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Digital Gaming => Computer Wargaming => Topic started by: Jarhead0331 on April 08, 2019, 03:49:58 PM

Title: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Jarhead0331 on April 08, 2019, 03:49:58 PM
Awwwwww, yeah! Looks delish.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1025440/Fantasy_General_II/ (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1025440/Fantasy_General_II/)
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Steelgrave on April 08, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
Oh hell yeah! The original Fantasy General is one of the very few classics I played for years and years after it's prime. Day one purchase for this gamer.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Sir Slash on April 08, 2019, 05:38:20 PM
I'll be following this one with doubtful hope that it can repeat the original greatness. Got to have some really cool fantasy units to be a success. Fingers crossed. ;)
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: JasonPratt on April 08, 2019, 06:27:18 PM
Oooooh!

So, Slitherine didn't get the rights to remake Panzer General, and just remade Panzer General (again) anyway -- in several fashions -- like everyone else in the world -- but they somehow got the rights to use the IP for Fantasy General? .......okay. Not complaining.

But I'm about to rant about the writing sample.

I hope the writing is better than the opening narration. It's one thing to rip off one of the catchphrases to the Wheel of Time series; heck, even Peter Jackson did that to start his adaptation of the Lord of the Rings! (Which is like Inception levels of whack.)

It's another thing to rip it off badly. "Three hundred years and heroes become legends; legends becomes myth; myth fades from memory..."

Um, no. Not in three hundred years. A legend might become myth in three hundred years -- arguably the history behind "King Arthur" became myth that quickly -- but once something reaches mythical status sooner than 300 years, it does NOT fade from memory in only 300 years. Otherwise it wouldn't have been popular enough to become myth, and myth that quickly, to begin with!

That's just taking Fellowship's opening borrow of the Wheel of Time, about legend becoming myth and some things that should not have been forgotten, were lost IN OVER THREE AND A HALF THOUSAND YEARS! (A timescale comparable to WoT's storyline, too, incidentally. And even Peter Jackson and his writing harem borrowed that line badly, since the story and details they're talking about weren't lost and didn't become forgotten by the people whom the events were important to: Tolkien would have laughed riotously at the whole idea. But they sold it better in the delivery.  ::) )

The original catchphrase from WoT works better, largely because RJ didn't claim, either in the catchphrase or in the story itself, that people forgot the myths. The myths were left over from what people did forget, but narrative stories across that whole span of time were still being made and going on, bringing along echoes of the old history with them.


........ :pullhair: #:-) :hide:

To be fair, the writing for the spiritual sequel Fantasy Wars/Elven Legacy wasn't great either, and I love that series to death. Writing turns out to be hard. And there's no guarantee that the promo narration will be the opening narration, or that the writer(s) of that will be the writer(s) of the game's actual storyline. The game is only alpha at best. There's time for improvement.  O:-)


On a different level of geekiness, I see those Phoenix Knights in the trailer and remember how broken they were in the original game!  :D They could take a turn not only to heal all wounds, but to resurrect all dead units. That was on top of being the best fighting units in the game by a fair margin.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: -budd- on April 08, 2019, 07:17:55 PM
I was home to catch the Slitherine stream today, mentioned that GOG had the rights to FG, and they were partnering with them on FG2. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/408091189 the FG2 stuff starts about 47 minutes into it.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: jomni on April 08, 2019, 07:54:10 PM
Nice visuals.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Gusington on April 08, 2019, 08:07:15 PM
I better play the original soon to get ready.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: CJReich46 on April 08, 2019, 09:02:29 PM
Intrigued.  I saw the announcement this morning.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: FlickJax on April 09, 2019, 02:51:55 AM
wow just wow
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Tpek on April 09, 2019, 05:09:28 AM
Hell yeah!  <:-)
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: JasonPratt on April 09, 2019, 06:38:23 AM
I was home to catch the Slitherine stream today, mentioned that GOG had the rights to FG, and they were partnering with them on FG2.

Interesting!

