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Title: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: al_infierno on September 03, 2019, 10:22:55 AM
https://www.wargamer.com/articles/cmano-2-command-modern-operations/
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Con on September 03, 2019, 01:27:34 PM
https://www.wargamer.com/articles/cmano-2-command-modern-operations/
Well this just went to the top of my must have list
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: al_infierno on September 03, 2019, 01:49:27 PM
^ Seriously, if it's what it sounds like -- CMANO including land combat -- it will be solidly in my top-3 most anticipated games, along with Steel Tigers and Second Front.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: CJReich46 on September 03, 2019, 01:52:53 PM
Dang.

So....does the  older one drop in price now?
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: gregb41352 on September 03, 2019, 03:02:00 PM
Looks amazing.  And as good as CMANO is.........
Wonder what they're gonna charge for this....nevermind
the optional 3-D component.  Could be quite pricey.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 03, 2019, 03:34:19 PM
I knew this would happen when I just purchased on the remaining DLC In a sale this year:)
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Thomasew on September 03, 2019, 04:19:38 PM
Hi,

Looks good .. :)

According to info on the forums, ..

There will be an upgrade price for existing CMANO owners .. :)

CMANO DLC and Scenarios will be compatible with CMO .. :)


Cheers
Tom
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 03, 2019, 04:21:20 PM
Hi,

Looks good .. :)

According to info on the forums, ..

There will be an upgrade price for existing CMANO owners .. :)

CMANO DLC and Scenarios will be compatible with CMO .. :)


Cheers
Tom

Thats great news....
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Con on September 03, 2019, 04:42:38 PM
I like the comment on the youtube video if Herman has arrived yet.... :D
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: jomni on September 03, 2019, 05:49:58 PM
Wonder if all old scenarios and dlc are supported.
Money down the drain?

Though I haven’t had time to play all of them in the original version.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 03, 2019, 05:58:49 PM
snippet from matrix

Just to answer some of the common questions

* All CMANO scenarios can be loaded in to CMO, so you will to play all your existing scenarios. The aim is to have CMO recognise your installed DLC for CMANO so all the content you already bought will just appear in CMO, assuming we can iron out all the technical wrinkles to make that happen!
* All base game scenarios from CMANO are being updated to add support for new features and generally improve them in CMO.
* CMO uses a new file format so while you can load up CMANO scenarios on CMO, you wont be able to take CMO scenarios back to CMANO.
* There will be a significant incentive for players who want to upgrade from CMANO to CMO, so you will not be paying the full price if you already own CMANO. Details TBD.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: al_infierno on September 03, 2019, 08:10:03 PM
 <:-)
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: MetalDog on September 03, 2019, 08:38:05 PM
I like the comment on the youtube video if Herman has arrived yet.... :D

One of the most lol things I've read on the internet today!  >:D
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on September 04, 2019, 01:49:58 AM
Dang.

So....does the  older one drop in price now?

Is 70% off OK ?  (only 24 hours left)  https://www.fanatical.com/en/game/command-modern-air-naval-operations-woty
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: MikeGER on September 04, 2019, 03:11:09 AM
cant wait so see some ingame video footage of the land combat :)

and how major roads and rivers effect the movement/pathfinding
and the resolution of the underlaying terrain elevation grid     
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Yskonyn on September 04, 2019, 05:54:47 AM
As I already own Tacview Pro for use with DCS I am curious to see how the CMO battles will be visualized. Neat feature!

Last thing on the want list is multiplayer then. 😜
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Hofstadter on September 04, 2019, 06:26:21 AM
Heck yeah now I can be befuddled with tanks
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on September 04, 2019, 07:06:09 AM
As I already own Tacview Pro for use with DCS I am curious to see how the CMO battles will be visualized.

Crowded.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: MrsWargamer on September 04, 2019, 07:13:29 AM
Just a bit too real for me. I want my war games to look like games and not this real.

But that's just me, and a reflection of my past.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Sir Slash on September 04, 2019, 08:55:40 AM
I don't like modern warfare games, but this looks good enough I may start.  O0
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: RommelFox on September 04, 2019, 10:09:58 AM
I still haven't figured out the first one!   :hide:

These sound like great improvements! 

Looks like you can use the existing scenarios in the new version.

I wonder how significant the discount will be for owners of the original?
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: ArizonaTank on September 04, 2019, 11:27:38 AM
Looks like land combat will be modeled as well. Or did I get that wrong?
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: IICptMillerII on September 04, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
Its safe to say that I am stupidly excited for this release. I love CMANO, and I've always hoped that we would some day get some type of 3D representation of the battlefield. Not just because it looks pretty, but because sometimes its hard to fully understand what you're seeing on the screen. Looking at a 3D battlespace from a 2D top-down perspective can be disorienting sometimes. ("Why aren't my planes shooting at the enemy plane? They're right on top of each other!") For me, the TacView integration is worth the price of admission alone. All of the new/improved features look great too. I just hope it releases sooner rather than later!
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: al_infierno on September 05, 2019, 11:00:08 AM
Looks like land combat will be modeled as well. Or did I get that wrong?

