Simirillion by J.R.R. Tolkien.  It is much easier to read than I thought it was going to be, and the introduction (sort of a synopsis of the book) really fleshes out The Lord of the Rings.

The Deluge:  http://www.amazon.com/The-Deluge-Henryk-Sienkiewicz/dp/1148732896/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350280717&sr=8-1&keywords=the+deluge+sienkiewicz

There is a free kindle version also (which I am reading).  With Fire and Sword is also free (and you should read it first if you're going to take on "The Trilogy".)
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Post by: W8taminute on October 15, 2012, 08:36:19 AM
I just picked up Ayn Rands 'Atlas Shrugged' but at over 1000 pages in teeny tiny print I have no idea when I'll finish it.  Especially since I'm trying to complete as many books in the Horus Heresy series before the end of the year.
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Post by: MetalDog on October 15, 2012, 10:13:02 PM
Toonces, hope you dig the Silmariliion.  LotR made so much sense with the entire history laid out behind it.

@Republic: My uncle says something similar, "You can lead Einstein to a chalkboard, but you can't make him think."
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Post by: Toonces on October 27, 2012, 06:04:01 PM
Right now I'm reading A Crown in the Heather, book 1 of The Bruce Trilogy about the war between Scotland and England in the 13th/14th centuries.  I don't know too much about this part of history, so it's all new. 

The book got sort of mixed reviews on Amazon, but Book 1 was only $0.99 so I figured it was worth the gamble.  I'm 22% done so far and it's interesting enough. 

There is also another Bruce Trilogy that is only in print.  I'm going to pick that version up soon as well.

A Crown in the Heather:  http://www.amazon.com/Crown-Heather-Bruce-Trilogy-ebook/dp/B003V5X9N6/ref=tmm_kin_title_0

I'm also working my way through The Deluge, Part 1 (of 2).  Pretty good, although it's just a long book no matter how you slice it.  I like the story, though.  It's free, so what's to complain about?

The Deluge:  http://www.amazon.com/Deluge-Historical-Poland-Russia-ebook/dp/B005JEE7T2/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1351382618&sr=1-1&keywords=the+deluge+sienkiewicz

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Post by: Arctic Blast on October 28, 2012, 12:11:41 AM
Eldritch Tales, an HP Lovecraft collection.
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Post by: undercovergeek on October 28, 2012, 03:54:00 AM
Right now I'm reading A Crown in the Heather, book 1 of The Bruce Trilogy about the war between Scotland and England in the 13th/14th centuries.  I don't know too much about this part of history, so it's all new. 

The book got sort of mixed reviews on Amazon, but Book 1 was only $0.99 so I figured it was worth the gamble.  I'm 22% done so far and it's interesting enough. 

There is also another Bruce Trilogy that is only in print.  I'm going to pick that version up soon as well.

A Crown in the Heather:  http://www.amazon.com/Crown-Heather-Bruce-Trilogy-ebook/dp/B003V5X9N6/ref=tmm_kin_title_0

I'm also working my way through The Deluge, Part 1 (of 2).  Pretty good, although it's just a long book no matter how you slice it.  I like the story, though.  It's free, so what's to complain about?

The Deluge:  http://www.amazon.com/Deluge-Historical-Poland-Russia-ebook/dp/B005JEE7T2/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1351382618&sr=1-1&keywords=the+deluge+sienkiewicz

The Bruce trilogy - CkII inspired?
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on October 28, 2012, 08:12:21 AM
Found a cheap book by accident called Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois.  It's a murder mystery set in a 1972 Boston where the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis went hot resulting in the destruction of the USSR and several US cities.  America is still recovering and Britain, France, Germany, and Japan are the world powers vying for influence in the struggling US, and this all ties into the murder.  Well written and researched.  I thought about putting this in the WWIII literature thread but seemed more appropriate here.


http://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Day-ebook/dp/B00702ZBNC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1351433434&sr=8-2&keywords=resurrection+day
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Post by: Gusington on October 28, 2012, 09:04:24 AM
^That sounds great!

Arctic tell me more about Eldritch Tales. I have a few Lovecraft collections but they are pretty old.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on October 28, 2012, 03:23:42 PM
^That sounds great!

Arctic tell me more about Eldritch Tales. I have a few Lovecraft collections but they are pretty old.

There's actually quite a few quick little short stories in it that I haven't seen elsewhere. The downside is, some of them are clearly B-side type material.
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Post by: mirth on October 28, 2012, 04:04:37 PM
Lynn's Battle and MacPherson's excellent War on the Water

War on the Water is fantastic. I'm currently reading it, about halfway through. It's a real gem.
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Post by: Gusington on October 28, 2012, 04:51:12 PM
B material eh? But even b Lovecraft material is still Lovecraft!
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Post by: republic on October 28, 2012, 05:47:11 PM
I just finished Ender's Game.  I've been trying to go squeeze in some Sci-fi classics as I can.

Up next I'm thinking of reading  "Leadership: The Warrior's Art" by Christopher D. Kolenda.  I stumbled upon it in the Marine Corp reading list.  Does anyone have a recommendation on a good book on leadership?  I'm trying to work on that in my professional life.
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Post by: Staggerwing on October 28, 2012, 06:16:48 PM
Apparently the 'Ender's Game' movie is in post-production. Please let them not Eff it up...
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Post by: Gusington on October 28, 2012, 06:41:58 PM
I read Ender's Game so long ago I don't remember anything about it.

I am currently reading Food for the Dead, a non-fiction book on New England vampire folklore. It's really good. I would love to find a job somewhere as an colonial-era professor of folklore.
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Post by: besilarius on October 28, 2012, 08:29:32 PM
Republic, you might enjoy Anthony Price' Eyes of the Fleet.
It's about leadership during the Age of Sail.  Pre radio, and everyone has to make decisions with no one looking over your shoulder.
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Post by: besilarius on October 28, 2012, 08:31:01 PM
Oh, and Defeat into Victory by Field marshal William Slim of Burma.
A simply amazing read on how the British 14th Army defended India.
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Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on October 30, 2012, 01:30:26 AM
http://theoatmeal.com/kill (http://theoatmeal.com/kill)



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Post by: RiO_ on October 31, 2012, 03:52:12 PM
Just started "No Easy Day" and Im having a blast so far!  8)
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Post by: bob48 on October 31, 2012, 04:03:12 PM
Just arrived today from good 'ol amazon - 'Rommel's Desert War - The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps'.
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Post by: W8taminute on October 31, 2012, 04:45:14 PM
^Now that sounds like a good book. 
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Post by: bob48 on October 31, 2012, 04:59:02 PM
Only had a quick flip through it, but it seems interesting. There is a lot of stuff about Rommel's early life that I have not seen before. The book goes up to El Alamein, so I'm now looking for one to continue up to the defeat of DAK in Tunisia.

The book is in the Stackpole Military History series BTW, and they are quite cheap to buy on amazon.

I also need to do some reading up on the NA campaign as background material for a projected future add-on to the NaW series games by LnL. We are hoping to put out a Cobra type expansion to follow the release of Desert Heat.
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Post by: W8taminute on October 31, 2012, 05:01:07 PM
Cool.  I'll have to check out Amazon right now in between answering the door for trick or treaters.  I love to hear about people who research history as they put together a scenario or wargame.  I wish I had more time to do this myself.  Good luck with your efforts!
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Post by: bob48 on October 31, 2012, 05:08:24 PM
Thanks W8 - there are several NaW projects being worked on just now, and i'll post any future news in the boardgaming section.

I should add that ace scenario designer Matt Lohse is one of the driving forces behind some of these projects, so anyone who has played his WaW / NaW scenario's will know what good stuff he produces.
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Post by: republic on October 31, 2012, 07:31:55 PM
Republic, you might enjoy Anthony Price' Eyes of the Fleet.
It's about leadership during the Age of Sail.  Pre radio, and everyone has to make decisions with no one looking over your shoulder.

Thank-you for the recommendations besilarius, I'll look into those!
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 31, 2012, 09:31:39 PM
where to start....

The Junior Officers Reading Club: Killing Time and Fighting Wars by Patrick Hennessey
great soldiers view of Iraq, Afganistan and the British military  cheeky humor for sure!

latest additions to the Lost Fleet series are ok.  more of the same but not bad at all.

latest few additions to the Honor Harrington series.  with three story lines and three
book series to go with them theres enough diversity that its still really fun to read.

with much effort and without a doubt the second most difficult book Ive ever made myself
finish is now Russia at War by Alexander Worth.  it takes talent to make Stalingrad boring.
for what its worth Glantz's on Leningrad was THE most dry boring book I never finished.

Republic... how have you not read Enders Game?!

Staggerwing... the movie will suck.  theres just to much from such a short book.  remember,
this is the Hollywood that screwed up the Hitchhickers movie.

that Rommel book is fairly decent.  most of the Stackpole series is very good.
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Post by: republic on November 01, 2012, 06:54:54 PM
Lol I'm not sure why I waited so long.

I read all The Lost Fleet books.  It bothers me that "Blackjack John Geary" is too flawless.  And For the Honor of our Ancestors, the author uses certain phrases over and over lol

I really enjoyed RM Meluch's Merrimack series.  Also Alan Dean Foster's Pip and Flix and Louis McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan Saga.
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Post by: MetalDog on November 05, 2012, 07:42:09 PM
I'm with Starfury on both observations of Ender's Game.  And I would also recommend you stop there.  Otherwise, you will ruin a great sci-fi classic.
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Post by: Martok on November 05, 2012, 11:24:47 PM
Have been rereading the "Celtic Crusades" trilogy by Stephen R. Lawhead.  Currently, I'm a little over halfway through The Black Rood, the second book.  I sometimes forget just how much I love his conjuration of the medieval period. 





I'm with Starfury on both observations of Ender's Game.  And I would also recommend you stop there.  Otherwise, you will ruin a great sci-fi classic.

So you'd recommend I stay away from Ender's Shadow and Shadows of the Hegemon


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Post by: MetalDog on November 06, 2012, 04:52:28 AM
I was thinking Speaker For the Dead and Xenocide.  Not sure what the other two are.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 06, 2012, 06:49:07 AM
Have been rereading the "Celtic Crusades" trilogy by Stephen R. Lawhead.  Currently, I'm a little over halfway through The Black Rood, the second book.  I sometimes forget just how much I love his conjuration of the medieval period. 





I'm with Starfury on both observations of Ender's Game.  And I would also recommend you stop there.  Otherwise, you will ruin a great sci-fi classic.

no no no no   the books are great!  its the movie thats going to suck.

So you'd recommend I stay away from Ender's Shadow and Shadows of the Hegemon?

the whole series is good but, like Dune, it gets long winded the further you get into it.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on November 06, 2012, 02:59:52 PM
Finished the Lovecraft collection and am about half way through the second Blood Angels omnibus.
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Post by: eyebiter on November 06, 2012, 07:34:19 PM
Just started The Founding - Gaunt's Ghosts Omnibus.
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Post by: Gusington on November 06, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
I was just thinking that I could really go for some WH or WH40K reading. I may start the Vampire Wars omnibus soon.
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Post by: Greybriar on November 12, 2012, 12:37:48 PM
I felt it would be appropriate to read The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on November 12, 2012, 02:41:17 PM
Tore through the Blood Angels 2nd omnibus...really good stuff. I've always been a fan of the Space Wolves, but I'm coming around to the Blood Angels chapter as I read about them.

Now it's on to the Savage Worlds : Agents of Oblivion setting book. You can run a full bore spies game, or bring in the supernatural, or do something more X-Files like, or mash it all together in any way you want to. Sounds intriguing.
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Post by: W8taminute on December 06, 2012, 08:23:21 AM
Finished Mechanicum by Graham MacNeil last night.  What can I say, yet another book in the Horus Heresy series that is well written.  As with all the previous books in the series it tells another aspect of Horus' treachery in a gut wrenching and infuriating style.  Brilliant ending that saw my emotions go from hope, to despair, to outrage, and to hope again.

Picked up Tales of Heresy from Barnes and Noble last night but while I was there I read through some of:

http://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Prophetic-Statesman-James-Humes/dp/1596987758/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354807085&sr=1-1&keywords=churchill+prophetic

Excellent book.  I would have snatched this title immediately were it not for it's pricey tag in store.  It's cheaper as you can see on Amazon.  Maybe I'll ask Santa for this for Christmas.   :)
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Post by: undercovergeek on December 06, 2012, 09:29:59 AM
Tore through the Blood Angels 2nd omnibus

they have their own book?
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Post by: Martok on December 06, 2012, 09:51:18 AM
Tolkien's Silmarillion.  This is only my second time reading it, and I'm noticing a lot more things now. 


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Post by: Arctic Blast on December 06, 2012, 01:45:06 PM
Tore through the Blood Angels 2nd omnibus

they have their own book?

2 Omnibuses, actually. I believe each of those is 2 books, then some new short story material. Pretty good, actually. The Space Wolves, Ultramarines, Hammers of Dorn,  Soul Drinkers (though their stuff gets decidedly...weird...) and Salamanders all have their own series named for their chapters, too. Dan Abnett also did a single book following the Iron Snakes. And there are a bunch of one off books in the Space Marines Novella series (all have white covers) covering specific campaigns by others.
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Post by: bob48 on December 06, 2012, 02:31:43 PM
I'm just about to start R.Scott.Bakker's 'The White-Luck Warrior', which is book 2 in the 'Aspect-Emperor' set.
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Post by: MetalDog on December 06, 2012, 06:31:55 PM
I'm just about to start R.Scott.Bakker's 'The White-Luck Warrior', which is book 2 in the 'Aspect-Emperor' set.

Bakker is a fantastic author!  I would recommend him to anyone.  And all you sophisticated fantasy readers, if you have not heard of, or read, Bakker, you should correct that immediately.  It's VERY intense reading, so be prepared to use your grey matter


Tolkien's Silmarillion.  This is only my second time reading it, and I'm noticing a lot more things now.

Martok, The Silmarillion is a source of great joy and great consternation for me.  To see what the master had in mind.  To have fleshed out thousands of years of history that was only hinted at in LotR and the Appendices is a dream come true.  To have the ring tied to the Two Trees and the gods of Middle Earth is  too cool for school.  The problem is, there are giant holes in the narrative.  The pacing is uneven and it appears that some stuff is just papered over.  So, I love the book, I just overlook the flaws.
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Post by: Greybriar on December 07, 2012, 04:49:09 AM
I am currently reading The Wandering Fire, the second book of The Fionawar Tapestry trilogy by Guy Gavriel Kay.
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Post by: Martok on December 07, 2012, 01:43:41 PM
I'm just about to start R.Scott.Bakker's 'The White-Luck Warrior', which is book 2 in the 'Aspect-Emperor' set.

Bakker is a fantastic author!  I would recommend him to anyone.  And all you sophisticated fantasy readers, if you have not heard of, or read, Bakker, you should correct that immediately.  It's VERY intense reading, so be prepared to use your grey matter

Duly noted.  I shall add him to my (ever-growing!) list. 




Tolkien's Silmarillion.  This is only my second time reading it, and I'm noticing a lot more things now.

Martok, The Silmarillion is a source of great joy and great consternation for me.  To see what the master had in mind.  To have fleshed out thousands of years of history that was only hinted at in LotR and the Appendices is a dream come true.  To have the ring tied to the Two Trees and the gods of Middle Earth is  too cool for school.  The problem is, there are giant holes in the narrative.  The pacing is uneven and it appears that some stuff is just papered over.  So, I love the book, I just overlook the flaws.

Yeah, you can definitely tell it wasn't completely finished, and that Christopher cobbled it together the best he could.  I ignore the flaws & continuity errors as well. 

I wanted to read The Silmarillion ever since I saw that mention of Gondolin in The Hobbit and references to ages long past.  However, it took me over ten years after reading Hobbit and the LotR trilogy before I actually picked it up, as I was intimidated by almost-universal accounts about how much denser and harder to get through The Silmarillion was compared other four books.  I'm very glad I did, though! 


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Post by: MetalDog on December 07, 2012, 04:59:11 PM
The densest part, in my opinion, is the beginning.  Once you get past that, it's all gravy.
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Post by: Hiimori on December 09, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
I interrupted my Horus Heresy marathon to read "Ambush: The War between the S.A.S. and the I.R.A." by Anthony Bainbridge, Robin Morgan, and James Adams (Author). It's was written in 1988, and offers interesting background information and insights into organization, structure, and tactics both of the SAS and the IRA.
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Post by: Staggerwing on December 09, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
Interesting. I might have to add that one to my wishlist. Thanks for letting us know about it.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on December 09, 2012, 04:34:12 PM
I'm about 320 pages in to Napoleon Bonaparte by Alan Schom. Good so far.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on December 09, 2012, 05:36:34 PM
He dies in the end.
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Post by: Staggerwing on December 09, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
What about in the graphic novel?
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on December 09, 2012, 05:50:48 PM
Is that the one where they ret-conned him and made him a Parkour specialist with twin Uzis that allowed him to take Moscow via the cunning use of sweet jumps and circle kicks?
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Post by: Staggerwing on December 09, 2012, 06:05:51 PM
No. I'm referring to the one where he is turns out to be a Cyberdyne Systems T-triple-eight.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on December 09, 2012, 06:10:36 PM
Oh yeah.  No, he still dies in the end of that one.  I think he comes back as a cross dressing vampire or something.
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Post by: MetalDog on December 09, 2012, 08:40:31 PM
I'm about 320 pages in to Napoleon Bonaparte by Alan Schom. Good so far.

I enjoyed that book.  I learned quite a bit about Napoleon that way.  I asked an opinion of the book of one of the Napoleon honks over at ACG and he basically said the book was lies and half truths.  That the author had some axe to grind.  Whatever.  I still liked it.
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Post by: Bison on December 09, 2012, 09:19:49 PM
Well I've finally managed enough man time to finish No Easy Day.  Not sure what's up next on the throne reading list.
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Post by: GroggyGrognard on December 10, 2012, 12:07:30 AM
I am currently reading The Wandering Fire, the second book of The Fionawar Tapestry trilogy by Guy Gavriel Kay.

My father read this trilogy years and years ago; he thoroughly enjoyed it. I haven't gotten to it, yet. I read Kay's Tigana some years back. Great fantasy book.

Groggy
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on December 10, 2012, 12:42:35 AM
Well I've finally managed enough man time to finish No Easy Day.  Not sure what's up next on the throne reading list.


for the record man is spent in a garage, shooting range or something not involving books.
while Im a huge advocate of reading, I think its more properly classified as non-porn alone time.  ;)
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Post by: Longdan on December 10, 2012, 09:39:14 AM
Since when do men read anyway?  A Real Man already knows.
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Post by: Bison on December 10, 2012, 02:52:36 PM
Well I've finally managed enough man time to finish No Easy Day.  Not sure what's up next on the throne reading list.


for the record man is spent in a garage, shooting range or something not involving books.
while Im a huge advocate of reading, I think its more properly classified as non-porn alone time.  ;)

And while taking a dump which involves reading materials.
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Post by: eyebiter on December 10, 2012, 03:42:10 PM
The Walking Dead: The Road to Woodbury

At the mountains of madness (graphic novel)
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on December 10, 2012, 04:43:02 PM
Since when do men read anyway?  A Real Man already knows.

chiltons manuals and those great articles in Playboy.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on December 10, 2012, 04:44:26 PM
The Walking Dead: The Road to Woodbury

At the mountains of madness (graphic novel)

Ive read through the whole comic and it makes that month to month wait painful.
the great thing is how much the show deviates from the comic so I still dont know whats going to happen.
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Post by: Bison on December 11, 2012, 02:31:14 PM
Once an Eagle by Anton Myrer
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Post by: Gusington on December 11, 2012, 04:35:08 PM
I do my greatest studying on the throne.
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Post by: Bison on December 11, 2012, 04:57:39 PM
Well Once an Eagle is roughly 1300 pages.   Average 4 pages or so.  I should finish the book sometime in 2015.
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Post by: Gusington on December 11, 2012, 05:22:02 PM
Wow. I've read maybe three books in my whole life at 1000+ pages...a book on the Crusades, a book on the French and Indian War and the third one escapes me...between 300-400 pages is my sweet spot.
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Post by: Bison on December 11, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
Well if you ever read the Game of Thrones series, it's 1000+ a book.  They read very fast though.  I think Once an Eagle will read fast too based on my first sitting so to speak.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on December 12, 2012, 02:01:51 AM
on my list:

http://www.amazon.com/House-An-Epic-Memoir-War/dp/1416596607
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Post by: besilarius on December 12, 2012, 05:13:10 AM
Gus, if you're intrigued by Once an Eagle, there was a TV mini-series that probably ran six hours back about twenty years ago.  Could probably find it on Amazon.
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Post by: Gusington on December 12, 2012, 09:25:30 AM
Thanks Bes. Bison I read the first Game of Thrones, it took me about three weeks, IIRC.
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Post by: Steelgrave on December 12, 2012, 10:05:41 AM
Once an Eagle by Anton Myrer

That's an old favorite and I have a well-read copy on my bookshelf. It was also a mini-series in the 70's starring Sam Elliot.  It's on Netflix and is well worth watching.
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Post by: Steelgrave on December 12, 2012, 10:08:04 AM
Once an Eagle by Anton Myrer

That's an old favorite and I have a well-read copy on my bookshelf. It was also a mini-series in the 70's starring Sam Elliot.  I don't know if it's available, but it is definitely worth watching.

Actually, I just checked....you can pick up the DVD on Amazon for under $10.00. I'm going to grab it myself.
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Post by: Bison on December 12, 2012, 07:59:54 PM
I haven't read it yet so I'm hesistant to watch it first.
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Post by: Martok on December 13, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
I finally finished The Silmarillion, and have now started reading The Callahan Chronicles by Spider Robinson. 


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Post by: besilarius on December 13, 2012, 04:49:48 PM
Spider Robinson was great.  He could have walked into Callahan's and been a regular customer.
I think he used to attend a lot of the East Coast Sci Fi Conventions.  If you didn't know who he was, his stories made for a great evening.
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Post by: Shelldrake on December 14, 2012, 09:15:06 AM
I am working my way through David Weber's Empire from the Ashes trilogy. A light read but an entertaining space opera.
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Post by: Greybriar on December 16, 2012, 08:31:37 PM
I am currently reading The Wandering Fire, the second book of The Fionawar Tapestry trilogy by Guy Gavriel Kay.

My father read this trilogy years and years ago; he thoroughly enjoyed it. I haven't gotten to it, yet. I read Kay's Tigana some years back. Great fantasy book.

Groggy

Thanks for the tip about Tigana. I finished The Wandering Fire and am reading The Darkest Road now (it is the third book in the trilogy). I will read Tigana next.
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Post by: Longdan on December 19, 2012, 06:16:02 PM
"Vanished Kingdoms" by Norman Davies.  A history of many of the now vanished
kingdoms of Europe..like Savoy, Burgundy etc.
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Post by: Gusington on December 21, 2012, 09:54:53 PM
I am a little nervous to admit this but I did not enjoy Guns of August much. I slogged through the first half and it was a slow read except for the chapters specifically about the German invasion of Belgium. The second half I skimmed to the end. It was dense, and difficult to read. I know it's like a holy canon in the field but I thought it was going to be so much better. And I am disappointed in myself that I was disappointed in the book :/

Oh well. At least it helped me get over my WWI fixation for now and I am moving on to this:

http://www.amazon.com/Something-Red-Novel-Douglas-Nicholas/dp/1451660073/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356152017&sr=1-1&keywords=something+red
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Post by: MetalDog on December 22, 2012, 05:08:27 AM
That Something Red sounds pretty good, Gus.  Let us know what you think.
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Post by: Staggerwing on December 22, 2012, 05:32:18 AM
Definitely. I've added it to my wish list whilst awaiting a pithy critique from Gus.
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on December 22, 2012, 09:12:25 AM
I am a little nervous to admit this but I did not enjoy Guns of August much. I slogged through the first half and it was a slow read except for the chapters specifically about the German invasion of Belgium. The second half I skimmed to the end. It was dense, and difficult to read. I know it's like a holy canon in the field but I thought it was going to be so much better. And I am disappointed in myself that I was disappointed in the book :/

Oh well. At least it helped me get over my WWI fixation for now and I am moving on to this:

http://www.amazon.com/Something-Red-Novel-Douglas-Nicholas/dp/1451660073/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356152017&sr=1-1&keywords=something+red

Maybe too late to suggest, but I listened to Guns of August on audiobook and it was fascinating.
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Post by: Gusington on December 22, 2012, 03:06:19 PM
Who read it on the audio book? Glad to see you posting and that you have some form of web access still!

About 12 pages in on Something Red...can't judge yet.
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Post by: eyebiter on December 22, 2012, 04:51:01 PM
Troubled Water - Race, Mutiny, and Bravery on the USS Kittyhawk

October 12, 1972 during Operation Linebacker there was an "incident" on board the carrier. A race riot by a mob of black sailors randomly attacking white crewman.
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on December 24, 2012, 11:01:59 AM
Who read it on the audio book? Glad to see you posting and that you have some form of web access still!


Yeah, there's a contractor on our FOB that offers wireless internet.  It's pricey and slow but it lets me skype with the wif and kids and post here  :)
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Post by: Gusington on December 24, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
^Awesome man. Merry Xmas!
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Post by: MetalDog on December 24, 2012, 12:10:12 PM
^Awesome man. Merry Xmas!

+1!
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Post by: TheCommandTent on December 24, 2012, 03:33:25 PM
Almost done with World War Z that I got as an early Christmas present.
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Post by: Gusington on December 24, 2012, 05:57:48 PM
^Loved that book, quick read.
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Post by: Martok on December 25, 2012, 02:26:56 AM
Am halfway through The Alloy of Law by Brandon Sanderson.  It's been a very good read so far. 


It's a standalone novel in his Mistborn universe, taking place a few centuries after the events of the original trilogy.  Technology has advanced to roughly the Victorian age, with railroads, skyscrapers, and electricity becoming common.  Some of the action takes place out in "the Roughs", which is that world's equivalent to the American "Wild West" -- an aspect I'm finding to be surprisingly interesting. 

I have to admit, it's refreshing to read a novel taking place in a fantasy universe where said universe *doesn't* stay locked in medieval stasis.  Not that I don't also enjoy that as well, but it's nice to see a fantasy series not always follow that particular trope. 


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Post by: Staggerwing on December 25, 2012, 05:07:14 AM
Did you read the first three Mistborn books? How were they?
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Post by: Martok on December 25, 2012, 07:56:38 AM
Did you read the first three Mistborn books? How were they?

Yes, I have read the original trilogy.  (It's why I was interested in checking out Alloy of Law in the first place.)  It's very, very good...but with a couple caveats. 



First off, the pacing is wildly uneven at times.  You'll go through chapters where absolutely nothing seems to happen -- and/or worse, doesn't seem to even add to the story (although it can later turn out they included scenes that were *very* relevant in an unexpected way).  On the flip side, you'll have chapters where there's suddenly so much going on (action scenes, revelations/answers, etc.) and hitting you all at once, that you're left reeling. 

The other main thing to mention is that while Sanderson writes damn good fantasy, he loves deconstructing the genre at the same time.  In his books, you'll see a lot of tropes common to fantasy literature being constantly lampshaded, subverted, inverted, and/or flat-out averted...all while still being played straight!  (I realize that sentence probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but you'll see what I mean if you read the books.)  It's a fairly ingenious storytelling method, especially as it helps keep the reader guessing, but it's not going to appeal to everyone. 


All that being said, however, I still strongly recommend the trilogy.  While the books feel like they're really dragging sometimes, and the near-constant deconstruction of fantasy stories (especially in-universe) can be a turn-off for some folks, the payoff in the end is HUGE -- absolutely, enormously, epically HUGE.  The HSQ at the end of the first book is big, and the HSQ at the end of each subsequent book is an order of magnitude bigger than the one preceding it. 

The trilogy's uneven pacing (especially the slower parts) often made me wonder if the ending was worth it. 

It is. 


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Post by: undercovergeek on December 25, 2012, 08:05:45 AM
+1 to all of this, i loved the first two and was half way thru the 3rd when i left it on a plane, for 6 months i couldnt be bothered to replace it, some of it is hard work, but bought it again and started from the beginning - great book, spectacular unseen ending

just finished the Eisenhorn trilogy - as you guys said, great, great read, sorry to see it go, looking now for something to replace it - might turn to the boold angels
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Post by: Shelldrake on December 25, 2012, 09:24:20 AM
Just started Red Inferno 1945 by Robert Conroy. So far an enjoyable alternate history read along the lines of Fox on the Rhine.
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Post by: Barthheart on December 25, 2012, 09:30:05 AM
Just finished re-reading The Hobbit in prep for seeing the movie.
It's been more than 30 years since I read it last.  :o
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Post by: besilarius on December 25, 2012, 09:53:19 AM
Anthony Price wrote a series of spy novels back during the Cold War, and I'm reading them again.
He wrote contemporaneously with Le Carre, so his books never made the splash of Le Carre.
However, I like them better.  The people are more human, the problems are not so opaque and far more understandable (once the crew at R&D have pieced the plots together), and the author and the main character are fascinated by historical conundrums. 
This is a weakness that the Soviets sometimes build into thier plans, but you can't tell if it is just a quirk, or a real plot device.  Since I love historical minutia, it feeds into my interests.
If you're curious about a Cold War spy novel that is good, try October Men, War Games, or Other Paths to Glory.  My favorites in the series.
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Post by: Staggerwing on December 25, 2012, 10:50:16 AM
Thanks Martok and Geek. I'll ad them to my wishlist. I'm just getting ready to start Charles Stross' 'the Laundry Files' series.

just finished the Eisenhorn trilogy - as you guys said, great, great read, sorry to see it go, looking now for something to replace it - might turn to the boold angels

I just finished 'Raveno'r. It's a good counterpoint to 'Eisenhorn'. You may want to give it a go. I'm really looking forward to the next series, 'Eisenhorn vs Ravenor', IIRC.
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Post by: Hiimori on December 25, 2012, 02:51:15 PM
Currently visiting my parents, sister, niece and nephew for Christmas... the perfect opportunity for finishing "The Primarchs", a WH40k Horus Heresy anthology featuring 4 novellas about the Primarchs Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus, Lion El'Johnson and Alpharius (with Omegon, of course ;)).

I finished Fulgrim's story "The Reflection Crack'd" some weeks ago (the novella picks up where the novel "Fulgrim" ended and shows much of the Emperor's Children's obsession with perversion... uhm... I mean... perfection), and now I'm reading "Feat of Iron" about Ferrus Manus and his Iron Hands Legion. Ferrus and the Iron Hands are not among my most favorite Primarchs or legions, so I'm not too deeply involved into their fate, but so far, the novella is cool nevertheless.

Lion and his Dark Angels got much screen time in the Horus Heresy novels so far, but it will be interesting to read and learn more about Alpharius and his sneaky Alpha Legion.
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Post by: bob48 on December 25, 2012, 05:09:32 PM
Just started 'Exit Rommel - The Tunisian Campaign 1942-43'. This is another Stackpole book, my collection of which is growing quite nicely.

Since I got the Dawn of War package in the Steam Sale, my old passion for WH40K has been somewhat revivied, so I may have to look at some of the books that you fella's have been going on about!
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Post by: Gusington on December 28, 2012, 10:30:37 AM
Anyone read the Warhammer Thunder and Steel omnibus by Dan Abnett? Gets mixed reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Steel-Warhammer-Omnibus-Abnett/dp/1849700230/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356715202&sr=1-1&keywords=Thunder+and+Steel
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Post by: Bison on December 28, 2012, 10:33:36 AM
Agenda 21 by Glenn Beck.  I got it for Christmas and it's actually a pretty good scifi book. 
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Post by: Longdan on December 28, 2012, 12:49:50 PM
I got "World War Z" as an audio book.  I drive a lot.
I had to quit listening when the Israelis offered to
rescue all the Palestinians.  I believe in zombies but
that was too much.
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Post by: Bison on December 28, 2012, 12:52:55 PM
I listened to World War Z driving through the Yukon.
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Post by: Windigo on December 28, 2012, 02:03:19 PM
I listened to World War Z driving through the Yukon.

the enemy of my Z-enemy is my friend
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Post by: eyebiter on December 28, 2012, 04:42:30 PM
Triumph by Ben Bova. Alternate history novel starting April 1, 1945.  What if Churchill plotted to take out Stalin during spring 1945?  What if the Allies pressed the attack on Berlin instead of letting the Soviets take eastern Germany and Austria? 
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Post by: TheCommandTent on December 28, 2012, 06:32:53 PM
I got "World War Z" as an audio book.  I drive a lot.
I had to quit listening when the Israelis offered to
rescue all the Palestinians.  I believe in zombies but
that was too much.

Thats to bad you are missing out on a good book.
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Post by: Toonces on December 28, 2012, 08:39:10 PM
I'm still working my way through The Deluge, Vol. 2.  Very good book, free, and I highly recommend the trilogy.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on December 29, 2012, 01:23:57 AM
I just ordered Starshine by John Wilcox for my Kindle. 

The blurb:

Quote
1914. Outnumbered British forces are desperately trying to hold off the oncoming German soldiers in France. Star shells fly high into the night, illuminating the chaos, violence and death taking place in the French trenches below.

Like so many other men, Jim Hickman and Bertie Murphy are plunged into this nightmare. As the war progresses, Jim receives honour after honour, whilst Bertie sinks deep into depression.

Wilcox perfectly captures the horror and tragedy of the First World War in this vivid and moving novel.
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Post by: Longdan on December 29, 2012, 11:24:49 AM
Try Covenant With Death by John Harris.
If you want a dose of WWI.  It is a story of one
of the "Pals battalions" from August 1914 until
July 1st, 1916.
-> Warning to Gus: I cannot be responsible for
your emotional condition if you read this book.
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Post by: Gusington on December 29, 2012, 12:18:02 PM
^I just won't play Toy Soldiers while reading it.
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Post by: Longdan on December 29, 2012, 02:32:07 PM
It puts a grim light on Toy Soldiers much more so than Gins of August.
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Post by: Gusington on December 29, 2012, 05:24:30 PM
I was actually disappointed in the second half of Guns of August...it dragged.
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Post by: Longdan on December 29, 2012, 06:19:00 PM
Well you knew how it was gonna turn out so I guess
that little element of surprise wasn't there.  No tension.
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Post by: Steelgrave on December 29, 2012, 07:10:42 PM
This week's reading menu included "The Girl Who Played With Fire" by Steig Larsson (excellent) and "Hater" by David Moody (interesting). Next up is either "The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest" by Larsson or "Creole Belle" by James Lee Burke. The sequel to "Hater" is in the mail but I will likely read it after I finish these two.
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Post by: Greybriar on December 30, 2012, 05:43:24 AM
Sherlock Holmes: 24 Classic Short Stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
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Post by: Bison on December 30, 2012, 08:31:26 AM
Sherlock Holmes: 24 Classic Short Stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

My favorite read of all time.  Sherlock Holmes.  I think I've read the complete collection 5 or 6 times.
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Post by: MetalDog on December 30, 2012, 10:36:33 AM
Sherlock Holmes: 24 Classic Short Stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

My favorite read of all time.  Sherlock Holmes.  I think I've read the complete collection 5 or 6 times.


I've read it at least twice.  And with my perpetual short term memory loss, it's like new stories every time :)
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Post by: bob48 on December 30, 2012, 11:54:38 AM
Sherlock Holmes: 24 Classic Short Stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

My favorite read of all time.  Sherlock Holmes.  I think I've read the complete collection 5 or 6 times.


I've read it at least twice.  And with my perpetual short term memory loss, it's like new stories every time :)

...so, you may have actually read it more than twice........... ;)
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Post by: MetalDog on December 30, 2012, 01:20:57 PM
Sherlock Holmes: 24 Classic Short Stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

My favorite read of all time.  Sherlock Holmes.  I think I've read the complete collection 5 or 6 times.


I've read it at least twice.  And with my perpetual short term memory loss, it's like new stories every time :)

...so, you may have actually read it more than twice........... ;)


That certainly is a possibility, bob.  Although, I would have to remember what it is we were talking about in order to verify anything for sure.
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Post by: Martok on December 30, 2012, 03:20:08 PM
Just started David Weber's Midst Toil and Tribulation, the sixth book in his Safehold series.  I received it as a Christmas gift (it was at the top of my list!).  :) 


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Post by: Gusington on December 30, 2012, 06:16:58 PM
Anyone read The Mongoliad?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1612182364/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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Post by: Bison on December 30, 2012, 06:18:31 PM
That actually sounds like a really good series Gus.  I might have to read that myself.
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Post by: Staggerwing on December 30, 2012, 06:32:06 PM
I have the first book on my Kindle but have not gotten to it yet. I really do need to move it up a few notches in reading order though...
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Post by: Gusington on December 30, 2012, 06:34:12 PM
Yeah I remember looking at it a while back. The collaborative thing sounds a little odd and there are some 'meh' reviews but how bad could a series about surviving the Mongol invasion be?

'Wing be our guinea pig and read that som'bitch.
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Post by: Staggerwing on December 30, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
Alright but I'll need to juggle it with reading a certain Xmas present book as well. Also, don't expect any book report beyond what a 10 9 year old might write...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on December 30, 2012, 06:53:53 PM
Alright but I'll need to juggle it with reading a certain Xmas present book as well. Also, don't expect any book report beyond what a 10 9 year old might write...

As if anyone was expecting or willing or had the ability here to do anything better.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on December 30, 2012, 07:41:41 PM
Anyone read The Mongoliad?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1612182364/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

You guys need to stop posting these interesting looking books.  I am a horribly slow reader and my reading list is already to long.  ::)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on December 30, 2012, 09:52:37 PM
I read a few entries and I find myself in the bookstore
with no memory of how I got there.......
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on December 31, 2012, 09:48:22 AM
I used to read voraciously when I commuted on the train but now that I don't anymore I read mostly on the can and late at night, which has turned me into a slow reader. When I get desperate, like with the 2nd half of Guns of August, I will speed read.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Windigo on December 31, 2012, 11:21:54 AM
I got this for Christmas...

(http://www.amberbooks.co.uk/sites/default/files/cover-large/ID%20Panzer%20JKT%20AMBER.jpg?2011)

so I guess I will be reading it
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on December 31, 2012, 11:24:30 AM
I got this for Christmas...

(http://www.amberbooks.co.uk/sites/default/files/cover-large/ID%20Panzer%20JKT%20AMBER.jpg?2011)

so I guess I will be reading it

Nice Christmas present. I'm jealous. I got dress socks and a desk organizer.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on December 31, 2012, 01:25:09 PM
I buyed that one for meself.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: endfire79 on January 01, 2013, 10:59:35 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Last-Lion-Churchill-1940-1965/dp/0316547700

Churchill, the Last Lion: Defender of the Realm

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on January 03, 2013, 07:35:59 AM
Just started David Weber's Midst Toil and Tribulation, the sixth book in his Safehold series.  I received it as a Christmas gift (it was at the top of my list!).  :)

A tweet from David Weber
Quote
40,000 words into "Like A Mighty Army," Safehold #7...Should be out on shelves September 2013!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 03, 2013, 01:36:48 PM
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h412/Rotarrin/Other/MrBurns.jpg)


Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 03, 2013, 06:09:01 PM
I just got a copy of Desperate Sons which is a narrative
about the "Sons of Liberty" and their activities in the North American
Colonies prior to the War Where America Told Britain To Sod Off.
It is looking really fascinating with tons of period background.
edit.  sorry author is Les Standiford.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Pinetree on January 05, 2013, 08:21:14 PM
Just finished Through Struggle the Stars (http://www.thehumanreach.net/) by John J. Lumpkin. Quite possibly the best hard sci-fi novel I've ever read. Everything about the setting and story seems real. Looking forward to the sequel.

I've just started Ralph Peters' The War After Armageddon (http://www.amazon.com/The-War-After-Armageddon-ebook/dp/B002OKZCTI/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_2), very dark subject matter. It's interesting how his vision of future war has changed over the years as I remember reading The War in 2020 (http://www.amazon.com/The-War-2020-Ralph-Peters/dp/0671751727/ref=tmm_mmp_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1357442339&sr=1-2) about 20 years ago and it had a completely different scenario.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: republic on January 06, 2013, 07:33:10 AM
I'm reading Viper Pilot by Dan Hampton.  He has some great combat stories.  He can be pretty cocky....but I guess that's what makes a good fighter pilot.

He goes into good detail about cockpit operations, so it's actually helping me understand BMS Falcon a bit.

I'm going to add Through Struggle the Stars to my reading list.  That sounds like a good book Pinetree
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 06, 2013, 09:00:05 AM
Just started reading Don Quixote for the first time.  Yes, really! 


Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on January 06, 2013, 03:57:09 PM
100 pages into Patton: A Genius for War by Carlo D'Este.  Good read so far, only 700 pages to go.   ;D
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on January 08, 2013, 10:39:22 AM

I've just started Ralph Peters' The War After Armageddon (http://www.amazon.com/The-War-After-Armageddon-ebook/dp/B002OKZCTI/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_2), very dark subject matter. It's interesting how his vision of future war has changed over the years as I remember reading The War in 2020 (http://www.amazon.com/The-War-2020-Ralph-Peters/dp/0671751727/ref=tmm_mmp_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1357442339&sr=1-2) about 20 years ago and it had a completely different scenario.

I found the whole thing a little unbelievable, very dark.  Interested to hear your thoughts.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on January 08, 2013, 11:04:08 AM
Just finished Through Struggle the Stars (http://www.thehumanreach.net/) by John J. Lumpkin. Quite possibly the best hard sci-fi novel I've ever read. Everything about the setting and story seems real. Looking forward to the sequel.

Looks good. Thanks for the recommendation!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on January 08, 2013, 03:46:30 PM
Just finished Through Struggle the Stars (http://www.thehumanreach.net/) by John J. Lumpkin. Quite possibly the best hard sci-fi novel I've ever read. Everything about the setting and story seems real. Looking forward to the sequel.

I read this awhile ago.  The concepts where good, but the writing was awlful. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 08, 2013, 05:12:48 PM
How was the spelling?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Barthheart on January 08, 2013, 08:35:14 PM
Just started reading Don Quixote for the first time.  Yes, really!

That's on my bucket reading list too.... I'll get there some day....

Currently reading The Theory of Everything: The Origin and Fate of the Universe by Stephen Hawking. Very well written and accessible.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on January 09, 2013, 12:01:59 AM
Finally sat down and finished the Napoleon book, which I enjoyed. Next up will be...I'm leaning towards Fulgrim.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Pinetree on January 09, 2013, 12:23:40 AM
Just finished Through Struggle the Stars (http://www.thehumanreach.net/) by John J. Lumpkin. Quite possibly the best hard sci-fi novel I've ever read. Everything about the setting and story seems real. Looking forward to the sequel.

I read this awhile ago.  The concepts where good, but the writing was awlful. 

Interesting, I thought the writing was excellent; the story just seemed to flow nicely, all the characters seemed to react to events realistically, dialogue was great and there was lots of moral ambiguity.What didn't you like? I may be biased as the book feels like a combination of my favourite scifi setting (2300AD RPG ) and one of my favourite wargames (Attack Vector:Tactical, one of the most realistic starship combat games out there). I loved it.


I've just started Ralph Peters' The War After Armageddon (http://www.amazon.com/The-War-After-Armageddon-ebook/dp/B002OKZCTI/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_2), very dark subject matter. It's interesting how his vision of future war has changed over the years as I remember reading The War in 2020 (http://www.amazon.com/The-War-2020-Ralph-Peters/dp/0671751727/ref=tmm_mmp_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1357442339&sr=1-2) about 20 years ago and it had a completely different scenario.

I found the whole thing a little unbelievable, very dark.  Interested to hear your thoughts.

Thar' be spoilers below:










I've just finished it and it was a very bleak ending. I found the whole religious fervour of the US a bit much, esp. the description of the US in the epilogue. The war-fighting and technology side seemed spot on though.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Pinetree on January 09, 2013, 12:32:44 AM
Just finished Through Struggle the Stars (http://www.thehumanreach.net/) by John J. Lumpkin. Quite possibly the best hard sci-fi novel I've ever read. Everything about the setting and story seems real. Looking forward to the sequel.

Looks good. Thanks for the recommendation!

No worries, another book I highly recommend is The Martian (http://www.galactanet.com/writing.html), which you can download for free from the link. It's a brilliant tale of an Astronaut who is mistakenly left for dead on Mars and how he struggles to survive. It's mainly told through his log and the character has an awesome sense of humour. Apparently the science is good too.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on January 11, 2013, 01:54:19 PM
^ Thanks Pinetree.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on January 12, 2013, 05:31:37 PM
Having heard good things about Sanderson's grand finale to Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (and generally positive things about the books after Crossroads of Twilight, which is where I gave up on the series until I heard good things about the conclusion), I am starting the slow crawl to the end from Book 1, The Eye Of The World.

I haven't read through the series in at least ten years, so it's interesting to see how the first chapters (and the main protagonists in their first appearances) compare, even with where I last left them (having finished book 9, Winter's Heart), much moreso with the few spoilery things I've read about A Memory of the Light (or whatever it's called--I've heard so many versions of the title over the years I can't get my mind to nail down the final version. ;) )
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 12, 2013, 07:54:03 PM
Anyone here read Agincourt by Cornwell?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 12, 2013, 08:03:55 PM
I've not read Agincourt but I really enjoy Cornwell's writing.  Might have to put this one on the list.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 12, 2013, 08:11:22 PM
Agincourt is available for 0.01...I don't think I can go wrong. Unless I should just get a history of the battle instead...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 12, 2013, 08:26:13 PM
Yeah I didn't see that but I buy most of my books for my Kindle these days.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 12, 2013, 08:29:19 PM
It is good enough but Cornwell is one of those 50 page a day writer's I think and I can only handle
so much of him.  Sometimes his characters act like idiots or just plain murderers.  But I remember it as a smooth
enough read
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 12, 2013, 08:36:33 PM
Any alternatives? I've only read one book by him, in the Viking series. It was OK. Still...0.01. Pretty decent.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 12, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
I like Cornwell's characters.  They remind me of Martin's characters in Game of Thones.  The good guys aren't all good and the bad guys aren't all bad.  Well except Cersi, she's just a bitch.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on January 12, 2013, 08:48:23 PM
Well except Cersei, she's just a bitch.