The other interesting thing there, is that Matrixlitherine will be directly partnering more with GoG, which I think can only be a good thing.  O0 And then, BY SHEER COINCIDENCE!!?!?, they release two of their biggest most expensive hardcore monster games (plus dlc) on GoG at around this time.  ^-^

Anything that helps the Slithermanagement feel more comfortable and profitable reaching out through the well-established distribution channels, should benefit everyone.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Gusington on April 09, 2019, 06:59:31 AM
Stop it with your ‘logic’ and ‘facts.’
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Steelgrave on April 09, 2019, 08:03:54 AM
Yon naysayers shall deter me not from throwing my hard earned coin at this game!!!
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Sir Slash on April 09, 2019, 10:22:37 AM
The hard-earned coin is the best kind to throw at games. I save the easy stuff for drinking and porno.  :clap:
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Steelgrave on April 09, 2019, 11:27:30 AM
^Hear, hear!   O0
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Gusington on April 09, 2019, 11:39:24 AM
A wise man once said ‘There are three things in life that you should never pay for. Pencils, porn, and concert tickets.’
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Sir Slash on April 09, 2019, 05:36:54 PM
I thought, 'free love' was one too.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Gusington on April 09, 2019, 06:40:02 PM
If you’re paying for free love you’re not doing it right.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: FarAway Sooner on April 09, 2019, 11:38:54 PM
We all pay for free love.  It's just a question of whether we pay before or after.

This does look sweet.  I have great nostalgia for those titles.

That said, I'll be curious to see what they bring to the game that's new.  The puzzle/campaign genre with units that carry over from scenario to scenario and use a hex-based map genre has been driven into the ground.  There's been little new under the sun there in a LONG time (although games like Unity of Command or DC: Barbarossa have featured some nice wrinkles).  Putting a fantasy skin on Panzer Corps isn't likely to moisten my loins.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: FlickJax on May 02, 2019, 08:55:57 AM
http://slitherine.com/news/2835/Fantasy.General.II.-.Dev.Diary.2.-.The.Barbarians
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Anguille on May 02, 2019, 09:42:29 AM
Looking good!
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: airboy on May 03, 2019, 07:24:46 PM
The Original Fantasy General did not hold up very well over time.  I had it and completed it.  I repurchased on GOG a number of years ago and stopped playing about 40% through the game because play and AI combat skills did not hold up that well compared to newer releases.  This was a combat AI issue and not graphics.

Like everything else, the combat AI and game balance will be critical in the game.  I hope it holds up and does well, but I've stopped preordering and I also don't buy games in development.  Too much of a chance that everything goes wrong and too little chance the early payment works out.

I think that the original Fantasy General is thought of better now than it was when it was released more for nostalgia than for play quality.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Steelgrave on May 04, 2019, 09:31:04 AM
Airboy, I feel that way about a lot, if not most, of the games I have beloved memories of playing. The memories and nostalgia will grab my attention when I hear "remake", but I need to see a good game incorporating more modern graphics and AI before I pull the trigger. Making a prettier remake of the same game will sell some titles, taking the original idea and breathing new life into it will make devoted fans and even more sales. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Gusington on May 04, 2019, 12:02:29 PM
The original Fantasy General had a great 'mood' regardless of it being ancient, like Steely.

:)
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Steelgrave on May 04, 2019, 08:41:16 PM
Ha! Gus, you kidder you..... ::)
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Gusington on May 05, 2019, 11:23:52 AM
Funny...but true!
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: airboy on May 06, 2019, 07:51:04 AM
The original Fantasy General had a great 'mood' regardless of it being ancient, like Steely.

:)

You are right, those missives at the start of each section were done well.  But the game play and AI - not so much.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Gusington on May 06, 2019, 10:48:04 AM
20 years plus is a long time in game years. There’s very little, if anything, that I would play from 20+ years ago without it being updated.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: JasonPratt on May 06, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
I still listen to the soundtrack occasionally; at least twice this year so far, I'm sure!
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Steelgrave on May 06, 2019, 11:56:40 AM
I still listen to the soundtrack occasionally; at least twice this year so far, I'm sure!

Jason, I hope you know this isn't meant as an insult when I say.....

that may be the nerdiest thing I've ever heard     :coolsmiley: O0 8)


(But he can't be the only one because I found this):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jXmzkEAjWY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jXmzkEAjWY)
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: JasonPratt on May 06, 2019, 03:13:05 PM
The files are mp3 sitting around in a folder, so it isn't even hard to do.  O:-)

I mix them with the better tracks from Total Annihilation. They go together very well.

(I'm not where I can verify where I add the soundtrack from the Wheel of Time game into the mix, though -- is it there, or with my combination of Age of Wonders 2 and Outland...?)

Honestly, at least half my music is game scores.


Edited to add: it occurs to me we ought to have a thread in the Music/TV/Film subcategory dedicated to game scores...
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: Gusington on May 06, 2019, 04:32:36 PM
I listen to a bunch of Skyrim suites on YouTube when I read.
Title: Re: Fantasy General 2
Post by: JasonPratt on May 08, 2019, 12:38:35 PM
Those are good ambient tracks to work by, too. I don't usually listen to them for driving, though.

(The Dhovakim main them, on the other hand, I have a dozen-ish covers of, mixed in with covers of the Game of Throne theme.)