I think we're more or less assuming that based on the dropping of "Air/Naval" from the title  :buck2:
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Daroc on September 05, 2019, 05:22:10 PM
Hi,
Haven't posted in long time mostly life took over and no gaming as such.
This however will be a day 1 along with tacview as soon as it becomes available.
I can't wait loved the visuals in Harpoon from along time ago and Jane's wasn't a good game had a lot of bugs.
My pursuits changed to airbrushing and wooding carving (with power arh arh).   
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Con on September 07, 2019, 06:17:06 AM
I am not familiar with Tacview at all but looking at online videos of how it integrates with flight simulators it seems like a great idea.  I would love to see if it is a similar integration with Command (ie maneuvering and weapons launches).
Hopefully CMO releases a video with this feature soon.

Con
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on September 28, 2019, 10:06:04 AM
CMO developers interview: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4948
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: gabeeg on September 28, 2019, 12:43:30 PM
The feature list is giving me a war game boner.  Immediate buy.
I really appreciate their "game first, simulation second" mentality (and I trust them that they really mean "game first, simulation firstish" :)
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Apocalypse 31 on September 28, 2019, 02:30:46 PM
Quote
Speaking of new terrain types, we noticed that the announcement references improvements in ground operations. We also saw some screenshots with high-res maps with roads and similar infrastructures. Can you elaborate on what’s in store for digital grunts in CMO?

The answer to this first requires, I think, a prologue of sorts.

People sometimes ask us (or wonder aloud) on public fora “when will CMANO get ground ops”. I think this question starts off on the wrong foot. Who is the arbiter of this? What are the criteria? Command v1.x already has ground ops, limited as they are. Call of Duty has ground ops. Medal of Honor has ground ops. Even Quake and Halo and Unreal Tournament have some basic ground ops (people run on foot or in vehicles and shoot at each other, no?). The point being, ground ops are not a binary “have / don’t have” black-or-white thing. There are shades of gray. There are degrees.

It’s possible to put together an excellent game centered on ground forces while ignoring huge chunks of what makes ground ops work in real life. Some examples easily spring to mind. Where are logistics, attrition replacements, political factors/events, theater intelligence and TBMs in Armored Brigade? It doesn’t need them, because it’s a tactical game and a superb one. Where is the detailed nuts-and-bolts ground combat in TOAW? It doesn’t need it, because it’s an excellent operational/theater game. So the threshold for considering a game as “having ground ops” is not “it has feature-XYZ that I personally deem essential”, but instead “it has the features necessary to model the aspects of ground warfare that it aims to model”.

Command has always viewed ground forces as another element in joint & cross-domain operations, with a primary focus on how they interact with air, naval & strategic assets. This focus remains dominant in CMO.


Blah blah blah blah blah. I hate when people dance around the point.

Hard pass on this one.


....and it still looks like a computer program rather than a game.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: al_infierno on September 28, 2019, 03:46:25 PM
Hmm.  I'm reading that answer as a really long version of "Well, the first game technically had ground units.  So will this one."  Disappointing.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Wburn on September 28, 2019, 06:54:59 PM
I hope they get some AI help if they are expanding their system to enable ground warfare. I barely am able to get air strikes together just to do some SEAD. When working with TFs, ground based air etc, in real life you have a staff to delegate tasks. Hopefully they will have some kind of options to delegate tasks to the computer. I.E, form up airstrike with SEAD, to strike target X, 2 minutes before alpha strike by sea based missiles.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: DennisS on September 28, 2019, 07:24:12 PM
I like the comment on the youtube video if Herman has arrived yet.... :D

One of the most lol things I've read on the internet today!  >:D

I was peripherally involved in the Harpoon-Herman Hun fiasco of 20+ years ago. This claim to fame is second only to being involved in Derek Smart's Battlecruiser debacle.

Herman wasn't anywhere NEAR the asshole Derek was/is....and no one ever saw proof, ever, that he has a Doctorate. Just sayin'.

Oh...Mad Games, and Norbsoft's stealing of the Take Command: 2nd Manassas IP, after the main developer died was also a disaster.

It seems as if I am something of a witness to history...the only one I missed was Stardock's alledged theft of the Starflight/Star Control IP. I say alledged because I don't want to be sued! Heh heh heh.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Apocalypse 31 on September 28, 2019, 08:09:39 PM
Hmm.  I'm reading that answer as a really long version of "Well, the first game technically had ground units.  So will this one."  Disappointing.