Yeah, but she likes to get down.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 12, 2013, 08:54:30 PM
Well except Cersei, she's just a bitch.


Yeah, but she likes to get down.

Especially with kin.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on January 12, 2013, 08:56:03 PM
I keep meaning to start The Last Kingdom one of these days. Speaking of which...

Gus, for a bit of medium-weight reading try Harry Harrison's  trilogy The Hammer and the Cross (http://www.amazon.com/The-Hammer-Cross-Harry-Harrison/dp/0812523482)/One King's Way/King and Emperor. It was co-authored by Tom Shippey (as John Holm) who is a Tolkien scholar. It is actually alt-history but so full of references to Anglo-Saxon and Viking history that anyone who has taken an interested in the subject(s) will find it captivating. There are a small number of anachronisms (such as a reference to the Dutch coast) but the story is good enough that you can let them slide.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on January 12, 2013, 08:58:56 PM
Well except Cersei, she's just a bitch.


Yeah, but she likes to get down.

I haven't read that series yet but the name Cersei must be a reference to Circe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe), the sorceress from the Odyssey, no?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 12, 2013, 09:02:02 PM
Well except Cersei, she's just a bitch.


Yeah, but she likes to get down.

I haven't read that series yet but the name Cersei must be a reference to Circe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe), the sorceress from the Odyssey, no?

I don't know but she is a bitch.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on January 12, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
She hasn't turned anyone into pigs, but she gave her son a Dog.  And she's a ferocious opponent.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 12, 2013, 09:04:48 PM
Dog turned out to be quite the interesting character actually.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on January 12, 2013, 09:08:03 PM
I liked his development as well.  He is internally consistent.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on January 12, 2013, 09:54:39 PM
Agincourt is available for 0.01...I don't think I can go wrong. Unless I should just get a history of the battle instead...

Where did you see it for 0.1?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on January 13, 2013, 09:15:36 AM
Agincourt is available for 0.01...I don't think I can go wrong. Unless I should just get a history of the battle instead...

A pretty good read, although a bit slow at the start. I recommend it.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on January 13, 2013, 09:18:30 AM
Just finished Weber's Empire From The Ashes. Very enjoyable but a bid odd that the third book in the trilogy, which was the longest by far, seemed to wrap up too quickly. Still, Weber has yet to disappoint me.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 13, 2013, 10:46:53 AM
Took a detour from Don Quixote to read Carl Sagan's Contact.  I'd always meant to get around to checking out the book after having seen the movie years ago, and am now finally doing so. 





Having heard good things about Sanderson's grand finale to Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (and generally positive things about the books after Crossroads of Twilight, which is where I gave up on the series until I heard good things about the conclusion), I am starting the slow crawl to the end from Book 1, The Eye Of The World.

I haven't read through the series in at least ten years, so it's interesting to see how the first chapters (and the main protagonists in their first appearances) compare, even with where I last left them (having finished book 9, Winter's Heart), much moreso with the few spoilery things I've read about A Memory of the Light (or whatever it's called--I've heard so many versions of the title over the years I can't get my mind to nail down the final version. ;) )

Good luck sir!  I wish you a safe journey, especially as you slog through the morass that is books 7-10.  (Also, please feel free to share your thoughts on the three Sanderson-authored books once you're finished.)  8) 




Anyone here read Agincourt by Cornwell?

I own and enjoy it.  Cornwell does a great job of keeping the outcome from feeling inevitable, and that the events from that period are still very mutable. 




Just finished Weber's Empire From The Ashes. Very enjoyable but a bid odd that the third book in the trilogy, which was the longest by far, seemed to wrap up too quickly. Still, Weber has yet to disappoint me.

Wait -- Weber has actually finished a series he's started??  Surely not!  :o 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2013, 12:43:53 PM
Thanks Martok. There are a ton of copies available on Amazon for 0.01, mostly hardcovers (which I prefer). So...3.99 for shipping and .01 for the book itself. :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 13, 2013, 01:06:59 PM
Heh, nice. 


I'll admit I like his Saxon Tales novels more, but Agincourt still holds up well as a standalone book. 

I think it helps that the latter is more grounded in historical fact.  In contrast, Cornwell has freely admitted to taking various "artistic liberties" with the Saxon Tales series (although he stays true to the overall course of events). 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on January 13, 2013, 01:13:11 PM
Having heard good things about Sanderson's grand finale to Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (and generally positive things about the books after Crossroads of Twilight, which is where I gave up on the series until I heard good things about the conclusion), I am starting the slow crawl to the end from Book 1, The Eye Of The World.

Good luck sir!  I wish you a safe journey, especially as you slog through the morass that is books 7-10.  (Also, please feel free to share your thoughts on the three Sanderson-authored books once you're finished.)  8) 

Yeah, that'll likely be several months from now. ;) (Less if I spent all my free time reading the series of course, but I do have other things to do.)

Fortunately, while I was increasingly disappointed with A Crown of Swords and then The Path of Daggers on my first reads through them, I was surprised to discover I actually liked ACoS (and even TPOD) more than I realized on rereads preparatory to Winter's Heart. Can't deny the books peaked before then (I'm one of those who think The Fires of Heaven was the high watermark, partly because of the action sequences with their tactics and strategies), but I'm more worried about slogging through WH again and then Crossroads of Twilight. {shudder}

Oh well. Authors of my generation can learn from his mistakes and try not to repeat them. :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on January 13, 2013, 01:23:55 PM
Oh well. Authors of my generation can learn from his mistakes and try not to repeat them. :)


Or they can see the boatload of money and recognition he made from doing it that way and think it's ok for them to do it, too.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on January 13, 2013, 01:37:26 PM
holding off on the blood angels and ultramarine omnibuses until work starts and im sat on planes again - lithuania and istanbul up next! - until then im starting Clive Barker's Imajica for the eleventy millionth time - probably my favourite book - its missing a front cover and the back one doesnt have long but its has sentimental value
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2013, 01:38:44 PM
I like it when writers take some liberties with history as long as they are not too ridiculous.

'Geek tell us why you like Imajica...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 13, 2013, 01:57:53 PM
Fortunately, while I was increasingly disappointed with A Crown of Swords and then The Path of Daggers on my first reads through them, I was surprised to discover I actually liked ACoS (and even TPOD) more than I realized on rereads preparatory to Winter's Heart. Can't deny the books peaked before then (I'm one of those who think The Fires of Heaven was the high watermark, partly because of the action sequences with their tactics and strategies), but I'm more worried about slogging through WH again and then Crossroads of Twilight. {shudder}

Interesting, as my experience is virtually the same.  I actually didn't have a problem with ACoS or TPoD (despite the pacing noticeably starting to drag), but books 9 & 10 were very difficult for me to get through. 





I like it when writers take some liberties with history as long as they are not too ridiculous.


Then you should be just fine with Agincourt...especially at that price.  ;) 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on January 13, 2013, 01:58:53 PM
I like it when writers take some liberties with history as long as they are not too ridiculous.

'Geek tell us why you like Imajica...

oh man - firstly as a sci fi geek i always like a little history and religious mystery thrown into my books - the hero of the piece is Gentle/John Fury Zacharias, a man who ultimately realises he is the man to reconcile Earth to 4 other Dominions that make up the Imajica - Earth been the unreconciled 5th Dominion. Before him came other luminaries such as Casanova and Jesus - the book aludes to the fact that there were 4 wise men originally, all looking for Jesus as he was the next Reconciler - the Imajica can only be reconciled every 250 years, and its Gentles responsibility this time round. Can he work the miracle whilst dark forces conspire to prevent the Reconciliation, including the Tabula Rasa, a body established to wipe magic from the face of the Earth to prevent the previous disaster of the mid 18th century. And will he be reunited with his lost love - Pie o Pah, a mystif capable of taking on any form its beholder projects making it the ultimate assasin and/or whore - a role forced upon it by its previous master Satori.

 Its a very cleverly disguised rework of revelations and the new testament in my opinion, but please dont let that be all you take away from this, im the most unreligious person youll find and i think its wonderful! Its a love story, a tragedy, and a masterpiece - its the first book that ever made me laugh out loud and (im amongst friends here) the first book that ever made me cry

http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0006178049/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_5?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addFiveStar&showViewpoints=0

A lot of people here say it better than i can
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2013, 02:08:54 PM
(http://bloody-disgusting.com/photosizer/upload/rickmoranis040709.jpg)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on January 13, 2013, 02:10:29 PM
whilst im aware of who this is, why, what and how it happened, and also its appearance has led to tea on the laptop screen and my face - im not sure i see the connection, but hell it made me laugh out loud  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2013, 02:19:33 PM
Of course you can see the connection. Your description of Imajica almost made me call the police. Good show!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Keunert on January 13, 2013, 02:55:49 PM
Homicide by David Simon, great read so far. next will be the corner.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Hiimori on January 13, 2013, 04:22:30 PM
Of course you can see the connection. Your description of Imajica almost made me call the police. Good show!

Imajica - this was one of my favorite books in the mid-90s, I think I read it about 5 times then. I should dig it out and read it again!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on January 13, 2013, 04:53:44 PM
Of course you can see the connection. Your description of Imajica almost made me call the police. Good show!

Imajica - this was one of my favorite books in the mid-90s, I think I read it about 5 times then. I should dig it out and read it again!

please do

i got all excited when checking on amazon that there was a second part - it seems a lot of people made this mistake, apparently they split the 1100 page original in two and lots of people bought part 2 thinking it was a sequel, as i almost did
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
1100 pages is looong.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 13, 2013, 06:16:23 PM
I don't mind long books if they have a compelling storyline.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
True. The Shining is 650 but is like butta.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 13, 2013, 06:19:45 PM
Moby Dick does not have a compelling story.  Actually it's pretty damned horrible.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2013, 06:20:08 PM
I'm sorry.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 13, 2013, 06:28:40 PM
I reserve my angst for English professors who continue to preach how great Moby Dick is to their students.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2013, 06:29:24 PM
How many pages is it?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 13, 2013, 06:37:15 PM
It's too long if you don't like Wales.  Welshmen are annoying.
"Call me Ismael." My ass!! Call you a long winded motherhumper.
That's what I'll do.  Call you a paid by the word zillionaire, old dead white guy!
Anyway, gives Lit a bad name.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 13, 2013, 06:40:44 PM
How many pages is it?

I think the copy I have is around 1000 to 1200 pages of complete crap.  Details upon detail and retelling the same crap over and over again.  I want to visit Melville's grave just to yell at him a little bit.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 13, 2013, 07:43:47 PM
There was this whale.  There was this guy obsessed with killing it.  There was a megaton of symbolism.
A bunch of shit happened and the whale smashed the Pequod boat with the guy
and some others in it.  They all died except Ishmael and the whale.  The whale swam away.
Moby Dick is a Sperm whale so it is porn.  Rachael from friends rescues Ishmael
so he doesn't die 'til after the story is over.  The End.
Now you can skip those classes.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 14, 2013, 01:54:44 AM
There was this whale.  There was this guy obsessed with killing it.  There was a megaton of symbolism.
A bunch of shit happened and the whale smashed the Pequod boat with the guy
and some others in it.  They all died except Ishmael and the whale.  The whale swam away.
Moby Dick is a Sperm whale so it is porn.  Rachael from friends rescues Ishmael
so he doesn't die 'til after the story is over.  The End.
Now you can skip those classes.

Sadly, this is an accurate summation of the book.  Even more sadly, that's all one really needs to know. 

I *did* read the bloody thing, and I devoutly wish I hadn't.  That was two months of my life that I will never get back. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Barthheart on January 14, 2013, 05:49:01 AM
Anybody try Last of the Mohicans? Tried three times and just could not stand it. :P
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 14, 2013, 05:55:36 AM
Anybody try Last of the Mohicans? Tried three times and just could not stand it. :P

It's on my Kindle and subsequently on the list.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on January 14, 2013, 07:10:26 AM
Anybody try Last of the Mohicans? Tried three times and just could not stand it. :P

My understanding is that just about any film version is better than the book, so with the Daniel Day Lewis version in my library I don't care to risk my time testing out that impression.

Mark Twain wrote an utterly SCATHING epic critical takedown of Fennimore's series once, though. I read that every few years or so.  ;D
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 14, 2013, 08:07:42 AM
Anybody try Last of the Mohicans? Tried three times and just could not stand it. :P

Anybody try Last of the Mohicans? Tried three times and just could not stand it. :P

It's on my Kindle and subsequently on the list.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! 


You fools!  Do not shoot that tank!  You'll never be able to get those weeks/months of your life back, I promise you! 

Honest to God, I'd sooner watch the grass grow than read another of Cooper's books.  That man can make anything boring. 





My understanding is that just about any film version is better than the book,

Correct.  If you've already watched the movie (doesn't matter which one), then there's no reason to read the book.  Ever. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on January 14, 2013, 08:13:17 AM
there must be an exception to the film/book rule
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 14, 2013, 08:21:39 AM
there must be an exception to the film/book rule

There is indeed.  James Fenimore Cooper's novels are but one example. 


I find Stephen King is another, at least when it comes to films based on his "short" stories.  (I can't comment on his other stuff, as I'm not a horror fan.)  I own The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, and Stand By Me on DVD; I've also read the novellas on which they're based.  In every case, it turns out I prefer the movie. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on January 14, 2013, 09:06:55 AM
there must be an exception to the film/book rule

There is indeed.  James Fenimore Cooper's novels are but one example. 


I find Stephen King is another, at least when it comes to films based on his "short" stories.  (I can't comment on his other stuff, as I'm not a horror fan.)  I own The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, and Stand By Me on DVD; I've also read the novellas on which they're based.  In every case, it turns out I prefer the movie.

my dad and i stayed up til 2am once after we'd both read Christine - book = great (well, i thought so then), film = pants, total pants

On that subject, ive never understood why directors/story writers change details from the book that seem so inconsequential - fine you could make the film too long or end up down a dead end part of the story but simple facts
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on January 14, 2013, 01:22:47 PM
Anybody try Last of the Mohicans? Tried three times and just could not stand it. :P

I've read it but damn was it a slog. Oof. Not even so much the writing itself but the style...the way the written word has changed since the 1700's when that bad boy was written is pretty startling.

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 14, 2013, 04:20:22 PM



You fools!  Do not shoot that tank!  You'll never be able to get those weeks/months of your life back, I promise you! 

Honest to God, I'd sooner watch the grass grow than read another of Cooper's books.  That man can make anything boring. 



His non-fiction works on naval warfare are actually pretty interesting to read.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 14, 2013, 04:35:12 PM
Between the florid prose and stuff the story goes like this:
French and their Indians are bad.  English are kinda dumb dicks
with cute daughters.  One American is smarter and craftier than
Batman and he owns a couple of Good Indians (soon to be extinct).
They all fight in a freakin overload of adverbs and adjectives and sh*t flying
all over and the cute chix get kidnapped by the Bad French Influenced Indians
who run away.  Nancy*, the smart American guy chases them all over.
They catch them and the bad Indians shank the one chic who then dies from it.
The young Good Indian gets caught up in some lurid prose and offs himself.
There is no Cialis and the other Good Indian is old so that's it for the good ones
game over.    *better than Natty Bummpo
The other chic gets rescued.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 15, 2013, 01:51:21 AM
there must be an exception to the film/book rule

There is indeed.  James Fenimore Cooper's novels are but one example. 


I find Stephen King is another, at least when it comes to films based on his "short" stories.  (I can't comment on his other stuff, as I'm not a horror fan.)  I own The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, and Stand By Me on DVD; I've also read the novellas on which they're based.  In every case, it turns out I prefer the movie.

my dad and i stayed up til 2am once after we'd both read Christine - book = great (well, i thought so then), film = pants, total pants

On that subject, ive never understood why directors/story writers change details from the book that seem so inconsequential - fine you could make the film too long or end up down a dead end part of the story but simple facts

By the by, I should say I *did* like all three published stories -- "Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption", "The Green Mile", & "The Body" (off of which Stand By Me is based).  They are good reads; I just happen to like their respective film versions more. 








You fools!  Do not shoot that tank!  You'll never be able to get those weeks/months of your life back, I promise you! 

Honest to God, I'd sooner watch the grass grow than read another of Cooper's books.  That man can make anything boring. 



His non-fiction works on naval warfare are actually pretty interesting to read.

A pity he didn't stick with non-fiction then. 

I genuinely feel sorry for any high school/college student who has to read one of his novels as an assignment.  I ground my way through The Pathfinder (how/why I chose that for my main book report that semester I'll never know), and got about two chapters into The Last of the Mohicans before I abruptly said "screw this!" and quit.  I think it was the first book I ever didn't finish. 





Between the florid prose and stuff the story goes like this:
French and their Indians are bad.  English are kinda dumb dicks
with cute daughters.  One American is smarter and craftier than
Batman and he owns a couple of Good Indians (soon to be extinct).
They all fight in a freakin overload of adverbs and adjectives and sh*t flying
all over and the cute chix get kidnapped by the Bad French Influenced Indians
who run away.  Nancy*, the smart American guy chases them all over.
They catch them and the bad Indians shank the one chic who then dies from it.
The young Good Indian gets caught up in some lurid prose and offs himself.
There is no Cialis and the other Good Indian is old so that's it for the good ones
game over.    *better than Natty Bummpo
The other chic gets rescued.

Yep.  That's pretty much it. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on January 15, 2013, 04:20:21 PM
How was the spelling?

Much better than mine without a spellchecker
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on January 15, 2013, 05:53:41 PM
I read this awhile ago.  The concepts where good, but the writing was awlful. 

Interesting, I thought the writing was excellent; the story just seemed to flow nicely, all the characters seemed to react to events realistically, dialogue was great and there was lots of moral ambiguity.What didn't you like? I may be biased as the book feels like a combination of my favourite scifi setting (2300AD RPG ) and one of my favourite wargames (Attack Vector:Tactical, one of the most realistic starship combat games out there). I loved it.

It's been awhile since I read it, but scanning it, here is an example.

Quote
Before he departed Boulder, Neil and his friends, Rand, Cade, and Carlos Encinias, a junior still a year away from his commission, had hit the bars in Denver for what Rand called "a proper drunkening."  It was a blur in Neil's memory.  Rand the extrovert cracked jokes and spent money and talked up the women, with Neil in his usual role as wingman.  Cade, normally brittle in social situations, drank enough to relax and enjoy himself.  Neil sobered up early to herd everyone to the train back to campus.  It was a futile effort:  The train had broken down again, and they were forced to stay the night in the city.  Rand picked up the hotel tab.

This is a paragraph from page 50.  I really cannot figure out what it has to do with the story being told as a whole.  On top of that, in my opinion, it reads like it was written for a sixth grader.

Like I said, I like the concept for the book, and if there is a sequel, I'll get it.  But it needs a good editor. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 15, 2013, 06:55:37 PM
Like Dan Brown?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on January 15, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
So, I'm pretty excited.

I read A LOT.  But my biggest problem is that, like with computer games, I have real issues with actually finishing a book.  Just like I enjoy playing monster wargames, so I also enjoy reading really long books (meaning greater than 400 pages).  And, I'm usually reading more than one at a time, something I picked up from grad school where I had to split my time among multiple subjects.  Now I have a lot of trouble sticking with one book through its duration.

So, I have a lot of books I've read half of and then moved on, and when I pick them back up I feel compelled to start from the beginning again...and again...and again.  Therefore, when I actually get to the true end of a book, I feel a sense of accomplishment, and I get really excited to move to a completely new book guilt free.

I'm there now, just finishing up The Deluge (Volume 2 of 2) by Henryk Sienkiewicz.  In print the two volumes clock in at over 1800 pages, and added to the first book of the trilogy, With Fire and Sword, we're talking more than 2500 pages!  I'm within 100 pages of finishing vol 2 and I can move on to a new book...whew!

I'm sort of torn because I have several I'd like to get into and I want to pick the right one.  I have previously started The Three Musketeers, which I've never read and I feel like I should read once.  I also have Ivanhoe in the queue.  I read one of Scott's books previously (The Talisman) and I loved it until the last 50 pages or so, when the ending just completely fell apart.  So I'm a bit leery of going down the Scott route again.

Finally, Sienkiewicz has a different book not related to his famous trilogy called Knights of the Cross, about the Teutonic Knights.  I've been grooving to start a Teutonic Knights book to go along with my Real Warfare gaming, so I'm leaning towards it.  Also, so far Sienkiewicz has been a real winner with me.  I don't know what it is, but his books just hit a sweet spot. 

At any rate, I'm in a good place with a lot of interesting options.  And, all of these books are available for FREE on the Kindle through Amazon, so it's win-win.

Linky to Knights: http://www.amazon.com/knights-cross-Krzyzacy-Henryk-Sienkiewicz/dp/B00085CF0A/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358313269&sr=1-3&keywords=the+teutonic+knights+henryk+sienkiewicz

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 15, 2013, 11:30:27 PM
I do not think this has been brought up for discussion:

http://www.nybooks.com/books/imprints/classics/the-long-ships/

If you can find this it is a great adventure novel and hard to believe it was written
in 1954.  The style is fresh and really "feels" like a Viking story.
Note the review by Michael Chabon a well known modern author.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on January 16, 2013, 04:59:35 AM
^Longships is on my Kindle waiting behind at least two other e-books (Mongoliad being one) and three p-books.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 16, 2013, 06:28:57 AM
Toonces read Ivanhoe. Staggerwing I have the Mongoliad in my queue but when I get to it depends on how quickly I finish some other books and clear the deck for some space sci fi reading to go along with the release of Aliens: Colonial Marines.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 16, 2013, 04:47:47 PM
The Three Musketeers is an awesome book.  Highly recommend reading this one straight away Toonces.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: besilarius on January 16, 2013, 05:33:30 PM
Bison, I'm curious did you ever see the two parter movie starring Michael York?  Three Musketeers and Four Musketeers.
Really enjoyed that, and ended up thinking it was better than the novel itself.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072281/
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 16, 2013, 05:35:49 PM
I've seen the Three Musketeer movie.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 17, 2013, 02:04:27 PM
The Three Musketeers is an awesome book.  Highly recommend reading this one straight away Toonces.

I enjoyed that one as well.  I do love me some Dumas!  He's probably my favorite 19th century author, even more than Edgar Allen Poe and Mark Twain. 


I also recommend The Count of Monte Cristo.  It's absolutely the best revenge tale I've ever read. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on January 17, 2013, 02:44:56 PM
I also recommend The Count of Monte Cristo.  It's absolutely the best revenge tale I've ever read.

I thought that the movie was quite enjoyable too.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 17, 2013, 07:09:56 PM
Ivanhoe is the grandaddy of the modern historical romance.  Heroes, sword fights, villains, racism, lascivious leers, mustache twirling,
hidden kings and all sorts of other stuff.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 18, 2013, 11:19:11 AM
I also recommend The Count of Monte Cristo.  It's absolutely the best revenge tale I've ever read.

I thought that the movie was quite enjoyable too.

It is; I own it.  :) 





Ivanhoe is the grandaddy of the modern historical romance.  Heroes, sword fights, villains, racism, lascivious leers, mustache twirling,
hidden kings and all sorts of other stuff.

You know, I never have read it.  I may need to rectify that. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on January 19, 2013, 01:46:22 PM
I'm trying to get through The Three Musketeers, but that is some hard reading.  I remember thinking the same thing the last time I attempted it.

I'm going to stick with it a bit longer, but man, I just don't see me going the distance with this one.  I mean, it's a classic and everyone says it's great, so I'm trying to use that as motivation to keep going.  But Ugh... ::)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: besilarius on January 19, 2013, 02:33:01 PM
Toonces, try the Michael York, Three Musketeers movie.  It is a scream and if anything can make you want to read the whole novel, the movie isgreat.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: eyebiter on January 19, 2013, 05:48:12 PM
Rise of the Fighter Generals: The Problems of Air Force Leadership, 1945-1982
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: republic on January 24, 2013, 07:37:17 PM
I'm just starting Termite Hill by Tom Wilson
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 24, 2013, 09:26:31 PM
I just started Apocalypse Z
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on January 24, 2013, 10:47:17 PM
I just finished The Birth of the Nazis: How the Freikorps Blazed A Trail For Hitler by Nigel Jones. I just now started The Perils Of Peace by Thomas Fleming.  It details the two years following Yorktown.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 25, 2013, 10:58:18 AM
Inspired by our conversation from the other thread, I've just started The Red Badge of Courage; it's the first time I've reread it in ages. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 26, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
After finishing The Shining I moved on to The Ritual by Adam Neville, a much more recent and excellent horror story. And a quick read too, I am almost done with it after about 6 days. I think I am moving on to Neuromancer next.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on January 27, 2013, 08:21:40 AM
I'll be interested to hear what you think of Neuromancer, Gus.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 27, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
Just started it this morning, only about 10 pages in. I've been on a great roll lately, finishing up books in days instead of weeks. Making more room on my bookcases for...more :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 27, 2013, 06:50:48 PM
I have been thinking about getting one of them kobo or kindle or whatever newfangled thingy they are.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 27, 2013, 09:19:48 PM
Kindles are pretty sweet but I seem to recall Migs or someone saying that there was an issue getting the books off Amazon in Canada.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on January 28, 2013, 05:35:13 AM
Collapse by Jared Diamond, his follow-up to Guns, Germs, and Steel.  I just finished 1493: Uncovering the World Columbus Created by Charles C. Mann.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on January 28, 2013, 05:39:07 AM
I have been thinking about getting one of them kobo or kindle or whatever newfangled thingy they are.

I absolutely love mine.  Beats carrying 20 pounds of books all over the world like I used to.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 28, 2013, 06:03:29 AM
Collapse by Jared Diamond, his follow-up to Guns, Germs, and Steel.  I just finished 1493: Uncovering the World Columbus Created by Charles C. Mann.

Guns, Germs, and Steel was pretty good.  I found some of his hypothesis in Collapse to be a little far fetched to be honest.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on January 28, 2013, 07:02:56 AM
Collapse by Jared Diamond, his follow-up to Guns, Germs, and Steel.  I just finished 1493: Uncovering the World Columbus Created by Charles C. Mann.

Guns, Germs, and Steel was pretty good.  I found some of his hypothesis in Collapse to be a little far fetched to be honest.

I'm just starting it.  Honestly what I enjoy most is what I learn from the book via his vignettes and arguments.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on January 28, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
On the Kindle topic, my parents wanted to buy me one a couple of years ago for Christmas, and I let them talk me into doing it. I love physical books, though, of which I still have a ton sitting around I haven't read, so for a year the poor thing languished over in a corner on its charger. :(

The spring after the NEXT Christmas, I wanted to grab some various Bible translations for research--which isn't always cheap by the way--and I figured the Kindle would lend itself to that pretty well. So I got those four translations, which ironically I'm sure I've never read over ten pages total between them (having found some other research texts that were more helpful), and that led to me importing my pdf and doc files to the Kindle for ease of access, which led to me buying some old scanned books from Amazon that had been Kindleized (not very well by the way, buyer beware), which led to me having several hundred things on my Kindle today. I even rebought most of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (having stopped before Crossroads of Twilight), so I could read through it again in preparation for the grand finale.

So I guess I like it. (But get the model with satellite linkage.)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 28, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
Collapse by Jared Diamond, his follow-up to Guns, Germs, and Steel.  I just finished 1493: Uncovering the World Columbus Created by Charles C. Mann.

Guns, Germs, and Steel was pretty good.  I found some of his hypothesis in Collapse to be a little far fetched to be honest.
That's honest and to be honest no surprise.  I think Jared Diamond is a visionary.  He has a very interesting background.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 29, 2013, 05:29:46 AM
Yawn.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 29, 2013, 09:44:14 AM
Thank You.  Return to bible study.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on January 29, 2013, 10:53:15 AM
Neuromancer is ok, I am 50 pages in. It's a good compliment while playing Deux Ex: Human Revolution.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 29, 2013, 02:36:27 PM
Thank You.  Return to bible study.

Yawn. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 29, 2013, 03:41:39 PM
I enjoy the fact that you feel you must express your contempt in such an adult manner.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Windigo on January 29, 2013, 04:06:54 PM
If the ignorant knew they were ignorant... would that make them any less ignorant? Therefore, could they truly be ingnorant?

MAD GENIUSES ALL!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 29, 2013, 04:25:02 PM
I enjoy the fact that you feel you must express your contempt in such an adult manner.

Yawn.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on January 29, 2013, 04:46:22 PM
I enjoy the fact that you feel you must express your contempt in such an adult manner.

Yawn.

I see your yawn and raise you a ho-hum.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 29, 2013, 04:56:16 PM
Apocolypse Z is an incredibly fast read.  Maybe it's just reading about zombies that makes the pages turn so quickly.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 29, 2013, 05:57:33 PM
I enjoy the fact that you feel you must express your contempt in such an adult manner.

Yawn.

I see your yawn and raise you a ho-hum.

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 29, 2013, 07:07:25 PM
You forgot your witty retort.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 29, 2013, 07:25:02 PM
Time to set an example for our younger readers.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on January 30, 2013, 09:03:55 AM
Eh, any technical work is yawny for anyone not a hardcore geek about the topic, and not everyone cares about the topic (pro or con) in the first place. I'm not offended. :) Many people would find the two books I Kindled on primary source analysis of Vietnam War policies yawnish, too-or-instead.

The illustrative point, aside from the weird roundabout way I got hooked on buying for Kindle, is that I've found it (somewhat) useful for research purposes, especially for helping search through documents. On the other hand it completely sucks for footnote reference purposes, and the Kindle's aggressive reformatting of the text can lead to problems. PDF files don't have either of those problems (for footnotes anyway--endnotes are even more difficult to access), because they're literally photoscans of pages, but I find I usually have to flip the screen to landscape mode (wider than tall) in order to zoom in enough for PDF texts to be feasibly readable. Also, being photoscans, the scans don't always come through very well in the ePearl ink (or whatever it's called. The high-tech version of Etch-a-Sketching usually works great, but not for that purpose.)

I do recommend not only getting one of the older models (thus also less expensive) with a lifetime 3G account built-in, for wireless satellite access anywhere, but also one with a physical keyboard at the bottom. I also recommend getting a journal-cover to protect the device, but only if it comes with a little pull-out light, since the nature of the screen (in b/w, not sure about color) is such that it features no intrinsic lighting at all.

Also, I recommend NOT TRYING TO BUY BOOKS THROUGH THE KINDLE LINK TO AMAZON!! It works, but it's much clumsier and harder to search, than going to Amazon by usual internet routes. (The newer color versions may fix this, hopefully.)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 30, 2013, 03:44:20 PM
Also, I recommend NOT TRYING TO BUY BOOKS THROUGH THE KINDLE LINK TO AMAZON!! It works, but it's much clumsier and harder to search, than going to Amazon by usual internet routes. (The newer color versions may fix this, hopefully.)

This is true.  I also like the fact that as I'm looking a one title there are several recommended titles that cover the same sorts of materials.  I've made many impulse purchases that way.  Wait that might not be a good thing I better think about that for awhile...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on January 30, 2013, 03:47:11 PM
About to crack open Honour the Chapter. More successor Chapter character options for players! Sweetness!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on January 31, 2013, 12:41:54 AM
This is true.  I also like the fact that as I'm looking a one title there are several recommended titles that cover the same sorts of materials.  I've made many impulse purchases that way.  Wait that might not be a good thing I better think about that for awhile...

This is very true, and very dangerous.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on January 31, 2013, 05:10:58 AM
 The Forever War, by Joe Haldeman.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on January 31, 2013, 07:18:14 AM
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z397/SoccerDJ04/Attack-of-the-Deranged-Mutant-Kille.jpg)

Found some old Calvin and Hobbes books, so yeah I'm doing some heavy reading now :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on January 31, 2013, 08:47:58 AM
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z397/SoccerDJ04/Attack-of-the-Deranged-Mutant-Kille.jpg)

Found some old Calvin and Hobbes books, so yeah I'm doing some heavy reading now :)

In all seriousness, Calvin and Hobbes may be the pinnacle of American literary achievement  :).
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Barthheart on January 31, 2013, 09:10:53 AM
The Forever War, by Joe Haldeman.

Probably my favourite SF book of all time. Re-read my copy until the pages fell out.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on January 31, 2013, 09:23:08 AM
The Forever War, by Joe Haldeman.

Probably my favourite SF book of all time. Re-read my copy until the pages fell out.

I read it many yarens ago.  It is full of interesting concepts, many of which others have gleefully stolen.
It is a real post-Viet Nam novel actually written while that carnival was still in progress.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 31, 2013, 10:11:18 AM
Having just finished The Red Badge of Courage, I've now begun rereading another book (or rather, omnibus volume in this case) that I've not looked at in ages:  The Complete Sherlock Holmes

Not surprisingly, I'm starting with A Study in Scarlet, the very first book.  I don't intend to read all the stories straight through -- I think I'd prefer to intersperse them among books of other genres -- but we'll see what happens. 





(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z397/SoccerDJ04/Attack-of-the-Deranged-Mutant-Kille.jpg)

Found some old Calvin and Hobbes books, so yeah I'm doing some heavy reading now :)

Excellent!  I've still got all the books somewhere in a box upstairs.  :) 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on January 31, 2013, 11:52:30 AM
This reminds me that I totally intend to donate my Calv/Hobbes books to my nieces someday soon.  :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 31, 2013, 12:41:18 PM
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z397/SoccerDJ04/Attack-of-the-Deranged-Mutant-Kille.jpg)

Found some old Calvin and Hobbes books, so yeah I'm doing some heavy reading now :)

In all seriousness, Calvin and Hobbes may be the pinnacle of American literary achievement  :).

Oh hey, look who's here!  (Gah, I'm slow on the uptake today...)  Hope you're staying out of trouble over there, man.  :) 


In any case, you may well be correct.  Definitely my favorite comic strip of all time -- one of the all-time greats, right up there with Peanuts IMHO. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on January 31, 2013, 12:41:58 PM
This reminds me that I totally intend to donate my Calv/Hobbes books to my nieces someday soon.  :)

A most generous donation, good sir.  I hope they appreciate it! 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on January 31, 2013, 01:01:28 PM

Found some old Calvin and Hobbes books, so yeah I'm doing some heavy reading now :)

In all seriousness, Calvin and Hobbes may be the pinnacle of American literary achievement  :).

You sir have good taste in literature.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on January 31, 2013, 06:13:53 PM
I believe there to be a triumverate at the top: Calvin and Hobbes, Bloom County and FoxTrot.  Honorable mention to The Far Side.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: besilarius on February 01, 2013, 04:58:25 AM
Over the Hedge has its moments.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on February 01, 2013, 06:29:52 AM
As does Dilbert.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on February 01, 2013, 08:48:35 AM
I love Dilbert...the total summation of corporate dysfunction.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on February 01, 2013, 08:51:54 AM
Calvin & Hobbes, The Far Side, Bloom County, and Dilbert formed my personal comic strip quadrumvirate in the days of old.  Nowadays it's just Dilbert and Zits for me. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on February 01, 2013, 11:45:54 AM
I believe there to be a triumverate at the top: Calvin and Hobbes, Bloom County and FoxTrot.  Honorable mention to The Far Side.

Ditto but (as noted subsequently by others) I'd include Dilbert in the quadrumverate. Or quadruminate. One of those.

(Far Side I respect for its contributions to the culture, but I wouldn't rank it higher than honorable mention.)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on February 01, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
Far Side no higher then honorable mention?!?!

buncha frakin heretics ya are!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on February 02, 2013, 04:07:05 PM
I believe there to be a triumverate at the top: Calvin and Hobbes, Bloom County and FoxTrot.  Honorable mention to The Far Side.

Full agreement on your top 3, MD. Those are my all time favorites and in that order.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: besilarius on February 03, 2013, 10:51:07 AM
Just picked this up.  Looks really interesting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/book-review-engineers-of-victory-by-paul-kennedy-about-world-war-iis-innovators/2013/02/01/5af6b9ce-38d2-11e2-b01f-5f55b193f58f_story.html
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Post by: Gusington on February 03, 2013, 02:01:34 PM
Just finished Neuromancer. I skimmed the 2nd half. I can see how influential and visionary it is, but TBH I didn't find it to be that entertaining. It felt kind of too-cool-for-school, and I wasn't invited to the party. All of these neat little pioneering techs but a little more explanation of wtf was going on would have been nice.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on February 03, 2013, 08:37:32 PM
I never got into cyberpunk.  Not a fan of Blade Runner or Shadowrun either.  But it's a classic, so, you gotta read it.  Having said that, I liked it better than you. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on February 04, 2013, 07:17:13 AM
Well at least I can claim I tried. Onward.
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Post by: Longdan on February 04, 2013, 02:00:22 PM
Let's write a story:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Pirates+and+global+wariming&view=detail&id=73B2D9F9F27E05CE1DCE8FBFB1E1954F039E56A8&FORM=IDFRIR
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on February 10, 2013, 12:26:42 AM
Finished The Forever War.  It was ok.  I'm not sure what I was expecting but whatever it was I'm pretty sure I didn't get it.  Overall I felt pretty meh about it.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on February 10, 2013, 12:29:59 AM
I never got into cyberpunk.  Not a fan of Blade Runner or Shadowrun either.  But it's a classic, so, you gotta read it.  Having said that, I liked it better than you.


not a fan of Blade Runner?

the Grognati must convene to discuss your fate.
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Post by: DoctorQuest on February 10, 2013, 12:49:20 AM
Picked up "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke at the library today. Been awhile.......
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Post by: besilarius on February 10, 2013, 06:22:28 AM
Wow, Doc, haven't looked at a Clarke piece since Rendezous with Rama.
Never warmed to him, quite like Heinlein and Asimov.  Maybe worth a look now that I'm old and Groggy.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on February 10, 2013, 07:18:44 AM
I never got into cyberpunk.  Not a fan of Blade Runner or Shadowrun either.  But it's a classic, so, you gotta read it.  Having said that, I liked it better than you.


not a fan of Blade Runner?

the Grognati must convene to discuss your fate.

For my sins, I will write a beginners AAR for Warlock Master of the Arcane (going on now in the Digital AAR section).
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on February 10, 2013, 08:05:38 AM
Finished The Forever War.  It was ok.  I'm not sure what I was expecting but whatever it was I'm pretty sure I didn't get it.  Overall I felt pretty meh about it.

Have you read Old Man's War by John Scalzi? You might like it more than The Forever War.
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Post by: Bison on February 10, 2013, 08:24:22 AM
Looks interesting.  I've put it on the Amazon list for a future Kindle purchase.
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Post by: Gusington on February 10, 2013, 08:52:02 AM
^Sounds like you felt the same way about The Forever War as I did about Neuromancer.
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Post by: Staggerwing on February 10, 2013, 09:17:50 AM
Finished The Forever War.  It was ok.  I'm not sure what I was expecting but whatever it was I'm pretty sure I didn't get it.  Overall I felt pretty meh about it.

Have you read Old Man's War by John Scalzi? You might like it more than The Forever War.

^ +1 on Old Man's War. It was heavily influenced by Forever War but I think Shell is right in that it might be a little more up your alley as it was also influenced by Starship Troopers. The author makes no bones about this either, a point in his favor. Also, if you like it there are sequels- another plus.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on February 10, 2013, 09:49:38 AM
Am now a fair ways into Poul Anderson's Boat of a Million Years.  It's proven to be a surprisingly good read so far (not that I was expecting rubbish, but it's still better than I was anticipating). 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on February 10, 2013, 12:09:52 PM
Boat of a Million Years is a terrific book. It stuck with me for a long time. Poul Anderson has written a number of great books involving a mix of Scifi, History, and Myth. The Shield of Time series is a connected collection of historical What ifs. They involve a kind of temporal Interpol that had to keep policing the historical time-line after time travel gets into the hands of terrorists and profiteers. Three of the best novellas in that collection are Delenda Est, Star of the Sea, and The Sorrows of Odin the Goth. AFAIK you can get them all in various compilations.

Anderson has also written historical retellings of some of the Viking Sagas as well as mythological fantasies such as The King of Ys (a mix of Celtic myths and early Christianity) and War of the Gods which superimposes the Aesir-Vanir War over the tale of King Hadding (Hadingus) of Denmark
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on February 10, 2013, 10:06:18 PM
I'm kind of in a reading slump right now.

I'm struggling with the third book in the Fire and Sword trilogy called Pan Michael.  It is really dragging.  From what I understand it picks up about halfway through, but when you're talking about a 1000 page book that's a lot of buy-in before the payoff.  At any rate, I just feel compelled to finish this series. 

I'm also reading Mr. Lincoln's Army by Bruce Catton having just finished his Civil War trilogy.  I like the way he writes, but McClellan really annoys me and I'm boring of reading about him in a big way.  Also, this book retreads a lot of ground the trilogy covered.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on February 11, 2013, 05:53:27 AM
Am now a fair ways into Poul Anderson's Boat of a Million Years.  It's proven to be a surprisingly good read so far (not that I was expecting rubbish, but it's still better than I was anticipating).

Poul Anderson has always been a favorite of mine since I first read The Broken Sword as a teenager. The High Crusade, also by Anderson, is a fun romp even if it isn't very deep.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on February 11, 2013, 07:16:41 AM
I just finished Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay. I will start reading NYPD Red by James Patterson next.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on February 11, 2013, 10:52:11 AM
Has anyone read the Age of..  books by James Lovegrove.  I don't think they are series, but individual books written along the same lines. 

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/age-of-ra-james-lovegrove/1101073863?ean=9781844167470
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on February 11, 2013, 11:51:13 AM
Boat of a Million Years is a terrific book. It stuck with me for a long time. Poul Anderson has written a number of great books involving a mix of Scifi, History, and Myth. The Shield of Time series is a connected collection of historical What ifs. They involve a kind of temporal Interpol that had to keep policing the historical time-line after time travel gets into the hands of terrorists and profiteers. Three of the best novellas in that collection are Delenda Est, Star of the Sea, and The Sorrows of Odin the Goth. AFAIK you can get them all in various compilations.

Anderson has also written historical retellings of some of the Viking Sagas as well as mythological fantasies such as The King of Ys (a mix of Celtic myths and early Christianity) and War of the Gods which superimposes the Aesir-Vanir War over the tale of King Hadding (Hadingus) of Denmark

Poul Anderson has always been a favorite of mine since I first read The Broken Sword as a teenager. The High Crusade, also by Anderson, is a fun romp even if it isn't very deep.

Thanks for the recommendations, gents.  One of my friends owns most of Anderson's books (including the copy of Boat I'm currently reading), so I'll see about borrowing those other stories from her as well. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on February 11, 2013, 01:56:37 PM
Has anyone read the Age of..  books by James Lovegrove.  I don't think they are series, but individual books written along the same lines. 

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/age-of-ra-james-lovegrove/1101073863?ean=9781844167470

I recently read The Age of Odin. A bit slow at the start but once it got going I couldn't put it down!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on February 11, 2013, 02:02:46 PM
Has anyone read the Age of..  books by James Lovegrove.  I don't think they are series, but individual books written along the same lines. 

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/age-of-ra-james-lovegrove/1101073863?ean=9781844167470

I read Age of Ra last year and quite liked it. Chapters alternated from the point of view of the humans involved and the Egyptian pantheon (who in this one had defeated the other gods). The various Egyptian Gods have their own nations of followers who are declaring wars and such based on the wills of their masters, but the Gods themselves are constantly squabbling with each other, too. His way of writing the dialogue of the Gods as being very profane and flawed and not as 'ethereal' as a lot of others usually do was something I really liked about it.

I've got Age of Zeus sitting on my 'to read' stack.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on February 11, 2013, 06:31:06 PM
Has anyone read the Age of..  books by James Lovegrove.  I don't think they are series, but individual books written along the same lines. 

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/age-of-ra-james-lovegrove/1101073863?ean=9781844167470

I read Age of Ra last year and quite liked it. Chapters alternated from the point of view of the humans involved and the Egyptian pantheon (who in this one had defeated the other gods). The various Egyptian Gods have their own nations of followers who are declaring wars and such based on the wills of their masters, but the Gods themselves are constantly squabbling with each other, too. His way of writing the dialogue of the Gods as being very profane and flawed and not as 'ethereal' as a lot of others usually do was something I really liked about it.

I've got Age of Zeus sitting on my 'to read' stack.

So, am I correct that these are all stand alone books.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on February 11, 2013, 07:05:50 PM
Well I'm returning to ancient Rome and the adventures of Gordianus the Finder in Steven Saylor's Roma Sub Rosa series.  Good quick reading mystery novels.  Well A Gladiator Dies Only Once is a collection of short stories but they help flesh out the characters.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on February 11, 2013, 07:49:44 PM
Just started A History of the English Speaking Peoples Since 1900 by Andrew Roberts.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on February 11, 2013, 11:44:31 PM
Has anyone read the Age of..  books by James Lovegrove.  I don't think they are series, but individual books written along the same lines. 

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/age-of-ra-james-lovegrove/1101073863?ean=9781844167470

I read Age of Ra last year and quite liked it. Chapters alternated from the point of view of the humans involved and the Egyptian pantheon (who in this one had defeated the other gods). The various Egyptian Gods have their own nations of followers who are declaring wars and such based on the wills of their masters, but the Gods themselves are constantly squabbling with each other, too. His way of writing the dialogue of the Gods as being very profane and flawed and not as 'ethereal' as a lot of others usually do was something I really liked about it.

I've got Age of Zeus sitting on my 'to read' stack.

So, am I correct that these are all stand alone books.

You know, I'm not really sure. They would almost have to be, though.

Yeah, a quick look around online seems to indicate that they are all stand alone.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on February 12, 2013, 07:37:46 AM
I'm about half way through Six Frigates by Ian W. Toll before I start to tackle the Patrick O'Brien novels for the first time.  Looking forward to it.  Toll's book is very well written.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on February 13, 2013, 03:31:10 AM
I'm about half way through Six Frigates by Ian W. Toll before I start to tackle the Patrick O'Brien novels for the first time.  Looking forward to it.  Toll's book is very well written.

Fiction or non? 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on February 13, 2013, 05:12:52 AM
I'm about half way through Six Frigates by Ian W. Toll before I start to tackle the Patrick O'Brien novels for the first time.  Looking forward to it.  Toll's book is very well written.

Fiction or non?

Non-fiction.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on February 13, 2013, 05:16:54 AM
I'm about half way through Six Frigates by Ian W. Toll before I start to tackle the Patrick O'Brien novels for the first time.  Looking forward to it.  Toll's book is very well written.

Six Frigates is excellent. So is Toll's latest, Pacific Crucible.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on February 13, 2013, 09:09:20 PM
I'm about half way through Six Frigates by Ian W. Toll before I start to tackle the Patrick O'Brien novels for the first time.  Looking forward to it.  Toll's book is very well written.

Six Frigates is excellent. So is Toll's latest, Pacific Crucible.

I finished Pacific Crucible a few weeks ago, really enjoyed it.  That's what convinced me to pick up Six Frigates on my kindle.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on February 23, 2013, 11:29:49 AM
Pacific Crucible looks really good. It's got a lot of positive reviews on Amazon too.
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Post by: eyebiter on February 23, 2013, 12:05:50 PM
Ghosts in the Fog: The Untold Story of Alaska's WWII Invasion.
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Post by: JasonPratt on February 23, 2013, 08:35:07 PM
^^ That sounds awesome beyond reason, btw.
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Post by: Gusington on February 23, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
I am about to start The Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895: Perceptions, Power and Primacy by SCM Paine.
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Post by: MetalDog on February 23, 2013, 09:09:21 PM
I am about to start The Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895: Perceptions, Power and Primacy by SCM Paine.

Ten years before Port Arthur.  I think I remember reading an article in Military History magazine about that.  Japan kicked their ass in Manchuria.
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Post by: Longdan on February 23, 2013, 09:28:42 PM
Sealing Their Fate: The Twenty-Two Days That Decided World War II by David Downing.
November 17-December 8, 1941.  He argues the war was lost by the bad guys in these critical 3 weeks.
It is a good read.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on February 23, 2013, 09:29:29 PM
Funny you mention Port Arthur, 'Phro. After this book I am going to attempt to re-read Rising Sun, Tumbling Bear. I tried to read it about 15 years ago and couldn't finish it.
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Post by: bob48 on February 24, 2013, 04:21:10 AM
That sounds interesting Dan. I'm gonna see if I can see it on amazon.
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Post by: Longdan on February 24, 2013, 09:34:54 AM
I am enjoying it.  Downing writes a lot of entertaining fiction as well so he has a very readable style.
Reminds me a bit of Len Deighton's historical non-fiction.
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Post by: Martok on February 24, 2013, 10:49:35 AM
Just finished Anderson's Boat of a Million Years, and am now jumping back to The Complete Sherlock Holmes.  Next up:  A Scandal in Bohemia

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on February 24, 2013, 12:37:58 PM
I just finished Kinsey and Me by Sue Grafton. Next on my agenda is Knights of the Cross by Tom Harper.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on February 25, 2013, 10:25:46 AM
Ghosts in the Fog: The Untold Story of Alaska's WWII Invasion.

I'm going to have to check that one out.  How are you enjoying it?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on February 25, 2013, 11:34:54 AM
I'd say the most definitive book about the Aleutian/Alaska campaign is Thousand-Mile War.
http://www.amazon.com/Thousand-Mile-War-Aleutians-Classic-Reprint/dp/0912006838

It's a very good book.  But be warned it's fairly lengthy and can get dry at times.
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Post by: JasonPratt on February 25, 2013, 12:25:24 PM
^^ Sounds like my romantic life. SOLD!  ;D

(Note: it is conceivably possible that impulse buying things like this corresponds in some significant way to my romantic life...)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on February 25, 2013, 02:14:16 PM
I'd say the most definitive book about the Aleutian/Alaska campaign is Thousand-Mile War.
http://www.amazon.com/Thousand-Mile-War-Aleutians-Classic-Reprint/dp/0912006838

It's a very good book.  But be warned it's fairly lengthy and can get dry at times.
I have had that in paperback since about forever.  I need a new one.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on February 25, 2013, 11:29:19 PM
Finally tracked down a copy of the Necessary Evil setting book for Savage Worlds. And I'll continue on Day by Day Armageddon : Shattered Hourglass by J.L. Bourne.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on February 25, 2013, 11:45:34 PM
I'm about 30% of the way through Ivanhoe.  Once I got over the initial learning curve I've really started to enjoy the story much more.

I'm sitting at about 40% on Pan Michael.  Boy is that book dragging.  But I think it's about to get good, finally.

Lastly, I'm reading The Hobbit aloud to my daughter before bed every night.  She's getting into it. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Keunert on February 26, 2013, 04:40:12 AM
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Post by: Gusington on February 26, 2013, 06:24:12 AM
WTF is the deal with that?

Anyway I am tickled that you are reading Ivanhoe and it's not even as a punishment Toonces!
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Post by: Keunert on February 26, 2013, 06:42:38 AM
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Post by: Gusington on February 26, 2013, 09:26:22 AM
You have a beautiful pussy.
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Post by: Bison on February 26, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
I'll be starting War of the Worlds tonight.
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Post by: Gusington on February 26, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
One of my favorite all time books. I love HG Wells.
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Post by: spelk on February 26, 2013, 03:27:15 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Hell_Let_Loose

I'm ploughing through this tome at the moment, and it's an enjoyable top down, bottom up look at WW2, in chronological order. I find it's quite entertaining to frame what went on, and when, then pour anecdotal/human interest evidence from the troops and civvies on the ground.
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Post by: Staggerwing on February 26, 2013, 07:56:51 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Hell_Let_Loose

I'm ploughing through this tome at the moment, and it's an enjoyable top down, bottom up look at WW2, in chronological order. I find it's quite entertaining to frame what went on, and when, then pour anecdotal/human interest evidence from the troops and civvies on the ground.

Yeah, it's quite an eye opener to see a WW2 grand timeline after absorbing everything in small, dense, chunks. To think that Germany was already balls-deep into Russia for almost half a year and had already fought the First Battle of Karkov before any Japanese shallow-running torp had splashed into Pearl Harbor and that the Second Battle of Karkov took place a month before the Wavetop Death Ride of Torpedo Eight opened the skies over the Japanese Fleet can be quite the 'Wow... ' moment.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on February 27, 2013, 11:17:21 PM
Finished Day by Day Armageddon : Shattered Hourglass. It was worth reading, even though the last few chapters could charitably be described as a hurried mess. Good grief.
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Post by: Shelldrake on February 28, 2013, 06:02:28 AM
Finished Day by Day Armageddon : Shattered Hourglass. It was worth reading, even though the last few chapters could charitably be described as a hurried mess. Good grief.

Next book on my to-read list.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on February 28, 2013, 03:12:06 PM
Finished Day by Day Armageddon : Shattered Hourglass. It was worth reading, even though the last few chapters could charitably be described as a hurried mess. Good grief.

Next book on my to-read list.

Curious to hear what you think of it. I liked it well enough, even with a major change to the way it's told, but...yeah. The ending's a bit weird.
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Post by: Keunert on March 02, 2013, 05:36:33 AM
The Corner: A Year in the Life of an Inner-City Neighborhood
David Simon, Ed Burns

Damn is this intense and depressing. it's basically the ying to the yang of  Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 11, 2013, 05:18:47 PM
A few days ago, I bought a sci-fi book that was Amazon's daily deal.  I don't usually read much sci-fi but the premise sounded interesting and for $1.95 it wasn't really much of a risk.  Anyway, the book is called Alarm of War and it's a very enjoyable read.  It's basically a book about naval combat and tactics, but in space.  It's regularly only $3.89 so if you're into books about admirals being sneaky and giant space ships shooting other giant space ships until they go boom, check it out.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00908EOBE/ref=oh_d__o00_details_o00__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00908EOBE/ref=oh_d__o00_details_o00__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

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Post by: Hiimori on March 12, 2013, 02:00:39 AM
Started reading Ken Follett's "Pillars of the Earth", just because I wanted to know what the fuss is all about. This book is one of the most popular books of all time in Germany and the UK, so I was curious.

So far (page 70), the story is interesting and even somewhat intriguing, but I didn't join the mass hysteria yet.
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Post by: Staggerwing on March 12, 2013, 04:35:00 AM
A few days ago, I bought a sci-fi book that was Amazon's daily deal.  I don't usually read much sci-fi but the premise sounded interesting and for $1.95 it wasn't really much of a risk.  Anyway, the book is called Alarm of War and it's a very enjoyable read.  It's basically a book about naval combat and tactics, but in space.  It's regularly only $3.89 so if you're into books about admirals being sneaky and giant space ships shooting other giant space ships until they go boom, check it out.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00908EOBE/ref=oh_d__o00_details_o00__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00908EOBE/ref=oh_d__o00_details_o00__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

I just read the blurb for the book. Are the various political entities supposed to be analogs to 19th or 20th century historical ones? The 'Victorian Empire' sounds suspiciously like the British Empire.
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Post by: Martok on March 12, 2013, 06:04:10 AM
Betwixt reading the various short stories of The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, I've also begun Elantris, Brandon Sanderson's first well-known novel.  An intriguing start so far. 




Started reading Ken Follett's "Pillars of the Earth", just because I wanted to know what the fuss is all about. This book is one of the most popular books of all time in Germany and the UK, so I was curious.

So far (page 70), the story is interesting and even somewhat intriguing, but I didn't join the mass hysteria yet.

My reaction while reading it was pretty much the same.  I enjoyed the book well enough, but didn't understand why it was considered such a phenomenon. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 12, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
A few days ago, I bought a sci-fi book that was Amazon's daily deal.  I don't usually read much sci-fi but the premise sounded interesting and for $1.95 it wasn't really much of a risk.  Anyway, the book is called Alarm of War and it's a very enjoyable read.  It's basically a book about naval combat and tactics, but in space.  It's regularly only $3.89 so if you're into books about admirals being sneaky and giant space ships shooting other giant space ships until they go boom, check it out.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00908EOBE/ref=oh_d__o00_details_o00__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00908EOBE/ref=oh_d__o00_details_o00__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

I just read the blurb for the book. Are the various political entities supposed to be analogs to 19th or 20th century historical ones? The 'Victorian Empire' sounds suspiciously like the British Empire.

They don't really spend a lot of time going into the background of the various factions.  The Victorians took their name from the colony's founder.  The system he discovered had seven natural wormholes close by, making it an invaluable trading hub.  He named it Victoria Station after a train station in London because of all the transport connections.  It got shortened to Victoria. 

The colony members all do share very English sounding family names though and they did become a monarchy. 

Other factions are the Dominion of Unified Citizenry.  They were the centre of trade until the discovery of Victoria Station.  They're pissed at the loss of trade and loss of several of their colonies who realigned themselves with Victoria.  They don't have much back story or analogue.

The Tilleke Empire are caste based and all have Muslim sounding family names.  Theyre xenophobic, tyrannical, and the real baddies of the book.

Other minor powers are also present.  Cape Breton used to be the major trade centre with its one wormhole until Victoria was discovered.  They're a free port aligned with the DUC.

The Arcadians control access to mining colonies where most fuel comes from so everyone wants them.

The Light is a religious group who are isolationist but do a lot of spying on everyone else.  They all seem to have Chinese names.

Refuge is the only colony that explicitly mentions its origins.  Their colonists came from Israel and Morocco.  The two groups were forced to join together to survive their initial colonization attempt.

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Post by: Windigo on March 12, 2013, 01:46:39 PM
Started reading Ken Follett's "Pillars of the Earth", just because I wanted to know what the fuss is all about. This book is one of the most popular books of all time in Germany and the UK, so I was curious.

So far (page 70), the story is interesting and even somewhat intriguing, but I didn't join the mass hysteria yet.

its the characters that get you hooked
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Post by: undercovergeek on March 12, 2013, 01:56:45 PM
The Dominions 3 manual
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Post by: Gusington on March 17, 2013, 04:33:19 PM
Just finished "The Sino-Japanese War of 1894-1895: Perceptions, Power, and Primacy" and its one of the best books I have read in years.

If you are interested in Russian, Korean, Chinese, Japanese or Pacific history, you will enjoy this book.

Although its academic, its accessible and Paine's writing reminded me of Paul Kennedy's. Kennedy's Rise and Fall of the Great Powers is one of my favorite books of all time.
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Post by: Martok on March 18, 2013, 04:39:59 AM
^  Cool.  Adding it to The List... 

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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 18, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
Just started Deck Z: The Titanic.  It's about a zombie outbreak on the Titanic.  I bought it when it was on as one of Amazon's daily Kindle specials for $1.95 or something.  I'm only about 1/4 of the way in so far, but I'm enjoying it more than I would've expected to.  Stupid, yes, but fun and decently written so far.     

EDIT: Well, after a promising start, the book turned into a steaming turd about 1/3rd of the way in.  Once the protagonist got on board the Titanic, it's almost as if a different author took over.  Stilted dialogue, boring action scenes, cliches and poor pacing.  Shame as the build up was decent.
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Post by: Longdan on March 23, 2013, 03:54:45 PM
Reading Embers of War: The Fall of an Empire and the Making of America's Vietnam by Frederik Logevall, professor of International Studies at Cornell.
About the interaction between the Vietnamese (all types), French and USA from 1919 until the mid 60's.  An area of special interest for myself.
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Post by: bob48 on March 23, 2013, 04:05:50 PM
That sounds good. I've had a long-time interest in the French Indo-China period. The obvious books are those by Bernard Fall, but 'The Last Valley' is also an excellent, informative, and more recently written book.

The Howard Simpson book on Dien Bien Phu is pretty good as well, although I've yet to get my hands on a copy of the Jules Roy book of the siege.
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Post by: Longdan on March 23, 2013, 05:45:43 PM
It is tough slogging to read of the lost opportunities and missed chances.  Things did not have to turn out the way that they did.
With so many people rationalising after the fact and trying to make themselves look good it is really hard to sense the truth.
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Post by: bob48 on March 23, 2013, 05:48:35 PM
Thats certainly true of the French command following Dien Bien Phu. Unfortunately, the wrong conclusions were drawn after Na San with regards to 'Air Heads'.
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Post by: Greybriar on March 23, 2013, 06:23:58 PM
I am re-reading The Hobbit, or There and Back Again by J. R. R. Tolkien.
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Post by: TheCommandTent on March 23, 2013, 07:10:36 PM
I am finally reading the last installment in Bernard Cornwell's Saxon Stories, Death of Kings.
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Post by: Staggerwing on March 23, 2013, 07:37:11 PM
I just started reading Shadow of Freedom, the new Honorverse book, on my Kindle Paperwhite.
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Post by: Longdan on March 23, 2013, 07:56:41 PM
Funny thing was I read Bernard Falls' book before I went over to have a look meself.
Should have stayed home.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 23, 2013, 08:25:18 PM
I just started The Odin Mission, a novel about a British Sgt. fighting in Norway in 1940.  Enjoying it so far.  It's the first in a series of four novels so far.  I ended up buying them of the Chapters Kobo site in Canada as they were $4.34 each there vs. $9.34 off of Amazon.  Converting to Kindle .mobi format was painless.

(http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n49/n248659.jpg)
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Post by: Arctic Blast on March 24, 2013, 12:02:51 AM
I'm about 200 pages in to Wars of the Roses by Trevor Royle.
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Post by: Staggerwing on March 24, 2013, 04:52:03 AM
I just started The Odin Mission, a novel about a British Sgt. fighting in Norway in 1940.  Enjoying it so far.  It's the first in a series of four novels so far.  I ended up buying them of the Chapters Kobo site in Canada as they were $4.34 each there vs. $9.34 off of Amazon.  Converting to Kindle .mobi format was painless.


Hmm. Looks like the novel is only available as a used hard or soft cover import here in the USofA and the Kindle version not available at all. Drat.
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Post by: bob48 on March 24, 2013, 04:55:55 AM
Funny thing was I read Bernard Falls' book before I went over to have a look meself.
Should have stayed home.

You've been to Dien Bien Phu?
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Post by: undercovergeek on March 24, 2013, 05:00:35 AM
Just finishing the blood angels 2nd omnibus and then moving onto the ultramarines one
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Post by: Longdan on March 24, 2013, 11:38:57 AM
Funny thing was I read Bernard Falls' book before I went over to have a look meself.
Should have stayed home.

You've been to Dien Bien Phu?

Oh no.  But I spent some time working along the Thai-Laotian-Cambodian border region in the mid '70's.  Things were rather disorganised
there at that time and it was too exciting for a simple prairie boy like me.  Pretty country. Don't like the food.
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Post by: bob48 on March 24, 2013, 12:21:48 PM
Still, it must have given you a good insight as to the conditions faced by the French forces.
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Post by: Longdan on March 24, 2013, 12:29:43 PM
Especially seeing the enormous amount of US activity going on in what was supposed to be a quiet area.  It was a very busy place.
It is hard to imagine the French with their meager resources in the 1950's trying to achieve a positive outcome.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on March 24, 2013, 01:37:04 PM
Just finishing the blood angels 2nd omnibus and then moving onto the ultramarines one

You really should go back and read the 1st Blood Angels one. It's really, REALLY good.
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Post by: Martok on March 24, 2013, 04:04:51 PM
I am finally reading the last installment in Bernard Cornwell's Saxon Stories, Death of Kings.

When you say "last", do you mean as in the most recent installment?  Or the final one? 




I just started reading Shadow of Freedom, the new Honorverse book, on my Kindle Paperwhite.

Wait, it's out already??  Crap! 


EDIT:  <runs out the door>

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Post by: undercovergeek on March 24, 2013, 05:01:04 PM
Just finishing the blood angels 2nd omnibus and then moving onto the ultramarines one

You really should go back and read the 1st Blood Angels one. It's really, REALLY good.

as soon as im home ill order it - theres been plenty of reference to it in the 2nd book - i know i definitely want to read it

Thought it was great when Rafen tried to warn the 10k year old space marine about Horus - very nice bit of history crossing as the Angels left to their doom

its a testament to the authors and the lore that reading about the primarchs gets me all excited
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Post by: JasonPratt on March 25, 2013, 07:08:01 AM
About 75% done with The Dragon Reborn in my grand re-read of the Wheel of Time series. Glad I waited several years to re-read the series after the final book was finally released. Although amusingly, it's taking me about a month per book! (Much slower than my standard read-speed long ago.)

The early books are holding up even better than I was hoping they would. RJ's strategy of having Book 3 focus on the Supergirls and Mat (with a side dash of Perrin) and keeping the eponymous "Dragon Reborn" almost entirely offscreen, was a good idea in hindsight, although (also in hindsight) foreshadowing of major plot creeping to come. I was a bit surprised how much of taint-craziness RJ was already writing Rand into back in Book 2, though -- despite having read that book probably seven times now over the years, I never really noticed that before. But it makes sense considering how taint-crazy he is in this book.

(True, RJ dials it down a lot afterward, but if I recall correctly by Book 4 the LTT personality has started to manifest and it acts as Rand's taint-sink, allowing him to function much more sanely for a while. And I guess it makes sense for Rand to go this crazy by Book 3, considering the stress he's under and how much of the taint he's been guzzling in order to channel proportionate amounts of the Power, not even counting the times in Book 2 he tried to use the Power and got nothing but a mindful of taint instead. This used to bother me a lot but now, eh, I know there are much worse problems looming several books downline, before I get to Knife of Dreams where things start tying up and finally moving forward again at a reasonable pace. I'm not looking forward to the slog from ACoS through CoT, the latter of which I've never even read...)
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Post by: Bison on March 25, 2013, 07:33:55 AM
I've always intended to read the Wheel of Time series, but I'm not ready for a long term book relationship right now.  It's too soon after the Game of Thrones series.
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Post by: Longdan on March 25, 2013, 09:14:49 AM
I started Wheel of Time awhile back and moved quickly through a few of them until my wheel of word count began to bog down
in what seemed to be endless convolutions and just plain endless endlessness.  For me it was one of those things you start racing
through and put down never to feel the urge to pick up again.  It is like the books seem to gain weight as you read them and in a doritos
and twinkies kind of way.
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Post by: bob48 on March 25, 2013, 09:26:46 AM
I had the same problem with the Wheel of Time books. A decent, and more readable series, are the 'Shannara' books by Terry Brooks.
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Post by: JasonPratt on March 25, 2013, 09:28:10 AM
There are neither beginnings nor endings to the Wheel of Time. But especially endings.  ;D

(Well, I guess there is an ending now, so that joke is forever after spoiled. Come to think of it, Tor has been using a version of that joke as a marketing tagline!  :o )

Anyway, yes, it gets very twinkie-bloated in the middle. I've heard from reliable sources that it trims down to fighting form in the last four books, but I sure don't blame anyone for wanting to avoid having to wade through the corpulence at all. Fortunately I enjoyed the story a lot through Book 6, and even for a couple books after that on prior re-reads (which surprised me, as I was hugely disappointed in Books 7 and 8 when I first read them).

So I'm only really worried about Book 9 (which I finished and then quit the series until I heard better of it) and 10 (which I didn't hear better about and so quit until I heard it was not only finished but ended respectably.)

But I know some fans who quit after Book 5 (The Fires of Heaven, which to me is still the series' high water mark) or even Book 4 (The Shadow Rising) for plot-creep bloat. Or even after only Book 3 when what was promised to be a trilogy lost all sense of planning any plot progression in advance!  :P
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Post by: Longdan on March 25, 2013, 11:05:42 AM
Very well said JP.
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Post by: Gusington on March 25, 2013, 12:44:53 PM
Dan you still reading Embers of War? I'm thinking of picking it up.
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Post by: Longdan on March 25, 2013, 01:20:34 PM
Yes I am.  I have just started.  It is very well written but big.  I read fast but I also read 4 or 5 books at a time.
BTW I am taking my daughter down to Vulcan this summer.  You would find it interesting for a minute or two but
it is rather cheezy.
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Post by: Windigo on March 25, 2013, 01:34:44 PM
Yes I am.  I have just started.  It is very well written but big.  I read fast but I also read 4 or 5 books at a time.
BTW I am taking my daughter down to Vulcan this summer.  You would find it interesting for a minute or two but
it is rather cheezy.

cheezy doesn't begin to descibe it... and the journey through Bumblephuk Alberta
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Post by: Longdan on March 25, 2013, 02:09:57 PM
Would you rather go to Vulcan or Vauxhall?  I can set you up with a hot date in Hobbema if you want.
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Post by: Windigo on March 25, 2013, 02:13:09 PM
Would you rather go to Vulcan or Vauxhall?  I can set you up with a hot date in Hobbema if you want.

I am certain you could, but I must take a pass on this generous offer...
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Post by: Longdan on March 25, 2013, 02:15:14 PM
Just call it cultural anthropology with a gunfight thrown in.  Party!!
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Post by: Gusington on March 25, 2013, 03:54:04 PM
Do I want to know what Vulcan or Vauxhall are?

Post impressions of Embers of War if you don't mind. I am interested in Asian colonial history pre-1945, especially Vietnam.
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Post by: Longdan on March 25, 2013, 04:00:17 PM
Mostly it is from the 1940's and ends in the mid 60's.  We watched the rest on TV.
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Post by: Gusington on March 25, 2013, 06:35:12 PM
Oh. Doesn't start after WWI?
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Post by: Longdan on March 25, 2013, 06:47:05 PM
Starts in 1919 but the really important stuff happens after the Japanese are gone since that was a major interruption of everything previous.
WW2 ends around p99. Then there is 600+ pp of the rest.
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Post by: Gusington on March 26, 2013, 06:30:40 AM
That's a long book. I may have to look elsewhere.
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Post by: Longdan on March 26, 2013, 09:30:04 AM
Be not afraid long can equal full of knowledgey goodness stuff.
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Post by: Gusington on March 26, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
I've read a few that long and if the writing is good it's ok.It's when the writing ia not so good that I get squeamish.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on March 26, 2013, 10:53:30 PM
Oh no.  But I spent some time working along the Thai-Laotian-Cambodian border region in the mid '70's.  Things were rather disorganised
there at that time and it was too exciting for a simple prairie boy like me.  Pretty country. Don't like the food.

did you love them long time?
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Post by: Gusington on March 31, 2013, 12:21:54 PM
I have begun reading Richard Connoughton's Rising Sun and Tumbling Bear, for the 2nd time. I couldn't finish it the first time 10 years ago because I felt it dragged too much but this time around it reads better. Read 50 pages since yesterday.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 31, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
I'm reading Naval Operations of the Campaign in Norway April-June 1940.  I'd earlier read a novel about the Norway campaign told from the perspective of a British Sgt and I realized that I really didn't know much about the campaign at all apart from the broadest strokes.  The naval campaign is fascinating and quite brutal.  I didn't realize that so many ships were lost by both sides during the campaign. 
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Post by: Gusington on March 31, 2013, 12:41:15 PM
What kind of assets did Norway have?
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 31, 2013, 12:47:44 PM
Lots of old coastal forts and the world's 4th largest merchant fleet.  The Brits really wanted the Norwegan merchant fleet.  The Germans wanted a port from which they could ship out iron ore from Sweden and a way to ensure the Baltic was shielded from the Royal Navy.  The French wanted a front away from France so it wouldn't be a repeat of WWI. 
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Post by: Staggerwing on March 31, 2013, 12:52:27 PM
It was mostly the British and Germans bashing it out among the Fjords. The Norwegians had only a few obsolete coastal defense ships and some patrol boats. The most potent naval weapons they fielded were really the shore batteries that sank one of the German heavy cruisers, the Blucher. The Norwegians actually had land-based torpedo launchers as well that they used to finish off the Blucher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Norwegian_Navy#History
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Post by: Gusington on March 31, 2013, 01:17:10 PM
Interesting...land based torpedo launchers! Seems a little ridiculously overkill for the Germans to use a heavy cruiser in the fjords...
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Post by: Staggerwing on March 31, 2013, 01:34:05 PM
The Blucher was part of the covering force for the German invasion of Norway.
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Post by: besilarius on March 31, 2013, 01:53:08 PM
http://www.nuav.net/Batberg.html

A norwegian account of the attack.
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Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 31, 2013, 03:18:52 PM
The Free Poles and the French were also involved.  The story of the Polish submarine Orzel is an interesting one.  Shame she got sunk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Orze%C5%82_%281938%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Orze%C5%82_%281938%29)
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Post by: Longdan on March 31, 2013, 08:44:25 PM
No mention of the screen door.
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Post by: Longdan on April 03, 2013, 07:08:47 PM
Reading: Bloodlands  Timothy Snyder.  The story, not so well known in the West, of Eastern Europe between Hitler and Stalin before and during WW2.
And we thought the 1930's in Saskatchewan were rough!
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Post by: TheCommandTent on April 03, 2013, 07:33:21 PM
Currently reading Cain at Gettysburg by Ralph Peters and playing some Scourge of War Gettysburg along with it.  Makes for an immersive experience.  :)
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on April 03, 2013, 09:19:03 PM
I enjoyed Cain at Gettysburg.  I appreciated someone telling the story from Meade's perspective for once.  He's one of the more underestimated generals of the Civil War IMO.
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Post by: Longdan on April 03, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
Linky: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/nov/11/worst-madness/?pagination=false
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Post by: MetalDog on April 04, 2013, 04:47:18 AM
A sad note for Iain Banks fans:

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/blogs/blog--writer-iain-banks-makes-a-very-sad-and-classy-announcement-that-hes-dying
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Post by: eyebiter on April 04, 2013, 08:30:54 AM
Roadside Picnic - Soviet era science fiction novel, later adapted into the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. movie and video game series.
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Post by: bob48 on April 04, 2013, 02:07:12 PM
A sad note for Iain Banks fans:

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/blogs/blog--writer-iain-banks-makes-a-very-sad-and-classy-announcement-that-hes-dying

That's very sad, I'm a big fan of his Culture books, and in fact I'm reading 'Look to Windward' at the moment. A great loss, and under such terrible circumstances.
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Post by: Longdan on April 04, 2013, 02:18:46 PM
We are all gonna die.  Even me.  :P  I admire his courage and exit plan.  I won't have time for that when the bus runs me over in the ditch during my "nap".
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Post by: Greybriar on April 04, 2013, 06:10:46 PM
A sad note for Iain Banks fans:

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/blogs/blog--writer-iain-banks-makes-a-very-sad-and-classy-announcement-that-hes-dying

I think it's terrible when someone is informed they have a terminal illness. I really feel for the man. At least he is making the most of it by getting married and doing what he wants to do while he can.

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Post by: Bison on April 08, 2013, 01:25:11 PM
1939 in the Shadow of War by Robert Kee.  It's basically a rundown of the news and events.  Not sure how exciting it'll be but it was very interesting as I read it at the library.
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Post by: Longdan on April 08, 2013, 02:17:28 PM
Similar.......try In War's Dark Shadow by W. Bruce Lincoln about pre WW1 Russia.
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Post by: Bison on April 08, 2013, 03:23:09 PM
I did see a couple of similar books about the lead up to WW1.  Don't remember if I saw that particular title, but I'll keep an eye out for it.  Although I'd suspect it has more to do with the lead up to the White/Red Russian civil war.
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Post by: Shelldrake on April 08, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Finished Day by Day Armageddon : Shattered Hourglass. It was worth reading, even though the last few chapters could charitably be described as a hurried mess. Good grief.

Next book on my to-read list.

Curious to hear what you think of it. I liked it well enough, even with a major change to the way it's told, but...yeah. The ending's a bit weird.

I enjoyed the first half more than the last half. I didn't mind the change from 1st person too much since it let the reader get in the mind of some of the other characters. Plot twist away from strict zombie tale was ok but I agree about the last few chapters being really rushed and not up to snuff. After reading the last page my reaction was WTF?! Not sure if this was the end of the series or not but I likely won't be buying the next if there is one. Too bad as the first 2 books were great. :(
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Post by: Greybriar on April 08, 2013, 04:15:55 PM
I just finished Siege of Heaven, the third book of a trilogy by Tom Harper (http://www.tom-harper.co.uk/index.htm). Now I've started reading The Darkness that Comes Before by R. Scott Bakker (http://www.rscottbakker.com/), the first book of--you guessed it!--a series of three fantasy novels.
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Post by: Longdan on April 08, 2013, 04:30:30 PM
I did see a couple of similar books about the lead up to WW1.  Don't remember if I saw that particular title, but I'll keep an eye out for it.  Although I'd suspect it has more to do with the lead up to the White/Red Russian civil war.
I covers the entire period from before 1914 to after the Civil War.  With some commentary about the even worst catastrophe that followed.
IMHOP nobody knows suffering like the people of Eastern Europe, particularly anybody who lived in Ukraine, Belarus, Poland 1914-1954 or so.
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Post by: Gusington on April 08, 2013, 06:42:19 PM
Greybriar you've piqued my interest in The Darkness That Comes Before...please post some more as you go along.
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Post by: MetalDog on April 08, 2013, 08:50:37 PM
Bakker is a fracking genius.  You should really read his stuff.  I was unable to finish the trilogy I was reading, as I moved, and have not subsequently gone back to it.  the first two were outstanding.  Sorry I don't have the titles.
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Post by: Arctic Blast on April 08, 2013, 11:39:14 PM
Finished Day by Day Armageddon : Shattered Hourglass. It was worth reading, even though the last few chapters could charitably be described as a hurried mess. Good grief.

Next book on my to-read list.

Curious to hear what you think of it. I liked it well enough, even with a major change to the way it's told, but...yeah. The ending's a bit weird.

I enjoyed the first half more than the last half. I didn't mind the change from 1st person too much since it let the reader get in the mind of some of the other characters. Plot twist away from strict zombie tale was ok but I agree about the last few chapters being really rushed and not up to snuff. After reading the last page my reaction was WTF?! Not sure if this was the end of the series or not but I likely won't be buying the next if there is one. Too bad as the first 2 books were great. :(

I honestly don't understand the last page...the computer was alive? Or something? And what exactly happened that the Chinese 'alien' ended up being what it was? I guess that's the end of the series, though. Pretty sure I've read somewhere that the author's moving on to a new one.

As for my readings, I finished Wars of the Roses. Interesting bit of History, and the relation to the Song of Ice & Fire series is rather apparent. And now...not sure. I've got a Peter Hamilton book called Pandora's Star sitting here that was recommended to me over a year ago. Maybe I'll finally try getting in to that.  :D
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Post by: Greybriar on April 09, 2013, 06:05:55 AM
Greybriar you've piqued my interest in The Darkness That Comes Before...please post some more as you go along.

I've barely scratched the surface of this book, Gus. But I can see already that it won't be a snap to read due to the manner in which it was written. The main character's name is apparently Anasûrimbor instead of something simple like Jack. The style of writing requires the reader to pay close attention. If I stick to it until the end, it will take a long while to get there. You would be better off reading the Amazon Customer Reviews (http://www.amazon.com/Darkness-Comes-Before-Prince-Nothing/product-reviews/1590201183/ref=pr_all_summary_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1) than waiting for me to comment.
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Post by: Gusington on April 09, 2013, 06:42:05 AM
I saw that name when I checked it out on Amazon last night...odd one.
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Post by: Windigo on April 09, 2013, 10:04:38 AM
The HBO series Game of Thrones, is going too slow for me now, so I am reading the book(s)
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Post by: Martok on April 09, 2013, 02:28:54 PM
Thanks to a conversation I was having with a friend a few days ago -- and pursuant to my having recently finished Shadow of Freedom -- I've been rereading the first two Honor Harrington novels (On Basilisk Station and The Honor of the Queen). 

I've already finished the former, and am now halfway through the latter.  Out of an overall fantastic series, these two remain my favorites by far.  I forget sometimes just how much I enjoy them. 

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Post by: Gusington on April 10, 2013, 07:57:43 PM
I'm 50 pages in to The Scourge by Roberto Calas. It takes place during the Black Death in England with the alternate turn that the plague, besides killing everyone, also turns them into zombies. I did not know this when I pre-ordered but I have to admit the book is very well written. It was assembled from a series the author did online and Calas writes pretty vividly. A lot of you would love it, I think.
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Post by: TheCommandTent on April 10, 2013, 08:02:05 PM
On a recommendation I just started The Sword of Shannara by Terry Brooks.
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Post by: MetalDog on April 10, 2013, 08:27:01 PM
On a recommendation I just started The Sword of Shannara by Terry Brooks.

Let me recommend that you stop.  You can't get back the time you will waste on the endeavor.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on April 10, 2013, 09:17:06 PM
On a recommendation I just started The Sword of Shannara by Terry Brooks.

Let me recommend that you stop.  You can't get back the time you will waste on the endeavor.

Can you give me any more info/reasoning than that. :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on April 10, 2013, 09:47:24 PM
On a recommendation I just started The Sword of Shannara by Terry Brooks.

That is time you could spend much more enjoyably lancing goat boils, scrubbing toilets and sitting in a drunk tank or mucking out barns.
The Telephone Book of Shannara etc was, for me, a dreadful experience of derivative bumpf at best and a nauseating twinky-dreck festival the rest of the time.
I will never ever get that part of my life and my literary  innocence back.  It is an abomination unto the goddess.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on April 10, 2013, 10:24:27 PM
On a recommendation I just started The Sword of Shannara by Terry Brooks.

Let me recommend that you stop.  You can't get back the time you will waste on the endeavor.

Can you give me any more info/reasoning than that. :)

It's almost a direct Tolkien ripoff.  And not a well written one at that.   Let me put it this way, I read the books in my early teens.  Even then I knew that stuff was dreck.  His best book, that I read, was Magic Kingdom For Sale: Sold.  The second book in the Shannara trilogy, Elfstones of Shannara wasn't terrible, but you would have to read the first and third one to make any sense of it and that's to be avoided at all costs.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on April 10, 2013, 10:36:27 PM
You are right.  Oh so right.  The first part is a direct rip off of The Fellowship of The Ring but sillier and stupider and ultimately lame as a two legged dog.
There are Darkly Foreboding Signs of Bad Things and Scary Monsters! OOOOOOOHHHHHH!  And plucky little protagonists.  Since Terry Brooks was a lawyer
you'd think he could have put something truly horrible in there like a +17 Family Law Specialist but he produces a grocery clerk with pointy ears glued on
and an "elf" sign on its back.  I think I am going to be sick.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on April 11, 2013, 06:40:33 AM
On a recommendation I just started The Sword of Shannara by Terry Brooks.

Let me recommend that you stop.  You can't get back the time you will waste on the endeavor.

Can you give me any more info/reasoning than that. :)

It's almost a direct Tolkien ripoff.  And not a well written one at that.   Let me put it this way, I read the books in my early teens.  Even then I knew that stuff was dreck.  His best book, that I read, was Magic Kingdom For Sale: Sold.  The second book in the Shannara trilogy, Elfstones of Shannara wasn't terrible, but you would have to read the first and third one to make any sense of it and that's to be avoided at all costs.

Ok that is fair enough.  Would you have recommendation to take its place instead within the fantasy genre. :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 06:59:04 AM
Oh good grief.  The Sword of Shannara isn't that bad.  In fact I rather liked the Shannara series.

The Belgariad and Malloreon series by David Eddings are also good quick reads. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on April 11, 2013, 08:33:11 AM
Oh good grief.  The Sword of Shannara isn't that bad.  In fact I rather liked the Shannara series.

The Belgariad and Malloreon series by David Eddings are also good quick reads.

The Riftwar Saga by Raymond Feist is also good.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on April 11, 2013, 08:43:36 AM
Feist's Riftwar series definitely.

Having not read any of Shannara, nor any of Eddings' books, I have routinely heard from people I trust that Eddings is much better at aping LotR. Even though the Mallorean series is itself kind of a remake of the Belgariad. (But I know someone who when moving to California kept the Mallo rather than pack the Belg, because if she was going to reread one or the other the Mallo was a superior version of basically the same story.)


Or, if we're talking about 70s/80s fantasy, may I suggest the Coramonde duology by Brian Daley? Hard to find perhaps, but it doesn't take forever to read, is packed with niftiness and details, and starts with the concept of a Vietnam APC squad being summoned to deal with a dragon and then largely ditches that about halfway through the first book because the rest of the story is strong enough to stand on its own merits.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 08:47:23 AM
The Riftwar Saga by Raymond Feist is also good.

This one has been on my list for sometime.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Steelgrave on April 11, 2013, 08:58:25 AM
If you haven't read Joe Abercrombie's The First Law series, you're missing one of the best trilogies out there. The Blade Itself, Before They Are Hanged and Last Argument of Kings are amazing and will hook you. Abercrombie has followed up with more in the same universe that are very good as well, but this trilogy should be read by anyone who enjoys fantasy.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on April 11, 2013, 09:06:45 AM
Oh good grief.  The Sword of Shannara isn't that bad.  In fact I rather liked the Shannara series.

The Belgariad and Malloreon series by David Eddings are also good quick reads.

Bison!  You love wordcount it seems.  You should have loved some of my posts instead of reacting like you did.  Sword is written like you asked your eleven year old brother for a 300 page book report on Fellowship of the Ring.
Eddings stuff is okay and at least original enough.  There are many, many books better than the Shannarra Telephone Book. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on April 11, 2013, 09:21:50 AM
I clicked on this thread to see what I'd missed. Last time I was in here we were on page 22. Now it's up to 50.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to go back and read every post, though I'm sure there will be some excellent recommendations...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 11, 2013, 09:25:29 AM
I told you a bookworm forum was a good idea!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on April 11, 2013, 09:42:19 AM
Just finished Storm of War by Andrew Roberts.  It's a one volume history of WWII written by a Brit.  It was very interesting to read what events the British choose to emphasize and deemphasize in tha war.  Overall a really good read.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 09:48:52 AM
I told you a bookworm forum was a good idea!

I believe if you go back in the history of grogheads; it was I Bison who proposed a separate book forum distinct from the movie, television, and music forum.  However, my friend, I will concede my glory so you may have a victory.  8)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on April 11, 2013, 10:04:42 AM
I told you a bookworm forum was a good idea!

Yes, you did. It was a great idea.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 10:06:05 AM
I told you a bookworm forum was a good idea!

Yes, you did. It was a great idea.

You clearly missed my post!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on April 11, 2013, 10:09:08 AM
Praise the Bison!!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: son_of_montfort on April 11, 2013, 10:12:18 AM
Some of my favorites:

The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson - probably my favorite sci-fi fantasy book, great beach reading, and I am really looking forward to the next one!

Wool and Dust by Hugh Howey - I just finished these, devoured them! Excellent books about a post-apocalyptic society.

My friend tells me I need to read Iain Bank's Culture novels, so I am starting on those. Unfortunately, Mr. Banks was recently diagnosed with terminal and late-stage cancer, with only months to live, so he said there would be no more books forthcoming.  :'( Terrible news and I feel bad for him and his family.

I also have several books on the Crusades that I have to read this summer to prepare for a Crusades and Hundred Years War class next spring. The big book is going to be God's War: A New History of the Crusades by Christopher Tyerman. It is a GIANT book and it seems VERY detailed and informative!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: LongBlade on April 11, 2013, 10:28:53 AM
You clearly missed my post!

I miss a lot of stuff. Sorry.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 10:37:06 AM
It's ok.  I make up glory for myself in my head.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on April 11, 2013, 04:03:39 PM
Tent, Feist's Riftwar Saga is excellent.  Magician Apprentice, Magician Master, Darkness at Sethanon and Silverthorn are the four titles that make up the series.  It was written by him after roleplaying it with his D&D group.  And I would go with the Belgariad over the Malloreon by Eddings, but it is essentially the same story told twice.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 04:37:01 PM
The Malloreon also has all of the follow on books for the individual characters.  That being said I think I have a nostalgic view of the Belgariad   I read the series back in the day as they were released.  I can remember waiting and waiting for the next book to be released.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 04:42:17 PM
Piers Anthony also has some good fantasy series.  The Xanth series is at like 30 some odd books. 

However On a Pale Horse book 1 of the Incarnations of Immortality is pretty classic IMO.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on April 11, 2013, 04:52:52 PM
I like the Xanth books, but the original five books of the Incarnations of Immortality are REALLY good.  They added a sixth on Satan and a seventh on God and they just weren't as good as the first five.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on April 11, 2013, 04:54:10 PM
Oh, and I dug the Belgariad, too.  However, I found it after the books had all been published ;) I just went back and re-read it last year and enjoyed it again. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on April 11, 2013, 04:54:26 PM
The Malloreon also has all of the follow on books for the individual characters.  That being said I think I have a nostalgic view of the Belgariad   I read the series back in the day as they were released.  I can remember waiting and waiting for the next book to be released.

I liked the Belgariad well enough.  It was at least a multiderivative world.  The obscure prophesies by a mad prophet trope got old quick.
I remember feeling disjointed in time a bit.  Like a bunch of stuff happened thousands of years ago even though it could have been yesterday
and nothing happened at all for all the endless boring centuries until now when everybody just picked up their weapons and went at it again.
It certainly lacked "wow" moments.
Guy Gavriel Kay's books have a very real and very rich sense of time and place and culture which he has lifted straight out of historical analogues.
Except for his first books, his are my current fave.  Tigana actually made me cry.  Even Bison can't make me cry
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: TheCommandTent on April 11, 2013, 05:41:37 PM
Thanks guys.  Lots of recommendations to sift through.  My reading list continues to grow.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 06:43:01 PM
The Incarnations of Immorality is about a guy who takes over for Death.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on April 11, 2013, 06:46:45 PM
On A Pale Horse is about a guy who takes over for Death.  the other four are War, Fate, Time and Mother earth.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 06:52:06 PM
Details man.  I'm just trying to get him hooked.  :D
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on April 11, 2013, 06:57:35 PM
Up until On A Pale Horse, I had never had anything jar me like him shooting Death. Totally blew my mind :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on April 11, 2013, 07:02:44 PM
Up until On A Pale Horse, I had never had anything jar me like him shooting Death. Totally blew my mind :)

I might need to get this for my kindle and re-read it.  It's only been about ----- years.  OMG!  I'm getting old!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on April 14, 2013, 03:22:19 PM
I had the same problem with the Wheel of Time books. A decent, and more readable series, are the 'Shannara' books by Terry Brooks.

They are ok. I cut my teeth (pre-teen) with the Belgariad. Good series. Xanth was also good. Both were written by guys in Florida IIRC. The Thomas Covenant stuff was good if a bit weird.

If you want Jordan writing well you need to try his take on Conan which is hard to do past the teen years. His Conan the Barbarian was the basis of the movie. His \conan the destroyer was the basis of the sequel IIRC.

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on April 14, 2013, 03:27:45 PM
Piers Anthony also has some good fantasy series.  The Xanth series is at like 30 some odd books. 

However On a Pale Horse book 1 of the Incarnations of Immortality is pretty classic IMO.

All the I of I were good.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on April 14, 2013, 03:31:17 PM
This is at the top of my most wanted list.
http://www.amazon.ca/The-End-Power-Boardrooms-Battlefields/dp/0465031560 (http://www.amazon.ca/The-End-Power-Boardrooms-Battlefields/dp/0465031560)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on April 16, 2013, 08:05:41 AM
As soon as I finish The Short Victorious War (Honor Harrington series), I'll resume my reading of Bernard Cornwell's 1356.  He's brought back Thomas of Hookton, and the Hundred Years War continues... 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 16, 2013, 09:00:24 AM
I am just about done with The Scourge by Roberto Calas amd many of you guys would love it...it's a dark story of zombie plague in late medieval England, but it has me laughing my ass off in spots. Great book.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on April 17, 2013, 05:19:29 AM
I am just about done with The Scourge by Roberto Calas amd many of you guys would love it...it's a dark story of zombie plague in late medieval England, but it has me laughing my ass off in spots. Great book.

Thanks. I will check it out.