Seems like a cash grab. Probably another $70 title.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Skoop on September 28, 2019, 08:46:48 PM
I hope they get some AI help if they are expanding their system to enable ground warfare. I barely am able to get air strikes together just to do some SEAD. When working with TFs, ground based air etc, in real life you have a staff to delegate tasks. Hopefully they will have some kind of options to delegate tasks to the computer. I.E, form up airstrike with SEAD, to strike target X, 2 minutes before alpha strike by sea based missiles.

That's actually what will be deal breaker or maker for me.  The game shines in large scenarios, but having to make detailed orders clicking through all these dialog boxes for 3 dozens flights can get tedious.  Kind of why I didn't play the first one nearly enough.  I do love that you get 3d representation via tacview, but is that only for Air ?  For the price that this will cost I'd expect them to do their own 3d models for all the units.  Not to mention relying on functionality from a third party could cause problems.  The 3d feature is optional, but it's one of the main deal make or break features for as I was hoping it would bring back that janes fleet command vibe.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on September 30, 2019, 03:54:47 AM
Command: Modern Operations – User interface and experience, Part I: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4954
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on October 08, 2019, 03:27:16 AM
Command: Modern Operations – User interface and experience, Part II: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4975
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Sir Slash on October 08, 2019, 08:52:12 AM
Very Nice!  O0
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Huw the Poo on October 08, 2019, 01:16:27 PM
Hang on a minute...so that picture-in-picture 3D situation window is dependent on a plugin which must be purchased separately?  And the most expensive version of it, no less?  Is that right?
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Yskonyn on October 08, 2019, 01:33:46 PM
yes, its called Tacview and has been around for a while.
Warfaresims has been quite upfront and clear about it NOT being part of CMANO, but rather a function of the game that can be used if you happen to own Tacview, or -of course- want to buy it.
Tacview is not made by Warfaresims.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Huw the Poo on October 08, 2019, 02:13:25 PM
Oh well.  Thanks for the info...
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on October 08, 2019, 02:23:15 PM
Hang on a minute...so that picture-in-picture 3D situation window is dependent on a plugin which must be purchased separately?  And the most expensive version of it, no less?  Is that right?

Tacview is also very usefull in DCS so that could soften the blow (if you have a flight sim).  They also have a sale once or twice a year when you can get it at 50% off.  Next sale could be around the end of the year, the last one was early july.

https://www.tacview.net/

Tacview can read and record flight data from the most popular flight simulators: DCS World, Falcon 4.0, IL-2 Sturmovik, X-Plane, Lockheed Martin® Prepar3D®, Microsoft Flight Simulator, VRS TacPack & Superbug, Enemy Engaged Comanche vs. Hokum, and many more to come! Your favorite flight simulator is not yet supported? Use our comprehensive technical documentation to create your own data exporter.

During the evaluation period of 21 days, you can test and enjoy as much as you want all the features available in all editions of Tacview. After this trial period as expired, these advanced features will be disabled. If you wish to continue to use them, you will have to buy a license.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: mbar on October 13, 2019, 08:57:42 AM
This will need TacView Advanced, not Standard? Yikes!! That's wargaming for you.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on October 13, 2019, 11:30:36 AM
This will need TacView Advanced, not Standard? Yikes!! That's wargaming for you.

Only Advanced includes the 'Real-Time Telemetry' you need (https://www.tacview.net/features/advanced/en/#real-time-telemetry).
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on October 16, 2019, 04:10:11 AM
Command: Modern Operations – The grunt’s lot: Improvements to ground operations: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4982
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Blucher on October 16, 2019, 05:09:04 AM
I like the comment on the youtube video if Herman has arrived yet.... :D

One of the most lol things I've read on the internet today!  >:D

I was peripherally involved in the Harpoon-Herman Hun fiasco of 20+ years ago. This claim to fame is second only to being involved in Derek Smart's Battlecruiser debacle.

Herman wasn't anywhere NEAR the asshole Derek was/is....and no one ever saw proof, ever, that he has a Doctorate. Just sayin'.

Oh...Mad Games, and Norbsoft's stealing of the Take Command: 2nd Manassas IP, after the main developer died was also a disaster.

It seems as if I am something of a witness to history...the only one I missed was Stardock's alledged theft of the Starflight/Star Control IP. I say alledged because I don't want to be sued! Heh heh heh.

What is the Herman Hun fiasco? I have seen that guys youtube channel before. And I feel like I have seen him around on different forums.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: MC on October 17, 2019, 06:56:09 AM
I like the comment on the youtube video if Herman has arrived yet.... :D

I was peripherally involved in the Harpoon-Herman Hun fiasco of 20+ years ago. This claim to fame is second only to being involved in Derek Smart's Battlecruiser debacle.