Serf brains.....mmmmm.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 17, 2013, 06:33:20 AM
The publisher of The Scourge is the same publisher of what I am going to read next, Book One of The Mongoliad. Their name is 47 North IIRC and they appear to specialize in producing books from online projects and blogs. The Scourge is of surprisingly high quality with almost no typos, etc. Hoping for the same in The Mongoliad.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 17, 2013, 12:14:45 PM
Just arrived today off amazon. 'The Wind Through the Keyhole', book 8 (book 4.1/2?) in King's 'Dark Tower' series.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Barthheart on April 17, 2013, 12:23:28 PM
Just arrived today off amazon. 'The Wind Through the Keyhole', book 8 (book 4.1/2?) in King's 'Dark Tower' series.

Listened to that on my drive to FLA last Dec. Not so much a continuation as an aside. Good fun.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 17, 2013, 12:27:42 PM
Fill's in some background stuff as I understand it, but it'll be nice to get into the charactors again.

Oy!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on April 17, 2013, 01:08:30 PM
On A Pale Horse is about a guy who takes over for Death.  the other four are War, Fate, Time and Mother earth.

sold!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on April 17, 2013, 06:02:35 PM
On A Pale Horse is about a guy who takes over for Death.  The other four are War, Fate, Time and Mother earth.

sold!

Awesome, geek!  You'll like them.  But don't be tempted to read the sixth an seventh books.  Satan is six and God is seven.  Six is ok, but seven is just awful.  They were added after the successful run of the first five.  In other words, you're not missing anything and you might just spoil your enjoyment of the rest :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 20, 2013, 10:26:04 AM
Just started Between Two Fires by Christopher Buehlman. It takes place in Normandy during the plague and the Hundred Years War and has a large dose of demons and angels, very well written so far. Buehlman also wrote Those Across the River, a southern gothic werewolf story, that I read last year and loved.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on April 23, 2013, 12:58:51 AM
Just finished The Man Who Saved the Union: Ulysses S. Grant in War and Peace.  Grant is one of my favorite historical persons.  I've read two biographies of him in the past year and it seems he has been much maligned by historians until relatively recently.  One of the best men to have served as general or president in our country's history, IMHO.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: spelk on April 23, 2013, 03:25:22 AM
Currently reading through this, to give me a better sense of how all my conflict interests fit into the overall scene of British History..

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/british-history-for-dummies-cheat-sheet.html
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 23, 2013, 06:38:21 AM
AR you'll have to elaborate on Grant, the main characteristic that is generally focused on is his drinking habit and I have seen him appear on many Top 10 Worst US Presidents lists, usually right behind Millard Fillmore or Franklin Pierce. Now you've gone and turned the tables!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on April 24, 2013, 11:03:35 AM
AR you'll have to elaborate on Grant, the main characteristic that is generally focused on is his drinking habit and I have seen him appear on many Top 10 Worst US Presidents lists, usually right behind Millard Fillmore or Franklin Pierce. Now you've gone and turned the tables!

Well, keep in mind this is just from my reading two biographies (biographies can tend to be partisans for their subjects) and his memoirs, but here goes.  I think I remember you have a master's in history, am I right?

His reputation as a drunk was earned in California under rather unfair circumstances and magnified later by rivals and people who he fired when he was general-in-chief.  Not to say that he didn't have a problem, but he dealt with it effectively so that it didn't interfere with his duties.

He never demonstrated the 'Peter principle' of being promoted to his level of incompetence.  He was effective at every level from lieutenant to lieutenant general.  As a commander he understood his tools.  His campaigns in the west, particularly Fts. Henry and Donelson, Vicksburg, and Chatenooga, were examples of brilliant maneuver.  In the east he understood that the Army of the Potomac was a large blunt instrument and he used it as such, though even here he demonstrated a great deal of daring in his crossing of the James river.  He also won not just the respect but the admiration of such strong personalities as Sherman, Meade, and Sheridan.

As far as a president, I don't know how he ranks, but it seems from what I've read that he was a genuinely good man, maybe one of the best to have held the office.  After the war he used his prestige to ensure that the Johnson administration would not prosecute Confederates including most notably Robert E. Lee.  He was probably the only president who made an effort to honor treaties with the indians and also the only president in the 1800's who actually cared about the civil rights of the freedmen enough to use federal power to ensure them.

Anyway, I'm rambling at this point.  I'm a northerner so my bias is probably showing.  Suffice it to say I'm a great admirer of Grant after reading these books.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 24, 2013, 01:11:36 PM
Hey I'm a Yankee too. I should qualify my questions above by saying that I have read of Grant being both a great commander and terrible at everything else he ever tried. Also read that he was a decent human being which could have translated into him being a bad politician too.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: spelk on April 24, 2013, 03:58:46 PM
Even though I'm just a limey, I'd like to stand up and declare myself a Yankee too! Maine(ly) down to my unhealthy fascination and obsession with Joshua L. Chamberlain. :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 24, 2013, 05:33:32 PM
^You're a Brit too?? Gah they're everywhere :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on April 24, 2013, 05:46:47 PM
Just finished The Man Who Saved the Union: Ulysses S. Grant in War and Peace.  Grant is one of my favorite historical persons.  I've read two biographies of him in the past year and it seems he has been much maligned by historians until relatively recently.  One of the best men to have served as general or president in our country's history, IMHO.

Thanks for the heads up on this, AR. Grant is one of my favorites too. Much maligned, unjustly so. It's nice to see him given more his due in newer historical works.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on April 25, 2013, 12:51:40 AM
^You're a Brit too?? Gah they're everywhere :)

Oy!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on April 25, 2013, 07:23:45 AM
Argh.  Having just finished rereading the Honorverse novel Field of Dishonor (which is always painful for me, given what Harrington suffers through), am now beginning Flag in Exile.  Must stop rereading HH books after this one! 




Also read that he was a decent human being which could have translated into him being a bad politician too.

This has long been my understanding of Grant as well -- that he was indeed a good man, but a terrible President (a little like Carter in that respect). 


He oversaw one of the most corrupt Administrations (if not *the* most corrupt) our country has ever seen.  He himself was honest enough, but he was apparently unwilling or unable to prevent his underlings from robbing the public blind (possibly because he wasn't really aware of what they're doing). 

I've always wondered if he didn't suffer from a certain degree of willful blindness where that issue was concerned.  To be fair, though, he also seemed to want to believe the best about people -- and disbelieve the worst -- so that could be a factor as well. 


However, I agree his drinking problem was indeed exaggerated.  And he maybe wasn't a brilliant military commander per se, but he was (for the most part) extremely competent.  While I think Lee was the better tactician, Grant was the better strategist IMO -- and he was willing to use his advantage in men & material ruthlessly. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on April 25, 2013, 08:19:51 AM
The reputation of Grant's presidency has certainly suffered over the years, though the corruption there too seems to have been exaggerated, at least according to what I've read.  It's interesting to note that had he stood for a third term as many wanted him to he would have won in a landslide, that he was almost drafted to run for president again four years later despite not wanting the nomination, and that at his death he was considered the greatest American since Washington.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 25, 2013, 02:24:42 PM
I found Grant's autobiography to be a very interesting book. It does seem that he was less than successful in all his  endeavours, other than the Civil War.

On a different note; I have just ordered three more Stackpole books from amazon to add to my growing collection of their publications;

Battle of the Bulge: Losheim Gap / Holding the Line.
The Black Bull: From Normandy to the Baltic with the 11th Armoured Division.
The Battle of France: Six Weeks That Changed the World.

The 3 cost me £1.27 for the books and £8.40 postage - from the USA!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 25, 2013, 06:11:31 PM
^HA now you sound like me...I get books for .01 and pay 3.99 shipping from the UK :/
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 26, 2013, 12:00:41 PM
OK. So how do we work this to our advantage?

I buy the books that you like from the UK, and you buy the books I like from the US, then we......erm, post 'em to each other.....

Um, I think my plan has a flaw in it somewhere   ???
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on April 26, 2013, 12:29:29 PM
OK. So how do we work this to our advantage?

I buy the books that you like from the UK, and you buy the books I like from the US, then we......erm, post 'em to each other.....

Um, I think my plan has a flaw in it somewhere   ???
p o s t.....It might be cheaper these days to read them to each other over the fone.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 26, 2013, 12:38:26 PM
You could well be right.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 26, 2013, 08:04:34 PM
I can put the phone next to me while I read to my daughters before bed. I'll call collect.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 27, 2013, 05:17:58 AM
...(crackle, hiss...)

Oh dear, seems to be something wrong with my phone..........hullo?

Hmm. Wonder who that was trying to get through?

Probably some jerk trying to sell me something.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on April 27, 2013, 06:25:05 AM
Bob, make sure the string is tight and the soup can is free of any rust.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 27, 2013, 06:46:39 AM
Bob, make sure the string is tight and the soup can is free of any rust.

Should I take the soup outta the can first?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on April 27, 2013, 09:54:02 AM
Bob, make sure the string is tight and the soup can is free of any rust.

Should I take the soup outta the can first?
Rust gives an interesting reverb quality.  However, leave soup in can, put can in sock and Madame Robert don't need a frying pan.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 27, 2013, 10:41:11 AM
Ah, and she shouts the name of a Marx Brother film before she swings it?

'DUCK! - SOUP'
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on April 27, 2013, 11:59:05 AM
Skull crushin' fun!!  Yeehaw!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 27, 2013, 12:05:58 PM
I actually got hit by a rock in a sock when I was about 12 and almost lost my left eye. True story!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on April 27, 2013, 12:10:15 PM
But you obviously found it again and that is good.
Happy ending.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on April 27, 2013, 12:21:29 PM
^A neighbor girl jumped me from behind while I was walking to pick up up little sister from school. She said she thought I was someone else. She was my neighbor and twice my size. Her mother made her apologize to me while I settled the swelling with a steak. God I can steal feel it...it really hurt. Don't mess with socks in rocks.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on April 27, 2013, 12:33:44 PM
No sir, no sir, Mr Gus-I-am. We shall not mess with socks in rocks or rocks in socks!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 27, 2013, 01:29:07 PM
Rocks in socks don't rock.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on April 27, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
Rocks in socks don't rock.

But fox on rocks do


Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 27, 2013, 02:15:51 PM
Yep - that rocks!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on April 27, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Rocks in socks don't rock.

But fox on rocks do


And so do socks on fox, or fox in socks:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-b2YRenZCFms/UFVLXfEugVI/AAAAAAAAAdo/UcOblr8BhiI/s1600/F4040_minka_kelly_socks.jpg)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 27, 2013, 02:29:08 PM
Fox rocks in socks, and I'd like to get Fox on my rocks.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on April 27, 2013, 02:38:33 PM
But then Mrs Bob's frypan would Gloiiiing your clock...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on April 27, 2013, 02:45:26 PM
But then Mrs Bob's frypan would Gloiiiing your clock...

...and I'd finish up with my rocks in my socks.
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Post by: Gusington on April 27, 2013, 02:57:43 PM
Full circle! Good night everyone.
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Post by: eyebiter on April 28, 2013, 08:31:50 AM
Decision in the Ukraine: German Panzer operations on the Eastern Front, Summer 1943
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Post by: Windigo on April 29, 2013, 09:49:32 AM
Fox rocks in socks, and I'd like to get Fox on my rocks.

she can hop on pop....
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Post by: Shelldrake on April 30, 2013, 05:28:31 AM
I just finished Issue in Doubt by David Sherman.

Overall a good military science fiction tale...except for the ending. I know that this is meant to be an ongoing series but the low page count and lack of any sort of resolution at the end smacks of a cheap ploy to compell readers to buy the author's next book. Other authors such as Jack Campbell and Ian Douglas (aka William Keith) have managed to create satisfying endings for individual books of an ongoing series so why can't David Sherman?!
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Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on April 30, 2013, 08:50:36 PM
Fox rocks in socks, and I'd like to get Fox on my rocks.

I would spank that fox with my rocks.
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Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on April 30, 2013, 09:15:20 PM
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Post by: DoctorQuest on May 05, 2013, 08:08:00 PM
I was visiting my brother and we made a trip to B&N to look at Nooks or Kindles or whatever gadget they sell. I stumbled across a compilation of seven of H.G. Wells' novels.

Getting ready to start on "The Time Traveler". I can't help thinking about The Big Bang Theory episode where they buy the time machine prop.
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Post by: Greybriar on May 05, 2013, 09:41:11 PM
Greybriar you've piqued my interest in The Darkness That Comes Before...please post some more as you go along.

I finally finished reading The Darkness That Comes Before. It was a little hard to follow due to the names being so unfamiliar and at a glance many of them looked alike to me. The book contained a few scenes that were really freaky. Life is cheap in the story and many have died, including some characters I had thought would be around for awhile. Characters range from the lowest classes in society to near deities. All in all I enjoyed the book and am looking forward to reading The Warrior Prophet: The Prince of Nothing.

While I'm waiting for its sequel, I am reading The War that Made America by Fred Anderson. It is definitely a change of pace.
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Post by: Martok on May 05, 2013, 11:22:48 PM
Sherlock Holmes The Valley of Fear

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Post by: bob48 on May 06, 2013, 05:01:18 AM
Greybriar you've piqued my interest in The Darkness That Comes Before...please post some more as you go along.

I finally finished reading The Darkness That Comes Before. It was a little hard to follow due to the names being so unfamiliar and at a glance many of them looked alike to me. The book contained a few scenes that were really freaky. Life is cheap in the story and many have died, including some characters I had thought would be around for awhile. Characters range from the lowest classes in society to near deities. All in all I enjoyed the book and am looking forward to reading The Warrior Prophet: The Prince of Nothing.

While I'm waiting for its sequel, I am reading The War that Made America by Fred Anderson. It is definitely a change of pace.

They are pretty hard-hitting stories. I've recently finish reading 'White Luck Warrior', which is good. Not sure when the next one comes out.
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Post by: Gusington on May 06, 2013, 06:55:39 AM
Greybriar I loved Fred Andersen's previous book on the French and Indian War...one of the best books I have ever read.
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Post by: Greybriar on May 06, 2013, 09:30:50 AM
It looks like I've found a couple of winners then, Bob and Gus.
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Post by: bob48 on May 06, 2013, 10:04:16 AM
Certainly the R.Scott.Bakker books are epic in scale and should keep you busy for a while - enjoy 'em Greybriar!
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Post by: Gusington on May 06, 2013, 12:42:37 PM
Fred Anderson's Crucible of War that I mention above was also one.of the longest books I have ever finished at close to 1000 pages IIRC.
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 06, 2013, 01:59:27 PM
^^ Speaking of long books, I'm up to the end of Book 4 of WoT now (again), The Shadow Rising, in my year-long reread. TSR may be the highest wordcount of the series; if not it's close. The first three books I finished in a month each, but this one is taking me an extra week or two, throwing me off schedule.

Fortunately, TSR is regarded by many fans as the high watermark of the series for good reasons, although (also fortunately) I do think The Fires of Heaven tops it overall, and I'll be getting to that next of course.

(And then the downward slog begins for a long, lonnnnnng time. ;) )
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Post by: Martok on May 06, 2013, 04:52:16 PM
^  Good man.  Nice to know I'm not the only masochist around here.  :P 


I'm trying very hard to hold off on rereading WoT myself until A Memory of Light is available in paperback.  Gah! 

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Post by: MetalDog on May 06, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
JP & Martok, except for being able to say that you finished it, why on God's green Earth would you bother?!?!?  Thick books and high word counts don't bother me, but, gratuitous padding and a story that runs like tar is just, well, masochistic! What that series REALLY needs is an editor.  Somebody to go in and tidy the 52 books in to a more readable six or seven.  THEN you would have a series!
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Post by: Martok on May 06, 2013, 06:16:44 PM
What part of "masochist" is unclear to you?  :P 

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Post by: MetalDog on May 06, 2013, 06:24:52 PM
What part of "masochist" is unclear to you?  :P

I saw that, but my unending and undying hatred for the extraneous crap he stuffed his books with makes me wonder why nominally sane people would subject themselves to that torture, masochist or not!  :)
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Post by: Martok on May 07, 2013, 04:07:27 AM
All right, Valley of Fear is done; only a few more stories left to go through.  I've had a blast rereading The Complete Sherlock Holmes so far; remind me not to wait over ten years before reading them again! 



I've decided I'm going to reread the Star Trek Rihannsu/Bloodwing novels by Diane Duane.  Of all Trek book series I've experienced thus far, this one has to be my favorite -- and one of the relatively few Trek novels I feel warrants a yearly reread. 

That's pretty impressive when you consider that I'm generally a much bigger fan of The Next Generation TV show than The Original Series (which the series is set in), and that I'm usually more interested in the Cardassians & Klingons than the Romulans.  On the other hand, Duane is one of my two favorite Star Trek authors (the other being Keith R. A. DeCandido), so it's really not surprising I enjoy these books so much. 

Also, prior to Nemesis and Enterprise, the Romulans get featured so rarely, whether in books, movies, or TV, it's kind of a treat to see them receive an in-depth exploration for once.  Duane really delves into their history, psychology, cultural mores, etc., dating all the way back their roots on Vulcan prior to Surak and the Reformation and their subsequent exodus to (the worlds that would be eventually be known as) Romulus & Remus.  It's unfortunately non-canon (as anyone who's seen the aforementioned Nemesis and/or Enterprise can attest), but it's still a great read. 





What part of "masochist" is unclear to you?  :P

I saw that, but my unending and undying hatred for the extraneous crap he stuffed his books with makes me wonder why nominally sane people would subject themselves to that torture, masochist or not!  :)

I'm flattered you consider me even nominally sane.  You're most kind, sir.  ;) 

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Post by: JasonPratt on May 07, 2013, 07:00:44 AM
JP & Martok, except for being able to say that you finished it, why on God's green Earth would you bother?!?!?  Thick books and high word counts don't bother me, but, gratuitous padding and a story that runs like tar is just, well, masochistic! What that series REALLY needs is an editor.  Somebody to go in and tidy the 52 books in to a more readable six or seven.  THEN you would have a series!

I'll most likely skim over the most offending books in the late-middle portion and pick back up with KoD.

While I was disappointed in both ACoS and TPoD originally, on rereads I found to my surprise I enjoyed them much more than I originally had. Going in with adjusted expectations helped a lot I guess. (LoC was a slight disappointment after TFoH but I always enjoyed that book from my first read of it; in fact I got on the series when Lord of Chaos had just been released; I can remember seeing it splattered in stores all over the local malls, and having no idea what it was and no inclination from the cover to find out. ;) But a friend at work lent me the first book.)

I can't imagine I'll enjoy Winter's Heart, but I couldn't imagine I'd enjoy the prior two either. I never did read Crossroads of Twilight, and again I can't imagine enjoying it, but I've heard from several reliable sources (including one of my best friends, whom I met as fans of the series back in the late 90s) the story picks up dramatically for the final four books, so I may just read Leigh Butler's semi-official WoT notes instead. (http://www.tor.com/features/series/wot-reread) (TOR, who has never been afraid of making money, is actually selling her re-read notes in volumes on Amazon!  ::) Leigh ran the Usenet WOTFAQ for several years, and I enjoy her composition style a lot; I'm following along on her chapter commentaries as I go, though not her summaries since I already read the chapters recently. She's almost finished with Memories of the Light now.)


I sure wouldn't expect anyone who bowed out around or before LoC to try a reread, of course. But I still like and even love more of the books than I don't, so it isn't masochism for me. :) I won't start to feel sloggy at all until somewhere in ACoS.
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 07, 2013, 07:05:17 AM
^  Good man.  Nice to know I'm not the only masochist around here.  :P 


I'm trying very hard to hold off on rereading WoT myself until A Memory of Light is available in paperback.  Gah!

By the time you catch up, some time next year, it'll be out, surely. ;)


Incidentally, I rebought my WOT books on Kindle (and then onward past the books I already had), and I'm looking for a good home for my physical copies. Books 1-5 are in paperback, Books 6-9 are in hardback with the original dustjackets. (All have the generally laughable original Darryl Sweet artwork unfortunately.  :P ) I don't have Book 10, Crossroads of Twilight, as I gave up on the series after Book 9, Winter's Heart, until I saw reliable evidence RJ (or his heir Sanderson as it happened) was finishing out strong.

Since they can be bought for dirt-cheap used, I might as well give them away for free, but I sure wouldn't mind if someone reimbursed me on the shipping. I'd send them by UPS in one box. (Our family company is also the local UPS pick-up station.)

Different people think the slog starts at different places; some people gave up after only Book 3!--but most people started giving up around Book 6 or later. So I can't promise where anyone's tolerance will give up; however, as noted above Leigh Butler's summary commentaries are accurate and detailed and (in the commentaries) humorous and sympathetic to people struggling with the series, so you can always use her as a crutch once the books themselves start giving you fits.


(I've heard that burning the books feels very therapeutic, too.  ;D )

If I have room in the box, I'll throw in an autographed hardback copy of my own fantasy novel Cry of Justice, which I can promise avoids the problems with WOT. I might as well try a bit of promotion while I'm at it.  8)
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Post by: Toonces on May 08, 2013, 09:53:23 PM
I'm interested, Jason, but I'm afraid shipping to Hawaii might be prohibitive!

I'm 3/4 of the way through the Sailing to Sarantium series; Guy Gavriel Kay has not disappointed yet.  What an outstanding author!

And, concurrently I'm reading a physical copy of The Bruce Trilogy by Nigel Trantor about Robert the Bruce's rise to power in Scotland.  It has me pretty fired up to start CK2 back up again!
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 09, 2013, 11:43:22 AM
Indeed; I should have added "continental US only". ;)
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Post by: Toonces on May 09, 2013, 08:00:16 PM
Dude, don't discriminate just because I'm in one of the freak states.  >:(
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Post by: Staggerwing on May 09, 2013, 08:19:19 PM
Dude, don't discriminate just because I'm in one of the freak states.  >:(

With a lower case 's' in 'states' that puts you in some broad company, especially this close to the week end.
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Post by: Gusington on May 10, 2013, 06:32:32 AM
New Jersey comes to mind.
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 10, 2013, 06:32:42 AM
Dude, don't discriminate just because I'm in one of the freak states.  >:(

You can always pay shipping yourself. ;)


Updating, I finished TSR (finally) and have started in on The Fires of Heaven. Lots more minor character politicking out of the gate, although that includes Forsaken Socials where we're seeing them plot in-character instead of standing off to one side. At this point I don't mind minor character politicking so much, and after all these years I still find it a refreshing expansion of the story. Later, not so much.  ::) (This is no doubt the main reason why some people decided to give up with TFoH, though -- the strong increase in secondary and tertiary plotting foreshadows a lot of plot slogging.)

In passing, the (ultimately kind of important) side-plot with forcibly retired ultra-general Gareth Byrne being a kindly minor lord and, in a minor depression over his demotion, deciding to follow three odd poor women he had to stand judge for with his old war cronies who are bored out of their minds being back home again, could have been the start of a whole novel (or series) in itself. I'd actually like to read that story. Too bad there ultimately isn't much of it in WoT.
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Post by: Toonces on May 10, 2013, 11:18:51 PM
LOL.

I meant, the shipping might prohibitive for ME to pay!  I wasn't looking for you to pay for shipping!  Geez, I'll be a box like that would come to a solid $100 or more. 

And I don't want to hear any more smack talk about Jersey you hosers.   >:(
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Post by: bob48 on May 11, 2013, 05:40:16 AM
Oh, Toonces. Thats an absolutely brilliant article on yon front page about flight sims. Very informative stuff. Many thanks for that.
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Post by: Gusington on May 11, 2013, 11:01:22 AM
Jersey smells! You're in Hawaii, you're supposed to be chilled and relaxed.
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Post by: Toonces on May 11, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
Thanks for that, Bob.  I was kind of wondering if anybody read it.

@Gus, you know I'm from South Jersey, right?  Yes, I spent my summers at the Jersey shore.  LOL.
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Post by: Gusington on May 12, 2013, 03:34:47 PM
Of course I do. And I'm from New York. So by now you should be used to a little NY/NJ ribbing. Especially from 12 gazillion miles away in paradise! Oahu aint LBI and you aint Snooki!
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 13, 2013, 07:51:54 AM
Oh, Toonces. Thats an absolutely brilliant article on yon front page about flight sims. Very informative stuff. Many thanks for that.

Meant to add a ditto there previously; saw I forgot to. :) Now rectified.

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Post by: OJsDad on May 13, 2013, 06:14:10 PM
Starting to read Mankind: The Story of all of Us.  I didn't see the History Channel show, so this is all new to me.
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Post by: Toonces on May 13, 2013, 11:45:04 PM
Following on the heels of Sarantium, and in continuing prep for Rome Total War 2, I'm reading Quo Vadis: A Narrative from the Time of Nero by Henryk Sienkiewicz.  You may recall that I read his Fire and Sword trilogy a few months ago.

So far it's ok.  It's not quite as fluffy as the Fire and Sword books were, which were getting downright pillowy towards the end of the final book Pan Michael. 

It's free, so you can't beat the price!

http://www.amazon.com/Quo-Vadis-narrative-time-ebook/dp/B0083ZALTO/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1368510125&sr=1-1&keywords=quo+vadis

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Post by: Airborne Rifles on May 13, 2013, 11:57:03 PM
Following on the heels of Sarantium, and in continuing prep for Rome Total War 2, I'm reading Quo Vadis: A Narrative from the Time of Nero by Henryk Sienkiewicz.  You may recall that I read his Fire and Sword trilogy a few months ago.

So far it's ok.  It's not quite as fluffy as the Fire and Sword books were, which were getting downright pillowy towards the end of the final book Pan Michael. 

It's free, so you can't beat the price!

http://www.amazon.com/Quo-Vadis-narrative-time-ebook/dp/B0083ZALTO/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1368510125&sr=1-1&keywords=quo+vadis

I read this when I was in high school.  Very moving story from what I remember.
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Post by: Gusington on May 14, 2013, 06:09:40 AM
Is the movie based on that book?
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on May 14, 2013, 06:46:29 AM
Can't say I've ever seen the movie.
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 14, 2013, 07:31:14 AM
Is the movie based on that book?

Yep!--Amazon confirms it.

The most helpful review conclusion for anyone worried that the novel is only Christian inspirational literature (it is that, but stylistically it's also what directly inspired the gritty, bloody, sexy cable ancient-era shows currently popular!)

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Sienkiewicz, a fervid Catholic, implanted Quo Vadis with a strong religious message. Devout Christians could certainly read this novel as a work of inspirational literature. Yet Sienkiewicz is not overly preachy or dogmatic. Though Saints Peter and Paul have supporting roles, most of the story is told through the eyes of the Romans. Non-believers can read this story simply as a historical novel about the clash between the Roman Empire and a burgeoning religious movement. It must be admitted that, while the Roman characters run the gamut from honorable to depraved, the Christians are all depicted as perfectly virtuous, without a coward or a Judas among them. On the other hand, perhaps the most sympathetic character in the book is not a Christian at all, but Petronius, an Epicurean. Theist or Atheist alike can enjoy Quo Vadis simply as a masterful work of historical literature. Its only literary fault is that the plotting drags a bit in its final third, a defect that's mostly wiped from memory by the book's monumental and unforgettable closing scenes. Regardless of your religious inclination, if you have any interest in ancient Rome or a taste for historical fiction, Quo Vadis is a must-read.


A different reviewer, though appreciating the book overall, tags the writing style though (the reviewer quoted above kind of does, too, but this is more amusing):

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I could have read it back to front or bottom to top just as easily as reading in the normal way. I don't want to disparage anyone from reading the book, because it is important, but beware of the difficult to read writing style.


Incidentally, while the original version is a free Kindle download, there's a color illustration version (http://www.amazon.com/VADIS-eBook-illustrated-authors-ebook/dp/B0051VDNDE/ref=pd_sim_kstore_3) (presumably incorporating classic artwork) for $1.
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on May 14, 2013, 07:54:16 AM
You've inspired me to download it on my kindle.  I may have to re-read it here soon.
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Post by: Gusington on May 14, 2013, 11:27:23 AM
Sounds like great reading while playing the upcoming Rome 2 TW.
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Post by: Toonces on May 14, 2013, 09:14:24 PM
The book was written in the 1800s, in Polish, and then translated into English so it's rough around the edges.  Once you get used to the style it's not so bad.

It's not easy to read, though.  I'm finding I need to sort of have some quiet, distraction-free space to read it otherwise it's impossible to follow.
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Post by: Gusington on May 15, 2013, 05:37:15 AM
I'm like that with everything I read.
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Post by: Steelgrave on May 15, 2013, 06:41:40 PM
With the movie on the horizon, I just finished Ender's Game. Great novel, definitely a classic Sci-Fi and I'm not sure how I missed reading it before. Good stuff, hope the movie does it justice.
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Post by: MetalDog on May 15, 2013, 06:44:18 PM
Are you going to read the other two, too?
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Post by: Steelgrave on May 15, 2013, 06:47:31 PM
Are you going to read the other two, too?

Yeah, just ordered them from Amazon, although Ender's Game holds up fine by itself. It will be interesting to see where Card takes the series.
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Post by: Staggerwing on May 15, 2013, 06:52:02 PM
Actually, there are more than three books in the series:





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Post by: Steelgrave on May 15, 2013, 07:09:36 PM
Actually, there are more than three books in the series:


  • Ender's Game
  • Speaker for the Dead
  • Xenocide
  • Children of the Mind
  • Ender in Exile
  • A War of Gifts
  • Ender's Shadow

Yeah, I'm gonna read the next two and see where it goes.
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Post by: MetalDog on May 15, 2013, 09:36:46 PM
I hadn't realized he'd gone past Speaker For the Dead and Xenocide.  I liked Speaker, but not Xenocide.
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Post by: Gusington on May 19, 2013, 03:29:35 PM
Reading The Berlin Baghdad Express by Sean McMeekin, about German efforts to get the decrepit pre-WWI Ottoman Empire to join them in an alliance and begin a jihad against the allies. Sort of like Lawrence of Arabia in reverse.
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Post by: Bison on May 19, 2013, 03:34:41 PM
I finished War of the Worlds last night.  The power was knocked out by a massive lightning storm, so I was very happy I chose to invest in the Kindle cover with the book light.

Tonight I start: Arms of Nemesis: A Novel of Ancient Rome http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0046H9UEA/ref=oh_d__o00_details_o00__i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1#_

This is one of my favorite light reading book series.
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Post by: Gusington on May 19, 2013, 03:56:34 PM
War of the Worlds is one of my favorite novels.
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Post by: bob48 on May 19, 2013, 04:03:19 PM
Got 2 books on the go at present; 'Fighter' by Len Deighton, and 'The Black Bull: From Normandy to the Baltic with the 11th Armoured Division' by Patrick Delaforce.
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Post by: Staggerwing on May 19, 2013, 04:09:10 PM
I've read 'Bomber' a long time ago but I have not read 'Fighter'. Let me know if I should put it on my 'to read' list.
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Post by: bob48 on May 19, 2013, 04:12:33 PM
I've read 'Bomber' a long time ago but I have not read 'Fighter'. Let me know if I should put it on my 'to read' list.

I'm about half way through and found it to be extremely interesting so far. Lots of stuff I did not know about, including the 'birth' of the LW and some really good information on the decisions behind aircraft designs and such.

Definitely worth grabbing a copy.
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 20, 2013, 07:20:11 AM
Reading The Berlin Baghdad Express by Sean McMeekin, about German efforts to get the decrepit pre-WWI Ottoman Empire to join them in an alliance and begin a jihad against the allies. Sort of like Lawrence of Arabia in reverse.

This reminds me that I very much wish Rocksteady (or Rockstar or whoever developed Red Dead Redemption) would set up a sequel taking place during World War One (which they've almost set up anyway during the epilogue/aftergame sandbox), focusing on the German plot to agitate Mexico into invading the US across the southern border -- a plot that when we discovered it (or so says The First World War documentary) contributed more than anything else to our decision to finally enter the war.
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Post by: Gusington on May 20, 2013, 11:40:43 AM
I would kill for a game like that!
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Post by: Shelldrake on May 21, 2013, 09:38:13 AM
I am about a third into After America by John Birmingham. So far a pretty good read and IMO better than the first book in the series Without Warning. Geopolitics in a world where most of the US is suddenly gone are very interesting.
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Post by: Staggerwing on May 21, 2013, 08:35:39 PM
Angels of Vengeance is the third in the series and not bad either. It wraps up a lot of the plot threads but leaves an opening for more to come. One character in particular unexpectedly grows very formidable.
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 22, 2013, 01:12:48 PM
I would kill for a game like that!

It doesn't seem like it would be all that hard to do, either: the game already has assets for an early WW1 time period on the frontier; add a few more relevant details here and there, write a story with appropriate missions, design and set up the in-game cutscenes. It might literally take longer to set up and record the voice dialogue.

And then they can release an "Undead Nightmare" sequel, too, based on the same premise. :)
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Post by: Gusington on May 22, 2013, 01:51:06 PM
Sounds like you're ready...I'll wait here for delivery :)
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Post by: Windigo on May 22, 2013, 02:28:08 PM
Sounds like you're ready...I'll wait here for delivery :)

under a different context, this would get you jail time


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Post by: Gusington on May 22, 2013, 05:43:56 PM
^I missed you and your commie hippie green perviness.
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Post by: Windigo on May 24, 2013, 02:51:51 PM
^I missed you and your commie hippie green perviness.

That is truely one of the nicest things ever said to me in this SoM'Bitch Hippie Commune
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Post by: Gusington on May 25, 2013, 03:07:27 PM
^It's from the heart man, from the heart :)
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Post by: Martok on June 04, 2013, 01:17:34 AM
Incidentally, I'm finally reading Watership Down for the first time in my life -- yes really! 


I suspect I'd have liked the book a bit more if I'd read it when I was younger, but I'm still enjoying it.  I'm halfway through so far, and I've found it an easy read. 

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Post by: Steelgrave on June 04, 2013, 01:28:52 AM
^Is that the last book in Patrick O'Brian's Captain Jack Aubrey series? I'm on book 17.


Yeah, yeah, yeah....I'm just kidding. I've never read Watership Down though. Might have to nab it.
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Post by: Martok on June 04, 2013, 01:30:39 AM
If you can stand an epic "low fantasy" tale about rabbits, I recommend it. 

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Post by: undercovergeek on June 04, 2013, 02:36:24 AM
having disappeared into the world of Space Marines with the Ultramarine and Blood Angel omnibuses im after a bit more skullduggery and not quite imperially alligned - is there any good Eldar 40K fiction?
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Post by: Bison on June 04, 2013, 08:00:11 AM
Watership Down is a great book.  They did a cartoon adaptation of it back in the late 70's or early 80's, which is not really intended for young audiences but is a must see. 
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Post by: W8taminute on June 04, 2013, 09:00:31 AM
I just finished reading 'A Thousand Sons: All is Dust' the other day.  I really feel bad at what happened to Magnus the Red.  He misunderstood the Great Ocean and his father maybe misunderstood him and his intentions. 

As a result I really don't like Leman Russ and the Space Wolves.  They're uneducated beasts. 

Next up on my list: Nemesis by James Swallow
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: DEVGRU6 on June 09, 2013, 09:59:50 AM
1.) "The Watchers: A SECRET HISTORY OF THE REIGN OF ELIZABETH I", by Stephen Alford
2.) "Satori", by Don Winslow
3.) "The Liar's Gospel", by Naomi Alderman
4.) "The Unbearable Lightness of Being", by Milan Kundera
5.) "American Sniper", by Chris Pyle (RIP)
6.) "The GODS of GOTHAM", by Lyndsay Faye
7.) "Inside Seal Team 6", by Don Mann
8.) "Napoleon and His Times: Selected Interpretations", editors: Frank A. Kafner, James M. Laux
9.) "The Resolution for Men", by Stephen & Alex Kendrick
10.) "Fearless", by Eric Blehm (RIP)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on June 09, 2013, 01:17:20 PM
I'm still working my way through The Bruce Trilogy.  Not great but not bad.

About 40% through Quo Vadis on my kindle (strictly lunchtime reading).

I have Tigana queued up next.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: DEVGRU6 on June 09, 2013, 01:55:19 PM
I have Tigana queued up next.

Oh, are you in for a solid treat!!!
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Post by: Steelgrave on June 09, 2013, 02:31:35 PM
I go through two books a week, on average. Just finished "Infamous" by Ace Atkins, which was good enough to get me to start another one of his works, (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EROXzV01L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on June 12, 2013, 06:56:18 AM
DEVGRU6 how is The Watchers?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: spelk on June 12, 2013, 07:03:09 AM
Currently on 'Leviathan Wakes (http://www.danielabraham.com/books-2/the-expanse/leviathan-wakes/)' b y J.S.Corey and am loving it!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on June 12, 2013, 08:26:13 AM
I really enjoyed that one Spelk.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: DEVGRU6 on June 12, 2013, 08:32:15 AM
DEVGRU6 how is The Watchers?

Just really cracked it open but very interesting in so much as that I've read. Surprises me somewhat that the topic hasn't been more focused upon in the recent past (oh...say the last 5-10 yrs.) by other Elizabethan scholars. However, considering the amount of negative press Obama and his admin. are receiving of late (especially the NSA), it does seem a very timely book.

In short worth getting, especially so if you are enamored with that period in history as I am!

DEVGRU6

(BTW, you would also love "The Gods of Gotham"...somehow methinks you have a special fondness for this period and locale.)

 http://www.amazon.com/The-Gods-Gotham-Lyndsay-Faye/dp/0425261255
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on June 12, 2013, 09:27:14 AM
That has actually been in my shopping cart for.some time. How did you know that?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on June 12, 2013, 11:08:38 AM
he works for the NSA.  ::)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on June 12, 2013, 11:16:25 AM
I bet.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: DEVGRU6 on June 12, 2013, 11:20:25 AM
That has actually been in my shopping cart for.some time. How did you know that?

"Cart", you say???

Boy howdy, you must be way out deep in da' woods!!!!

You weren't in "The Village", perchance??...(hates me some M. Nighty Nite Shyamalanfubar...:)...he should of called it a career after "The Sixth Sense" (he, obvi possesses less than 5 senses in order to continue, not to mention his bank-rolled backers)...what a hack....sorry, I digress...!

DEVGRU6
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: DEVGRU6 on June 12, 2013, 11:25:50 AM
he works for the NSA.  ::)

I prefer a beard and longer hair-besides, civi suits ain't my thang!!!

DEVGRU6
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: spelk on June 12, 2013, 01:16:01 PM
I really enjoyed that one Spelk.

Yeah I love Space Opera/Military Sci Fi, and this title seems to totally fit that bill. Is a bit more pacier than Jack Campells The Lost Fleet (http://www.johnghemry.com/_series/lost_fleet/lost_fleet_intro.htm) but it's scratching a lot of my similar itches.

I've just grabbed the next two books in the Expanse series, Calibans War and Abbadon's Gate in readiness.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: DEVGRU6 on June 12, 2013, 02:50:19 PM
I really enjoyed that one Spelk.

Yeah I love Space Opera/Military Sci Fi, and this title seems to totally fit that bill. Is a bit more pacier than Jack Campells The Lost Fleet (http://www.johnghemry.com/_series/lost_fleet/lost_fleet_intro.htm) but it's scratching a lot of my similar itches.

I've just grabbed the next two books in the Expanse series, Calibans War and Abbadon's Gate in readiness.

trying to get into this genre...I have The Forever War but never started it...heard of Campbell...maybe you can recommend another, spelk???...thanks...

DEVGRU6
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: spelk on June 13, 2013, 01:39:33 AM
trying to get into this genre...I have The Forever War but never started it...heard of Campbell...maybe you can recommend another, spelk???...thanks...

I'd probably say try Old Man's War by John Scalzi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man's_War).

I can also recommend Marshall S. Thomas's Soldier of the Legion (http://soldierofthelegion.com/) - it's gritty very descriptive futuristic combat. Give the audiobook a sample blast (http://www.audible.co.uk/pd/ref=sr_1_1?asin=B004F3TKEK&qid=1371109301&sr=1-1) to hear some of the book dramatised!


Possibly try John Ringo's Into the Looking Glass (http://www.johnringo.net/TheLibrary/LookingGlass/IntotheLookingGlass.aspx).
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: DEVGRU6 on June 13, 2013, 10:12:48 AM
trying to get into this genre...I have The Forever War but never started it...heard of Campbell...maybe you can recommend another, spelk???...thanks...

I'd probably say try Old Man's War by John Scalzi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man's_War).

I can also recommend Marshall S. Thomas's Soldier of the Legion (http://soldierofthelegion.com/) - it's gritty very descriptive futuristic combat. Give the audiobook a sample blast (http://www.audible.co.uk/pd/ref=sr_1_1?asin=B004F3TKEK&qid=1371109301&sr=1-1) to hear some of the book dramatised!


Possibly try John Ringo's Into the Looking Glass (http://www.johnringo.net/TheLibrary/LookingGlass/IntotheLookingGlass.aspx).

Hey spelk, thanks a bunch!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on June 14, 2013, 01:59:54 AM
Am probably going to start on Callahan's Key by Spider Robinson later today. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on June 15, 2013, 09:20:33 PM
Just started Spring Heeled Jack by Mark Hodder, a steampunk adventure set in London in the 1860s. Excellent so far!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: DEVGRU6 on June 15, 2013, 11:31:08 PM
Just started Spring Heeled Jack by Mark Hodder, a steampunk adventure set in London in the 1860s. Excellent so far!

I have it.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on June 16, 2013, 05:20:06 AM
Just started Spring Heeled Jack by Mark Hodder, a steampunk adventure set in London in the 1860s. Excellent so far!

I need to pick a copy of that up.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on June 16, 2013, 07:22:40 AM
Monsters!!!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on June 16, 2013, 07:42:14 AM
Based on Airborne Rifles' recommendation, recently started - The man who saved the Union : Ulysses Grant in war and peace
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on June 16, 2013, 07:51:04 AM
^^That is a very good read.  People have been unfair to Grant.
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Post by: mirth on June 16, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
^^That is a very good read.  People have been unfair to Grant.

He's finally been getting his due more recently and I'm glad for it. He was an impressive man.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on June 16, 2013, 09:42:56 AM
Based on Airborne Rifles' recommendation, recently started - The man who saved the Union : Ulysses Grant in war and peace

Hope you enjoy it.  If you become as intrigued by Grant as I did Grant by Jean Edward Smith is another biography I read.  It focus on a lot of different aspects and information than the first book and the author is much more of a partisan for Grant.  I really enjoyed both reads and learned a lot.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on June 16, 2013, 11:19:36 AM
Based on Airborne Rifles' recommendation, recently started - The man who saved the Union : Ulysses Grant in war and peace

Hope you enjoy it.  If you become as intrigued by Grant as I did Grant by Jean Edward Smith is another biography I read.  It focus on a lot of different aspects and information than the first book and the author is much more of a partisan for Grant.  I really enjoyed both reads and learned a lot.

I am enjoying it very much so far. I'll keep the other book in mind. I've become very interested in Grant since doing more Civil War gaming and reading ACW history.

Thanks for the recommendations!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on June 16, 2013, 11:45:40 AM
^If you have not already done so, then I recommend getting your hands on the 3 books by Bruce Catton which make up the Grand Army of the Republic trilogy. Brilliant reads.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on June 16, 2013, 12:40:13 PM
I did not know you were allowed to be in here without reading Catton.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on June 16, 2013, 12:42:51 PM
Uh oh. I'm a late comer to the ACW and haven't read Catton. :(
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on June 16, 2013, 01:25:13 PM
Mr Lincoln's Army, Glory Road, A Stillness at Appomattox are the three books in the set, although I think you can also get them now as one complete volume. A must-read for anyone interested in the ACW, as are the 4 books (not by him) that constitute the 'Battles and Leaders of the Civil War' tetrology. ;)
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on June 16, 2013, 01:49:29 PM
Mr Lincoln's Army, Glory Road, A Stillness at Appomattox are the three books in the set, although I think you can also get them now as one complete volume. A must-read for anyone interested in the ACW, as are the 4 books (not by him) that constitute the 'Battles and Leaders of the Civil War' tetrology. ;)

I have not read these either.  Going to have to check them out.  Thank for the help lightening my wallet  ;).
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Post by: Toonces on June 16, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
Agreed on Catton.  I have two of his series and they're very well done.

Interestingly, given the ACW theme floating around, I've restarted reading Gettysburg - Culp's Hill and Cemetery Hill by Pfanz.  Talk about a meaty treatment of Gettysburg!  I got it for about $5 at a used book store a couple of years ago and just picked it up to start reading on a whim the other day.

http://www.amazon.com/Gettysburg--Culps-Hill-Cemetery-Harry-Pfanz/dp/0807849960/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1371412811&sr=8-3&keywords=pfanz
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on June 16, 2013, 02:31:02 PM
Mr Lincoln's Army, Glory Road, A Stillness at Appomattox are the three books in the set, although I think you can also get them now as one complete volume. A must-read for anyone interested in the ACW, as are the 4 books (not by him) that constitute the 'Battles and Leaders of the Civil War' tetrology. ;)

I have not read these either.  Going to have to check them out.  Thank for the help lightening my wallet  ;).

Money well spent, I do assure you.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on June 16, 2013, 03:34:05 PM
Bawb I did not know you were a steampunk fan.
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Post by: bob48 on June 16, 2013, 03:39:06 PM
Bawb I did not know you were a steampunk fan.
Oh hell yes. The best one (for me) is 'A Transatlantic Tunnel - Hoorah!' by Harry Harrison. I just adore the whole Steampunk gendre.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on June 16, 2013, 03:51:23 PM
Just when I think I couldn't love you anymore you do that.

Here's a link for those interested:

http://www.amazon.com/Transatlantic-Tunnel-Hurrah-Harry-Harrison/dp/B007SRY0VI/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371419420&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=A+Transatlantic+Tunnel+-+Hoorah!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on June 16, 2013, 04:05:23 PM
And only $6!

Hug.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on June 16, 2013, 06:28:53 PM
James McPherson's Battle Cry Of Freedom for a great one volume overall treatment.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on June 16, 2013, 06:58:40 PM
Yeah 6.00 Bawb. Even Mrs. Bawb would holster her frying pan there.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on June 16, 2013, 07:52:41 PM
Mrs Bawb holsters her pan for no one.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on June 17, 2013, 09:35:03 AM
Uh oh. I'm a late comer to the ACW and haven't read Catton. :(

Same here. 