I thought this guy's name was Herman Hum if I remember correctly (or not).  :-\

What is the Herman Hun fiasco? I have seen that guys youtube channel before. And I feel like I have seen him around on different forums.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on October 22, 2019, 12:23:59 PM
Command: Modern Operations – The new simulation & editor features: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4990
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Con on October 22, 2019, 01:51:20 PM
Command: Modern Operations – The new simulation & editor features: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4990
My countdown till my 14year anniversary coupon expired is at 26 days!  What do you guys think the over under is on using it on CMO?
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: al_infierno on October 22, 2019, 03:10:10 PM
Command: Modern Operations – The new simulation & editor features: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4990
My countdown till my 14year anniversary coupon expired is at 26 days!  What do you guys think the over under is on using it on CMO?

I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that this will be released in the next 26 days.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Millipede on October 29, 2019, 10:16:56 AM
The just announced release date on Steam and the Matrix store is Nov. 14th
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on October 29, 2019, 10:21:05 AM
Yahoo my coupon should still be good!
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: al_infierno on October 29, 2019, 11:01:57 AM
Command: Modern Operations – The new simulation & editor features: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4990
My countdown till my 14year anniversary coupon expired is at 26 days!  What do you guys think the over under is on using it on CMO?

I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that this will be released in the next 26 days.

Welp I'll just swallow my words now. :o
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on October 29, 2019, 04:21:22 PM
Command: Modern Operations – The new simulation & editor features: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4990
My countdown till my 14year anniversary coupon expired is at 26 days!  What do you guys think the over under is on using it on CMO?

I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that this will be released in the next 26 days.

Welp I'll just swallow my words now. :o

I wasn't going to say anything:)
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Con on October 29, 2019, 05:52:01 PM
Command: Modern Operations – The new simulation & editor features: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4990
My countdown till my 14year anniversary coupon expired is at 26 days!  What do you guys think the over under is on using it on CMO?

I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that this will be released in the next 26 days.

Welp I'll just swallow my words now. :o

I wasn't going to say anything:)
By my calculation I will be at 28 days since granted the coupon on the 18th.  These things have a shelflife of 30 days right?

Con
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on October 29, 2019, 07:13:13 PM
Command: Modern Operations – The new simulation & editor features: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4990
My countdown till my 14year anniversary coupon expired is at 26 days!  What do you guys think the over under is on using it on CMO?

I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that this will be released in the next 26 days.

Welp I'll just swallow my words now. :o

I wasn't going to say anything:)
By my calculation I will be at 28 days since granted the coupon on the 18th.  These things have a shelflife of 30 days right?

Con

If you look at the bottom of your email that you received for the coupon, it will give you the expiration date.  When I look at mine from the date issued, it is 30 days.  Mine expires (2) days after it comes out so there better be no delays:)

I thought I read current owners will get a discount as well, I wonder if that offer can be combined with the coupon...could end up even a better deal.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Con on October 29, 2019, 08:08:48 PM
Yep checked the email and mine is nov 17th. Cutting it close.

Con
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Yskonyn on October 29, 2019, 11:21:49 PM
My coupon will come around the time it releases, so that might turn out all well and dandy!  :bd:
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on November 06, 2019, 11:59:41 AM
Command: Modern Operations Twitch Preview on November 9th

Command: Modern Operations will be out in a week, on November 14th. Only few days and you’ll get your hands to the most advanced and realistic tactical/operational mil-sim ever created.

After disclosing the full Manual, it is time to see some action for real.

On Saturday 9th on our official Twitch Channel (https://www.twitch.tv/slitherinegroup), Kushan Gaming will be playing Command: Modern Operations. Witness firsthand how to navigate the maelstrom of modern warfare!

The show starts on 7pm GMT / 2 PM EST / 11 AM PST


https://www.matrixgames.com/news/command-modern-operations-discover-the-manual

https://www.matrixgames.com/news/command-modern-operations-twitch-preview-on-november-9th
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on November 06, 2019, 02:18:10 PM
Command: Modern Operations - Discover the Manual: http://www.matrixgames.com/amazon/PDF/CMO/CMO_manual_EBOOK.pdf
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on November 13, 2019, 04:46:26 PM
Details about tomorrow's release, excellent news about 50% off digital version for existing customers....no price known yet as usual.

=========== Details================

Matrix Store (Steam store below)

1) I bought CMANO on Matrix, do I get a discount?
Yes, you get a 50% discount by using your CMANO serial as a coupon. The discount is valid until January 31st 2020, eligible for the digital version.

2) Where do I find my CMANO serial?
You can find your CMANO serial in your My Page section on the Matrix Website or Printed on your CMANO disc.

3) How do I use the serial as a coupon?
The coupon can only be used in the Slitherine & Matrix stores.
To use your coupon, add CMO to your shopping cart as normal and then, on the checkout page, enter your CMANO serial into the Coupon Box and click Update.

4) Can I still purchase CMANO after the release of CMO?
No. After the release of CMO on November 14th, it won’t be possible to purchase CMANO on the Matrix/Slitherine Store anymore.

5) Can I still purchase CMANO DLCs after the release of CMO?
Yes. If you buy any CMO DLCs after November 14th, you’ll be offered two installers, one for CMO and one for CMANO in your My Page section. See question #9

6) Will the previous CMANO Standalones (Northern Inferno, Chains of War, Shifting Sands, The Silent Service, Desert Storm) remain Standalones with CMO?
No, they will be turned to CMO DLCs. See Question #14

7) I bought the previous CMANO Standalones (Northern Inferno, Chains of War, Shifting Sands, The Silent Service, Desert Storm). Will I be able to play them as Standalones after CMO releases?
Yes, you will. But they won’t receive engine updates.

8) Will I be able to play my Matrix version of CMANO after the release of CMO?
Yes, If you have bought any CMANO title – base game or expansion/DLC – your serials will remain registered and accessible anytime from your My Page; this means that you can keep playing them in the old CMANO engine at any time you want.

9) I have bought some DLCs for CMANO on MatrixGames. Do I have to purchase them again?
No. All the DLCs and Standalones previously bought can be downloaded for CMO from your My Page (https://www.matrixgames.com/member/downloads) for free. There, you will be offered two installers, use the Multi DLC Setup to install with CMO.

10) I have bought only an Expansion Standalone (Northern Inferno, Chains of War, Shifting Sands, The Silent Service, Desert Storm), will I be eligible for the discount coupon?
No, only owners of the CMANO base game will be able to use the discount offer for CMO

11) Can I load a CMANO scenario into CMO?
Yes you can do that from CMANO to CMO, but not vice-versa

12) Will I be able to redeem the Steam keys if I buy CMO and the DLCs from Matrix?
Yes. Just remember that redeeming a CMANO base game Steam key doesn’t turn it into a CMO one. More info on how to redeem the key here: http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=93585

13) I bought CMANO and You Brexit, You Fix it on Matrix. Can I redeem the DLC key on Steam?
Yes. In your My Page you can get the Steam serial for your product. You can proceed to activate the product on Steam. The serial will unlock both versions (for CMO and for CMANO).

14) I bought one of the Expansion Standalone products on Matrix. How can I use it in the CMO engine?
Since all the old CMANO products are CMO DLCs now, the only way to play them in the CMO engine is to buy CMO (base game). You can still play them in their original way (as CMANO Products) but without any further engine update.

15) What do I receive if I buy the physical version of CMO (Collectors Edition)?
You will receive: a full color printed box, 2 full color printed DVDs (with your order number and serial number printed on them). The Printed Manual that will be included in the box at release will be a shortened version (210 pages). The full (350 pages) E-Book Manual will be included in the installer and will be available from the Product Page on the website.


Steam

1) I bought CMANO on Steam, do I get a discount?
Yes, Steam will automatically offerCMO at a 50% discount for you. The discount is valid until January 31st 2020

2) Will I still be able to play CMANO, after the release of CMO?
Yes if you bought it before November 14th. After that date, it won’t be possible to purchase CMANO on Steam anymore. CMANO support will continue, but no new content or features are planned.

3) Will my old Steam CMANO titles be removed from my Steam Library?
No, they will remain in your Steam Library and you’ll be able to play them whenever you wish

4) I have bought some DLCs for CMANO on Steam. Do I have to purchase them again if I want to play them in CMO?
No, you don’t have to purchase them again. If you buy CMO, Steam will recognize the ownership of the old products and they will be listed as owned DLCs for CMO in your Steam Library
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: JudgeDredd on November 14, 2019, 03:27:25 AM
I wonder if it'll have an updated Falklands with new ground war capability.... :D
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on November 14, 2019, 03:48:30 AM
i forgot to do my typical price guessing:)

this one is tough for me since multiple ways it could go...on one hand maybe cheaper to bring in more people, on the other hand maybe more expensive to catch up on all the stuff they added along the way.

with all that said, i am going to guess they stay with current price of $79.99

of course if you want to see the tacview stuff, that is another $69.99 unless you wait until a future sale
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: JasonPratt on November 14, 2019, 07:12:18 AM
Steam has unlocked, $79.99.