Indeed, while I've long had a(n at least) moderate interest in the ACW, I've never truly read up on it much.  Given that, is Catton a good place to start?  Or is there some other work/author I should read first? 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on June 17, 2013, 10:34:54 AM
I really felt that James McPherson's work was the best overall one volume history.  Bruce Catton's trilogy is mostly in Virginia
but is rather iconic americana if you will.  He is a stylist.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: W8taminute on June 17, 2013, 11:27:21 AM
^Are you referring to Catton's Centennial History of the Civil War Series?
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Post by: bob48 on June 17, 2013, 12:27:28 PM
James McPherson's Battle Cry Of Freedom for a great one volume overall treatment.

Agreed. Also a very good read.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Longdan on June 17, 2013, 02:37:47 PM
^Are you referring to Catton's Centennial History of the Civil War Series?

I do not know about the others.  I refer specifically to the Army of the Potomac  trilogy which is my fave of his.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on June 17, 2013, 03:40:41 PM
James McPherson's Battle Cry Of Freedom for a great one volume overall treatment.

Agreed. Also a very good read.

+1 I have read Battle Cry Freedom
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on June 17, 2013, 06:10:33 PM
Walter McDougal's Throes of Democracy provides a lot of helpful socio-political context for the Civil War, before during and after. (Much like his previous work Freedom Just Around The Corner for the American Revolution. Neither work spends much time on the actual wars, but the Sitz Und Leben so to speak is excessively good.)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on June 17, 2013, 07:26:01 PM
^Are you referring to Catton's Centennial History of the Civil War Series?

This is what I was referring to.  I've only read book 1 of the Army of the Potomac trilogy.

The Centennial trilogy is easier to read than Foote's in my opinion.  It's shorter and while usually I like longer books the Catton trilogy moves just fast enough to be satisfying without being overwhelming.

I read McPherson twice and it's very good as well.  I felt McPherson focused a lot on the political stuff at the expense of the military side (which is more interesting to me) but I could be wrong.  I read McPherson quite a while ago.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on June 23, 2013, 09:43:23 AM
Well I did go ahead and pick up McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom from the library a couple days ago.  Have gone through the preface & intro, and will start reading it in earnest this evening. 


I looked for Catton's stuff too, but to my disgust, the entire library system had only volumes 2 & 3 of the Centennial History of the Civil War (and nothing at all from his Army of the Potomac trilogy).  >:( 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on June 23, 2013, 11:06:15 AM
Just keep looking every now and again as they get reprinted quite frequently it seems, but certainly, 'Battle Cry' is a good read and covers more of the war. Obviously, the Catton books deal mainly with the Army of the Potomac.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on June 26, 2013, 08:29:46 PM
I started Tigana last night.

About 1/3 of the way through The Day of Battle.

And I just placed an Amazon order for First Man in Rome, Legions of Rome: The History of Every Imperial Roman Legion, and The Guns at Last Light.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on June 26, 2013, 08:54:15 PM
I just finished Get Laid or Die Trying: The Field Reports by Jeff Allen.  I started Enter Night: A Biography of Metallica by Mick Wall.  When I'm done with that, it'll be The Third Reich At War by Richard J. Evans.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 02, 2013, 11:10:24 PM
I feel like I'm teetering very close to Gus level OCD madness.  I've always liked anything to do with the strategic bombing operations of WWII, particularly those involving Bomber Command.

I've been on a bit of a tear lately and I'm currently reading Bomber Boys: The RAF Offensive of 1943.   I also just finished watching The Dam Busters for about the 5th time.  I'm also about 2/3rds of the way through the 2nd DVD of a 3 DVD set I ordered from Amazon entitled The Ultimate Dam Busters Collection narrated by Stephen Fry.  It's a little simplistic and too concerned with personalities and not enough on the technical aspects for my tastes but it's not bad.

I think I'll re-read Brickhill's excellent book The Dam Busters again once I'm through with Bomber Boys.

Damn, I'd kill for a flight sim similar to Battle of Britain II but focused on Bomber Command.  That'd be pretty much the best sim ever!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on July 02, 2013, 11:28:51 PM
Welcome. There is no cure.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on July 03, 2013, 08:32:12 AM
Damn, I'd kill for a flight sim similar to Battle of Britain II but focused on Bomber Command.  That'd be pretty much the best sim ever!

Microprose's Mighty 8th made a noble attempt. A rather buggy and borderline unplayable attempt, but a noble attempt.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 03, 2013, 09:52:41 AM
I'd prefer something that doesn't look like it's from the VGA era.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on July 04, 2013, 08:18:22 PM
Spring-Heeled Jack was a great read...awesome steampunk tech and a great sense of humor throughout...will definitely be buying the rest of the series.

Now I am about to start Three Empires on the Nile: The Victorian Jihad 1869-1899 by Dominic Green.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 04, 2013, 09:39:03 PM
I'm close to finishing the follow-up to The Doomsday Vault (http://grogheads.com/?p=957), but I gotta admit that The Impossible Cube has, so far, been a little flat.  The best comparison I can think of is that I feel about this follow-up the same way I felt about The Mummy II - same characters, same setting, same general theme, but lacking in spark and rushes around the map more than it seems like it needs to.

I did pick up a steampunk anthology at B&N on Wednesday, and I'm looking forward to poking around that one for a bit.
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Post by: Gusington on July 04, 2013, 09:52:14 PM
^Which one? I just got 'Queen Victoria's Book of Spells.'
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 04, 2013, 09:59:05 PM
this one:  http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/steampunk-ann-vandermeer/1101962917?ean=9781892391759


There's a collected "Bookman" series that I might get, too. 

The next big book purchase I'm probably making is to load up on the Hammer's Slammers collection.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on July 05, 2013, 12:06:55 PM
^I've almost bought that collection a few times but reviews are always mixed. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: republic on July 11, 2013, 05:10:17 PM
Currently reading The Tank Killers by Harry Yeide. 

Just read a great quote Capt Frank Redding 705th Tank Destroyer Battalion on using 75mm equipped M3 Halftrack's as indirect fire artillery "Although little good was accomplished because of unsuitable sighting equipment, we added in a highly satisfactory fashion to the general din of battle."
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on July 11, 2013, 06:31:27 PM
Halftracks make everything more gooder.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on July 11, 2013, 06:43:49 PM
I want Peapod.com to start delivering groceries in a half-track. That would be cool...
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Post by: Staggerwing on July 11, 2013, 06:45:19 PM
Also, having another Grog as your avatar is almost Escher-like in it's surrealism.
 
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Post by: Martok on July 11, 2013, 10:37:48 PM
I'm now about halfway through MacPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom.  Bearing in mind that I tend to have a tough time with non-fiction, this has been a pretty easy read. 

And an engrossing one:  It's fascinating to learn more about some of the war's important aspects that don't usually get much coverage (such as economics and internal politics) in addition to some of the smaller details (such as President Zachary Taylor being Jefferson Davis' former father-in-law). 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on July 12, 2013, 11:13:09 PM
I finally finished reading The Prince of Nothing trilogy by R. Scott Bakker. I don't believe I've read anything quite like it and although it wasn't exactly my cup of tea, I don't regret reading it.

For a change of pace, I am now reading The Heartbreak of Aaron Burr by H. W. Brands.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on July 13, 2013, 06:11:06 AM
I finally finished reading The Prince of Nothing trilogy by R. Scott Bakker. I don't believe I've read anything quite like it and although it wasn't exactly my cup of tea, I don't regret reading it.

For a change of pace, I am now reading The Heartbreak of Aaron Burr by H. W. Brands.

The Bakker books are pretty epic. I've not long ago finished reading 'White Luck Warrior', the latest in the series.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on July 26, 2013, 07:07:07 AM
I finally finished MacPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom last night.  Mange takk ("many thanks") to everyone who recommended it!  It's not often I find a work of non-fiction to be both informative/educational yet still enjoyable, but MacPherson pulls it off well. 


Next up is The Princes of Ireland by John Rutherfurd.  If it clicks with me, I have the follow-up The Rebels of Ireland on hand as well. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on July 28, 2013, 09:17:45 AM
Just finished Three Empires on the Nile: The Victorian Jihad 1869-1899 by Dominic Green, very good book. Just started Road to Manzikert: Byzantine and Islamic Warfare 527-1071 by Brian Todd Carey.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on July 28, 2013, 09:31:46 AM
I finally finished MacPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom last night.  Mange takk ("many thanks") to everyone who recommended it!  It's not often I find a work of non-fiction to be both informative/educational yet still enjoyable, but MacPherson pulls it off well. 


Next up is The Princes of Ireland by John Rutherfurd.  If it clicks with me, I have the follow-up The Rebels of Ireland on hand as well.

i think it was everyone here, but when they were 'over there' that pointed me at said book - awesome read and opened my eyes very much to the ACW
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on July 28, 2013, 11:48:39 AM
I agree.  It's definitely one to recommend for anyone who has even a modest interest in the ACW. 





Just started Road to Manzikert: Byzantine and Islamic Warfare 527-1071 by Brian Todd Carey.

I'll be eager to get your feedback on that one, Gus.  Manzikert is one of the medieval period's major events that I know little about (but wish to rectify). 

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Post by: Gusington on July 28, 2013, 01:12:13 PM
^It's Pen and Sword book so it's put together very well, with lots of historical detail. There are some editing errors in the first few pages I have read so far so Brant would lose his mind. Carey is an expert in Muslim history though and the team he put together to produce the maps and illustrations is well respected.
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Post by: Hiimori on July 28, 2013, 03:47:32 PM
Just returned from a battlefield tour to Bastogne and the Ardennes (La Roche, Houffalize, Easy Company foxholes in Jack's Wood...). To prolong this impressive experience (already back at work  :-\), I've started reading "Bastogne" by Michael Tolhurst, a book from the Battleground Europe series. Good read so far, very detailed with some useful travel tips about visiting the area today, lots of photos, cards, and background information. The book also suggests some tours, but for planning a full-fledged Ardennes-Battle of the Bulge tour, I would highly recommend "A tour of the Bulge Battlefields" by William C. C. Cavanagh.
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Post by: JasonPratt on July 28, 2013, 06:59:06 PM
Updating my Wheel of Time read-thru: I've switched to a 10%/day plan, partly in anticipation of the coming slog, and partly because I have other things I want to freaking read this year (including new entries in the ongoing brilliant Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality fanfic); so I've burned through three books this month, Lord of Chaos, A Crown of Swords, and just now finishing up The Path of Daggers.

Can't say I'm much looking forward to the next two books, since between them they killed my interest in the series (until I confirmably heard it really did end respectfully well). But blowing through them this quickly should, by tautology, get me through them quickly at least. ;)

Books 6, 7, and 8, disappointed me when I originally read them, yet on previous catchup rereads I found I liked them more than I was expecting based on my memories of them. That odd experience repeated itself this time, too.

I can see clearly enough why they disappointed me after (what I regard as) the high-water mark of Book 5: up until then, plenty of things happen in each book, and there's an impressive and important climactic action sequence with multiple levels of engagement and things going on at the end, with major clear accomplishments.

That changed with Book 6. Several important things do happen -- the Black Tower is formed from scratch and its soldiers get to have an initial mission (during the climactic action sequence); a lost artifact is learned about which will help solve a major problem; Rand sets up a plan to deal with the Forsaken general Sammael and rescue the nation of Illian with as little damage as possible; one of the last "Forses" (as we liked to call the Forsaken back on the Compuserve WOT forum) shows up to start causing trouble; two of the previously slain Forsaken get rebooted into new bodies so they can cause trouble, too; the Superfade Shadar Haran makes his first appearance; and the White Tower puts a very clever plan into action which results in Rand being put in the worst danger of the series so far (and for the next several books as well) leading to a bloody climactic action sequence. Did Min's side of the romantic plot advance, or was that in the next book...? (She does not much of anything in these three books.)

And yet the slog also begins (or shifts into a lower gear to the point that I begin to resent it): an inordinate amount of time is spent with the Supergirls and the rebel White Tower camp DOING PRACTICALLY NOTHING, partly because no one in charge has an idea what to do (which is reasonably believable but not fun to read about) and partly because RJ's solution (having the third Supergirl, Egwene, summoned to lead them as an ostensible puppet) is something that would move their side of the plot along too quickly compared to other parts. Demandred does nothing obvious, although he seems linked to the Black Tower somehow. (And then disappears from the plot so completely over the next two books that fans thought one or two new characters might be him in disguise.) The newly rebooted Forses proceed to go do nothing for a while. Shadar Haran does nothing but loom and act unusual for a Myrdraaal. Sammael gets another Forsaken, Graendal, on his side, but meanders around waiting for Rand to invade Illian. Rand cannot invade Illian because the White Tower interrupts him with their own plan; and while that plan is admirably clever and a great threat to Rand, the resulting action sequence lacks the fully epic layers of the previous five books. Worst of all, Matrim Cauthon (the fan-favorite male character of the series) gets shuffled around accomplishing nothing, partly because his purpose during one half of the book is to only be a strategic decoy, and partly because his purpose in the second half of the book is to go do something the plot won't allow and so he starts a whole other thread of plot late in the book which cannot possibly have time to go anywhere.


Similarly, several important things happen in Book 7 -- Sammael is decisively and permanently defeated; the Supergirls find their artifact (and a group of hidden women who are a treasure all to themselves); Rand takes important initial steps in reconciling with some rebels to his rule and gets involved in an action scene which inadvertently gives him the hint on how to clean the taint from the male side of the One Power; the Seanchan Forerunners invade much more successfully than the first time, quickly snapping up about half of "Randland" before anyone knows what's going on; and the Forse leader returns to start catching up on the plot since he's been gone. If Min's romantic plot didn't advance in Book 6, it does now (I think it was now), and the Lan/Nynaeve romantic plot finally comes together with their marriage.

And yet the slog also continues. Much of the first part of the book deals with the same action scene that finished out book 6, told from other perspectives, and that does help flesh out that scene better but it's also necessarily redundant. The dicey political situation set up by Rand's capture takes some time, and it's nicely tense, but the only real question is how Rand will navigate it without just snapping and killing people off left and right (which would be disastrous). The hunt for the artifact in Ebou Dar BORES THE LIVING HELL OUT OF EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE STORY, and so doesn't do anything for the reader, either, despite Robert Jordan strumming the combined comic tensions of the various characters to the absolute limit while the plot cannot move forward. The artifact is found (and a nice little action sequence commences), but there's no time left in the book to do anything with it. The Seanchan invasion is supposed to be happening off away from where the characters know what's happening, so for the most part it happens off-screen until the very end, and then rocks fall on the best character in the series (Mat) while everyone else is running away. The climactic action sequence, to rescue Illian and destroy Sammael, becomes a tamer repeat of the previous Forsaken fights (with more long-distance counter-punching by Sam), and ends with a death so ambiguous that readers were sure for years that Sammael wasn't supposed to be dead after all (if I recall correctly RJ had to confirm it by Word Of God during a convention Q&A session eventually). Also Rand launches it at the last minute, literally on the spur of the moment. Why not earlier in the book? Because... then the book would be over. Or shorter. The return of the Forsaken leader is shrouded in mystery because he isn't operating openly yet and doesn't look (or much act) the way he used to, and so he doesn't really do much either yet. Egwene has gotten the Salidar White Tower moving toward a confrontation with the 'official' WT, but that's a plot for a later book so nothing gets accomplished there (yet several chapters are spent making sure nothing is happening there). Oh and Shadar Haran skulks around threatening other villains on occasion but not doing much for a supposed avatar of Satan. The rebooted Forsaken twins are inserted into their various groups to spy what's going on, but by the nature of their mission they don't really do anything (and it isn't overly clear yet who one of them even is for sure).


Do things happen in Book 8? Sure: the artifact is finally used, and fixes a major problem (and introduces a different major problem); the Seanchan more-or-less conquer the Whitecloaks (and free an important minor character whose plot hasn't been going anywhere for a while, and whom I cannot imagine contributing anything to the plot later); Moridin, the new Forsaken leader, takes more active steps to rein in his remaining minions and get them working together instead of competing with one another; and Rand counter-invades one of the Seanchan arms of expansion to keep them from threatening Illian later. Oh, and he survives an assassination attempt at the end of the book. Meanwhile Eg finds a clever way to politically maneuver herself into better power.

BUT IT TAKES FOREVER TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE! Except when the time comes to actually do them, then it only takes a few chapters. Rand's counter-invasion is a muddled fog-of-war mess over two chapters toward the end of the book; until then he doesn't do much; after then he has a fight with someone whom he doesn't even realize is a Forsaken (who isn't very competent) and then decides to go into hiding next book. (Whee.) The first 25% of the book (maybe 30%) is spent with a very large group of bickering women, adding to the numbers of bickering women, and finally using the artifact before running away again (although at least there's an impressive explosion to round things off). Eg is stuck literally slogging along in the snow after the weather changes, inching toward her political victory, and setting up a rest for the next book (if I recall correctly her side of the plot won't move forward until somewhere in Book freaking 11!) Moridin's actions are entirely behind the scenes again, the Forsaken fight at the end is an even tamer and quicker version of previous Forse fights (because the guy doing it isn't a fighter unlike previous Forses and doesn't have any other serious advantages either, so he sucks at his job and mainly just confuses things). RJ spits on reader expectations, not only by making the long-anticipated rematch between Rand and the Seanchan a confusing mess, but by (apparently) fulfilling a long-expected prophecy as unimportantly and boringly as possible! I continue to hope this is only misdirection on his part, and that the prophecy will be more importantly fulfilled later, although I've yet to hear that happens -- but even if it's misdirection it can only build bad will with faithful readers who have waited over ten years, maybe closer to fifteen, for that story element to happen, and then to have it (apparently) happen as a preliminary side-effect to another part of the plot that underperformed to long anticipations. (The fandom was positively LIVID back in the day. With many more years of perspective I'm only mildly annoyed. Then again, I did spend about an hour writing up all this. ;) Holy bleep, I'd better save my text...!)

Oh and the most interesting and beloved character in the series is out of action the whole book, never appearing once.

And one of the other most interesting characters, stuck in a terrible romantic storyline liked by no fan anywhere (that I can recall ever hearing), gets sent off (along with his terrible romantic storyline) on the beginning of a diplomatic mission-in-force (with his own small army) to do nothing in this book but arrive in the area and meet with a powerless queen in secret. I am reliably informed by people who continued reading after Book 9 that the terrible romantic storyline utterly handicaps this side of the plot, keeping it from moving forward with any accomplishment (and leading the character, Perrin, to do things which earn him hate from long-term fans) at least as far as Book 13.  :-\


So, yeah. The slog has begun, and will only get worse next month. Still, I'm past the halfway point (bookwise anyway, not sure about wordcount or pagecount) as of the end of Book 7, and by the 20th of August I should be past the slog altogether, with four books of climactic plot tie-ups to go. :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on July 28, 2013, 08:46:17 PM
The Mongoliad is turning out to be a formidable read.

Lots of hard-core fighting with secret societies, thrilling chases, courtly intrigues, and a few suspiciously familiar characters (or their analogs, anyway). There are also a bunch of related shorts and novellas written by many authors and spanning perhaps a thousand years.... This is turning into quite the literary franchise!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on July 28, 2013, 10:09:34 PM
I am currently reading The Man Who Saved the Union: Ulysses Grant in War and Peace by H.W. Brands.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Grimnirsson on July 29, 2013, 02:39:23 AM
Starting with the first book of the Liberation Trilogy by Rick Atkinson, An Army At Dawn. So far I like the style and it's the perfect fit for the game on our table right now Axis Empires: Totaler Krieg
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on July 29, 2013, 07:21:53 AM
And so, having griped about the WoT slogfest (with no doubt another gripe coming next month as I finally once and for all finish the slog), allow me to bring you the amazing anti-slog and completely free Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality fanfic.

The Mobi version is attached below, works just fine on Kindles. Other formats can be found at http://hpmor.com/ (although the very nice PDF version with the official Potter font has not been updated for many chapters. Makes a good and very extensive introduction to the series, though.)

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on July 29, 2013, 07:43:50 AM
(I tested the upload first to make sure the file would arrive as a zip. Now for more information.)

Why should a Groghead read HPMOR? Aside from the clever humor and the author's love for the franchise in all its crazy details? (Not me, I only know the series from the movies. ;) )


Because Professor Quirrell, the new Defense Against the Dark Arts professor (and so much more ;) ), decides the best way to train the students is by breaking up each year into teams and having them fight one another in dangerous mock battles with plenty of strategic and tactical brilliance by the various generals. With Harry being a clear fan of Warhammer 40K.

It. Is. Awesome.

Quote
Omake Files #1: 72 Hours to Victory -- aka “what happens if you change Harry but leave all other characters
constant”

Dumbledore peered over his desk at young Harry, twinkling in a
kindly sort of way. The boy had come to him with a terribly
intense look on his childish face—Dumbledore hoped that whatever this
matter was, it wasn’t too serious. Harry was far too young for his life
trials to be starting already. “What was it you wished to speak to me
about, Harry?”

Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres leaned forward in his chair, smiling
grimly. “Headmaster, I got a sharp pain in my scar during the Sorting
Feast. Considering how and where I got this scar, it didn’t seem like
the sort of thing I should just ignore. I thought at first it was because
of Professor Snape, but I followed the Baconian experimental method
which is to find the conditions for both the presence and the absence of
the phenomenon, and I’ve determined that my scar hurts if and only if
I’m facing the back of Professor Quirrell’s head, whatever’s under his
turban. While it could be something more innocuous, I think we should
provisionally assume the worst, that it’s You-Know-Who—wait, don’t
look so horrified, this is actually a priceless opportunity—”

That was only an Omake (the author knows his anime, too), a brief humorous sidestory chapter showing how quickly the story would be over if Harry was competent but Voldy wasn't. HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED IS VERY VERRRRY COMPETENT NOW!! The story might still be finished in Harry's first year at school, but the first 83 chapters (in the PDF) run 1391 pages. 1400 pages of fast-moving plot.

A short description of the fanfic would in fact be, "What if most of the characters were far more competent than they were in the books/movies?" In Harry's case, that's because his aunt convinced his mother to give her a potion to permanently turn her thin so she could court and marry a scientist rather than the real story's Dudley. So Harry was raised in a loving, nurturing single-child home, where his talent was fostered long before he ever discovered magic is real.

It isn't entirely a Marty Stu story: Harry makes mistakes (sometimes drastic ones) and doesn't always follow the author's beliefs or philosophies (although he does come close). He earns his victories through hard work and preparation, properly applying Canon!Harry's natural talents and advantages. And as noted, the other characters typically turn out to be far more competent than Harry himself is expecting, earning his respect along the way despite not being "scientists".


For a much more spoilerish (though alphabetically sorted) overview of the plot, to help readers decide if they want to invest their time, I recommend the TVTropes page at http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanFic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality  .
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on July 29, 2013, 12:45:17 PM
Oh and the most interesting and beloved character in the series is out of action the whole book, never appearing once.

Would that be Thom or Loyale, perhaps? 

I don't keep up with the WoT community, so I have no idea which characters might be the crowd favorites (although I do know Faile is almost certainly at the bottom of that list!). 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on July 30, 2013, 06:16:39 PM
Oh and the most interesting and beloved character in the series is out of action the whole book, never appearing once.

Would that be Thom or Loyale, perhaps? 

I don't keep up with the WoT community, so I have no idea which characters might be the crowd favorites (although I do know Faile is almost certainly at the bottom of that list!).

Mat, although Loial does have a strong following. And briefly shows up in TPoD with a cameo; unfortunately in the later books he's often connected with the wretched Faile plotline, something neither he nor his fans are at all happy about.  :P

Thom is barely in the book either, if at all; I think I recall him being stuck back with Mat, just not under rocks.

I'll recall correctly soon; Mat certainly returns for WH, and while I don't recall him doing all that much (aside from finally meeting the Daughter of the Nine Moons) I do recall his part of the plot being the best in that book.


Meanwhile, I quickly caught up on the massive update to HPMOR yesterday: that's how to pull a clear-in-hindsight gut wrenching disaster in the plot! Nicely done. The author also throws out several good hints that he's on the final downhill slope and will be finishing soon. (Well relatively soon, next spring maybe.) Still nothing but love for that book.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: republic on August 02, 2013, 05:53:10 PM
I'm reading a great book about the TU-22 Blinder.  One of the most detailed single aicraft book I've read.  I had no idea the TU-22 was regularly used at low level, which lead me to this video: 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: airboy on August 04, 2013, 10:45:15 AM
Grey Tide in the East was an excellent WW1 Alt-history.  Grogheads has a book review of this.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on August 04, 2013, 11:56:14 AM
I'm reading a great book about the TU-22 Blinder.  One of the most detailed single aicraft book I've read.  I had no idea the TU-22 was regularly used at low level, which lead me to this video: 


Damn, those are some crazy passes!

What's the book you're reading?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on August 04, 2013, 02:25:05 PM
Starting with the first book of the Liberation Trilogy by Rick Atkinson, An Army At Dawn. So far I like the style and it's the perfect fit for the game on our table right now Axis Empires: Totaler Krieg

I couldn't get into An Army at Dawn, but I'm just finishing up the second one, The Day of Battle.  I have the third one covering Normandy through the end of the war queued up, Guns at Last Light.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on August 04, 2013, 02:52:44 PM
Starting with the first book of the Liberation Trilogy by Rick Atkinson, An Army At Dawn. So far I like the style and it's the perfect fit for the game on our table right now Axis Empires: Totaler Krieg

I couldn't get into An Army at Dawn, but I'm just finishing up the second one, The Day of Battle.  I have the third one covering Normandy through the end of the war queued up, Guns at Last Light.

You couldn't get into An Army at Dawn?  May I ask why? I thought it was better than The Day of Battle, though both were superb. Haven't read the last one yet.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on August 04, 2013, 03:00:21 PM
I really don't know anything about the North Africa campaign...which is actually a good reason to read the book, but I don't know.  Everytime I start I just get bored and put it back down.  It took me 3 tries to finish The Day of Battle.  In fact, I only bought the third book to be completist.  I'm not a fan of his writing style to be honest.

It might have more to do with the subject matter than anything else.  I dunno.  I'm not really familiar with the ETO, certainly prior to D-Day.  I enjoyed his book Crusade much more (about Desert Storm).
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on August 04, 2013, 03:02:09 PM
I just started a book called The Red Knight last night.  Sounds like a poor-man's Game of Thrones.

Too early to tell how it is yet.

And I'm about 1/3 through a book called Phase Line Green, about the Marines in the battle for Hue in Vietnam.  Pretty quick, easy, first person account read.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: republic on August 04, 2013, 03:10:59 PM
Damn, those are some crazy passes!

What's the book you're reading?

http://www.amazon.com/Tupolev-TU-22-Russias-Pioneering-Supersonic/dp/1844152413/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375650447&sr=8-1&keywords=TU-22+Blinder

It is very detailed and has some great anecdotes in it.  The more I read about Soviet era technology the more I wonder how we would have fared if the cold war went hot...  While we had the technological upper hand, I wonder how much we could offset their sheer numbers.  Especially when we beat the Germans using the 'more quantity less quality' method...  Of course...maybe if the Germans hadn't been preoccupied in the east their technological advancements would have beaten us...hmmm.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on August 05, 2013, 10:13:47 AM
Thanks for the link. Looks like an excellent book. I'll add it to my list.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on August 05, 2013, 03:13:37 PM
just received the first Space Wolves omnibus - i couldnt see anything but 5 stars in the amazon reviews and ive enjoyed the Blood Angels and Ultramarines
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: republic on August 05, 2013, 04:37:25 PM
Thanks for the link. Looks like an excellent book. I'll add it to my list.

It is fantastic the more I read...  If you have a Half Price Books near you go check for it there.  I picked it up for $20 I think.

I'm thinking of clearing out some of my collection, I think I'll post them here first before I sell on Amazon.  There are some things if I just got shipping + $1 I'd be happy lol
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Bison on August 05, 2013, 04:48:34 PM
Undaunted Courage

http://www.amazon.com/Undaunted-Courage-Meriwether-Jefferson-American/dp/0684826976/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375742883&sr=8-1&keywords=undaunted+courage
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: BanzaiCat on August 05, 2013, 06:20:48 PM
Undaunted Courage

http://www.amazon.com/Undaunted-Courage-Meriwether-Jefferson-American/dp/0684826976/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375742883&sr=8-1&keywords=undaunted+courage

Good deal - I saw that last night for 1.99 and bought it myself. Soon as I'm done with Life in the French Foreign Legion, I'm going to get into that one.

Although this one has my attention for the next purchase - Stalin's Hammer
http://www.amazon.com/Stalins-Hammer-Rome-Novella-ebook/dp/B00AP2VRNW/ref=pd_sim_kstore_22

Haven't bought it yet. I like the Axis of Time Trilogy to an extent, and this one has me curious.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: W8taminute on August 06, 2013, 07:14:05 AM
Speaking of good reads I have a question.

Does anyone know what the exact quote was when Robert E. Lee was being questioned about some general?  It's the one where his answer was something like "You asked me what I thought of his skills, not what I thought of him personally."  Or something like that.

My google fu is weak for some reason on this topic.  Any help appreciated.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on August 08, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
Just finished Inquis Exterminatus - Images from the Dark Millenium, a WH40K art book. Took one night to peruse. Next is Baneblade by Guy Haley and after that perhaps Priests of Mars by Graham McNeil. Prepping for the release of the new Space Hulk :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on August 08, 2013, 05:58:17 PM
Speaking of good reads I have a question.

Does anyone know what the exact quote was when Robert E. Lee was being questioned about some general?  It's the one where his answer was something like "You asked me what I thought of his skills, not what I thought of him personally."  Or something like that.

My google fu is weak for some reason on this topic.  Any help appreciated.

I found this quote:

A visitor once asked Robert E. Lee what he thought of a certain individual.  "He's a very fine gentleman," Lee replied.

"He says some very uncomplimentary things about you.  What do you think about that?"

"You didn't ask me what he thought of me.  You asked me what I thought of him."


It is contained in Faith Prints: Youth Devotions for Every Day of the Year (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Faith+Prints+Steve+Swanson&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AFaith+Prints+Steve+Swanson) by Steve Swanson.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on August 08, 2013, 11:31:17 PM
I just started a book called The Red Knight last night.  Sounds like a poor-man's Game of Thrones.

Too early to tell how it is yet.

I'm very much enjoying The Red Knight.  http://www.amazon.com/Red-Knight-Traitor-Cycle-ebook/dp/B007ZFPUL2/ref=sr_1_1_title_1_kin?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376025607&sr=1-1&keywords=the+red+knight+by+miles+cameron

It is sort of like a light Game of Thrones (very light), but with way more monsters.  The writing is pretty tight and the pace is solid.  I'm about 35% through and I foresee me finishing this book and going right for book 2 if it's in the library.  Two thumbs up (so far) and solidly recommended for fantasy fans.

I just put in a BFAO* today that frustrates me because I already have about 2 months worth of backlog of reading to get through.  I picked up:

The Stewart Trilogy by Nigel Tranter:  http://www.amazon.com/Stewart-Trilogy-Misrule-Princes-Captive/dp/0340391154/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376025759&sr=1-3&keywords=the+stewart+trilogy
But I actually bought it as 3 very good condition hardcovers rather than the exceptionally high priced softback 3-novels-in-1 version.  I totally enjoyed The Bruce Trilogy and Stewart picks up where Bruce leaves off.  Another very highly recommended book (The Bruce Trilogy that is).

I also ordered The History of the Art of War, Volume II and Volume III by Hans Delbruck.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0803265859/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I skipped Volume I for some reason.  These look like good books on the periods of conflict in which I'm most interested, and at 600 pages each there appears to be a lot of meat.  I went bargain hunting in the used section so I think I got them for about $3 each. 

Man alive, when am I ever going to get around to finishing these books?

*Big Freaking Amazon Order
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: W8taminute on August 09, 2013, 07:40:32 AM
Speaking of good reads I have a question.

Does anyone know what the exact quote was when Robert E. Lee was being questioned about some general?  It's the one where his answer was something like "You asked me what I thought of his skills, not what I thought of him personally."  Or something like that.

My google fu is weak for some reason on this topic.  Any help appreciated.

I found this quote:

A visitor once asked Robert E. Lee what he thought of a certain individual.  "He's a very fine gentleman," Lee replied.

"He says some very uncomplimentary things about you.  What do you think about that?"

"You didn't ask me what he thought of me.  You asked me what I thought of him."


It is contained in Faith Prints: Youth Devotions for Every Day of the Year (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Faith+Prints+Steve+Swanson&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AFaith+Prints+Steve+Swanson) by Steve Swanson.

Perfect!  Thanks Greybriar.  That is the quote I was thinking of and that book you provided the link to is a bonus. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on August 09, 2013, 09:00:00 AM
You're welcome, W8taminute.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on August 10, 2013, 08:40:56 PM
Well, right on schedule I finished Winter's Heart (Book 9 of The Wheel of Time), halfway through the worst of the slog by all accounts. Or more than halfway. 2/3 of the way. Feels like only halfway though I guess. ;)

But oddly, the same thing has happened this time that happened with me from Books 6 up until now: varying levels of disappointment, increasing from 6 on, after finishing them on my first reads, and yet during rereads for the new releases I wasn't nearly as disappointed with the books. Probably that's due to going in with low expectations, but I can think of another couple of reasons, too: I'm not repeatedly waiting for years between books for only one new entry; and I know for sure now where the end is, and I can be reasonably sure a significant portion of the end (four whole books worth) will be worth my time and effort.

So yeah, WH this time, not so bad. Not great, but not bad. Middling but bearable. The big three problems of the book still hurt, sure: the wretched Faile subplot spends a boring amount of time going precisely nowhere and accomplishing nothing; a lot of time is spent on what is literally a useless Rand subplot (as Rand himself eventually comes to acknowledge toward the end of it); and the final battle is constituted by random little snippets of nothing much spread out over most of a day booktime with occasional special effects flashiness substituting for actual story design, with the end result being that the villains are routed offscreen aside from one minor Forse being killed (again) toward the end of it without anyone even realizing what was really accomplished by doing so.

Also, while I get the basic idea of pitting one kind of evil against another kind of evil and letting them destroy each other, how the good guys go about actually doing it seems very vague and even counter-intuitive in several way with what Jordan seemed to have spent a lot of effort establishing over the past nine books (including this one). Maybe RJ had this generally in mind from the beginning and thought by the time he got here he would have invented something suitable for how to represent it properly -- and then when the time came to write it he, well, had a deadline crashing in on him and was feeling sicker than usual from the ailment that eventually killed him (God rest his soul). I don't know, I just know that it's a lot of puffery (even somewhat literally).

Also-also, I swear RJ's habit of having to describe EVERY SINGLE MINOR AND TERTIARY AND QUATERNARY CHARACTER IN EVERY SCENE IS GOING TO DRIVE ME ABSOLUTELY CRAZY BEFORE THE END OF THE SERIES IF HE (or Sanderson) KEEPS AT IT!! Crystal Dragon Jesus Christ. It's like having to suck the taint to get to what good stuff is there, and sometimes nothing is there but a mouthful of taint. (...that sounds... look it's in the books, okay? It doesn't mean what it sounds like it means...)

Also-also-also, I had forgotten RJ's bizarre habit of making his first chapter in each book a "prologue" when there's nothing specially prologuish to distinguish them from the official "first" chapters, enters a level of near self-parody in this book. I seriously thought someone had messed up the Kindle formatting when I saw this huge block on the progress bar without chapter jumps. But nope, the so-called prologue really was 10% of the book's total length. Total length, mind you, including the long glossaries and other non-narrative pages. Counting only the narrative pages, the percentage was higher.

And then, prepping Book 10, I saw the same ridiculous block again. Now at 13%. That's insane. But then while thinking "What the hell RJ, really, this isn't a novella, you know", I suddenly put some pieces together and the reasoning became clear. Back around Book 7 (at least, maybe earlier) TOR had started to release final (or near-final) drafts of the "Prologues" for marketing purposes several months before the books' release. Eventually they started selling the Prologues instead of releasing them into the wild for free. Not sure when that started, maybe as early as Book 7, I don't recall clearly, but I'm fairly sure this was already in play by the time of Book 9's release.

So that, I expect, is the explanation: TOR sold the prologues separately so the prologues had to get physically larger to be perceived as worth (in effect) buying twice.

(This was also around the time that TOR made RJ write out an actual prequel novella he had provided years previously for some famous fantasy author compilation, expanding it out into a whole relatively-half-sized novel called The New Spring. I started reading that a book or two ago, just to see if I would care, and got several chapters in before I said to hell with it and flung it off my Kindle.)


Ah well, 2/3 of the worst of the slog done, and to my amazement I'm actually looking forward to Crossroads of Twilight, generally regarded as the worst WOT novel of the series, simply because to me it will be entirely new material! WH almost was, because I had only read it once, back during its initial release ten years ago or so and I had forgotten a lot of the details (except for the few important things that actually got accomplished of course). Plus at the rate I've been steadily chewing through the books for the past couple of months, I know it won't take more than ten days or so, and then I'll be past the slog uphill and skiing down the golden slope. PRAY! -- PRAY THAT MY SPIRIT SHALL NOT BE CRUSHED AND THAT I SHALL EMERGE TRIUMPHANT FROM THE GAPING HIND END OF THis, um, wait I need to rethink this metaphor...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on August 11, 2013, 05:18:03 AM
LOL!  I feel your pain, Jason.  Just remember: only one more slog to get through -- you're almost there! 




I'm still working on The Princes of Ireland.  I'm now reading the second-to-last section, which means I'm about 80% finished with it. 

It's weird:  I would say the book isn't all that great a read, yet I find myself continuing to flip through the pages anyway...and the next thing I know, I've finished the section and am ready for the next one.  It would seem this is one read that's greater than the sum of its parts. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on August 11, 2013, 05:42:38 AM
Just finished '2-1 Pony' by Charles.R.Carr about his tour of duty in 'Nam in the 9th Div. Now reading part 2 of 'Armoured Bears' which is about 3rd Panzer Div, and next in line is 'Ghost, Thunderbolt and Wizard' which is about cavalry commanders Mosby, Morgan and Forrest. All three are from Stackpole and were free downloads for the Kindle.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on August 17, 2013, 01:15:03 AM
I'm reading The Judging Eye by R. Scott Bakker.
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Post by: Martok on August 17, 2013, 02:11:36 AM
Despite my original resolution to move onto the next book on my list, I've ended up starting The Rebels of Ireland after all -- I found Princes to be just compelling enough to continue the saga.  Christopher Moore's Sacre Bleu will have to wait... 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on August 17, 2013, 05:39:06 AM
I see that The Desert of Stars is out so will be picking it up for my weekend reading. I really enjoyed the first book in the series (Through Struggle, The Stars) and have high hopes for the sequel. :)

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 17, 2013, 06:11:11 AM
I"m working on Africa's Commandos - review coming soon.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51r8DCG3LAL._SY346_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_.jpg)

short version: one of the best non-fiction collections of military memoirs you'll ever find

http://www.amazon.com/AFRICAS-COMMANDOS-Rhodesian-Infantry-Airborne/dp/1907677755/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376741346&sr=8-1
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on August 17, 2013, 09:30:12 AM
I'm reading The Judging Eye by R. Scott Bakker.

Excellent! Hope you enjoy it.
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Post by: Greybriar on August 17, 2013, 02:31:20 PM
Me, too, Bob. I wish I hadn't taken a break from the series as it was hard getting back in the groove.  ;)
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Post by: bob48 on August 17, 2013, 02:35:10 PM
I know exactly what you mean, but its worth the effort.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on August 17, 2013, 03:53:39 PM
I just started Ender's Game. Never read it before.

Next, who knows. I'd like to get Medium Raw read, maybe finish Tokyo Vice as well.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Kushan on August 17, 2013, 07:50:36 PM
I started reading A Game of Thrones the other day. I've already read it once but its been awhile. I got 1/3 of the way through the second book and quit reading. Hoping I can finally make it through the whole series this go around.
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Post by: Airborne Rifles on August 17, 2013, 07:55:03 PM
I see that The Desert of Stars is out so will be picking it up for my weekend reading. I really enjoyed the first book in the series (Through Struggle, The Stars) and have high hopes for the sequel. :)

I Through Struggle the Stars on my Kindle waiting to be read. Just haven't gotten around to it. Is it worth the time?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: BanzaiCat on August 18, 2013, 07:08:45 AM
I started reading A Game of Thrones the other day. I've already read it once but its been awhile. I got 1/3 of the way through the second book and quit reading. Hoping I can finally make it through the whole series this go around.

I did this same thing with the first book, at LEAST three times. I finally got past the hump and got into a roller-coaster of a ride. I'm currently on the fourth book, about 2/3 of the way through - and stopped yet again. It has nothing to do with the story, it's rather engaging; it's more just me finding shinier things to read right now.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on August 18, 2013, 10:53:05 AM
B_C, enjoy Ender's Game.  I would suggest stopping there.  When I first read the book a few years ago, there were only three in the series.  Now there's like, eight.  And I encourage you and Kushan to finish A Game of Thrones.  The sixth book was disappointing (to me at least), but the other five I enjoyed quite well.  And with the wealth of characters, it's best to stay on top of it lest you miss some plot point that is crucial.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on August 18, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
I see that The Desert of Stars is out so will be picking it up for my weekend reading. I really enjoyed the first book in the series (Through Struggle, The Stars) and have high hopes for the sequel. :)

I Through Struggle the Stars on my Kindle waiting to be read. Just haven't gotten around to it. Is it worth the time?

IMO it is well worth it if you like military SF.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on August 18, 2013, 01:24:32 PM
I just started Ender's Game. Never read it before.

Next, who knows. I'd like to get Medium Raw read, maybe finish Tokyo Vice as well.

 :o   Im always surprised when I hear that a wargamer just read this book for the first time.
its like mandatory reading at some point before you finish middle school.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: BanzaiCat on August 18, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
I was never much of a sci-fi reader in middle school. Instead, I read books like Guadacanal Diary, A Night to Remember, and anything war- or battle-related.

I DID read Starship Troopers, and it's one of my favorites to this day, if that counts for anything. (I even have the board game from way back in the day; my dad played it all the time with a friend of his.)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on August 18, 2013, 02:37:41 PM
Just about done with Baneblade (WH40K) and moving on to Priests of Mars (also WH40K). Then it's on to my Big Honkin' Ancient Roman Reading list, with the imminent release of Rome II approaching quickly.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on August 20, 2013, 05:16:33 AM
I am about half way through Storm Surge which is the latest Destroyermen novel by Taylor Anderson. Although I am enjoying the story, the number of plotlines is starting to get out of hand with no end in sight.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on August 21, 2013, 07:56:44 AM
Still on schedule, I finished Crossroads of Twilight, Book 10 of The Wheel of Time. The first new WoT book I've read since Book 9 was released back in whatever year that was. ... ...... 13 years ago? Really?

sigh.

(I knew reading this series was going to make me melancholy for reasons I sure as hell am not going to talk about on a public forum, plus also getting old. But dang.)

Anyway, yeah I'm still entirely glad I put off reading this until the series was finished. Because if I had waited another three years for Book 10, after the increasing disappointments of Books 6-9, and had spend a good 20 hours of my life reading this thing, hoping desperately that RJ was going to finally get things together -- I would have been UTTERLY LIVID! (Instead some friends of mine took the bullet and warned me off.)

As it is, strange as this is going to sound, from the larger perspective of knowing the series is finished and trusting those same friends that the last four books are worth the effort, I'm only ambivalent about CoT. If WoT is one ultra-large 14 volume book, CoT would be a draggy five or six chapters before the climactic last 1/3 (or thereabouts).

I feel reasonably sure if I ever decide to spend five months of my life reading this series again, I'll just skip CoT as an experiment and see what happens. So much of almost nothing happens, I feel kind of confident that what little does move forward would be summarized in Book 11 well enough that, having read Book 10 once originally I could go yep, no problem, I remember that, moving on.

Alternately, if I could find some way to transfer my Kindle files to a Word doc, and if I had raving insanity time and energy I didn't prefer to spend elsewhere, I might try an experimental fan edit of trimming down Books 6 and 7 to one book (since they largely deal with the same topics), Books 8 and 9 to one book (because like hell would I try to end a book on 10's material), and then trim Book 10 down to a novella extension of chapters for appending to the start of Book 11. Sure, the two fully compressed new books still wouldn't be as strong as Book 5, but they'd be punchier and move along more quickly than they do. Book 10 I suspect could be effectively trimmed to maybe seven chapters, and as such wouldn't be the strongest way to start Book 11, but God knows it would have to be better than it currently is.

Because seriously, I raise my hand on oath to heaven, I promise never to write a book with so little going on as CoT. Nowhere close. Practically every main group of the plot is stuck somewhere frustrating and boring FOR THE WHOLE BOOK, despite numerous chapters devoted to them nevertheless. (Not to Rand's side of the plot, thank Christ -- he only gets a few chapters -- but then most of the book is set a few days before, during, and after the climactic action from Book 9 way off in the distance.)

Let CoT be a lesson to all aspiring epic fantasy writers: if your characters are bored and miserable and unhappy 100% of the time, YOUR READERS WILL BE TOO!!!

I don't even think the main villains show up in this book, aside from a brief cameo appearance by Mesaana and the Superfade, which is nice while it lasts, but it's typical of this book that we get to see what Mesaana 'really' looks like while she's camping at the White Tower and yet absolutely no useful hints as to who she's operating as are revealed. (Other than denying the prevalent reader theory at the time, based on that character's introduction in a chapter five books previously with a Forsaken chapter icon that didn't seem to have one of the Forsaken in it. So... does that count as progress? By this book's standards, it does.)

This is the first (and I'm sure the last) book of the series not to even try to end on a climactic action sequence. 10% before the end, I'm still reading chapters that are dawdling along like we're somewhere in the setup 1/3 of another book; then 7%; then good Lord 5%; then suddenly when something vaguely important seems to be happening IT'S TIME FOR THE GLOSSARY THE BOOK IS OVER!