DLCs are $19.99 if you haven't got them yet and/or registered them with Steam from a Matrix buy. (I bought CMANO from Matrix during the Winter sale last year, since that's when my yearly loyalty coupon also kicks in, but at the time there was no Steam crossover code; still might not be.)
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Yskonyn on November 14, 2019, 07:19:58 AM
My loyalty coupon is due to be sent to me in 2 or 3 days. Perfect timing!  O0 :smitten:
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Boggit on November 14, 2019, 08:16:09 AM
Hi all,

I've just had a conversation with Paulo over at Slitherine. A couple of interesting things came up:

1. Does the new game the new game now replace my old copy of CMANO? If so I should now uninstall it from Steam.
    It looked like it did, but I asked him to please confirm as I wanted to be sure.
 
    He replied "no, it's a different game. you can keep both of them on your HD :)"; and

2. He gave me some interesting information, which is mostly relevant to people who haven't yet got Command: Modern Operations

"Today, Slitherine and Matrix Games are going to release Command: Modern Operations, the premier military simulator for any possible engagement in a modern scenario, from counter-terrorism operations to nuclear tactical warfare. C: MO (https://www.matrixgames.com/game/command-modern-operations) is an evolution of C: MANO (released in 2013), but it’s also a revolution on its own as it takes every single element and system of the original simulation to the next level. Everything from engine, database, maps, editing, accessibility, progression has been revamped and reshaped.

Command: Modern Operations is simulation developed by Warfare Sims that evolved to become the equivalent of perfection in modern warfare operational wargaming. So much so that in more recent years, what was purely a commercial game grew up to be a reference in professional wargaming, with the Professional edition being used by multiple military defence organizations across the world, including Pentagon, German Luftwaffe and British DSTL (Defence Science and Technology Laboratory)."

I'm including the PR about the new Command: Modern Operations to this email, while you can find some screenshots with captions (and the same PR) here:

https://we.tl/t-dJMUlkXDlW

Here you can also find our new trailer "What is Command: MO explained in two minutes":



I hope that is helpful to you all.

Best regards,
Boggit
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on November 14, 2019, 09:59:13 AM
My price with 50% off is 34 €.

I have all the DLC and I have Tacview advanced.

Give me a reason not to get the new edition  :).


They released a bundle including Tacview (https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/12584/Command_Modern_Operations__Tacview_Advanced/) with an added discount.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: mbar on November 14, 2019, 12:27:24 PM
I saw that bundle and that is a great deal. I'm thinking of just buying that bundle on Steam rather than buying both from the individual stores. Decisions.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on November 14, 2019, 12:51:28 PM
One thing I noticed is that the Tacview Steam edition doesn't install automatically in DCS as a module.   Maybe this is a bug but if you want to use Tacview exporter in DCS you might be better off (for now) using the non-steam version.
I tried this with the free version on Steam that somehow (it detected my licence ?) installed as the advanced edition.

How can I know if Tacview exporter is properly installed?

Tacview exporter is a module of DCS World. You should see its icon at the bottom of DCS World main menu screen. A dedicated control panel is also available under the SPECIAL tab in DCS World OPTIONS page.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: al_infierno on November 14, 2019, 01:15:39 PM
I've seen murmurs that Tacview doesn't have fog of war implemented yet, so you can see undetected enemies in the 3D view.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on November 14, 2019, 01:21:07 PM
I've seen murmurs that Tacview doesn't have fog of war implemented yet, so you can see undetected enemies in the 3D view.

This is discussed here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1076160/discussions/0/1640927858842590478/#c1640927981797887450
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: stolypin on November 14, 2019, 02:29:13 PM
I've seen murmurs that Tacview doesn't have fog of war implemented yet, so you can see undetected enemies in the 3D view.

That's a bigger issue for me than the price.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on November 14, 2019, 02:31:44 PM
I've seen murmurs that Tacview doesn't have fog of war implemented yet, so you can see undetected enemies in the 3D view.

That's a bigger issue for me than the price.

You can voice your concern by voting for this feature: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4709794
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on November 14, 2019, 03:56:57 PM
My loyalty coupon is due to be sent to me in 2 or 3 days. Perfect timing!  O0 :smitten:

Just a heads up....only one coupon code can be used per order at Matrix.  So if you own the existing game, you have to use either the 50% off discount or your coupon (of course if only higher than 50%).  If you don't previously own the game, then absolutely having the coupon code is great to cut the costs.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Destraex on November 14, 2019, 10:49:27 PM
I've seen murmurs that Tacview doesn't have fog of war implemented yet, so you can see undetected enemies in the 3D view.

That's a bigger issue for me than the price.

I heard that as well.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on November 14, 2019, 10:51:24 PM
I've seen murmurs that Tacview doesn't have fog of war implemented yet, so you can see undetected enemies in the 3D view.

That's a bigger issue for me than the price.

I heard that as well.

You can voice your concern by voting for this feature: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4709794
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: MikeGER on November 15, 2019, 02:32:38 AM
i just got me the update  :D   50% off is a fair deal imho  :bd:

on Tacview, i will use the free test period when i get the time in the xmas holiday seasons, so i don't start the 28 days countdown now.   
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Yskonyn on November 15, 2019, 08:48:48 AM
50 percent off is indeed a great deal.
Played 45mins, but it runs crappy on my laptop.

CMANO always ran functionally well enough in pulse mode on this laptop, but it seems there is no pulse mode anymore in CMO.

On my desktop it runs very well however.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: JudgeDredd on November 15, 2019, 02:46:27 PM
The game needs some other speeds in between 5 and "hot".
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Yskonyn on November 16, 2019, 02:14:38 AM
The buttons at the bottom left suggest you can skip time in chunks?
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on November 16, 2019, 02:20:43 AM
The buttons at the bottom left suggest you can skip time in chunks?

Yes. We added this specifically to solve "runaway sim" situations.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: mbar on November 16, 2019, 08:22:51 AM
My price with 50% off is 34 €.

I have all the DLC and I have Tacview advanced.

Give me a reason not to get the new edition  :).


They released a bundle including Tacview (https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/12584/Command_Modern_Operations__Tacview_Advanced/) with an added discount.

Buying this bundle brand new to Command is $112.48 USD
I have CMANO so this bundle will cost me $82.48 with the 50% off of CMO

If you have already bought CMO from Matrix and activated it on steam, then can you buy this bundle and get Tacview 25% off?
I'm guessing it would be $52.50 if Steam counts CMO as purchased.

Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Yskonyn on November 16, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
Usually with bundles Steams already sees what you have in your library and adjusts price accordingly, so my guess is yes.

But you’ll see it in the Steam store right away.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on November 16, 2019, 09:33:37 AM
Usually with bundles Steams already sees what you have in your library and adjusts price accordingly, so my guess is yes.

But you’ll see it in the Steam store right away.

Yes, you still get the discount afterwards....it is 52.49 after the 25% discount.  I am going to wait and see if tacview direct web site has their normal winter sales where it was 50% off in the past.  Rather only pay $35 and I am in no hurry:)
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on November 16, 2019, 09:42:44 AM
My price with 50% off is 34 €.

I have all the DLC and I have Tacview advanced.

Give me a reason not to get the new edition  :).


They released a bundle including Tacview (https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/12584/Command_Modern_Operations__Tacview_Advanced/) with an added discount.


Buying this bundle brand new to Command is $112.48 USD
I have CMANO so this bundle will cost me $82.48 with the 50% off of CMO

If you have already bought CMO from Matrix and activated it on steam, then can you buy this bundle and get Tacview 25% off?
I'm guessing it would be $52.50 if Steam counts CMO as purchased.


Bundle :  Command: Modern Operations   33,99 € (= -50 %)
               Tacview Advanced                       61,95 € (= normal price)

Total without extra discount :                             95,94 €

To Pay ( -25% ) = 71,95 €  (Saved : 23,99 € so you get Tacview for 37.96 €)
You get the extra discount also on the base game !
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: mbar on November 16, 2019, 10:13:14 AM
Thanks folks. I can buy from Matrix then and still get Tacview discount. O0 Sweet.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on November 17, 2019, 03:14:15 AM
Thanks folks. I can buy from Matrix then and still get Tacview discount. O0 Sweet.

I understand the reason to buy directly from Matrix but in this case I guess the Steam bundle is a better deal.

Steam and Matrix offer 50% off for owning the original but Steam gives you an extra 25% on the whole bundle. 
If my math is correct the extra discount is 8.50 € (Base game at 50% x 25%).
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Grim.Reaper on November 17, 2019, 04:05:30 AM
cheaper yes right now, assuming a person only wants the steam version of the game plus only the steam version of tacview.  but for me at least saving $8 is not that big of a deal especially since i prefer a non steam version of tacview and the game.  plus if tacview does what it has in the past during various sales, they have reduced the price by 50% which then makes buying tacview even cheaper later.  thought i also read that buying the non steam version of tacview gets you a steam key as well.  so best of both worlds but of course each person can choose path for themselves:)
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on November 17, 2019, 04:13:57 AM
Nah
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: solops on November 17, 2019, 09:08:33 AM
Confused...I have not been keeping up with this new version of CMANO, have not played in a while. I did see the 50% discount and went ahead and got it as a CMANO owner. TAcview, I thought it was just a feature of the new CMO version of CMANO. Is it something separate?
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Jarhead0331 on November 17, 2019, 09:32:06 AM
Confused...I have not been keeping up with this new version of CMANO, have not played in a while. I did see the 50% discount and went ahead and got it as a CMANO owner. TAcview, I thought it was just a feature of the new CMO version of CMANO. Is it something separate?