Never. I will never end out a book that way. I may not have an action sequence to end out Edge of Justice, but I provided a meaty Macro-Fight Sequence during the final third, and the chapters that do end out resolve a major foreshadowed incident with major crises. And if possible I won't release EoJ by itself (which I could have done several times in the past few years already), I'll release Song of Justice at the same time so people can move right along to finish out this part of the story and resolve a lot of plotlines.

Crossroads of Twilight, simply put, was not written for the sake of the readers, the ones who pay the bills. Nor am I cynical enough to believe it was written merely to sell one more book to fans desperately clinging to some hope the series would end well. The more I think of it, the more I suspect it this is a fleshed out first quarter to Knife of Dreams, where RJ thought certain plot things had to be slightly advanced, but catching readers up on various strands of the plot was taking so long that he didn't think it was going to work as the start of KoD and so puffed it out even more to try to make a book of it. (No, you should have reduced it and stopped indulging in every quirk of description of personal dress and habit for every hexiary minor character who drifts across the page.)

As Perrin himself (one of the three main heroes) says on page 671 (only 84% through the story), toward the end of an incident that seemed to be promising some interesting excitement but which literally amounts to winnowing weevils out of grain: "It was all an elaborate bit of nonsense, fluff and feathers."

I gather RJ finally started listening to his characters (and maybe his readers) while writing Book 11, but it was too late for him to live to see his own series finished.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on August 21, 2013, 04:25:55 PM
Well done, Jason.  I myself didn't mind Crown of Swords and Path of Daggers so much -- they weren't great reads, but at least I didn't find them to be horrible -- but books 9 and 10 are absolutely brutal in terms of their lack of pacing.  (A snail dragging a 50 lb. weight moves faster.) 

I envy you; you're finally about to get back to the good stuff!  I'll have to be more careful about reading your posts from here on out (at least once you finish Knife of Dreams), as I don't wish to spoil things for myself.  ;) 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on August 22, 2013, 07:13:33 AM
Yeah I'm trying not to post too many spoilers even for books 10 years oMG I FEEL SO OLD AND EMPTY!!! (http://www.wargamer.com/forums/smiley/apathic.gif)

Ahem.

My mini review for KoD is that the first 10% (which covers most but not all of the prologue again) is already better than the totality of CoT despite focusing mostly on minor characters; kicking off with the long-deserved butt-kicking of a major minor villain and the start of a strategic duel between ultra-generals (one of whom has never been seen before and the other of whom only showed up once before in CoT's prologue -- thus strengthening my theory that CoT and KoD could be usefully compiled) plus an appearance by one of the Forsaken announcing a hugely important slaughter (though off-screen). And while still a bit draggy in the usual ways, useful (also dangerous) contact is finally made between Perrin and the army he's been trailing for two books now.

You'll know what I'm talking about of course, and the feeling of THANK GOD FINALLY PLOT CONSTIPATION IS BEING RELIEVED OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT!!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Steelgrave on August 22, 2013, 08:25:03 AM
Just knocked off Sandman Slim by Richard Kadrey as well as the second book in the series, Kill the Dead and I'm eagerly awaiting the third and fourth books to arrive from Amazon. Meet James Stark, aka Sandman Slim, a talented magician sent to Hell by a rival, where he spends eleven years fighting in the arena before escaping back to the different hell that is Los Angeles, seeking revenge against those who tore apart his life. Very crisp writing with sharp dialogue, a wicked sense of humor and plenty of action. Reminds me of Gaiman's American Gods in some ways, except more straightforward (you're not having to guess who the players actually are). Highly recommended for fans who can take a little dark humor with their fantasy.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5776788-sandman-slim (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5776788-sandman-slim)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on August 22, 2013, 04:08:51 PM
Sounds interesting Steelie - I may have to add 'em to my never diminishing 'want' list.
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Post by: Staggerwing on August 22, 2013, 04:31:03 PM
Cool! Added to my wish list. Looks like there is a fifth book as well.
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Post by: Steelgrave on August 22, 2013, 06:59:05 PM
Sweet. If you read 'em, let us know what you think. I'm thoroughly enjoying the books.

BTW, the series in order is:

Sandman Slim
Kill the Dead
Aloha from Hell
Devil Said Bang
Kill City Blues
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Keunert on August 28, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
currently Tristram Shandy. what a great and strange novel.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on August 28, 2013, 07:12:19 PM
I put aside Priests of Mars...it is too techno-freaky-styley for me right now. I'll try again later. And now...on to some ancients reading.
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Post by: bayonetbrant on August 28, 2013, 08:15:04 PM
Africa's Commandos (http://grogheads.com/?p=2294)
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Post by: BanzaiCat on August 29, 2013, 09:17:39 AM
I went to my son's high school last night (he's a freshman), where they had parents doing a follow-the-schedule thing. In his English class, I found out his first book to read is...Ender's Game.

She wanted to be sure they got a chance to read it before the movie comes out in November.
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Post by: mirth on August 29, 2013, 11:59:44 AM
I went to my son's high school last night (he's a freshman), where they had parents doing a follow-the-schedule thing. In his English class, I found out his first book to read is...Ender's Game.

She wanted to be sure they got a chance to read it before the movie comes out in November.

Pretty cool English teacher right there.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on August 29, 2013, 07:56:45 PM
Just began Legions of Rome by Stephen Dando Collins, a history of every Roman legion.
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Post by: Bison on August 29, 2013, 07:58:39 PM
Just began Legions of Rome by Stephen Dando Collins, a history of every Roman legion.

This sounds quite interesting.
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Post by: Gusington on August 30, 2013, 07:22:21 AM
About 25 pages in and thankfully it is quite accessible. It's about 600 pages but shouldn't be too rough as it is broken up nicely with maps, illustrations and photos. It's sort of like a small coffee table book.
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Post by: Bison on August 30, 2013, 07:24:24 AM
I do like coffee and occasionally tables.
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Post by: Gusington on August 30, 2013, 07:27:57 AM
You will dig this then. And it can be had for about 20.00. (Insert mom joke here)
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Post by: Windigo on August 30, 2013, 10:21:58 AM
You will dig this then. And it can be had for about 20.00. (Insert mom joke here)

You must be feeling better, your sense of humour is back on track.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Shelldrake on August 30, 2013, 04:20:37 PM
Just began Legions of Rome by Stephen Dando Collins, a history of every Roman legion.

Getting ready for Rome II eh?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on August 30, 2013, 06:22:34 PM
^O yes...ooooo yes....

Am almost back to normal Breezy. Even went running today. And then cramped in the heat.

But better, still.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on August 31, 2013, 11:57:40 AM
Just began Legions of Rome by Stephen Dando Collins, a history of every Roman legion.

Wishlisted that promptly!


So, finished Knife of Dreams (book 11 of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time) on schedule last night. Oddly, I feel like I just finished reading my first WOT book in 10 years, but that isn't true: Crossroads of Twilight was the first new WOT book I had read in 10 years!

On thinking about it, I decided that's because CoT never felt finished. People meander around setting up slightly for future events (all fluff and feathers as one of the main protagonists, Perrin, puts it himself in his last chapter of that book), and then the book just stops at the moment of the first real crisis point of the whole tome.

Things happen in KoD -- almost all the setup from CoT (and earlier) is resolved except for retaking the White Tower, and just about every important plot regarding the rebel Tower is still resolved along the way (mainly having to do with a set of murders being solved and a Forsaken being exposed).

I could tell immediately that KoD was going to be better (even without having heard from various friends and other readers) because right off the bat during the prologue (another amusingly long 12% booklength epic in itself) there's quite a bit of decisive action that doesn't involve retelling the events of a previous book from another perspective, including the dramatic defeat of one of the major minor villains (so to speak). I haven't finished reading the prologue of The Gathering Storm yet (itself only 8% length by the way, which also seems a good sign), but aside from an opening scene that drags out a bit too long (yet in a very Stephen Kingish way) focusing on a random Borderland farmer, there are already a number of interesting point of view advancements to the plot including the unexpected death of a minor ally from KoD. (From everything I've heard TGD is even better than KoD.)

My theory that CoT and KoD were originally intended to be one book advanced a little farther with the realization that the late Darryl K. Sweet's cover art for CoT illustrates a scene that doesn't occur until KoD! -- but then, his cover art for KoD depicts a scene that doesn't happen until TGD (I suppose) either! I can't really imagine that CoT, KoD and TGD were all intended to be one book: I have to suppose RJ changed his mind about what needed to happen on Mat's side of the plot in order to get to the cover scene (which I'm fine with because what's there instead is very good), but he must have originally intended that scene for the book because practically every time the plot goes back to Mat in KoD that scene is being foreshadowed. (I'm being vague as to specifics here in case someone doesn't want spoilers; it'll be obvious enough to anyone who keeps going up through Book 11.)

This did give me the idea that instead of converting Books 6&7, 8&9, and 10&11 into three books (which would work well enough although Book 9's climactic plot action isn't staged very well), I wish I could take a stab at converting books 6-8 and 9-11 into two books. Books 6-8 would be largely devoted to Rand freeing Illian from Sammael and then defending that country from the encroaching Seanchan invasion (on his side of the plot); and to the creation and growth of the Black Tower into a fearsome army support group (also on his side of the plot); while Elayne and Nyn discover how to settle the bad summer weather and deal with that side of the plot. Also, as annoying as the foolish competition over Perrin is, that could all be condensed into one book. ;) (His wife is captured at the very end of Book 8, and after that the competition naturally ends up through Book 11.) The Forses who had died but hadn't been balefired out of existence would return and Moridin would start consolidating his team back together instead of letting them compete against one another.

Then in the new book 7 (now books 9, 10, and 11), the Perrin vs. Shaido plot would be played out and resolved; the courtship of Mat and the Daughter of the Nine Moons would be introduced and resolved (Mat having been out of action all of Book 8 ) up to the point where they marry anyway; Rand would go into hiding from being hunted by the Forses, deal with his rebel Black Tower assassins, resolve (sort of) a huge plot point haunting the series since before Book 1, rest up from doing that, and get back in the saddle with a fight against an army of 100,000 Trollocs plus springing a Forsaken trap; Egwene would get the rebel White Tower moving and all the plot inside the WT (featuring mostly new minor characters) would be compressed into one book; and Elayne would go through all the mess of reclaiming the crown of Andor in only one book.

True, the resulting books might be significantly larger than any of the other books, say 1000 pages instead of 6 or 7 hundred, but plots would still move a lot faster relatively (since as it stands the books cover around 4200 pages total, possibly more). And true, much more of Book 11 would be retained than any of the other books by proportion, but I expect much more of Book 10 would be dropped by the same proportion. ;)

Unfortunately, unless I want to spend the time typing out those two compilation books by hand (at 1000ish pages each), I don't see any way to accomplish such a fan edit yet. Amazon naturally wants to protect its publishers' copyrights (which in principle I agree with) so its Kindle software prevents copy-pasting to other documents, and as of Win8 they hide their books in hidden folders split into fragments with hexadecimal titles so even if the fragments are found it won't be very obvious which fragments go to which books (making it more difficult to use 3rd party software to convert Kindle files to a pdf which can be copy-pasted from.) I do have direct access to the files from my Kindle on my older Macintosh, though, so maybe I can use a converter by that route... {puzzling}

If I did do the project, I'd have to restrict it to my own useage (and my Dad's perhaps, as he's almost finished with Book 2), since that would be copyright violation to have even one book (much moreso six books) of material wandering out free in the world, and that wouldn't be fair to TOR or to RJ's heirs. (Sanderson's final three books from RJ's notes wouldn't be touched on this plan.) Unless of course TOR decided to publish the results themselves, which isn't entirely impossible -- they actually have published extensive catchup summaries and notes by one of their editors/authors, despite those being also found totally for free on TOR's own website! -- but seeing as how I'm only a barely published author myself, it might as well be. Impossible, I mean. ;)


Oh well, the best thing I can say about KoD is that I almost felt like I was reading The Fires of Heaven (not quite, things don't move along that far or spectacularly), which I haven't felt like since, um, reading TFoH.  ;D SIX FREAKING BOOKS AGO!

And it's hard to believe that, if my reading stays on schedule, I'll finish WOT, really actually finish the series, finally, in 30 days.

The slog is well and truly over (I hope), and it's all downhill into and through the Last Battle(s) from here!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on August 31, 2013, 03:41:55 PM
^You...are almost as easy as me.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Windigo on August 31, 2013, 09:00:39 PM
^You...are almost as easy as me.

Your wife says you're 30 seconds easy
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on September 01, 2013, 08:18:05 AM
Incidentally I was wrong, I may have been so much expecting another long prologue my eyes filled in some loops: the TGD prologue was only 5% of the book, not 8%.

ONLY FIVE PERCENT OF THE TEXT DEVOTED TO THE PROLOGUE!? -- WHAT WITCHCRAFT IS THIS??!?!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on September 01, 2013, 08:34:06 AM
Breezy your Mom says I went 30 seconds too long.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Windigo on September 01, 2013, 09:34:14 PM
Breezy your Mom says I went 30 seconds too long.

..... errrrrr   Dad?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on September 04, 2013, 01:08:41 PM
Yes?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Windigo on September 04, 2013, 04:59:44 PM
Yes?

Can I have an allowance?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on September 05, 2013, 06:24:19 AM
Sure, as long as you don't use it to buy maple flavored ribbed condoms like I've warned you about before.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Windigo on September 05, 2013, 10:11:48 AM
Sure, as long as you don't use it to buy maple flavored ribbed condoms like I've warned you about before.

I only want 7.95 a month for NetFlix. So I can watch the crack whore on the series Breaking Bad. My friend Jay says she's hot in a weird way.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on September 05, 2013, 12:01:51 PM
I need to watch Breaking Bad too. Now you have me intrigued.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on September 05, 2013, 12:03:55 PM
Sure, as long as you don't use it to buy maple flavored ribbed condoms like I've warned you about before.

I only want 7.95 a month for NetFlix. So I can watch the crack whore on the series Breaking Bad. My friend Jay says she's hot in a weird way.

Or you can watch the prison lesbians in Orange is the New Black.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: BanzaiCat on September 05, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
Or The Man from Nowhere or Arahan.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Windigo on September 05, 2013, 12:39:30 PM
Don't listen to them Dad.... 
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Post by: BanzaiCat on September 05, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
UGESH SARCAR'S 3RD DEGREE!

...wait, no, that's too easy, because that show truly sucks bilbo's baggins.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on September 05, 2013, 01:29:19 PM
Hahaha!!

There is some great lovecraftian stuff on Netflix too.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on September 08, 2013, 02:18:59 PM
I finally finished off Edward Rutherfurd's The Rebels of Ireland this morning.  While overall I enjoyed it, I confess the last few chapters were disappointing, including the end.  In general, the two-book series was a nice jaunt through Irish history, but it felt rather shallow to me. 



Next up, something a little different:  The Book of the Dun Cow by Walter Wangerin.  I remember reading (and liking) it when I was ten or so, and was recently motivated to peruse its pages once more. 

I've already read several chapters, and I marvel that it's considered a children's story.  True, the writing isn't exactly adult per se, but I don't know that I would ever let my kid read (if I had one), at least not until they were a certain age.  Indeed, I'm now somewhat astonished my folks let *me* read it at the age I did (even if I was always reading a couple levels beyond most kids my age). 

Anyway, it's as enjoyable as I remember; definitely a good book so far.  It'll be a quick one too, obviously, but I don't mind that. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on September 09, 2013, 06:40:31 AM

Next up, something a little different:  The Book of the Dun Cow by Walter Wangerin.  I remember reading (and liking) it when I was ten or so, and was recently motivated to peruse its pages once more. 

I've already read several chapters, and I marvel that it's considered a children's story.  True, the writing isn't exactly adult per se, but I don't know that I would ever let my kid read (if I had one), at least not until they were a certain age.  Indeed, I'm now somewhat astonished my folks let *me* read it at the age I did (even if I was always reading a couple levels beyond most kids my age). 

Anyway, it's as enjoyable as I remember; definitely a good book so far.  It'll be a quick one too, obviously, but I don't mind that.

I had to read this for a high school English class. I never really got it. I've never run into anyone outside of that class who has read it, though.  You're right, it definitely doesn't come across as a children's book.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on September 09, 2013, 07:46:43 AM
I love that book (of the Dun Cow)! -- but dang the sequel is suicidally horrid.

As much as I love the first book I ought to give the sequel another chance, I guess, if I can find it in my stacks somewhere, although I suspect I threw it away. ;) But there's a reason why it isn't as (relatively) famous as the first book.

And yeah, there's no way I'd read even the first book to my nieces at their age. That's a young adult fantasy (at least) posing as a 'children's' story. Granted, kids nowadays aren't as tough as they used to be, but still...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on September 09, 2013, 08:25:28 AM
I just started reading Sarum by Edward Rutherfurd (http://www.edwardrutherfurd.com/).
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on September 09, 2013, 06:00:51 PM
^Great book! I have been thinking about re-reading Sarum recently. Rutherford also wrote one about London that fits nicely inside the greater narrative as well as a book about the history of Russia which I have yet to read.

EDIT: Just clicked your link. Looks like Rutherford wrote a few more books as well that I might need to check out including a (Gus Alert!) one about New York.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on September 09, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
^I have that book in my mahogany-lined, to-read library next to the brandy snifters.

A lot of my friends and family have read Rutherford, either London, Paris or some others and many are 'meh' about him, that's why I haven't jumped on the book yet.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on September 09, 2013, 06:22:37 PM
Read Sarum. IIRC it spans from just after the ice Age all the way up to modern times, following several family groups as they wax and wane in significance.
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Post by: Windigo on September 09, 2013, 06:55:07 PM
Frederick Pohl died just recently... RIP
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on September 09, 2013, 08:24:17 PM
Sarum eh...got it up on Amazon now.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: republic on September 10, 2013, 05:43:40 AM
I was looking through popular Amazon science fiction and I stumbled across Empire (In Her Name Redemption Trilogy) by Michael R. Hicks.  The author offers the first book (Empire) for free so I thought I'd give it a whirl.  Wow...I haven't had a book grab my attention that fast in a very long time. 

According to Kindle, I've read 31% of the book in 2 days.. Which for me is amazing since I read so slow plus I have so little time to read.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on September 10, 2013, 06:37:51 AM
^Great book! I have been thinking about re-reading Sarum recently. Rutherford also wrote one about London that fits nicely inside the greater narrative as well as a book about the history of Russia which I have yet to read.

EDIT: Just clicked your link. Looks like Rutherford wrote a few more books as well that I might need to check out including a (Gus Alert!) one about New York.

I read Russia by Rutherford a few years ago and was a little unimpressed.  Maybe I need to give him another chance.  He seems to be one of the only people writing in the vein of James Michener, whose books I love.  Russia was ok, just didn't really keep me enthralled.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on September 10, 2013, 06:48:37 AM
Yeah I've read that Rutherford wants to be the new Michener but so far has fallen short.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on September 10, 2013, 10:58:19 AM
^I have that book in my mahogany-lined, to-read library next to the brandy snifters.

A lot of my friends and family have read Rutherford, either London, Paris or some others and many are 'meh' about him, that's why I haven't jumped on the book yet.

Count me as one of those in the "meh" category.  (See my above comments regarding The Rebels of Ireland.) 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Lafayette on September 10, 2013, 11:39:07 AM
I would say that Sarum is definitely his best, and like the other England-based ones (London, The Forest(?)) also.  I think they have declined in quality as he has gone along, and found Paris a real slog (and New York not much better).  But Sarum is excellent- actually, portions of it stayed with me a long time.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on September 10, 2013, 09:54:17 PM
I read his Russia book.  Some of it was a slog, some of it was decent, none of it bowled me over enough to remember anything more than the vague outlines of the plot.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on September 11, 2013, 04:38:14 AM
I was looking through popular Amazon science fiction and I stumbled across Empire (In Her Name Redemption Trilogy) by Michael R. Hicks.  The author offers the first book (Empire) for free so I thought I'd give it a whirl.  Wow...I haven't had a book grab my attention that fast in a very long time. 

According to Kindle, I've read 31% of the book in 2 days.. Which for me is amazing since I read so slow plus I have so little time to read.

It looks like two of the books are free on kindle right now but what is confusing is the order the books are in. It appears that there are three different trilogies based on the In Her Name plot. This page shows them in recommended order:
http://authormichaelhicks.com/books-by-michael-r-hicks/
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on September 11, 2013, 07:42:07 AM
Finished The Gathering Storm on schedule last night, Book 12 of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series, the first of the final trilogy (sort of) and the first book co-authored by Sanderson after RJ's death. (Whew!)

Yep, quite happy with it, although it lacked a bit of polish. I'm not complaining about a lack of detail, which was sufficient and didn't overwhelm the book the way it threatened even in RJ's last pre-mortem book Knife of Dreams (although that was a vast improvement over the previous six declining in quality). But there were times when apparently Sanderson lost track of where characters were in their scenes and so they teleported around a bit; or times when he would repeat terms nearby in close proximity for no artistic reason.

Plotwise dramatic things happen with a good leavening of action on occasion, even though I think overall there might have been less action in this book than in KoD. The final few chapters threatened a lot of tragic action for dramatic effect, since Rand gets so depressed and insane that he nearly [does something spoilery I guess?] before more-or-less randomly fixing himself and going sane. So I don't begrudge a lack of a final action scene since important plot things happen instead (unlike in CoT), and anyway Egwene's side of the plot had been resolved with a nicely flashy climactic action sequence several chapters earlier. The only thing I grudge about the ending was the inclusion of a short chapter where one character learns something we already learned (and had been recently reminded of multiple times), which someone else in the scene already knows about, and which I can't figure out what use that particular character (Min) could even possibly make of it. Probably the scene was set up so someone else in the scene (Nynaeve) will learn it as a side-effect, but why did it have to be there at the end of the novel when nothing happens from it? It isn't like Nyn goes LIGHT YES THAT IS THE SOLUTION I SHALL CERTAINLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT NEXT BOOK SINCE WE'RE AT THE END OF THIS ONE. ;) Possibly the chapter was set up so that Min could feel like she was accomplishing something with her philosophic study, but she gets the answer (which we already knew and had been far more effectively reminded of recently) from someone else anyway. Well, it was a short chapter. And by the way the chapters in TGS (and KoD for that matter) tend to be a lot shorter than in previous books, so the pacing moves along a lot better. I just didn't want this chapter interrupting the final plot dramatics for the book.

I'm spending a lot of effort on that minor complaint because I don't have much else to complain about in this book. :) Well, I did complain a minute ago about the resolution to Rand's ongoing mental difficulties, and while that's very nicely set up, and probably was drawn directly from notes left by RJ, I think it could have been handled a bit better.

THIS COULD COUNT AS A SPOILER I GUESS SO SKIP DOWNWARD

It comes down to LIFE SUCKS AND WE KEEP REPEATING SUCKY LIFES OVER AND OVER SO ANNIHILATE EVERYTHING SCREW YOU GOD and then suddenly bi-polar flipping to OH WAIT NICE THINGS HAPPEN TO AND IF WE CEASE TO EXIST THERE WON'T BE THOSE EITHER OKAY I'LL KEEP AT IT YAY FOR HAPPINESS.

Maybe that seemed weak to RJ and/or Sanderson because there's an extra bit where Rand decides that being reborn gives someone the ability to fix what they did wrong the first time, for which he's verrrry vaguely grateful to the Creator -- which seems even weaker and outright self-contradictory because earlier his whole complaint was that the Pattern keeps forcing people to live their lives over and over again into infinity and nothing gets finally accomplished (for which he was hot to blame God) in a situation where they have to keep winning to get that unsatisfactory result but one loss means the end of everything or maybe worse if the Dark One gets control but doesn't annihilate the world. My point being that the "second chance" rationale makes literally no sense as an answer to that problem. Also, the second chance rationale only really applies to him out of everyone else in the world because he's the only person who remembers doing it wrong the first time.

Well, RJ's metaphysics for his story are kind of half-assed and screwed up anyway, mainly there to provide drama and coloring, so trying to work through them to some satisfying reason to keep on living and save people instead of destroy them would naturally lead to screwy results anyway, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But it was clearly supposed to be meaningful as a scene (and superficially was, it's set up great), and wasn't supposed to come off as a bipolar mood swing of a crazy person but as a crazy person being healed back to sanity so he can effectively finish out the story.

Now that I think of it, I have a suspicion that Min was originally intended to be in the scene, since talking Rand out of total annihilation would have given her a clear plot arc in the book: she does serve one much earlier to set Rand off into stone-cold killer mode, and by logic of dramatic balance and her studying of philosophy and metaphysics since back around Book 7 (!!) she should be part of the solution. Moreover, the chapter title itself was "Veins of Gold", which for the last few books has always been a reference to the love Rand feels coming from Elayne, Min and Avi (...it's complicated). She's the one he's keeping near; it was her screw-up that led to this crisis (insisting on being around him all the time when she's a liability in a fight); having her nearby during his philosophical climax would have more directly reminded him of the importance of love and protecting love and DANGIT HE'S NOT DOING HER ANY FAVORS BY ANNIHILATING HER! With her divorced (in a manner of speaking) from the proceedings, his resolution about love becomes much weaker and less personal: at most he vaguely wonders if Ilyena reincarnated, too, somewhere -- but even then he never thinks LIGHT IF I WIPE OUT EVERYTHING I'M KILLING ILYENA AGAIN WHEREVER SHE IS LIKE LAST TIME ONLY WORSE! Which would have tied in much better with the reason he spends much of the book in an emotional shutdown to begin with. (I'm trying to be vague about details for non-spoiler purposes.)

Maybe when the time came, Sanderson just couldn't figure out how to get Rand and Min together in the same room again in some plausible way so they could both go to the top of the mountain and have a stronger climactic scene. But even without her there, it could have been handled better.


END MORE DETAILED SPOILER COMPLAINT

Oh, and that hugely important plot point which Kod's original cover showed finally kicking into gear? It doesn't actually get done in this book either, after increasing teases about it for the past three books at least. I understand why from a plot strategy perspective, since Mat had to be free first to follow that plot point and he wasn't until the very tail end of TGS, but it's still kind of frustrating. (Mat does get to do a few nifty things, so I'm not unhappy about his side of the plot otherwise.) Egwene's side of the plot works up and resolves in a very satisfactory fashion, and that helps strengthen the book. Perrin's more-or-less marking time, along with Elayne elsewhere, since resolving their big plot points in KoD, but Sanderson doesn't spend silly amounts of time and effort describing them and everyone else around them marking time in detail, so yay!  ;D

Altogether, I'd rank TGS slightly higher than KoD, mainly because KoD still had some annoying leftover over-descriptions. Otherwise they're about equally good, but equally good in somewhat different ways. Had the resolution of Rand's madness plot been handled better, and it could have been handled better even without Min being there, I'd regard it as being substantially better than TGS despite having somewhat less action in it.

Ten days from now, I'll report on Towers of Midnight. I have no reason to believe I won't enjoy it, although I happen to know from other readers that The Last Battle doesn't really start until the final book (despite this book heavily indicating it's going to start pretty much any time now). Maybe Book 13 will have more to do with the surviving Forses, since the Forsaken only make a couple of token appearances in TGS.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on September 11, 2013, 12:23:12 PM
<Skip's Jason's post, going "la-la-la-la, I can't hear you...">




I finished The Book of the Dun Cow this morning.  Truly a terrific read; I'm thinking I need to pick up a copy of it for myself. 

Next up:  Harry Turtledove's Ruled Britannia, a what-if look at England under Spanish rule after the Armada smashed Elizabeth's fleet.  It's been sitting on my bookshelf for quite some time since I last picked it up, and I was suddenly moved to read it again. 

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Post by: JasonPratt on September 11, 2013, 07:33:04 PM
<Skip's Jason's post, going "la-la-la-la, I can't hear you...">

Oh, yeah, I guess that large middle portion might count as a spoiler even though I left out details of specifically what happens. I've added spoiler warnings now (and tried to reduce the font of that portion to make it easier to skip past.)

On the other hand, had you read the post you could have mocked me for repeatedly referring to The Gathering Storm as TGD.  :o

I am 100% sure the explanation for this is that, as a Christian universalist who is also the student of a famous apologist, C. S. Lewis, who wasn't a universalist but who was himself the student of a famous Christian universalist, George MacDonald, whose views Lewis somewhat reverses to look more like his own in The Great Divorce... {inhalllle!} ...I'm often asked to comment about what happens in TGD, so I have a habit of using that acronym.

Which admittedly counts as being at least slightly insane.




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I finished The Book of the Dun Cow this morning.  Truly a terrific read; I'm thinking I need to pick up a copy of it for myself.

If you get an opportunity to read the sequel, let me know what you think DON'T!  ;D

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Next up:  Harry Turtledove's Ruled Britannia, a what-if look at England under Spanish rule after the Armada smashed Elizabeth's fleet.  It's been sitting on my bookshelf for quite some time since I last picked it up, and I was suddenly moved to read it again.

Huh. That sounds like one of his less... colorful books. The Spanish don't use alien fairies or something like that eventually?
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Post by: Staggerwing on September 11, 2013, 08:34:31 PM
<Skip's Jason's post, going "la-la-la-la, I can't hear you...">




I finished The Book of the Dun Cow this morning.  Truly a terrific read; I'm thinking I need to pick up a copy of it for myself. 

Next up:  Harry Turtledove's Ruled Britannia, a what-if look at England under Spanish rule after the Armada smashed Elizabeth's fleet.  It's been sitting on my bookshelf for quite some time since I last picked it up, and I was suddenly moved to read it again.

If that's the book I'm thinking of then you will see Shakespeare in a new light.
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Post by: Martok on September 12, 2013, 03:51:35 AM
<Skip's Jason's post, going "la-la-la-la, I can't hear you...">

Oh, yeah, I guess that large middle portion might count as a spoiler even though I left out details of specifically what happens. I've added spoiler warnings now (and tried to reduce the font of that portion to make it easier to skip past.)

Oh, no worries.  As soon as I saw you mention The Gathering Storm, I knew to just skip your post.  (Not all of us need to be told "look away"; I am, on occasion, able to use the brains I was born with.)  :) 



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I finished The Book of the Dun Cow this morning.  Truly a terrific read; I'm thinking I need to pick up a copy of it for myself.

If you get an opportunity to read the sequel, let me know what you think DON'T!  ;D

Rest assured, I have no intention of reading the sequel.  I've heard it has a downer ending, which -- realistic though it may be -- is enough to turn me off to it. 



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Next up:  Harry Turtledove's Ruled Britannia, a what-if look at England under Spanish rule after the Armada smashed Elizabeth's fleet.  It's been sitting on my bookshelf for quite some time since I last picked it up, and I was suddenly moved to read it again.

Huh. That sounds like one of his less... colorful books. The Spanish don't use alien fairies or something like that eventually?

Ha, no.  The premise is presented in a reasonably plausible way, as is the course of events during the book itself.  It's actually a very good read, and was the book that turned me onto Turtledove in the first place. 




Next up:  Harry Turtledove's Ruled Britannia, a what-if look at England under Spanish rule after the Armada smashed Elizabeth's fleet.  It's been sitting on my bookshelf for quite some time since I last picked it up, and I was suddenly moved to read it again.

If that's the book I'm thinking of then you will see Shakespeare in a new light.

Well I've already read it twice before (I've owned the book for 7-8 years now), but yes, it did cause me to look at old Billy-boy from a different perspective.  I think Turtledove does a good job of portraying the world in which Shakespeare lived, and how the man himself lived as well --  something I'd always had trouble imagining. 

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Post by: republic on September 12, 2013, 05:24:47 AM
It looks like two of the books are free on kindle right now but what is confusing is the order the books are in. It appears that there are three different trilogies based on the In Her Name plot. This page shows them in recommended order:
http://authormichaelhicks.com/books-by-michael-r-hicks/

I usually prefer to read books in the order the author wrote them.  I have to say "In Her Name: Empire" is so far one of my favorite Science fiction books.  I've started volunteering for night feedings just so I can read for a few minutes. lol
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Post by: JasonPratt on September 23, 2013, 11:05:16 AM
I did in fact finish The Towers of Midnight, book 13 of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series, on schedule back on Friday, but being lazy busy I didn't get around to posting.

Don't worry, Martok, no spoilers this time. ;)

As expected, the story kept up a good pace with plenty of action sprinkled through it and lots of plot points being resolved preparatory to the Last Battle (tm). Which doesn't really start until somewhere in the final book, but that's okay. (Trivia note: when I opened my Kindle edition of Book 14, I saw a huge gap in the chapter bar at the bottom, and wondered if there was a formatting error. Nope, that's the chapter actually called "The Last Battle", and by itself not counting the other Last Battley stuff around it, it runs 22% of the 850ish pages of narrative text.)

Once again the title really has nothing at all to do with the story -- the reference to Towers of Midnight should have been something to do with the Seanchan Empire, but the story is never going there (RJ planned to run an epilogue series afterward which BS has said he probably won't do), so a brief prophetic viewing shows the Towers maybe representing the last remaining Forsaken who don't do a whole lot in the plot. Whatever.

I seriously wondered whether they would spend this next to last book with Mat still having not yet accomplished that Thing He Has Been Prophesied To Do Since Literally Book One And Which RJ and BS Have Been Teasing Us Could Happen Each Book Since Back Around Book Ten -- but BS saves it for the grand finale at the 90% mark. (Readers will know what I'm talking about. It was shown on the cover of Book 11, for no good reason at all.)

One thing I didn't like about the structure of the story was how Perrin and a major minor hero character (who had only been introduced in the past few books although we've heard about him since at least as far back as Book 2) spend literally the first half of the book catching up to the climactic incident of The Gathering Storm; which wouldn't be so bad in itself but everyone else in the plot (including Rand) clearly has moved along to doing other things! This would have bothered me more if it had been more obvious they were plot lagging substantially behind other chapters, but it was still annoying to discover I had been made to jump through temporal plot hoops. I guess those portions of plot had originally been slated for the previous book and then moved forward to keep from overstuffing that one while padding out this one. Fortunately, those chapters are still pretty good. I liked reading them, I just didn't like how they were presented once I realized what was going on. If they absolutely had to be saved for this book, then heck go the distance and just flip back and forth between those two parallel plot threads until they catch up with everyone else, and then start letting us know what Rand and the others are doing.

But these are minor complaints overall. I'm nostalgically excited to see this long-running story finally coming to a close in a suitably epic fashion, and I'll comment later about the final book when I finish it (probably on Sept 29 at this rate).

Meanwhile, because I am insane, my little side project of trimming down the middle sloggy books 6-10 is slowly humming along: I've nicked around 28 thousand words out of the first eight chapters (and prologue) of Lord of Chaos already. Not that anyone other than maybe my Dad and myself will ever be able to (legally) read it, but it's nice to think that ten years from now if I feel like spending another five months plugging through the books I won't have to spend so much time on those five. (Maybe by then I'll even have finished my reduction project!  ;D )
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Post by: BanzaiCat on September 23, 2013, 07:31:11 PM
I'm about halfway through Ender's Game, and having never read it before, it's pretty awesome.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 23, 2013, 08:37:56 PM
the last bit is awesome.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on September 24, 2013, 10:29:39 PM
I'm about halfway through Ender's Game, and having never read it before, it's pretty awesome.

Envy isn't quite the word, but, I wish it was me who was only half through Ender's Game for the first time.  *heavy sigh*
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on September 30, 2013, 07:39:21 PM
On schedule, tonight I finished A Memory of the Light, the 14th (not counting the goofy prologue novel) and final book of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time.

No, I'm not overly sure what the title was supposed to refer to, but at least there are more plausible candidates than for ToM or KoD or CoT.

A more accurate title for the book would be A Battle of All The Asskicking. Easily 80% of the book amounts to fighting of some sort, which is appropriate -- any Grog who gets this far will appreciate it, although even for my taste it got kind of numbing after a while. But hey, it's The Final Battle (and the Last Hunt, among other things), so all the stops had to be pulled out.

I'll have more comments tomorrow I expect. My short comment is that I'm happy with the book, happy I read the series, sad and nostalgic that the series is over (and for other personal reasons not directly related to the series which I'm not going to talk about), and Martok can proceed with reading the final trilogy secure in another vote for it Being Worth The Effort. :)

Now I'm off to go nostalgially weep or something. ;)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on October 01, 2013, 01:42:38 AM
Being in a Star Trek mood, I've begun the first book (Day of the Vipers) in the Terok Nor trilogy, which covers the Cardassian occupation of Bajor.  I've not read the other novels covering Star Trek's "Lost Era" (the period roughly defined as dating from Kirk's death aboard the Enterprise-B until the events in The Next Generation), but I enjoy these. 

Given the significant influence "The Occupation" (as it's generally referred to in-universe) has on two of Trek's most prominent races, I was glad to see it finally get the expanded-universe treatment.  I only wish the series might have been longer. 




and Martok can proceed with reading the final trilogy secure in another vote for it Being Worth The Effort. :)

Thank you, Jason, for that reassurance.  :) 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: BanzaiCat on October 01, 2013, 05:45:59 AM
Next up:  Harry Turtledove's Ruled Britannia, a what-if look at England under Spanish rule after the Armada smashed Elizabeth's fleet.  It's been sitting on my bookshelf for quite some time since I last picked it up, and I was suddenly moved to read it again.

I can't ever read Harry Turtledove again; he bores the beejeezus out of me. I read his little space-lizard-invading-Earth-during-WWII series, and was constantly expecting something big or interesting to happen. Read all three of the conflict books, and nothing. I started reading the 'Colonization' trilogy, thought 'what the hell am I doing,' and stopped immediately. The best way I can summarize his space lizard operetta is thinking Harry is saying the whole time, "Isn't this COOL? SPACE LIZARDS!"

I've tried - TRIED - to read so many of his series, but they're all the same thing - virtually no interesting characters and a story that's pretty much weaved with the assumption "wouldn't it be cool IF..."

No, Mr. Turtledove. It might be cool IF, but if your characters are cardboard cut-outs, it is NOT cool.

As frosting on the lets-throw-history-at-the-wall-until-something-sticks series, his literary agents are assholes.

Wow, that was therapeutic.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on October 01, 2013, 05:56:22 AM
Uff-da!  Sounds like you feel about Turtledove the same way I feel about George RR Martin and Robin Hobb (which is saying a lot). 


A pity his other stuff ruined him for you, as I suspect you might have actually enjoyed Ruled Britannia (which is a standalone novel, and not part of a series).  As it is, though, it's indeed probably best you stay away.  :-\ 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on October 01, 2013, 06:42:22 AM
Okay, more thoughts on A Memory of Light now that I've slept on it a bit.

The primary question I guess is whether it was worth the increasing slog of Books 6 through 10. On more sober reflection this morning, I can honestly answer, "No, for me it isn't," and I have trouble believing even another fan will think so either. My main evidence for this is that I'm actually tinkering (pun half-intended) with the insanely huge task of trimming down 6,7,8 and 9,10,11 into two books rather than six (with new book 7 being mostly book 11). I wouldn't do that if I was satisfied with leaving those books in place for a prospective future readthrough some decade.

What good does that do someone who caved early? Well, it depends on when they caved. If you didn't even like the first three books, never mind, the final three books aren't going to be worth it for you (despite the groggy spectacle of a final 900ish page book largely dedicated to militant butt-kicking.) I will say that I thought the final three books bumped the plot along faster than the first three books did, if that helps other readers.

If you swore off after having read Book 10, then you can safely proceed with Book 11 and then the final trilogy: 11 is still a little laggy, but much better than any of the five books before it. If you absolutely need a recap, I'll recommend a resource in a minute.

If like me you swore off after having heard about Book 10, I can't say I recommend the doldrum of reading 10 before moving on. But the resource will help with that.

It comes down to whether you were reasonably entertained up to/through book 5, or sometime later in the slog. If so, the best advice I can give (until TOR recognizes my genius and throws money at printing the two-book compilation of books 6-11 ;) ) is to read Leigh Butler's WOT recap posts.


Leigh's whole series can be found here for free (http://www.tor.com/features/series/wot-reread) at TOR's site; TOR has also compiled her entries together (minus the comments from other readers no doubt) into a set of ebooks (or print books?) if you absolutely must pay someone a little more money for the convenience of having them all together in one place. (http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/03/the-wheel-of-time-reread-collected-ebooks-have-arrived) (She hasn't actually finished AMOL yet, and doesn't seem likely to do so before the end of the year at the rate she's going, but that's irrelevant for our purposes.) I'm thinking of getting Vols 2,3 and 4 for my Dad so he can burn along better on his own readthrough with minimal bother.

She does however tend to spoil the plot a bit up through when she herself quit (after reading Knife of Dreams), so reader beware: she not only summarizes each chapter but provides (often snarky) commentary on them. And I don't know whether she and/or TOR has edited the ebook versions of her summary/commentaries to remove spoilers about books she previously read but hasn't gotten to yet in the re-read. For example, what's up with Verin? A big plot mystery dating back at least as far as Book 2, maybe Book 1, and Leigh accidentally spoils it early in her commentaries.


More actual thoughts on the final book later, as I have some other things to be doing this morning. But I thought I ought to give people some advice on a viable option (fully supported by TOR themselves) to get through to the final "good parts" in a reasonably short and entertaining fashion. :)
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Post by: W8taminute on October 01, 2013, 07:31:43 AM
(http://cache0.bdcdn.net/assets/images/book/medium/9781/8441/9781844168699.jpg)

This is the 13th book in the Horus Heresy series.   I'm about halfway through.  This one started a bit slow but events are starting to unfold rapidly.   I am determined to finish the series.
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Post by: Martok on October 01, 2013, 09:22:20 AM
Thanks for your additional comments, Jason

Sounds like the last three books are definitely must-reads for me.  Not that I had much doubt -- they'd already been generally well-received by the fan-base, plus I already knew Sanderson to be a capable writer -- but I always find feedback from people I know to be invaluable (especially when it comes to books). 

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Post by: Gusington on October 01, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
Banzai Cat is so obtuse sometimes.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on October 01, 2013, 06:46:35 PM
Banzai Cat is so obtuse sometimes.

?

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Post by: Gusington on October 01, 2013, 07:54:14 PM
Sarcasm. You were clearly not obtuse in your above post.
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Post by: Bison on October 01, 2013, 08:18:02 PM
Something Wicked This Way Comes.
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Post by: Dolan50 on October 01, 2013, 09:21:51 PM
I was looking for some books to read on the history of the Roman Empire and came across this site-
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&Itemid=27&a=h

Lots of good reads here on a variety of subjects that I thought some here may find interesting and enjoyable.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on October 02, 2013, 04:36:43 AM
Sarcasm. You were clearly not obtuse in your above post.

I thought more isosceles, but my wife uses that obtuse word sometimes. ;)

Right now I'm reading lube and engine oil specifications, because work. Not nearly as interesting as Ender's Game unfortunately.
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Post by: Gusington on October 02, 2013, 06:36:11 AM
Thanks for the above link Dolan.

And nice hypotenuse Banzai Cat.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on October 02, 2013, 06:40:41 AM
Right angle back atcha.
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Post by: JasonPratt on October 02, 2013, 07:35:06 AM
I was thinking about writing up some niggling complaints about AMoL, but then I realized I couldn't do so without a lot of spoilage about how the story ends and who lives and who dies. (A lot of minor and major-minor characters die, btw, along with at least one outright major one -- and I'm not talking about Rand.)

So instead I'll just move along to finally finishing up some books I started late last year or early this year but had to put on hold while working through WoT. :)

First up: Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science (http://www.amazon.com/Sasquatch-Legend-Meets-Science-ebook/dp/B003JH8MBA), which though slightly out of date (only goes up to 2007) pulls together a lot of scientific analysis on footprint and other data, and research into various hoax claims. (Turns out that the more classic claims of hoax don't logically add up as being able to reproduce the evidence, or anywhere even near it.) The book explains why a significant number of primate scientists from different fields have quietly come to regard North America, and probably other areas of the globe, to have been and still be the home of an unknown hominid. I'm about halfway through, and I'm impressed at the detail. (Details largely omitted or mocked away with what amounts to wish fulfillment by the more recent Abominable Science! (http://www.amazon.com/Abominable-Science-Origins-Nessie-Cryptids/dp/0231153201) by Loxton, Prothero and Shermer; but I'll put up a link to that, too, for anyone wanting to compare approaches. :) )
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Post by: MetalDog on October 06, 2013, 08:47:23 AM
Martok, glad to see I have a partner in dislike for Robin Hobb.  I read her Assassin trilogy and have never been more disappointed in a series than that.
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Post by: bob48 on October 06, 2013, 08:54:50 AM
I felt the same about the 'Liveship Traders' series. It was hard work to finish 'em .
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Post by: Martok on October 06, 2013, 09:55:47 AM
Martok, glad to see I have a partner in dislike for Robin Hobb.

I too am relieved to see there's at least a few of us here who feel that way.  Talk about an author who has interesting concepts/storylines, but then completely falls flat on their execution... 

 

I read her Assassin trilogy and have never been more disappointed in a series than that.

That was my introduction to her writing as well.  I forced myself to read the entire (first) trilogy, as a good friend of mine (whose taste in books *generally* coincides with my own) said he just loved it, so I held on, waiting for it to get better.  Boy was that a mistake.  :( 




I felt the same about the 'Liveship Traders' series. It was hard work to finish 'em .

I believe it.  After finishing the Assassins trilogy, I actually began reading the first Liveship Traders' novel as well.  Finally, after about 150 pages -- it took me that long to realize it was going to be more of the same s**t as before -- I went, "WTF am I doing??!" and put it down.  I've never regretted that decision. 

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Post by: Pinetree on October 07, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
Martok, glad to see I have a partner in dislike for Robin Hobb.

I too am relieved to see there's at least a few of us here who feel that way.  Talk about an author who has interesting concepts/storylines, but then completely falls flat on their execution... 

 

I read her Assassin trilogy and have never been more disappointed in a series than that.