Yes. Tacview is a totally separate program that you must purchase separately.

https://www.tacview.net/purchase/buy/en/ (https://www.tacview.net/purchase/buy/en/)
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on November 17, 2019, 09:48:21 AM
Confused...I have not been keeping up with this new version of CMANO, have not played in a while. I did see the 50% discount and went ahead and got it as a CMANO owner. TAcview, I thought it was just a feature of the new CMO version of CMANO. Is it something separate?

Yes. Tacview is a totally separate program that you must purchase separately.

https://www.tacview.net/purchase/buy/en/ (https://www.tacview.net/purchase/buy/en/)

And it is optional !
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Yskonyn on November 17, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
^ Yes that is important to state!

I see a lot of discussion about how people need to splash additional money to get the 3D view option, but Warfaresims have been transparant and upfront about the fact that CMO just supports 3D view IF you have TacView advanced. Its an extra more than anything.
And not one without its drawbacks either as TacView does not support a Fog of War and so the player is able to see all units in a God’s eye view.

While its nice to see aerial engagements in TacView’s 3D window I don’t feel its a necessary thing to have, much less if you don’t own TacView yet (and don’t fly air combat sims).
Its just nice CMO offers the option.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Huw the Poo on November 17, 2019, 11:59:39 AM
I wonder why they couldn't just build their own in-game though?  It's not like it would be the first game to do it.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on November 17, 2019, 01:43:01 PM
I own the original from Matrix.  Never got a coupon though.  I transitioned to Steam and bought DLC there.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: bobarossa on November 17, 2019, 05:54:01 PM
I own the original from Matrix.  Never got a coupon though.  I transitioned to Steam and bought DLC there.
I believe they said to use the original CMANO game code as the coupon code.
Bought CMANO 4 years ago at holiday sale and still haven't tried playing it.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on November 18, 2019, 01:28:57 AM
I own the original from Matrix.  Never got a coupon though.  I transitioned to Steam and bought DLC there.

It is mentioned a few times on the game page (https://www.matrixgames.com/game/command-modern-operations) :

Get 50% off by entering your CMANO serial at checkout!
Get 50% off by entering your original CMANO serial in the coupon field.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: JudgeDredd on November 18, 2019, 02:59:36 AM
The buttons at the bottom left suggest you can skip time in chunks?

Yes. We added this specifically to solve "runaway sim" situations.
It just seems to go from slow to super fast. There's 1,2,3,4,5 and flame...5 is alright but I've found myself many times wanting to go faster but not flame. For example, in the tutorials, I was launching some strike fighters and when they launched, I clicked 5 to get them moving towards the target. Way too slow. So I clicked flame and before I could deselect flame and go back to another setting I was over the target.

Messages often popup and (thankfully) pause the simulation and that allows you to slow the speed down. But I'm still left wanting some different options between 5 and flame.

What is the flame speed anyway as it's not represented as a number.

And I don't want to skip time chunks (at least not in the scenarios I've played - I'm sure that's a useful feature) - but I just want to go faster than 5 and slower than flame  ^-^

Get it on yer wish list. The algorithm is all there right? It can't be hard to put a few more options in, surely.  ;)

Oh and by the way - thank you (or Matrix of Slitherine) for working out a 50% discount for people who owned the original. It was very appreciated.
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Dimitris on November 18, 2019, 03:04:36 AM
What is the flame speed anyway as it's not represented as a number.

Broadly speaking, the equivalent of this: https://youtu.be/ygE01sOhzz0

Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: JudgeDredd on November 18, 2019, 03:48:37 AM
Well we need Light Speed and Ridiculous speed in between  :2funny:
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Pete Dero on November 18, 2019, 04:54:53 AM
Well we need Light Speed and Ridiculous speed in between  :2funny:


Just use speeds 1,2,3,4,5 and 11.

Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Destraex on November 19, 2019, 03:01:06 PM

To those that have played it. Is modern operations really worth it for those that own the original? Or does it just provide marginal improvements?
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Con on November 19, 2019, 06:01:19 PM
Its an improvement -  The tacview is perhaps a bit underwhelming but the better map images and the interface and controls make it a worthwhile upgrade for me.
I am still learning about tacview so as I get more familiar with it I might come to regard that portion more valuable.
Con
Title: Re: Matrix Games announce Command: Modern Operations (CMANO successor)
Post by: Yskonyn on November 20, 2019, 02:15:08 AM
Definitely worth your money, especially at 50% off for existing owners. The UI is much nicer.