That was my introduction to her writing as well.  I forced myself to read the entire (first) trilogy, as a good friend of mine (whose taste in books *generally* coincides with my own) said he just loved it, so I held on, waiting for it to get better.  Boy was that a mistake.  :( 




I felt the same about the 'Liveship Traders' series. It was hard work to finish 'em .

I believe it.  After finishing the Assassins trilogy, I actually began reading the first Liveship Traders' novel as well.  Finally, after about 150 pages -- it took me that long to realize it was going to be more of the same s**t as before -- I went, "WTF am I doing??!" and put it down.  I've never regretted that decision.

Her Soldier's Son trilogy is actually rather good. It's set in a more Victorian style world and the main character is really put through the ringer.
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Post by: Martok on October 08, 2013, 07:24:50 AM
That seems to be true for most of her main characters, though (being put through the ringer).  The problem -- at least for me -- is that her characters just aren't likable. 

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Post by: JasonPratt on October 08, 2013, 02:31:16 PM
Finished the 2007 book on Sasquatch science (http://www.amazon.com/Sasquatch-Legend-Meets-Science-ebook/dp/B003JH8MBA)... whew! I'm far from stupid, but a lot of the technical discussion on how bones and muscles and things fit together went waaaay over my head. That'll have to be debated by experts on forensic reconstruction (among other scientists). Still it shows that the state of the evidence is such that it can be discussed and debated at that level.

I also finished the last part of Gibson's The Perfect War: Technowar In Vietnam (http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-War-Technowar-Vietnam-Military/dp/0871137992), a book I actually started last November. (But remember I was busy reading a bunch of other books most of this year.)

Super-interesting analysis of Vietnam at many levels, but I stand by my criticism that the author (for whatever reason, possibly righteous dudgeon combined with competitiveness) failed to understand the actual thrust of Gelb and Betts' The Irony of Vietnam: The System Worked (http://www.amazon.com/Irony-Vietnam-System-Worked/dp/0815730713). Gibson thought the book was intended to be another exculpation of failure as some kind of inscrutable mystery where good men just didn't try hard enough at a mechanistic application of commercialized war 'production'; in actuality, G&B's main thesis was to appeal to public records and other primary data to test the popular notion at the time of their study that civilian policymakers had foisted an unwanted war on the American people without their consent while ignoring military advice that could have won the war. G&B find both popular notions running up against the actual primary data: the policymakers listened to military advice, and routinely implemented as much of it as they thought popular opinion of US citizens wanted (even if not always as much as the leading generals wanted.) G&B's thesis runs nicely complementary to Gibson's, not antithetical to it. Maybe Gibson scanned a few pages quickly toward the end and from a few apparently 'telling' phrases decided paragraphs written (in context) to critique policy were trying to defend and promote it. Who knows?

Anyway, I heartily recommend both books, although TWar is much more in-depth (since Gibson's scope of thesis is much broader). One of G's more provocative conclusions, reached early in his book (and which I talked about in another thread a year ago), is that since WW2 American industry has run on what effectively amounts to a wartime economy, which brought us so many short-term benefits once WW2 was over that we've become institutionally addicted to it and now find it impossible to let go, which will eventually ruin our economy. (This book was originally written back in the mid to late 80s.) As I analogized it last year, we gave the American economy a nitrous boost to gun ourselves up during WW2, but never took off the nitro, and the long-term result is that our engine is going to explode. Or, putting the analogy another way, we got over a tragedy or medical difficulty in our life by drinking tequilas every day for a while, but then when the chronic hangovers happened we solved them by drinking another tequila. In the long term that ends only one way.

There's much, MUCH more to G's book than that, however.


This interview from a public access cable channel back during the book's initial release summarizes the points pretty well in an hour and 45 minutes:




Edited to remove the other two YT links, as it's really the same interview in two parts but with excerpts from the interview as a lead-in for an extra four minutes or thereabouts. So the links were redundant after all. Sorry. :)
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Post by: Keunert on October 08, 2013, 03:43:50 PM
i am not far from stupid, i speak it fluently and have some friends and familY there too. nice place to be
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Post by: MetalDog on October 08, 2013, 08:47:19 PM
That seems to be true for most of her main characters, though (being put through the ringer).  The problem -- at least for me -- is that her characters just aren't likable.

I just always thought she hated her characters.  She didn't try all that hard to make me care about them.
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Post by: Martok on October 09, 2013, 02:19:20 AM
Incidentally, I finished Day of the Vipers yesterday (and have since begun Night of the Wolves, the second book in the Terok Nor trilogy). 

While obviously the trilogy is serious in tone overall, it does include moments of humor...including one flat-out "LOL" scene in the first book that's an homage to Star Wars:  A Bajoran pilot quotes almost verbatim Han Solo's line from A New Hope, "We're fine.  We're all fine here now, thank you...  How are you?"  Despite the fact that everything's starting to go to hell at this point in the book, I still cracked up.  :D 




That seems to be true for most of her main characters, though (being put through the ringer).  The problem -- at least for me -- is that her characters just aren't likable.

I just always thought she hated her characters.  She didn't try at all to make me care about them.

Fixed that for you.  ::)  Yeah, I agree, though. 

I think I've said it before, but I'll repeat it:  I suspect Hobb was trying to make her characters more relate-able and/or "real" by giving them obvious character flaws.  The problem is she *way* overshot the mark. 

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Post by: Mrs Darwin on October 15, 2013, 01:48:05 PM
I just finished the complete unabridged works of Nora Roberts, and now I'm on to....okay, just kidding.  Actually, I had to Google "bestselling romance authors" because I couldn't even think of the name of a trashy chick book author.  Yes, that was probably horribly sexist. 
 
Anyhow, I'm slugging my way through a book on social media marketing, and just finished Jonathan Safran Foer's Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close.
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Post by: bob48 on October 15, 2013, 01:52:14 PM
I've just started yet another Kindle Freebie - 'The Thirty Years War' by  Schiller.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on October 15, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
Sexist is a prerequisite for most of the guys on this forum. I think you'll get along fine.

I used to work in a Waldenbooks, then a BookStop, years ago - trashy romance novel readers tended to buy thirty of them at a time and burn through them in a week. How do you even tell the difference between the covers? They all look the same, with half-naked people struggling to burst out of trashy Halloween pirate costumes.

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on October 16, 2013, 06:30:56 AM
Sexist is a prerequisite for most of the guys on this forum. I think you'll get along fine.

She's Mrs. Cap'n Darwin, so she's allowed to be horribly sexist if she wants. :)
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Post by: undercovergeek on October 16, 2013, 06:38:23 AM
Sexist is a prerequisite for most of the guys on this forum. I think you'll get along fine.

She's Mrs. Cap'n Darwin, so she's allowed to be horribly sexist if she wants. :)

it feels like a kid, when youre round at your friends house and their parents come home - you have to take your feet off the sofa, stop swearing and sit politely without being rude
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Post by: BanzaiCat on October 16, 2013, 06:43:30 AM
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Post by: Gusington on October 16, 2013, 06:46:00 AM
Hahaha!

I am reading The Demonologist right now, the author's name escapes me.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on October 16, 2013, 06:50:51 AM
^ Gerard Brittle. About Ed and Lorraine Warren. I have that in my Kindle but goodness knows when I'll get to it.
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Post by: Gusington on October 16, 2013, 09:28:01 AM
No, I'm reading The Demonologist by Andrew Pyper. As far as the Warrens are (were)  concerned, they always smelled like major frauds to me. And I want to believe!
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Post by: Bison on October 16, 2013, 09:55:26 AM
The farmers almanac.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on October 16, 2013, 09:56:03 AM
There's a reeeeeallly fine line when it comes to "psychics." Most are absolute frauds. Then there's the frauds who have major networks behind them (e.g., the so-called Long Island Medium, who is the topper of all of them as far as I'm concerned).

A lot of that is fed by dummies that WANT so much to believe they can talk to their long-lost loved ones, and as long as they exist, there will be no shortage of Long Island Mediums, unfortunately.

As far as the Warrens are concerned, it's not so much their self-professed connectivity to the netherworlds that intrigues me; it's how they, in particular, got to where they were in the first place. For those that present themselves as relatively respectable 'investigators,' I'll give them the benefit of the doubt; those with annoying Jersey accents, not so much.
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Post by: Martok on October 16, 2013, 10:52:26 AM
Am about to begin Dawn of the Eagles, the third book in the Terok Nor trilogy.  I'm pleasantly surprised to discover that at least thus far, the series is about as good as I remember it to be. 

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Post by: Arctic Blast on October 16, 2013, 02:22:26 PM
The Disaster Artist by Greg Sestero. He played the role of Mark in The Room. It's a fascinating history about how he came to know Tommy Wiseau, and the making of The Room. Based on what I've read so far, I'm amazed that The Room turned out as well as it did...
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Post by: Gusington on October 16, 2013, 05:25:34 PM
So Banzai I can't figure it out from your last post...are you a fan of the Warrens?
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Post by: BanzaiCat on October 16, 2013, 06:05:57 PM
I wouldn't say fan, but I'm interested in learning more about them.

I hate to admit it, as most have strong opinions on this sort of thing, but I worked with a ghost-hunting group about 12-13 years ago, Lone Star Spirits. Might find them in a Google search, but it's been so long I don't know if they're still around or not.

I only went on a few investigations. It started because I did a project on 'ghost hunting' for a class in college back in 2000 or so. I chose the subject because it was somewhat interesting and different from usual presentations. This Lone Star Spirits group helped me out a lot with information (equipment, methodology, etc.) and I went on a few investigations with them, then again a few times after the class was over. However, I didn't stick with it because (a) it freaked me the hell out on more than a couple of occasions, and (b) I really didn't want to take the chance of taking something home with me. My son was a toddler at the time and my daughter a newborn and, well, after a few minor incidents I decided that was enough for me.

So IMO, I think there's some weird things that can be explained by science, and some things that cannot. Most of these investigations, nothing happens; sometimes you'll get an EMP spike or a cool spot but nothing that will make you pee your pants or anything. Then there's a few moments of terror that will get you good, like feeling like you're being watched by something that absolutely hates your guts, or having your ear tapped, or hearing your name being whispered when nobody else was around. Could have been my imagination working overtime in each instance, but all of that still gives me a little shiver when I think about it. I had enough.

In any case, I'm not a hardcore ghost enthusiast, but I'd like to think I've experienced enough to think yep, there's something amazingly weird and creepy in the world, and no thank you, I don't want to purposefully put myself in a situation like that again.

Most 'psychics' are frauds, especially if they're out to make money doing these things. My wife enjoys watching Long Island Medium, and that lady on the show is just like sandpaper on my skin; I can't stand the woman.

Sorry for the long explanation, but thought you might to know where I'm coming from on this. I'm aware most things can be hoaxes or have rational explanations. I'm not all that familiar with the Warrens - I'd heard of them and know some people back in the day that respected their work - so I got the book a while ago hoping to learn a little more about them.
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Post by: Gusington on October 16, 2013, 06:57:43 PM
Holy sh*t...that is fantastic.

If you are comfortable PMing I would love to hear more. I consider myself a pretty hardcore "ghost enthusiast." Part of my plan is to one day write the world's most frightening ghost story. I am sort of in your boat...I want to believe but I don't want to have my face eaten by an invisible demon.

PM me with details...I am intrigued!
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Post by: Dolan50 on October 18, 2013, 08:37:06 PM
Just watched a horror movie at my sisters house today that featured the warrens.
I came in at the last half of the movie and don't recall the name of it though.
Never been much of a horror fan except for maybe Stephen King in High School.
The only horror novel I really enjoyed was Floating Dragon by Peter Straub.
Would like to see that novel turned into a movie some day.

I read mostly and don't watch movies or TV much.
Tonight I started reading Gordon C. Rheas' The Battle for the Wilderness.
He wrote 4 books that I own about the battles that took place in Virginia during Grants 1864 campaigns ending with Cold Harbor,I'm not sure if He wrote anymore though.He is probably my favorite CW author,though Peter Cozzens writes some decent CW books also.
It's been awhile since I bought any books on the American Civil War and I still have over a hundred that I haven't really read yet since I went on a Amazon book buying spree about 5 years ago.
I'm hoping after reading these 4 books back to back that I may rekindle my interest in reading the rest of the CW books in my collection and maybe even start playing some of the CW board games I own but never played.

Hopefully,with all the holidays coming up I can find time to do a little of both.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on October 18, 2013, 08:52:21 PM
BC,

Back in college I was getting a broadcast communications degree, and while I was home for the summer I interned at the largest local TV station. I was just the guy who helped drag around the equipment (especially the portable battery packs) and set up the lights etc., nothing important. But one day while we were riding in the news van somewhere to get reel for a story, we passed a rather nondescript but abandoned little single story house, and the producer on the shoot started telling us how she had gone there a few years ago to do a ghost story report for, y'know, public interest color. I can't recall exactly what she said about the details, though I get the impression she and the exec back at the station decided not to run the story, but she was REAAAALY disturbed by things that happened and things she saw (including a dark face with glowing eyes) and heard about in that house. I could smell the fear coming off her, and feel her temperature change there in the car -- not an experience I think I've ever had before or since. I'm sure she wasn't faking it just to entertain herself, though what actually happened there who knows?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on October 20, 2013, 12:25:49 PM
Sexist is a prerequisite for most of the guys on this forum. I think you'll get along fine.

I used to work in a Waldenbooks, then a BookStop, years ago - trashy romance novel readers tended to buy thirty of them at a time and burn through them in a week. How do you even tell the difference between the covers? They all look the same, with half-naked people struggling to burst out of trashy Halloween pirate costumes.

I worked there, too! 
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Post by: Staggerwing on October 20, 2013, 12:57:01 PM
My ex-wife was a manager for a Waldenbooks from late 80s to early 90's.  :o


They all look the same, with half-naked people struggling to burst out of trashy Halloween pirate costumes.

You probably know that most of the guys in the cover paintings were based on this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Lanzoni

Quote
Fabio Lanzoni (Italian pronunciation: [ˈfaːbjo lanˈtsoːni]); born March 15, 1959),widely known simply as Fabio, is an Italian fashion model, spokesperson, and actor, who appeared on the covers of hundreds of romance novels throughout the 1980s and 1990s.

I decided against posting a picture of him in full bodice-ripper-cover glory in case it attracted certain 'undesirable elements'...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on October 20, 2013, 01:07:35 PM
or Azz as we call him
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on October 20, 2013, 05:44:29 PM
Full disclosure: at my first job out of school I answered Fabio's fan mail, as Fabio. For a year. I am not joking.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on October 20, 2013, 05:52:07 PM
So that's where your hair went! You really didn't have to put a lock of it in every response envelope just to promote the veracity of your replies.




(J/K  :D)
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Post by: Gusington on October 20, 2013, 06:35:43 PM
^I wish.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 21, 2013, 03:08:17 AM
Full disclosure: at my first job out of school I answered Fabio's fan mail, as Fabio. For a year. I am not joking.

my God I love this forum!

as an aside, this confirms that we've spoken before we met on the internet.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on October 21, 2013, 09:16:18 AM
Full disclosure: at my first job out of school I answered Fabio's fan mail, as Fabio. For a year. I am not joking.

Gus, you just made my day.  Props for sharing that little tidbit.  :D 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: mirth on October 21, 2013, 11:37:42 AM
Full disclosure: at my first job out of school I answered Fabio's fan mail, as Fabio. For a year. I am not joking.

TIL that Gus is more awesome than I ever imagined.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on October 21, 2013, 02:49:58 PM
Full disclosure: at my first job out of school I answered Fabio's fan mail, as Fabio. For a year. I am not joking.

How in the Hell did you end up with that job?!
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 21, 2013, 03:19:16 PM
are you really sure you want the answer?   :o
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on October 21, 2013, 06:37:21 PM
Bad luck! But in exchange for Fabio duty I got to sleep with my best friend's boss. For six months he was tortured more than he would have been ordinarily by hearing her sing my praises. It was awesome.
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Post by: MetalDog on October 21, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
Nothing like sticking it to your best friend...through his boss ;)
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Post by: Gusington on October 21, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
Yeah it was great :) Ah to be 22 again.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 21, 2013, 10:57:42 PM
well... pretty soon if you act half your age you can be!  ;D
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on October 22, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
Bad luck! But in exchange for Fabio duty I got to sleep with my best friend's boss. For six months he was tortured more than he would have been ordinarily by hearing her sing my praises. It was awesome.

Most excellent.  I knew there was a reason I looked up to you.  8) 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 22, 2013, 10:23:56 AM
  I knew there was a reason I looked up to you.  8)

I thought it was because youre shorter.
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Post by: Martok on October 22, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
Only in dog-years. 

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Post by: Gusington on October 22, 2013, 11:12:25 AM
 :o
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Post by: JasonPratt on October 22, 2013, 11:17:15 AM
In honor of Gus I have updated my bloated sig line.

(http://www.wargamer.com/forums/smiley/icon_respect.gif)


...not that I honored him enough to remove my pandering self-promotion, of course. Those nice buffalo-skin hardbacks with shiny dust-jackets don't sell themselves! (Or at all, really... ;) )
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on October 22, 2013, 12:48:47 PM
Wow. Well it's only right for a published author to help out a little guy. Pun intended.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Mrs Darwin on October 24, 2013, 04:31:30 PM
At the risk of going totally off-topic, I finished whatever books I'd previously been reading, and am now just about through with  the Greg Mortenson saga Three Cups of Tea.  Fascinating stuff.  Almost makes me want to pack a bag, and go off to do noble works for the good of all.  Okay, not really.  Does make me want to be a great humanitarian, though.  Or at least play one on TV.
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Post by: Martok on October 24, 2013, 06:23:51 PM
Almost finished with Dawn of the Eagles.  That should settle my Star Trek craving for a little while.  :) 


Next up:  The entries from The Case Book of Sherlock Holmes.  To my pleasant surprise, I discovered a couple days ago I had not yet finished "The Complete Works of..." omnibus edition.  Bonus! 

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Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 24, 2013, 06:56:31 PM
Im reading Bawb's diary.

this guy is such a slut!!!
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Post by: Gusington on October 25, 2013, 07:12:12 AM
Bawb needed the money.
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Post by: JasonPratt on October 25, 2013, 07:36:10 AM
Having finished "fun" reading for the next few years ;) , I'm back to "work" reading, so y'all probably won't hear much of me in this thread for a while. :(

(By "work" I mean things like Prof. Ilaria Ramelli's recently released 850 page supplement to Vigiliae Christianae, The Christian Doctrine of Apokatastasis, assessing five or six hundred years worth of patristic documents on the topic. Which is what I'm chugging through now at 85ish pages a day. I'm halfway through.)
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Post by: undercovergeek on October 25, 2013, 09:05:04 AM
wait til you get to the 'Pease Pudding Wrestling' chapter

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Post by: Gusington on October 25, 2013, 09:19:03 AM
Ha you are a fruity nut bar.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on October 25, 2013, 12:45:17 PM
wait til you get to the 'Pease Pudding Wrestling' chapter

The illustrated version is strictly limited and will cost you a small fortune!
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Post by: undercovergeek on October 25, 2013, 02:19:12 PM
wait til you get to the 'Pease Pudding Wrestling' chapter

The illustrated version is strictly limited and will cost you a small fortune!

only for the 'nekkid geordie covered in pudding' enthusiast eh?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on October 25, 2013, 02:22:52 PM
...don't knock it until you've tried it..........
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Post by: JasonPratt on October 26, 2013, 07:58:25 PM
wait til you get to the 'Pease Pudding Wrestling' chapter

The illustrated version is strictly limited and will cost you a small fortune!

Keeping in mind, the non-illustrated version already costs north of $350...!  ;)

(Not joking about the actual cost, thus why it's so funny for me to read that.  :o ;D )
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on October 27, 2013, 05:44:43 AM
wait til you get to the 'Pease Pudding Wrestling' chapter

The illustrated version is strictly limited and will cost you a small fortune!

Keeping in mind, the non-illustrated version already costs north of $350...!  ;)

(Not joking about the actual cost, thus why it's so funny for me to read that.  :o ;D )

lol - what mind altering drugs have you taken this morning Jason

what costs £350??
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on October 27, 2013, 06:11:37 AM
$350 Geek not £££, and I suspect Jason is referring to a copy of his own book, and nothing as tasteless sublime as geordies and pease pudding.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on October 27, 2013, 10:46:39 AM
Indeed, it's one of those tomes NEVER MEANT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC BUT ONLY FOR SAD ELITE SCHOLARS WITH NO LIVES THE TIME AND TALENT CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING! And also for university libraries.  :D

That book cost me ten good videogames not on sale. But an argument could be made that +$350 of pease pudding would be more immediately useful. :)

(Reference research titles of this size are regularly priced super-high due to low demand and high production costs. It's normal enough in academia, and a main reason why university libraries exist. Unfortunately, where I live, I have to build my own collection of reference materials for writing papers and other ultra-geeky tasks, although the internet helps a lot nowadays.)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Mrs Darwin on October 29, 2013, 04:41:49 PM
Finished whatever frothy romance I'd been reading, and read Fundraising Habits of Supremely Successful Boards on Saturday while the kiddos were at an event at the library, and have since started The Woman Who Fell from the Sky, which is about an American female journalist working in Yemen.
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Post by: Windigo on October 29, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Finished whatever frothy romance I'd been reading, and read Fundraising Habits of Supremely Successful Boards on Saturday while the kiddos were at an event at the library, and have since started The Woman Who Fell from the Sky, which is about an American female journalist working in Yemen.

frothy???   ???
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 29, 2013, 05:06:45 PM
tell us more....

(http://www.mmaplayground.com/forums/i/pi/667125_1.gif)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Mrs Darwin on October 29, 2013, 05:40:06 PM
1.  I was kidding.  Being ironic.  Facetious.  I tried to read a trashy romance novel once.  I actually made it halfway through, but then became bored.
 
2.  You guys really need to get out more.
 
 :-* :-*
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 29, 2013, 06:02:39 PM
I cant stop laughing.
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Post by: Gusington on October 29, 2013, 07:00:02 PM
Tell me about this 'getting out more.'
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzVXm-S0uzRMaLH9vL29ovwV4sMwIyjx2MCH18ukRANTfiYGWdlA)
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Post by: JasonPratt on October 30, 2013, 07:45:20 AM
I'm confused about this "out" of which she speaks...  ??? Can we start there before moving on to whatever "getting" "out" would mean?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 30, 2013, 08:40:43 AM
I dunno...
when someone says I need to 'get out' im often confused as to where.
sometimes I need to get out of Poland. 
sometimes I need to get out of Paris.
sometimes I really really really need to get out of Moscow.
other times I need to get out the nukes.
when I was younger I'd get out the dice.
is this what shes talking about?
woominz talk just confuses me.   ???
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Mrs Darwin on October 31, 2013, 06:30:15 PM
Y'all are silly.   ;D
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Post by: undercovergeek on November 01, 2013, 03:37:03 AM
Y'all are silly.   ;D

He's flirting..... you get used to it
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 01, 2013, 09:08:55 AM
I am not!  How dare you minimize  the Star, Mirth and Gus triangle shall not be minimuzed.
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Post by: Shelldrake on November 01, 2013, 10:55:42 AM
I just finished Ender's Game. I can't believe that I somehow missed reading this before now. Anyway, I am psyched for the movie!
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 01, 2013, 11:07:00 AM
Can you see why the movie has a great chance of following the book to the letter?
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Post by: Martok on November 01, 2013, 11:36:20 AM
Y'all are silly.   ;D

Guilty as charged!  But then if you've been reading over your husband's shoulder for any length of time on this site, I'm pretty sure you already knew that.  :P 




I just finished Ender's Game. I can't believe that I somehow missed reading this before now. Anyway, I am psyched for the movie!

Glad you liked it!  I've been debating whether I want to reread it myself before the movie comes out, although right now I'm thinking I'll hold off until after. 

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Post by: Gusington on November 01, 2013, 11:43:06 AM
I read Ender's Game when I was about 12 and don't remember it at all.
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Post by: bob48 on November 01, 2013, 01:01:40 PM
...how d'you know you read it then? ::)
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Post by: MetalDog on November 02, 2013, 08:54:01 AM
I'm thinking about digging my copy out and reading it again before I go tomorrow.
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Post by: Gusington on November 02, 2013, 06:09:22 PM
Good question Bawb. I remember picking it up at Waldenbooks. But I remember nothing about the story.

I am just about to begin Last Days by Adam Neville. He is one of my favorite up and coming authors and is allegedly the British equivalent of Stephen King.
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Post by: Bison on November 08, 2013, 07:30:24 AM
Finished The Good Soldiers, by David Finkel.  This is one of the best books I've ever read about the Iraq Conflict.  http://www.amazon.com/Good-Soldiers-David-Finkel-ebook/dp/B00305CYH4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383920901&sr=8-1&keywords=the+good+soldiers

Just started rereading Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
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Post by: Gusington on November 08, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
I've wanted to read Frankenstein forever.
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Post by: Greybriar on November 08, 2013, 10:25:48 AM
I just started reading Ender's Game. It must be an enjoyable book--I'm nearly halfway through it already.
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Post by: Bison on November 08, 2013, 10:42:53 AM
I've wanted to read Frankenstein forever.

You've never read it?  Oh my!
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 08, 2013, 10:45:06 AM
lets tell him how it ends.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 08, 2013, 10:49:01 AM
 ;D

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Post by: JasonPratt on November 08, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
lets tell him how it ends.

Rocks fall, everyone dies.

Sort of.
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Post by: Martok on November 08, 2013, 01:08:55 PM
Am  currently in the middle of my annual (semi-annual? I've kinda lost track) rereading of Fool by Christopher Moore.  Only he could turn Shakespeare's King Lear into a bawdy comedy.  ;D 

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Post by: Gusington on November 08, 2013, 01:56:48 PM
I do enjoy saying the name like 'Fraunenschtein'
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Post by: Bison on November 10, 2013, 08:25:49 PM
Catilina's Riddle: A Novel of Ancient Rome, Steven Saylor

Gordianus the Finder is one of my favorite characters.  I've said it before but he's like the Sherlock Holmes of Ancient Rome.  Good easy reading.
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Post by: Greybriar on November 11, 2013, 09:17:26 AM
Yesterday I began reading Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U.S. Navy (http://store.ussconstitutionmuseum.org/products/six-frigates-the-epic-history-of-the-founding-of-the-u-s-navy-by-ian-w-toll) by Ian W. Toll. I find it very enlightening.
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Post by: Gusington on November 11, 2013, 10:50:22 AM
^ooh I've been looking to pick that up, post your impressions. I have Toll's Pacific Crucible which I will read at some point over the winter.
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Post by: Martok on November 12, 2013, 08:47:50 AM
Am rereading another Turtledove novel, In the Presence of Mine Enemies.  It requires a somewhat greater suspension of disbelief than others of his books, but still enjoyable. 




Catilina's Riddle: A Novel of Ancient Rome, Steven Saylor

Gordianus the Finder is one of my favorite characters.  I've said it before but he's like the Sherlock Holmes of Ancient Rome.  Good easy reading.

Yeah, I remember you mentioning him before.  Is there any particular book in the series you'd recommend to a newcomer? 

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Post by: Bison on November 13, 2013, 03:25:24 AM
Am rereading another Turtledove novel, In the Presence of Mine Enemies.  It requires a somewhat greater suspension of disbelief than others of his books, but still enjoyable. 




Catilina's Riddle: A Novel of Ancient Rome, Steven Saylor

Gordianus the Finder is one of my favorite characters.  I've said it before but he's like the Sherlock Holmes of Ancient Rome.  Good easy reading.

Yeah, I remember you mentioning him before.  Is there any particular book in the series you'd recommend to a newcomer?


Roman Blood is this first book in the Roma Sub Rosa series. 

http://www.amazon.com/Roman-Blood-Gordianus-Finder-1-ebook/dp/B003J5652U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384338290&sr=8-1&keywords=ROMAN+BLOOD
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Post by: Martok on November 13, 2013, 08:03:51 AM
Thanks Bison

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Post by: Gusington on November 20, 2013, 07:25:51 PM
About to start "In the Shadow of Empires: The Historic Vlad Dracula, the Events that He Shaped and the Events that Shaped Him" by someone named Sir Jens.
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Post by: Steelgrave on November 20, 2013, 11:14:47 PM
Here is a great visual for how absolutely ruthless George R.R.Martin is. Every bookmark is a death in his series.  ;D

(http://i0.wp.com/www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/got-death.jpg?resize=625%2C354)


(although it could be argued that this season of Sons of Anarchy is even bloodier)  8)
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 20, 2013, 11:35:43 PM
There are billions killed every time she swallows.
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Post by: Greybriar on November 21, 2013, 04:42:40 AM
Here is a great visual for how absolutely ruthless George R.R.Martin is. Every bookmark is a death in his series....
Even what I thought were Martin's lead characters aren't spared in his books. After spending a lot of time developing characters that won their way into the hearts of the readers, Martin would kill them off.
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Post by: Martok on November 21, 2013, 06:07:32 AM
Here is a great visual for how absolutely ruthless George R.R.Martin is. Every bookmark is a death in his series....
Even what I thought were Martin's lead characters aren't spared in his books. After spending a lot of time developing characters that won their way into the hearts of the readers, Martin would kill them off.

David Weber is somewhat guilty of this as well, albeit to a lesser extent.  At least he only kills off characters now & then -- infrequently enough that you feel the impact of their deaths.  With Martin, the deaths come so thick and fast you start to become numb to them. 

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Post by: MetalDog on November 21, 2013, 07:50:18 PM
I was sooooooooo disappointed with A Dance With Dragons.
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Post by: Bison on November 21, 2013, 08:16:13 PM
I was sooooooooo disappointed with A Dance With Dragons.

Yeah it is not the best book in the series.  I have hopes that it's primary job was to set up a lot of background and plot lines for the next book. 
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Post by: MetalDog on November 21, 2013, 09:55:47 PM
I figured that's what it was trying to do.  My probem is that he didn't seem to tell it all too well.  Slow pacing, almost fanatical (for him) devotion to three characters storyline and making Tyrion into a pig racer.  WTF?!?!??!  His LiveJournal blog constantly referred to the, 'Myreneese knot.'  After reading the book, I see that he was trying to bring major players together, I just think it was poorly told.
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Post by: Gusington on November 23, 2013, 10:12:11 AM
Started reading "1913: In Search of the World Before the Great War" by Charles Emmerson. 50 pages in and its an awesome read. Think "The Proud Tower" by Tuchmann.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 27, 2013, 09:01:31 AM
NEW YORK (AFP) - The first book written in what is today the United States of America fetched $14.2 million in New York, becoming the world's most expensive printed book sold at auction.


The translation of Biblical psalms "The Bay Psalm Book" was printed by Puritan settlers in Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1640 and sold at a one-lot auction in just minutes by Sotheby's Tuesday.


Bidding opened at $6 million and closed swiftly at a hammer price of $12.5 million, rising to $14.165 million once the buyer's premium was incorporated.


The book, with its browning pages and gilt edges, was displayed in a glass case behind the auctioneer to a relatively small crowd which attended the less than five-minute auction in person.


The settlers, who came to America to seek religious freedom, had set about making their own preferred translation from the Hebrew original of the Old Testament book after arriving from Europe.


Sotheby's named the buyer as David Rubenstein, the billionaire American financier and philanthropist. He was in Australia and his bid was conducted by telephone.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on November 27, 2013, 09:48:45 AM
From something that old, you could get Psalmonella poisoning.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 27, 2013, 09:55:31 AM
well played sir.

well played.
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Post by: JasonPratt on November 27, 2013, 08:58:12 PM
I actually own a 3rd edition of a book originally published in the early 1700s by one of Oliver Cromwell's chaplains; the reprint was about the time of the American Revolution, and some soldier on one side or other may have had it with him because there are old blood stains on the pages. I bought the pages from an antique dealer in North Carolina, and had it sent to a rebinding specialist in Oklahoma (who has done work for clients all over the world, up to and including the Vatican); they rebound it in a cover and design of a type similar to how it would have been bound in during the late 1700s.

I sure didn't pay 14million for it (more like $140 total), but I like to show it to people sometimes. :) A soldier may have died with that book in his ruck or in a pocket of his jacket, reading it at night (or maybe bugging his fellows by reading it to them. ;D It's about God saving all sinners from sin someday, not only some. Not exactly a precept of Cromwell. ;) The guy who wrote it must have had stones the density of neutron stars...)
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Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on November 30, 2013, 11:29:53 PM
I got the Everyman's Library edition of Clausewitz On War. That is the Paret version with extra stuff. 8)

It should help me develop my strategy game idea.
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Post by: Greybriar on December 05, 2013, 04:52:54 PM
I am currently reading Citizen Soldiers by Stephen E. Ambrose.
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Post by: eyebiter on December 05, 2013, 05:35:10 PM
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Post by: BanzaiCat on December 05, 2013, 05:51:44 PM
I finally got back to a little Ender's Game, to the part where Bonzo gets into the fight with Ender in the bathroom. Then I thought, "WTF," since I've already seen the movie. He was paralyzed in the film, but in the book he was dead. Why would they make a change like that? Certainly to not NOT offend or frighten children - for crying out loud, my son's English class already read it this semester.
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Post by: MetalDog on December 05, 2013, 07:24:47 PM
Hollywood amazes me with its passive aggressive desire to be edgy and not offend anyone all the same time.  Play to the biggest audience.  We know best what everyone wants.
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Post by: bob48 on December 06, 2013, 09:56:53 AM
^....and a sinister midget, with a bucket and mop, where the blood goes down the drain..........

I love that track!
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Post by: Gusington on December 06, 2013, 01:07:27 PM
Who me?
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Post by: bob48 on December 06, 2013, 01:18:41 PM
Who me?

Nah. You're not......sinister.........
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Post by: Gusington on December 06, 2013, 01:23:55 PM
Right now I am.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on December 06, 2013, 01:44:06 PM
the Minister of Sinister?
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Post by: bob48 on December 06, 2013, 01:53:39 PM
The sister of a minister?

..must put some new batteries in this hearing aid......
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Post by: BanzaiCat on December 06, 2013, 02:42:20 PM
Ear now, watch that kinda talk.

Don't want you to start to wax nostalgic.
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Post by: bob48 on December 06, 2013, 02:43:26 PM
Ear now, watch that kinda talk.

Don't want you to start to wax nostalgic.

I've never waxed my nose-hair.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on December 06, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
ok Rapunzel.
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Post by: Greybriar on December 15, 2013, 06:34:32 AM
I am currently reading Brothers in Battle, Best of Friends by William Guarnere and Edward Heffron with Robyn Post.
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Post by: Gusington on December 15, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
Reading The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914 by Christopher Clark, the same author who wrote Iron Kingdom: The Rise and Fall of Prussia, 1600-1947.
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Post by: undercovergeek on December 15, 2013, 11:18:58 AM
im reading Mailce

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15750692-malice

i was told its GoT for those who have run out of GoT - unfortunately its my current toilet book, so gets maybe a 15 page hit at a time, not enough to get immerssed but what ive read so far (page 100 or so) ive enjoyed very much - will move it to the bedside table
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Post by: Gusington on December 30, 2013, 04:41:11 PM
Finished The Sleepwalkers (turned out to be excellent) and am going to start Ostkrieg: Hitler's War of Extermination in the East by Stephen Fritz. He wrote Frontsoldaten...which I also want to read.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on December 30, 2013, 05:16:35 PM
Frontsoldaten is a very good read.
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Post by: Gusington on December 30, 2013, 06:00:31 PM
Yeah a lot of people love that book. Hoping Ostkrieg is high quality...haven't read anything on WWII eastern front since college.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on December 30, 2013, 06:20:26 PM
Yeah a lot of people love that book. Hoping Ostkrieg is high quality...haven't read anything on WWII eastern front since college.

 :o

there is really something wrong with you.
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Post by: undercovergeek on December 30, 2013, 07:17:04 PM
stormbird by conn iggulden - does to the war of the roses what beevor did for ww2
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Post by: Gusington on December 30, 2013, 09:33:52 PM
^Have you read any of his books on Ghengis Khan?
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on December 30, 2013, 10:07:06 PM
you ought to be reading this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51X40206HPL.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/Hells-Gate-Battle-Cherkassy-January-February/dp/0965758435

hasnt read Eastern Front books.... FFS!

(http://972mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/181148-triple_facepalm_super.jpg)
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Post by: Toonces on December 31, 2013, 12:26:38 AM
I'm reading a book called Vlad: The Last Confession by C.C. Humphreys.  I am really digging it so far, about 1/3 through.

http://www.amazon.com/Vlad-Last-Confession-C-C-Humphreys-ebook/dp/B004TTS2LM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388474739&sr=8-1&keywords=vlad
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Post by: undercovergeek on December 31, 2013, 02:06:37 AM
^Have you read any of his books on Ghengis Khan?

I haven't Gus, but my dad thought they were awesome, its him the put me onto the roses book
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Post by: Gusington on December 31, 2013, 09:33:58 AM
^I've been wanting to read his Mongol stuff for a long time. And Toonces that Vlad title looks great...post your impressions if you have time.

Star I haven't read a lot on WWII at all because I had my Gramps around for so long. Until recently it felt like family stories more than 'history' you know what I mean? I've always been more interested in WWI because I never knew anyone who lived through it, unlike WWII.

Anyway, Ostkrieg so far is a solid read, I'm about 50 pages in.
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Post by: MetalDog on December 31, 2013, 03:06:15 PM
'I Want My MTV: The Uncensored Story Of the Music Video Revolution,' by Craig Marks and Rob Tannenbaum.  Of especial interest, I would think, to grogs of a certain age, who, like me, couldn't wait for school to be over so I could go home and watch MTV.  Waiting for any number of videos with hot chicks to get your blood boiling.  Such as:


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Post by: TheCommandTent on December 31, 2013, 03:43:01 PM
The Civil War: A Narrative by Shelby Foote.  Ok well maybe I haven't exactly starting reading it at the moment, but I got the three books for Christmas and the box set is currently sitting on top of my pile of books to be read just daring me to find the time to read them....
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Post by: Martok on January 01, 2014, 12:01:44 PM
I've just begun rereading A Mighty Fortress by David Weber, the 4th book in his Safehold series.  I'm trying to time things so that the next Safehold novel Like a Mighty Army comes out before I finish Book 6.  :) 




The Civil War: A Narrative by Shelby Foote.  Ok well maybe I haven't exactly starting reading it at the moment, but I got the three books for Christmas and the box set is currently sitting on top of my pile of books to be read just daring me to find the time to read them....

Very cool, Tent.  I know others here have recommended it, and it's already on my "must get around to reading at some point (just not this second)" list. 

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Post by: Toonces on January 02, 2014, 11:06:40 PM
And Toonces that Vlad title looks great...post your impressions if you have time.


I finished Vlad up today.  It's not an excessively long book.  I really enjoyed it.  I didn't know too much about Vlad the Impaler, so this was all new info to me.  It's historical fiction in that the author based the book on the known facts of Vlad's life, but of course filled things out and took some liberties to make an interesting story.  It moves fairly quickly and is straightforward enough to follow.  It's pretty violent.  I didn't think the writing was quite as epic as Guy Gavriel Kay, but it was definitely good writing.

I give it two thumbs up.  I don't know that I'd necessarily buy it- it's not a story I can see reading more than once- but if you can find it at the library or borrow it for your Kindle (which is what I did) then I say it's definitely worth a read.

I've now moved onto a book I bought last summer called Lords of Misrule by Nigel Tranter, part of the Stewart Trilogy (history of Scotland).  I finished his Bruce Trilogy a while back and really enjoyed it.
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Post by: Gusington on January 03, 2014, 03:26:46 PM
^Thanks man. I'm getting it for free with a gift card, along with Conn Iggulden's book on Kublai Khan and another title to be named later, something either on the Picts, the Druids or Celts...not sure which yet.
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Post by: undercovergeek on January 03, 2014, 03:51:50 PM
^Thanks man. I'm getting it for free with a gift card, along with Conn Iggulden's book on Kublai Khan and another title to be named later, something either on the Picts, the Druids or Celts...not sure which yet.

i see some Rome II homework
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Post by: undercovergeek on January 03, 2014, 03:58:10 PM
Starting on Tom Clancy's Debt of Honour - read it a couple of times but i want to take some of the battles from there - saipan and guam, the bomb run on the Japanese dams and the comanche attacks on the awacs vehicles and create them in Command
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Post by: Toonces on January 03, 2014, 04:08:12 PM
Gus-
I don't know that Vlad is buy-worthy.  It only took me about 3 days to read.  And like I said, it's not a story you'll want to read multiple times like Game of Thrones or The Stand or something.  The story is very one-dimensional.
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Post by: Gusington on January 03, 2014, 04:42:19 PM
^I'm a big Vlad fan...have lots of fiction and history on him and his life and times. Eventually, one day I want to write my own bit on him.

For me it is worth it to buy and keep it forever and I can chalk it up to 'research.'
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Post by: bob48 on January 03, 2014, 05:04:46 PM
Starting on Tom Clancy's Debt of Honour - read it a couple of times but i want to take some of the battles from there - saipan and guam, the bomb run on the Japanese dams and the comanche attacks on the awacs vehicles and create them in Command

Not a bad book at all. I enjoyed all his earlier stuff. Without Remorse is a good 'un.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 03, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
Last week I grabbed several titles, including

- 1913: The Eve of War
- Raid on Truman
- Letters of Lt. Col. George Brenton Laurie
- Hitler's Last Secretary

...and several other 'free' books. I'm reading each of them off and on.

Still need to get through Ender's Game, dammit.
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Post by: Toonces on January 03, 2014, 06:00:24 PM
Ok, then, Gus.  You'll have to post YOUR impressions when you're done, then.

And Banzai, you didn't nail the avatar this time dude.  Sorry.   :(   8)
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Post by: Gusington on January 03, 2014, 06:02:24 PM
^Shirley.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 03, 2014, 06:04:27 PM
Ok, then, Gus.  You'll have to post YOUR impressions when you're done, then.

And Banzai, you didn't nail the avatar this time dude.  Sorry.   :(   8)

I know.  :-[

I was playing around with it on my iPad last week and it's not quite as impressive as I first thought it was.
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Post by: Staggerwing on January 03, 2014, 06:21:20 PM
What the Hel is it?
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Post by: undercovergeek on January 03, 2014, 06:43:41 PM
Something from flash Gordon in the background - the foreground.... Fk knows!
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Post by: Bison on January 03, 2014, 07:06:12 PM
What is wrong with you people?  That is a classic clip from Flash Gordon.  Toward the very beginning of the movie, Flash is in Ming's court and grabs a football like object and uses it to beat up Ming's guards in an impromptu game of football.  That is the Hawkmen leader who secretly clubs one of Ming's guards in an attempt to help Flash embarrass Ming.  Good grief and you all call yourselves geeks and nerds.  Pah'leaze!
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 03, 2014, 07:09:48 PM
What is wrong with you people?  That is a classic clip from Flash Gordon.  Toward the very beginning of the movie, Flash is in Ming's court and grabs a football like object and uses it to beat up Ming's guards in an impromptu game of football.  That is the Hawkmen leader who secretly clubs one of Ming's guards in an attempt to help Flash embarrass Ming.  Good grief and you all call yourselves geeks and nerds.  Pah'leaze!

Go, Bison, Go!  8)

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Post by: undercovergeek on January 03, 2014, 07:14:24 PM
This thread and the bad movies one has shown there is an upper class of geek that doesn't watch crap films! :p
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 03, 2014, 07:34:47 PM
Excuse me...did you say "crap film" when referring to Flash Gordon?

You forgot to add the word "brilliant" to that. Or "awesome" if you feel like being a Yank about it.
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Post by: Bison on January 03, 2014, 08:02:38 PM
The next thing to happen better not be someone being uninformed about another freaking classic:  Ice Pirates.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 03, 2014, 08:06:12 PM
Space Herpes!

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Post by: MetalDog on January 03, 2014, 10:17:43 PM
I thought the avatar was SWEET!  Flash is one of my favorite movies!  Top Ten for sure.  And I may be one of the few people on Earth who had the soundtrack album and listened to the whole thing.  Repeatedly.
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Post by: Toonces on January 04, 2014, 12:08:35 AM
I like when people keep their avatars consistent, though, like Jarhead with the gun theme, me with the Simpsons, Mirth with Bill Murray, etc.  Banzai always had some sort of Japanese cat, which I thought was pretty cool.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 04, 2014, 07:57:55 AM
I thought the avatar was SWEET!  Flash is one of my favorite movies!  Top Ten for sure.  And I may be one of the few people on Earth who had the soundtrack album and listened to the whole thing.  Repeatedly.

I have the CD in my car and listen to it every now and then. I have to hide it from my daughter, otherwise that would be the ONLY music she'd want to listen to. She does love Queen, so I've managed to do something right in raising her.  8)
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 04, 2014, 08:04:10 AM
you call your car the War Rocket Ajax dont you?
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Post by: MetalDog on January 04, 2014, 08:09:39 AM
I thought the avatar was SWEET!  Flash is one of my favorite movies!  Top Ten for sure.  And I may be one of the few people on Earth who had the soundtrack album and listened to the whole thing.  Repeatedly.

I have the CD in my car and listen to it every now and then. I have to hide it from my daughter, otherwise that would be the ONLY music she'd want to listen to. She does love Queen, so I've managed to do something right in raising her.  8)

My daughter is a big Queen fan, too.  Although, I do not own the soundtrack CD, so she doesn't know what she is missing.  :(
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 04, 2014, 09:19:17 AM
you call your car the War Rocket Ajax dont you?

Yes. Yes, I could do that. Well played, sir.

It beats the name "Clifford The Big Red Dog" that my wife calls my car:

(http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r624/MichaelE6/car.jpg)
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 04, 2014, 11:11:41 AM
please tell me that isnt the RS.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 04, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
It's a lower-end, admittedly. I couldn't sink any more cash in it when I bought it (September 2012). Next one will hopefully be a top-line one. I love this car.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 04, 2014, 11:22:20 AM
theres inexpensive things that could be done to that car.  8)
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Post by: republic on January 04, 2014, 05:59:06 PM
I've decided to return and see what Jack and Stephen have gotten themselves into again...

Currently reading the book "Far Side of the World"



(http://britlitahoy.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/master_and_commander.jpg)
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Post by: bob48 on January 05, 2014, 05:05:02 AM
I have all the O'Brian books (20, plus the unfinished 21st) and have read them multiple times. I don't usually like historical fiction, but they are so well done, and so full of period flavour that its easy to suspend belief. What helps is many of the situations are based around historical events.
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Post by: republic on January 05, 2014, 06:13:09 AM
I'm doing the audible version narrated by Patrick Tull.  It is the best narration I've ever experienced.  You can tell that Tull loves the series and gives all the characters a distinct voice and is excellent with Jack's personality.
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Post by: endfire79 on January 05, 2014, 09:08:58 AM
Death Traps: The Survival of an American Armored Division in World War II [Mass Market Paperback] by Cooper

Armoured Thunderbolt by Zaloga

Great read so far and Coopers is particularly interesting.
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Post by: republic on January 05, 2014, 09:44:15 AM
Death Traps: The Survival of an American Armored Division in World War II [Mass Market Paperback] by Cooper

Armoured Thunderbolt by Zaloga

Great read so far and Coopers is particularly interesting.

Death Traps was very revealing, there were lots of little bits of info I had never heard before.
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Post by: Staggerwing on January 05, 2014, 09:47:17 AM
^Added to my list. Armored Thunderbolt is already on my real bookshelf as well as my Kindle shelf. It was a good read and a very interesting look into the forerunners of the M4.
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Post by: Pinetree on January 06, 2014, 01:26:32 AM
I'm into the third book of the Red Gambit series by Colin Gee. A very well written alternate history of World War III set in 1945-47 where the
Soviets attack the Western Allies. Far better than anything by Turtledove; well paced, the combat is extremely brutal and the characters are quite well fleshed out. I like how the armies seem to follow their respective historical doctrines until circumstances force realistic changes. The author is also a wargamer so there a lot of maps (unfortunately not very clear on the Kindle, but he's made them available on his website) and the oobs seem correct. The series has been getting great reviews on Amazon and I'm enjoying them immensely.
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Post by: ComradeP on January 06, 2014, 11:30:39 AM
Recreational:

Italy's Sorrow - a year of war 1944-1945 by James Holland.

and

Carthage must be destroyed by Richard Miles

Scenario work:

The Korsun Pocket - The encirclement and breakout of a German army in the East,  1944 by Niklas Zetterling and Anders Frankson.
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Post by: Gusington on January 06, 2014, 11:46:41 AM
How is Carthage Must Be Destroyed? I have that in the queue.
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Post by: ComradeP on January 06, 2014, 08:21:08 PM
More detailed than expected, as it also covers the early history of Carthage and many other Phoenician settlements.

I thought it would be primarily about the wars with Rome and events leading up to that, but it offers interesting information on Carthage's early history as well. The Dutch title of the translated version would translate to "Carthage - Rise and fall of a city" which is an accurate description of what the book is about.
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Post by: Gusington on January 07, 2014, 06:45:47 AM
Sounds good, thanks. Will fill in a big hole in my personal knowledge of that area and era.
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Post by: Gusington on January 17, 2014, 06:09:36 PM
Just finished Ostkrieg by Fritz...excellent book. Now about to start Imperial Governor by George Shipway, a novel on Boudicca's revolt against Rome
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Post by: MetalDog on January 18, 2014, 08:26:43 AM
Y'all are some ambitious mofos.  I'm doing some light reading.  'Life', by Keith Richards.  Never was a Stones fan, but, I like Keith better than Mick.
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Post by: Gusington on January 18, 2014, 10:15:30 AM
^I love the Stones. How's 'Life'?
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Post by: Arctic Blast on January 18, 2014, 04:31:59 PM
^I love the Stones. How's 'Life'?

I read it at some point and really liked it. Definitely worth a read if you're a Stones fan.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 18, 2014, 04:44:45 PM
I like the Stones; not a huge fan but I like 'em. I'll put this book on my list.

I'm interested in rock and roll history, too, like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Led-Zeppelin-Crashed-Here-Landmarks/dp/1595800182

This is a GREAT book.
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Post by: Gusington on January 18, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
^I'm sure there's a couple of chapters in there covering the er...shark/fish story...right?
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 18, 2014, 04:56:20 PM
You mean when Led Zep was shoving shark parts into certain areas of a young lady? I don't think it is. That's kinda gross, I don't want to see where that happened. :P

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Post by: Gusington on January 18, 2014, 07:00:55 PM
Liar.
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Post by: MetalDog on January 18, 2014, 07:09:47 PM
Seattle, B_C.  The Edgewater Inn.  The Vanilla Fudge have Super 8 of it.

@Gus: I liked it.  Keith told it in small episodes within chapters, loosely organized. 
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Post by: Gusington on January 19, 2014, 05:05:23 PM
^YES! Dog knows his rock.

Sounds like a good book on Keith Richards. I'd imagine he has some of the best stories in rock history to tell.
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Post by: MetalDog on January 19, 2014, 06:04:53 PM
He likes knives and guns.  And heroin.  Lots and lots of heroin.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 19, 2014, 06:15:25 PM
Huh. I don't recall that story. I'll have to re-read the book, it's been a little while. Thing is, the book is not just about Led Zep; it has lots of stories from different bands and artists in there.

Oh! Almost forgot to say this. I read Ozzy's autobiography this past summer, I Am Ozzy. That book is ALL kinds of brilliant. If you want to know something about his upbringing and how he got in with Black Sabbath, this book should be in your library right now. It was highly engaging and kept me hooked through the end.
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Post by: MetalDog on January 19, 2014, 06:41:36 PM
Hate to stick you out in public, B_C, but, Keith Richards is the guitar player from the Rolling Stones.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 19, 2014, 06:46:00 PM
Hate to stick you out in public, B_C, but, Keith Richards is the guitar player from the Rolling Stones.

MD, I KNOW that.  :P I misunderstood the first shark fish thing, I thought he was asking about the Led Zep book I posted the link for.

Keith Richards is living proof that Egyptian mummies walk among us.
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Post by: MetalDog on January 19, 2014, 06:49:40 PM
He is a bit, 'Walking Dead,' isn't he?  No, the mud shark incident is pretty famous.  And according to a Frank Zappa song, the vanilla Fudge were present and recorded the whole affair on Super 8.  Not sure I would actually want to see the footage, but I sure would like to possess the film :)
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Post by: JasonPratt on January 20, 2014, 07:06:09 AM
Just started on the Thousand Mile War book (recommended way above in the thread) on the Alaskan WW2 campaign, after finishing The Genesis of Science, a warts-and-all-but-respectful look at how the early through late medieval period picked up Greco-Roman studies and developed them (sometimes in hilariously wrong ways by our standards, but at least they were trying. :) )

Have started re-reading the updated Kindle version of The Complete History of Jack the Ripper, but it hasn't been that long since I read the original 1990s edition and (naturally) not much has changed (and what did change has been basically covered in a new introduction), so I may move on to something else soon.
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Post by: WallysWorld on January 20, 2014, 08:48:51 AM
Working on Hugh Thomas' tome on "The Spanish Civil War". Still in the build up to the civil war part of the book. Thomas goes into great detail about the different political parties in Spain during the Republic.
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Post by: Gusington on January 20, 2014, 10:23:15 AM
I would definitely want to watch the footage, with Keith Richards watching next to me.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 20, 2014, 10:36:23 AM
I would definitely want to watch the footage, with Keith Richards watching next to me.

Gusington: the Grogheads' Dexter.
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Post by: Gusington on January 20, 2014, 10:41:51 AM
Amongst other issues. Like dwarfism and a libido run amok.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 20, 2014, 10:53:19 AM
I meant it as a compliment.

Although dwarves are pretty awesome as is a libido (as long as the 'better half' plays along).
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 20, 2014, 10:58:04 AM
Im reading Gus's diary.
most interesting.  while Ive used the turkey baster before hes quite creative in its applications.
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Post by: Gusington on January 20, 2014, 10:59:13 AM
I am nothing if not creative.
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 20, 2014, 11:15:55 AM
but aveeno in the baster was a stroke of genius!
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 20, 2014, 11:51:47 AM
Did you get to the 4girls1cup part? Gus started it before there was a 2/1.

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Post by: undercovergeek on January 20, 2014, 12:01:24 PM
Did you get to the 4girls1cup part? Gus started it before there was a 2/1.

Somewhere out there is 'Randy dwarf shitting in a bucket' long before all this 2 girls nonsense

A pioneer of porn is our Gus
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Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 20, 2014, 01:12:07 PM
I thought it was 4girls1Gus.
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Post by: BanzaiCat on January 20, 2014, 01:14:05 PM
I thought it was 4girls1Gus.

That's...actually quite a bit more disturbing than what I said.
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Post by: Gusington on January 20, 2014, 01:31:56 PM
^I enjoyed it.
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Post by: Greybriar on January 21, 2014, 07:55:39 AM
I am currently reading A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole. It is definitely a change of pace from what I have been accustomed to.
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Post by: airboy on January 21, 2014, 02:47:11 PM
I am currently reading A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole. It is definitely a change of pace from what I have been accustomed to.

How has this held up over time?  I've considered reading this, but never have.
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Post by: Greybriar on January 21, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
I am currently reading A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole. It is definitely a change of pace from what I have been accustomed to.

How has this held up over time?  I've considered reading this, but never have.

I had never read the book before. But I would guess that it would mean more to someone who had lived through the period in which it was set than anyone much younger. Those unfamiliar with some of the terminology and phraseology would have to research some things to fully comprehend just what the author is referring to, not to mention the New Orleans-ese (http://www.gumbopages.com/yatspeak.html)  local language used in the book that could very well be a challenge for many of its readers. But the characters the author has created make the book well worth the read if nothing else. All in all I am enjoying the book.
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Post by: Windigo on January 23, 2014, 01:38:31 PM
Amongst other issues. Like dwarfism and a libido run amok.

since your visible bodyparts seem in proportion you cannot claim dwarfism as your label....  I would suggest something more accurate  like "you're just fucking short"

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Post by: Grimnirsson on January 23, 2014, 01:56:25 PM
Currently reading on my Kindle A Man In Full by Tom Wolfe  - enjoying it a lot :)
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Post by: Gusington on January 23, 2014, 05:29:42 PM
That's so dull Breezy. Come on. Now.
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Post by: Toonces on January 24, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
A Man in Full is a fantastic book.  I've read it two or three times.  I may even read it again- it's been a few years.

I'm currently a bit scattered in my reading, working my way through Six Days in June about the Six Day War, The Art of War: Medieval Warfare, and a book by the guy who wrote Vlad called A Place Called Armageddon, that is really good so far- better than Vlad- about the siege of Constantinople. 
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Post by: Gusington on January 25, 2014, 11:28:59 AM
^I just took delivery of Vlad, got it for .01. A Place Called Armageddon eh?

*amazons*
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Post by: Toonces on January 25, 2014, 12:17:58 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Place-Called-Armageddon-Constantinople-1453/dp/1402280858/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390677295&sr=1-1&keywords=a+place+called+armageddon

To the Greeks who love it, it is Constantinople. To the Turks who covet it, the Red Apple. Safe behind its magnificent walls, the city was once the heart of the vast Byzantine empire. 1453. The empire has shrunk to what lies within those now-crumbling walls. A relic. Yet for one man, Constantinople is the stepping stone to destiny. Mehmet II is twenty when he is annointed Sultan. Now, seeking Allah's will and Man's glory, he brings an army of one hundred thousand, outnumbering the defenders ten to one. He has also brings something new to the city - the most deadly threat the ancient walls have ever faced. And yet, through seven weeks of sea battles, night battles, by tunnel and tower, the defence holds, and will until the final assault and a single bullet that will change history. But a city is more than stone, its fate inseparable from that of its people. Men like Gregoras, a mercenary and exile, returning to the hated place he once loved. Like his twin and betrayer, the subtle diplomat, Theon. Like Sofia, loved by two brothers but forced to make a desperate choice between them. And Leilah, a powerful mystic and assassin, seeking her own destiny in the flames. This is the tale of one of history's greatest battles for one of the world's most extraordinary places. This is the story of people, from peasant to emperor - with the city's fate, and theirs, undecided...until the moment the Red Apple falls.

"By Liviu C. Suciu on July 25, 2011
Format: Hardcover
INTRODUCTION: C.C. Humphreys came to my attention with "Vlad: The Last Confession"; despite my deep misgivings about it being another stupid rehashing of the myth of Dracula, the novel was actually very well researched and offered maybe the best English language portrait of the real-life Vlad the Impaler and his lifelong fight against the Turks without glossing over his darker impulses, but without any Dracula nonsense either.

So when not that long ago, I found out about Mr. Humphreys' new offering "A Place Called Armageddon" about the siege of Constantinople in 1453, the novel became the number one expected non-sff of mine in 2011 and I bought it the first moment I could and read it asap. Ultra high expectations and what can I say: the author not only delivered but surpassed them and I will explain why next.

Before continuing, I would add two things: despite being a very well researched and reasonably accurate historical novel, "A Place Called Armageddon" is also brimming with the fantastic - there are prophecies, mystic books, alchemists and fortune tellers and while it is a stretch to call the novel speculative fiction, it should greatly appeal to sff lovers for those elements and the superb world building the authors manages in the book's almost 500 pages.

There a lot of nice touches in the novel that tie-in with "Vlad: The Last Confession" including recounting of some earlier events there and a prophecy about one of the main characters here that we know how it will be fulfilled in the earlier book. Of course the structure of the two books is very different since "A Place Called Armageddon" is about a moment in historical time, so it essentially takes place over some weeks with a prologue a year before and an epilogue years later, while "Vlad: The Last Confession" takes place over decades, so there is no particular order in which to read the two novels...."
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Post by: Toonces on January 25, 2014, 12:29:20 PM
I have a LOT of trouble finding decent fiction books that will hold my attention.  So, when I find an author who's book I really enjoy I seem to have a habit of sticking with that author for a while, eg. Guy Gavriel Kay.

So far Humphreys is doing well.  I'm also fond of Nigel Tranter, although his writing always starts to get tiresome by 3/4 of the way through a book.  I just got book 2 of the Stewart trilogy in the mail, so that's queued up after I finish Armageddon. 
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Post by: Gusington on January 26, 2014, 10:28:14 AM
How far are you into Armageddon?
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Post by: Toonces on January 26, 2014, 12:29:48 PM
About 1/3. 
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Post by: Greybriar on January 28, 2014, 05:22:30 PM
Tonight I will begin reading Malice (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/malice-john-gwynne/1113855388?ean=9780316399739) by John Gwynne.
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Post by: undercovergeek on January 28, 2014, 06:23:29 PM
Tonight I will begin reading Malice (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/malice-john-gwynne/1113855388?ean=9780316399739) by John Gwynne.

Highly recommended
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Post by: Staggerwing on January 28, 2014, 06:56:08 PM
I'm reading a couple of Barry Cunliffe's books concurrently: 'Britain Begins' (http://www.amazon.com/Britain-Begins-Barry-Cunliffe-ebook/dp/B008YU1H1E/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1390960285&sr=1-1) and 'The Extraordinary Voyage of Pytheas the Greek (http://www.amazon.com/Extraordinary-Voyage-Pytheas-Greek-Discovered/dp/0713995092/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=&qid=)'. One of them on Kindle and one in hardcover.

The first book does bring up one of the drawbacks to the smaller e-ink readers such as my Paperwhite: the maps and photographs are just too small and muddy looking despite the greater degree of greyscale available over older readers. Occasionally I have to pull out my iPad and sync up to a particular page in the kindle app just so I can get a better look at a distribution map or the ancient lines of a hill fort or something.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on February 07, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
I've been playing Levée En Masse off and on (on my iPhone) recently, and marveling at how in some simple game mechanics it captures the flavor of the crazy years of the French Republic up to Napoleon; and Mom just finished plowing slowly but steadily through The Barbarian Conversion which serves as a history of the Dark Ages (from context before the fall of Rome up through the start of the Norman conquests in Britain) from a perspective of religious politics.

Consequently she's looking for something new soon, and I was reminded I don't have a good book yet on the political and strategic ferment of the Republic vs Pretty Much All Of Freaking Europe Including Itself. ;) While she likes medieval history, I have plenty more of that already and she's tired of that already; and I recently picked up a similar political/strategic book on WW1 (thanks to a recommendation upthread) which she'll probably want to read, too, but a history of the pre-Nappy/Nappy Wars (World Wars Minus One and Zero basically  8) ) seems like a good idea.

Any recommendations?

Note: given a choice between the two related topics, I'd prefer the insane complexity of the pre-Nappy Republic's struggle myself, since after all Napoleon's whole raison d'existence or however it's said in French was basically to solve all that).
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Steelgrave on February 07, 2014, 04:09:15 PM
"Red Country" by Joe Abercrombie, the latest in the "The Blade Itself" series. Excellent, as usual.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61fHN4Ht6xL._SY344_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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Post by: undercovergeek on February 07, 2014, 04:37:08 PM
"Red Country" by Joe Abercrombie, the latest in the "The Blade Itself" series. Excellent, as usual.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61fHN4Ht6xL._SY344_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

is this still the same story of the guy that has uncontrolable rage?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Steelgrave on February 07, 2014, 04:50:51 PM
It is the same series, yes. But of course Logan Ninefingers was just one of the ensemble....although his story was the most compelling.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: undercovergeek on February 07, 2014, 04:56:08 PM
It is the same series, yes. But of course Logan Ninefingers was just one of the ensemble....although his story was the most compelling.

ive read the first 3 books of law - i didnt know there were any more - dammit, where are my amazon vouchers?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Steelgrave on February 07, 2014, 09:01:45 PM
The first three follow the same cast and storyline. After that, some folks you "know" will make appearances. I don't want to give anything away, but "Red Country" is (so far) focusing on one of the "mains", much to my delight.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on February 12, 2014, 11:26:49 AM
Am in the middle of my annual re-reading of Gates of Fire by Steven Pressfield.  Man, I so dearly wish the movie 300 had been based on this instead of that crap by Frank Miller... 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on February 17, 2014, 07:34:41 PM
Just finished Under A Graveyard Moon.  It was pretty good.  Haven't picked up the sequel yet.  I not sure I like Ringo's writing style.  It's a little hard to follow at times. 

Tomorrow, David Webers Like A Mighty Army comes out.  It's the next installment of the Safehold series. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on February 17, 2014, 07:43:38 PM
^Thanks for the reminder. I thought I'd preordered but I'll check to be sure. Also, Weber's (and Eric Flint's) next installment in the 'Crown of Slaves' series (based in the Honorverse) titled 'Cauldren of Ghosts' is due out in April.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on February 19, 2014, 04:14:54 AM
So I went to my "local" Barnes and Noble (it's almost an hour's drive from home) to *finally* pick up the last three Wheel of Time novels (now that they're all available in paperback)...and of course, they only had A Memory of Light in stock.  >:(  So I had to order the other two, and wait for them to be shipped to my house. 

I hate waiting. 




Tomorrow, David Webers Like A Mighty Army comes out.  It's the next installment of the Safehold series.

I just picked up my reserved copy today (well, yesterday now).  I've already begun reading it.  ;D 




Also, Weber's (and Eric Flint's) next installment in the 'Crown of Slaves' series (based in the Honorverse) titled 'Cauldren of Ghosts' is due out in April.

Yep, that one's definitely on my "going to get" list as well. 

I have to admit, though, that I'm even more excited for the next "Shadows" book that comes out (whenever that may be).  Can't wait to see what happens when Honor's pals kick over that hornet's nest... 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on February 19, 2014, 04:47:24 AM
IIRC, Admiral Mike has already kicked the nest and wiped out some of the hornets. We're just waiting for the biggest nests who just heard about it to get over their "WTF?!" and respond in true force.

When is the next book in that series due out? I haven't heard anything yet.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on February 19, 2014, 10:00:28 AM
Martok, I was quite happy with my Kindle versions of the WoT books.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on February 19, 2014, 12:17:06 PM
Martok, I was quite happy with my Kindle versions of the WoT books.

I read all the hardback editions of the Wheel of Time series free, courtesy of my local library. 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on February 19, 2014, 01:01:11 PM
Martok, I was quite happy with my Kindle versions of the WoT books.

I read all the hardback editions of the Wheel of Time series free, courtesy of my local library.

WHAT WITCHERY IS THIS!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on February 19, 2014, 01:17:24 PM
IIRC, Admiral Mike has already kicked the nest and wiped out some of the hornets. We're just waiting for the biggest nests who just heard about it to get over their "WTF?!" and respond in true force.

I'm tempted to nit-pick here and point out what you said isn't quite accurate (at least as I'd read things), but I can't really comment further without spoiling stuff.  :P 



When is the next book in that series due out? I haven't heard anything yet.

No idea.  As far as I'm aware, he hasn't even announced a title yet.  I would guess 2016, but that's pure speculation on my part. 




Martok, I was quite happy with my Kindle versions of the WoT books.

I read all the hardback editions of the Wheel of Time series free, courtesy of my local library. 

I'm only ordering the paperback versions since I already own the rest of the series in paperback.  I like to have complete collections when possible.  8) 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on February 19, 2014, 05:04:50 PM
WoT would be a series I owned in hardcover if at all possible.  Same with Martin's Ice and Fire series.  The paperbacks are just too hard on the eyes and the hands.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on February 19, 2014, 05:41:10 PM
IIRC, Admiral Mike has already kicked the nest and wiped out some of the hornets. We're just waiting for the biggest nests who just heard about it to get over their "WTF?!" and respond in true force.

I'm tempted to nit-pick here and point out what you said isn't quite accurate (at least as I'd read things), but I can't really comment further without spoiling stuff.  :P 

I'll have to re-read it then. You're probably correct as my memory is now less like a swiss watch and more like swiss cheese.

I've actually been thinking of gradually picking up all the books in hardcover as a kind of keepsake. The earlier ones are a bit cheaper now and I did buy at least 3 of the later ones in hardcover already. Also, I think it was truly classy for Baen Books to include the CD of many of their works in multiple ebook formats inside a bunch of their hardcovers. I don't think they do it anymore but I still give them kudos for trying it.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on February 19, 2014, 09:23:21 PM
I just started reading Bitter Glory: Poland and Its Fate 1918-1939 by Richard M. Watt.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on February 20, 2014, 05:36:45 AM
I've actually been thinking of gradually picking up all the books in hardcover as a kind of keepsake. The earlier ones are a bit cheaper now and I did buy at least 3 of the later ones in hardcover already.

I'm contemplating this as well.  In fact, for most of the books in the series, I already own the hardcover editions.  The only copies I own that are paperback-only are books 2-5 in the mainline series, book 1 in the Shadows series, and the 2 Torch novels that have come out so far. 




Also, I think it was truly classy for Baen Books to include the CD of many of their works in multiple ebook formats inside a bunch of their hardcovers. I don't think they do it anymore but I still give them kudos for trying it.

+1  I really like that they did that. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on February 20, 2014, 08:27:39 AM
I'm finishing up the book (from way upthread) on the Thousand-Mile War in the Aleutians; and as a huge change of pace (in a way) have started Simonson's epic late 80s run on Marvel's Mighty Thor. (It's the Omnibus collection, which arrived in a tome well over one thousand pages bound in a classy black and gold hardback -- rather like my own novel which tickles me immensely!  ;D But the book is so heavy I hurt my left hand trying to hold it!)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: airboy on February 20, 2014, 08:38:54 AM
Just finished Under A Graveyard Moon.  It was pretty good.  Haven't picked up the sequel yet.  I not sure I like Ringo's writing style.  It's a little hard to follow at times. 

Tomorrow, David Webers Like A Mighty Army comes out.  It's the next installment of the Safehold series.

Grogheads had a review of Under a Graveyard Sky.
Next in the series has been released: To Sail a Darkling Sea.  Grogheads review will appear early next month.
http://www.amazon.com/Sail-Darkling-Black-Tide-Rising-ebook/dp/B00HW1TV8W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1392910680&sr=8-2&keywords=on+a+darkling+sea

I recommend waiting to read the grogheads review before buying "Darkling Sea"
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on February 20, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
Just finished Under A Graveyard Moon.  It was pretty good.  Haven't picked up the sequel yet.  I not sure I like Ringo's writing style.  It's a little hard to follow at times. 

Tomorrow, David Webers Like A Mighty Army comes out.  It's the next installment of the Safehold series.

Grogheads had a review of Under a Graveyard Sky.
Next in the series has been released: To Sail a Darkling Sea.  Grogheads review will appear early next month.
http://www.amazon.com/Sail-Darkling-Black-Tide-Rising-ebook/dp/B00HW1TV8W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1392910680&sr=8-2&keywords=on+a+darkling+sea

I recommend waiting to read the grogheads review before buying "Darkling Sea"

It's because of your that review that I purchased it.  ;)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on February 20, 2014, 04:06:35 PM
IIRC, Admiral Mike has already kicked the nest and wiped out some of the hornets. We're just waiting for the biggest nests who just heard about it to get over their "WTF?!" and respond in true force.

I'm tempted to nit-pick here and point out what you said isn't quite accurate (at least as I'd read things), but I can't really comment further without spoiling stuff.  :P 

I'll have to re-read it then. You're probably correct as my memory is now less like a swiss watch and more like swiss cheese.

I thought Staggerwing's description was pretty right on. 

I like the Shadows story line a lot better at this time.  However, am I the only one that is getting bored with the same old, DD's take out SD's because the SL is so far behind tech and it's leadership is a bunch of morons? 
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on February 20, 2014, 04:44:38 PM
However, am I the only one that is getting bored with the same old, DD's take out SD's because the SL is so far behind tech and it's leadership is a bunch of morons? 

That may be why Weber introduced a certain turn of events a few books back that pretty much knocked the Star Empire of Manticore back on it's ass and required Admiral Harrington's 'Only Nixon could go to China' initiative.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: OJsDad on February 20, 2014, 07:49:20 PM
However, am I the only one that is getting bored with the same old, DD's take out SD's because the SL is so far behind tech and it's leadership is a bunch of morons? 

That may be why Weber introduced a certain turn of events a few books back that pretty much knocked the Star Empire of Manticore back on it's ass and required Admiral Harrington's 'Only Nixon could go to China' initiative.

He explains a lot of what happened at the beginning of Storm From The Shadows in the Authors Note.   If you haven't read it yet, you should.  Here is a key piece of it;

Quote
Some of my readers who have spoken to me at conventions know that Honor was supposed to be killed in At All Costs under my version of what Mentor of Arisia used to refer to as his "visualization of the cosmic all." I always knew that killing Honor would have been a high-risk move, and that many readers of the series would have been very angry with me, but at the time I'd organized the timeline of Honor's life—that is, before I'd even begun On Basilisk Station—I hadn't really anticipated the fierce loyalty of the readership she was going to generate. Nor, for that matter, had I fully realized just how fond I was going to become of the character. Nonetheless, I remained steadfastly determined (my wife Sharon will tell you that I can sometimes be just a tad stubborn) to hew to my original plan. The fact that I'd always visualized Honor as being based on Horatio Nelson only reinforced my determination, since the Battle of Manticore was supposed to be the equivalent of his Battle of Trafalgar. Like Nelson, Honor had been supposed to fall in battle at the moment of victory in the climactic battle which saved the Star Kingdom of Manticore and ratified her as the Royal Manticoran Navy's greatest heroine.
At the same time, however, I had always intended to continue writing books in the "Honorverse." The great challenge of the later books was supposed to emerge about twenty-five or thirty years after Honor's death, and the primary viewpoint characters would have been her children, Raoul and Katherine. Unfortunately—or fortunately, depending upon your viewpoint—Eric Flint screwed up my original timetable when he introduced the character of Victor Cachat and asked me for an enemy which Manticoran and Havenite secret agents could agree to fight as allies, despite the fact that their star nations were at war. I suggested Manpower, which worked very well for Eric's story. But, especially when I incorporated Eric's characters into the mainstream novels, and when Eric and I decided to do Crown of Slaves, it also pulled the entire storyline forward by two or three decades. Which meant I wasn't going to have time to kill Honor off and get her children grown up before the Manpower challenge hit Manticore.
I wasn't precisely heartbroken when I realized I no longer had any choice about granting Honor a reprieve. Not only did I think her fans would be less likely to come looking for me with pitchforks and ropes, but the closer I'd come to actually killing her, the less and less I'd liked the thought myself.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on February 20, 2014, 07:50:24 PM
Just chiming in as I always do when I finish one book and move on to another. About to start The Eagle Has Fallen by Brian Young, about the disappearance of Rome's 9th Legion in Britain.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on February 20, 2014, 08:20:18 PM
I've been playing a bunch of WOFF, so I decided it was time, once and for all, to figure out what the heck happened in WW1.

Thus, I've started reading A World Undone by G.L. Martin.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on February 20, 2014, 09:59:36 PM
have you read Castles of Steel?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on February 20, 2014, 11:00:28 PM
Negative, Ghostrider.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on February 21, 2014, 12:54:37 AM
thats one of the WW1 classics.  very easy to read and a wealth of information on the naval/political aspect of the war.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on February 21, 2014, 06:17:02 AM
Read Dreadnought first, also by Robert Massie. And while you're at it, read his Peter the Great book...two of my all time favorites.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Airborne Rifles on February 21, 2014, 06:34:36 AM
Read Dreadnought first, also by Robert Massie. And while you're at it, read his Peter the Great book...two of my all time favorites.

+1
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Staggerwing on February 21, 2014, 03:13:56 PM
Read Dreadnought first, also by Robert Massie. And while you're at it, read his Peter the Great book...two of my all time favorites.

+1

+1+1

That's the way to do it. Dreadnought has a whole lotta WW1 backstory as well as lots of insight into the English and German Naval politics at the turn of the 20th Century.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on February 21, 2014, 06:33:29 PM
Awesome book, Dreadnought. Probably one of my top 10, maybe even top 5.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 08, 2014, 11:30:37 AM
Well, I've begun my "Great Work" at last: 


Having purchased The Gathering Storm, The Towers of Midnight, and A Memory of Light (now that all three are out in paperback), I am rereading the entire Wheel of Time series from beginning to end -- straight. 

I haven't bothered with the math, but I know I have to plow through a minimum of 15,000 pages.  Given how my reading has slowed in the last decade or so, I'm honestly uncertain as to whether I'll get through the entire series before the end of the year -- I probably will, but I'm not about to blithely assume that's going to be the case! 


Pray for me, brothers.  I have a long journey ahead of me... 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on March 08, 2014, 12:12:27 PM
^ Nice!

I burned out on WW1 pretty quickly.  I think I hit about the same point in World Undone that I got to last time when I put the book down and didn't pick it back up!

For my upcoming trip I'm bringing Musashi, A Place Called Armageddon on my Kindle, and that Yom Kippur book posted below, also on my Kindle.  And I also have about 70 other books on my Kindle, but those are the three I'm actually actively reading.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 08, 2014, 01:25:09 PM
^Even I get burned out on WWI and it's my favorite historical era. I think it's because it gets really depressing sometimes.

I just finished The Eagle Has Fallen by Brian Young which was unfortunately kinda disappointing, told totally from the Roman point of view with bad dialogue and almost no insight into Celtic culture. And it has great reviews on Amazon! I hate that.

Onward and upward...about to start In the Shadow of Empires: The Historic Vlad Dracula by Sir Jens and then Vlad: The Last Confession by CC Humprheys, recommended by Toonces.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on March 08, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
....I am rereading the entire Wheel of Time series from beginning to end -- straight....

Oh my God! That's may be even worse than the guy who claims that George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire novels are published so far apart that he rereads all the books in the A Song of Ice and Fire series each time a new book in the series is published.

I'll pray for you, Martok.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on March 08, 2014, 06:53:26 PM
I always knew there was something a little off about Martok.  Now I know what it is ;)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: skeptical.platypus on March 08, 2014, 09:01:30 PM
I returned to Lucifer's Hammer after about a decade to get the bad taste of a couple of apocalypse/post-apocalypse failures. Damn, that's a fine novel.

I am currently reading Kim Stanley Robinson's 2312, on rumors that he had returned to Mars form. Can't say for sure. It started really, really slow, but thankfully has gotten more interesting. He does appear to have returned to the vision he's previously shown. I will likely take on his Shaman next; after that I have a handful of nebula and hugo nominees from the past couple of years that I'm not familiar with queued up.

I'm still rather shaken up by Iain Banks' passing.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: bob48 on March 09, 2014, 07:14:48 AM
I just picked up 'Kursk, Hitler's Gamble 1943' by Walter.S.Dunn. Jr. Not started it yet, though.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 09, 2014, 07:53:26 AM
....I am rereading the entire Wheel of Time series from beginning to end -- straight....

Oh my God! That's may be even worse than the guy who claims that George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire novels are published so far apart that he rereads all the books in the A Song of Ice and Fire series each time a new book in the series is published.

Heh.  In fact, that's kind of why I'm rereading the entire WoT series.  I would reread it whenever a new novel was released -- I pretty much had to, as so much had transpired in the previous novels that I would've been hopelessly lost if I had simply jumped into the newest book "cold". 

However, getting through books 7-10 really wore me down.  Mercifully, Knife of Dreams was released in paperback soon enough after I finished book 10 that I didn't have to reread the series yet again (and even more mercifully, KoD moved quickly and wasn't a slog).  However, by that point, I had already decided I wasn't going to reread the series for the umpteenth time unless & until it was actually finished.  And since all the other books I owned were the paperback edition -- and I'm OCD :P -- I refused to buy the Sanderson novels until they were available in paperback as well. 

What this boils down to is that I didn't purchase/read Knife of Dreams (book 11) until early 2007.  Therefore, given the aforementioned stipulations I'd forced myself to adhere to, it's now been a full seven years since I last read WoT.  And given the large cast of characters and absurd number of interweaving storylines, I knew I was going to have no choice but to start at the beginning again.  ::) 



I'll pray for you, Martok.

LOL!  Thanks Greybriar.  I could probably use the help.  ;) 




I always knew there was something a little off about Martok.  Now I know what it is ;)

A lifelong fascination with musical theater?  ;D 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 09, 2014, 09:27:46 AM
^Give my regards to Broadway.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: WallysWorld on March 09, 2014, 10:03:42 AM
Finally finished Hugh Thomas' tome on the Spanish Civil War (http://www.amazon.com/The-Spanish-Civil-War-Paperbacks/dp/0375755152/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394381003&sr=8-1&keywords=hugh+thomas+spanish+civil+war).

A very good read with exceptional details on the politics of the conflict and behind the front lines.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on March 09, 2014, 11:59:46 AM
....I am rereading the entire Wheel of Time series from beginning to end -- straight....

Oh my God! That's may be even worse than the guy who claims that George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire novels are published so far apart that he rereads all the books in the A Song of Ice and Fire series each time a new book in the series is published.

I'll pray for you, Martok.

Ha! I've got a friend who re-read the entire Wheel of Time series every time a new book came out. He's just a bit of a fan...
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 09, 2014, 03:05:41 PM
Ha! I've got a friend who re-read the entire Wheel of Time series every time a new book came out. He's just a bit of a fan...

If he did that for when books 7-10 were released as well (especially Winter's Heart and Crossroads of Twilight -- dear gods, those two took forever to get through), then I'm afraid he may have crossed the line from "fan" to "masochist".  :P 

Don't get me wrong:  I truly do love the series, warts and all, and books 1-6 plus 11 (Knife of Dreams) are a joy to read.  But to reread the series just for books 7-10 simply isn't worth it -- not by themselves.  You only read those four books so that you can get to books 11-14 (as I am now).  Would that I could travel into the past and warn myself of that...  ::) 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Arctic Blast on March 09, 2014, 06:56:26 PM
Ha! I've got a friend who re-read the entire Wheel of Time series every time a new book came out. He's just a bit of a fan...

If he did that for when books 7-10 were released as well (especially Winter's Heart and Crossroads of Twilight -- dear gods, those two took forever to get through), then I'm afraid he may have crossed the line from "fan" to "masochist".  :P 

Don't get me wrong:  I truly do love the series, warts and all, and books 1-6 plus 11 (Knife of Dreams) are a joy to read.  But to reread the series just for books 7-10 simply isn't worth it -- not by themselves.  You only read those four books so that you can get to books 11-14 (as I am now).  Would that I could travel into the past and warn myself of that...  ::)

Yep, that's exactly what he did. So when book 14 came out, he re-read 1-13 first.

He's kind of insane.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on March 09, 2014, 08:37:43 PM
Just chiming in as I always do when I finish one book and move on to another. About to start The Eagle Has Fallen by Brian Young, about the disappearance of Rome's 9th Legion in Britain.

There was a movie about that. Guy goes across England and Scotland to find the eagle, then fights his way back to the Roman frontier.

The Eagle
201114A1hr 54m

Average of 559,228 ratings:                            3.6 stars


Haunted by the disappearance of his father, who vanished with the Roman Ninth Legion on an expedition into the north of Britain, centurion Marcus Aquila sets out to unravel the mystery and recover the legion's eagle standard.

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Eagle/70130141?sod=search-autocomplete (http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_Eagle/70130141?sod=search-autocomplete)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 10, 2014, 07:05:54 AM
Thanks! I know what I'll be doing later.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on March 10, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
....I am rereading the entire Wheel of Time series from beginning to end -- straight....

Oh my God! That's may be even worse than the guy who claims that George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire novels are published so far apart that he rereads all the books in the A Song of Ice and Fire series each time a new book in the series is published.

I'll pray for you, Martok.


Heh, I did the same thing myself last year; there are reports waaaay back upthread for my impressions on the 'slog' as I reached those books again, and then for the unread books as I reached them. (Thus inspiring Martok to put room on his schedule for the remaining books himself.)


Martok, for what it's worth I can 100% guarantee that despite the nods to LotR in the first book, Sanderson and/or RJ doesn't pull out any giant spiders toward the end. :)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 10, 2014, 12:24:39 PM

Yep, that's exactly what he did. So when book 14 came out, he re-read 1-13 first.

He's kind of insane.

LOL!  Well I'm a little nuts too.  :P 

That being, said, I wouldn't bother rereading the first eleven books again if I had a better memory for all the details in them.  For better or worse, though, I *don't* have a better memory, and so I must go back and start from the beginning; I'd be hopelessly lost otherwise, and well do I know it! 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 10, 2014, 06:53:45 PM
Shadow of Empires: The Historic Vlad Dracula by Sir Jens also not so good. It's more like a pamphlet written by non native English speaker :/ and took me a day and a half to read, which is lightning speed for me. If anyone is remotely interested please don't buy it, I will ship it to you.

Going to try Stoker's Manuscript by Royce Prouty before the Vlad: Last Confessions book by CC Humphreys.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: skeptical.platypus on March 10, 2014, 08:12:23 PM
Under a Graveyard Sky is flat out bad. The overall plot has some wings, which keeps you aloft through the first quarter; possibly through the fall of NYC, but the latter half is composed almost entirely of boat clearing. This is not particularly interesting after the first, and setting up a series of small clearings that seem to exist only to remind readers that bullets ricochet does not lead to a climax when a much bigger boat should be cleared.

Hands down the worst part is the characterization. There isn't any. The characters are nothing more than archetypes of Hyper Competence nicely carved out so there is something sort of to do for each family member, although it's unclear now that the wife even exists. She may be mentioned after NYC, I don't recall. There may be one entire genuine moment for the characters in the whole novel -- when the Hyper Competent Combat Daughter is pissed off that the Hyper Competent Scientist Daughter is mistaken for being the zombie killer.

The true protagonist is the Hyper Competent Combat Daughter, and unfortunately, Ringo forces her to have two types of interactions -- with zombies, and with adult males who are invariable surprised, doubtful, and then gushing because of her competence. We are supposed to be amused with this about every 50 pages or so. It's a mildly interesting gag when she complains about not wearing enough body armor and weapons when the family first travels through NYC. It's already boring as hell when we have to wade through the inevitable security check where she produces one weapon after another to everyone's surprise. But wait -- it's original! This time it's a teenaged girl!

By the time we get to the description of the sub coxswain rolling on the deck laughing (iirc, literally) at the HCC daughter saying mean things to zombies while shooting them, and telling his captain, "you have to hear this," Ringo has passed "lazy," collected his $200, and gone straight to insulting his audience's intelligence.

Finally, the combat is dreary, and perhaps even less fleshed out than the characters. Ringo obviously had a few set pieces in mind -- these are the only scenes in the novel that have any color and depth. The Last Concert is NYC is an example of this. However, the combat after is literally just a series of "You take the left, I'm on the right." "Reloading!" comments, with tactical descriptions like, there were too many zombies in that direction, so they kept moving the other, and various ways of mentioning that the zombies kept coming from unpredictable directions.

This is carried out throughout the novel. Very very little tension. No tactical overview beyond "boats have narrow passageways." Zombies come when you make noise, but sometimes they are slow, so you wait after you've killed a few. Descriptions of engagements that go little beyond "she shot one, and then another one when it came around a corner." There is some talk about personal weaponry, armaments, and ammo, but I can't imagine enough even for fetishists.

If this is anything remotely like his other works, Ringo is not an author I'm interested in reading.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 11, 2014, 09:31:50 AM
So I'm now a dozen or so chapters into the first WoT novel, Eye of the World.   I have to admit that while I'm aware some folks really struggle with it -- the most common critique is they find the pacing to be rather glacial -- I'm just not having that problem myself (happily!).  Maybe I'm just a sucker for good world-building (which IMO this book does in spades). 




Martok, for what it's worth I can 100% guarantee that despite the nods to LotR in the first book, Sanderson and/or RJ doesn't pull out any giant spiders toward the end. :)

I can't tell you how relieved that makes me.  8) 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on March 11, 2014, 05:37:45 PM
Martok, my frustration with WoT is definitiely the glacial pacing.  Having said that, I didn't mind the first four or five books.  I was interested in the characters, the plot, the world, all of it.  I just figured he would pick up the pace eventually.  Then I got to book 8 and then 9 and if anything, it just got worse.  That's when I said, "Fuc* it!  I'm out."  I certainly wish you good luck in getting through all 1400 books.  AND retaining your sanity ;)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 11, 2014, 06:45:13 PM
Martok, my frustration with WoT is definitiely the glacial pacing.  Having said that, I didn't mind the first four or five books.  I was interested in the characters, the plot, the world, all of it.  I just figured he would pick up the pace eventually.  Then I got to book 8 and then 9 and if anything, it just got worse.  That's when I said, "Fuc* it!  I'm out."  I certainly wish you good luck in getting through all 1400 books.  AND retaining your sanity ;)

Heh, thanks.  :) 

I certainly don't blame you for giving up when you did.  I actually found the pacing in books 7 & 8 (Crown of Swords and Path of Daggers) to be tolerable enough, but it's not hard to see why it was too much for a lot of folks. 

In contrast,  Winter's Heart and Crossroads of Twilight are indeed absolutely tedious.  It was only the knowledge that Knife of Dreams picked up the pace again (and pretty dramatically so) that gave me the impetus to keep on slogging through to the other side.  Personally, I believe only the most hardcore/masochistic fans could be said to truly enjoy those two.  ::) 


I can honestly say that I feel KoD is worth getting to.  However, it's difficult to truly believe that when you're in the midst of the almost-brutal slog of WH and CoT one must endure to make it to that point. 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on March 11, 2014, 09:17:12 PM
Im still slogging through Mirths diary.
My God the mans fixation with soy beans knows no bounds.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: JasonPratt on March 12, 2014, 06:53:27 AM
Martok,

Seeing as how I haven't yet condensed books 6-8 and 9-10 into two books (which from some early experiments trimming Lord of Chaos I think could be very feasibly done without losing any meat and even keeping some fat), may I suggest Leigh Butler's WOT catchup notes at Tor.com when you get to WH and CoT?
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Toonces on March 15, 2014, 01:01:14 PM
I finished A Place Called Armageddon during my trip last week.  That book was fantastic- I highly recommend it.  I enjoyed it more than Vlad, although Vlad was quite good as well.

Also, Lucifer's Hammer was great.  I read that about 6 years ago.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Greybriar on March 17, 2014, 02:16:57 AM
I am currently reading Black Jack Logan by Gary Ecelbarger.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Martok on March 21, 2014, 06:03:03 AM
My sojourn through The Wheel of Time continues.  I finished The Eye of the World earlier this morning, and have now begun The Great Hunt

Right now, I'm predicting it will take me around 30 weeks to read the entire series.  It wouldn't take so long if I were able to maintain my current pace, but I know things are going to slow down significantly once I hit books 7-8 (and especially 9-10). 

Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 21, 2014, 08:23:14 PM
Just about to start The Sino-French Naval War (1884-1885) by Piotr Olender.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on March 22, 2014, 01:29:47 AM
Just about to start The Sino-French Naval War (1884-1885) by Piotr Olender.

That's pretty...specialized there, Gus.  I knew Europe & the U.S. dabbled in China.  Hadn't realized 1) that China had a navy with which to carry on a campaign against the French and 2) that anyone would be that specific in their desire to research that or 3) that anyone ELSE would buy it!  ;)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on March 22, 2014, 03:27:28 AM
one sees the world differently when you 3 feet tall.  ;)
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: Gusington on March 22, 2014, 08:47:56 AM
^3' 1" with heels.

Late 19th century has always been one of my favorite eras. Sino-French may be a little misleading. What this book is really about is France's entry into Vietnam.

And the Chinese were not totally pathetic until the 20th century, after the late 1890s when the Japanese schooled them in modern naval tech.
Title: Re: What are we reading?
Post by: MetalDog on March 22, 2014, 09:23:26 AM
^3' 1" with heels.

Late 19th century has always been one of my favorite eras. Sino-French may be a little misleading. What this book is really about is France's entry into Vietnam.

And the Chinese were not totally pathetic until the 20th century, after the late 1890s when the Japanese schooled them in modern naval tech.

What dim knowledge of that time and place that resides in memory concurs with that statement.  I just hadn't remembered any mention of a Chinese fleet.  Then again, I am hopelessly lost about all things naval or air.  Neither holds any interest for me.  (Must be why I am shite in those areas in any game I play that models them.)