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Title: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on October 30, 2018, 01:55:20 PM
Black Desert Online is a Korean MMO published by Kakao Games, who recently came to the gaming fore after their acquisition of CCP, developer of the seminal Eve Online.  The Korean theme very much runs through the game, from the aesthetics to the slant towards grind and pay-to-win.  I will say more about this later in the post; don't discount the game for this just yet!

In fact it was the controversy of that acquisition that brought the game to my attention; I'd never heard of it but I subscribe to the Eve Online subreddit so I read about it.  The Eve playerbase were very distressed about it but, never being one to let others form my opinions for me, I decided to investigate BDO myself.

I'm so very glad I did!  I have been very pleasantly surprised by what I've seen so far, to the point where I've bought my copy (7-day trials are available on the BDO website) and am quite happy to pay the equivalent of the subscription - this isn't mandatory and is something else I will address later too.

In typical Korean fashion there's a huge number of classes and they're all gender locked.  If you want to be a Dark Knight you must be female; if you want to be a Berserker you must be male, and so on.  When you first log on you create your character, choose a star sign (absolutely no clues as to what this actually does), family name, name, and customise the look of your character.  Now, costumes are disappointingly uniform (lol) across the class; if you play as a Dark Knight you're going to look like 95% of other Dark Knights.  It's my understanding that costumes rarely change much even as you upgrade through the various tiers of armour.  Presumably this is to encourage you to buy costumes on the cash shop!

Then you begin.  You're guided throughout your leveling experience by an odd little black spirit that gives you quests or points you in the direction of (main) quest givers.  Rewards, and experience, comes thick and fast.  By the end of the tutorial you've gone up a few levels and by the end of an initial cursory session you're likely to be around level 12.  Every quest completed gives you some bonuses and/or nice equipment.  There's a milestone level cap of 50 which is where the "real" game begins (I just reached this today so cannot comment on anything that comes later), a further milestone at 56 where you "awaken" and get a class-specific special weapon and skill set, and apparently there's no hard level cap in the game at all.  Experience for leveling comes purely from combat, although there are various other types of experience in the game such as Contribution (used to buy housing, invest in cities and institutions and a lot more) and Lifeskills which is what other MMOs call Professions - gathering, farming, mining and so on.

The early leveling experience, then, consists in its simplest form of going from quest giver to quest giver, going forth and beating about the head and shoulders anything you're told to, handing in your quests and investing your skill points.  Now, when I say the game only begins at 50, I mean it.  The pre-50 game is easy, really easy.  Mobs are stupid and generally go down in one hit, and bosses are trivial.  I have used this period to get used to my skills - each skill is activated by a certain mouse and key combination - and deciding which ones I like to use.  I've also used it to take a peek at some of the other systems BDO has to offer.

(For those worried at this point - I am assured the game gets a lot harder from here - and I can also say that I finally found some mobs today that actually did some damage and forced me to retreat in surprise - this was just as I was about to hit level 50)

So, the other systems.  Heh.  This is where BDO really begins to differ from the MMOs you're probably used to.  Where do I begin?  For a start, the world is divided into regions with each having its own node.  In order to do anything meaningful in a region you have to invest in the node and bring it into your network.  You do this by spending contribution points which you slowly accumulate throughout the game.  Disconnecting a node adds the points back into your pool.  After investing in a node you can do things like hire workers to tend to farms and mine for you and various other things like that.  Investing in a node also means you don't pay a very hefty sales tax when you sell trade goods from that node elsewhere (price increases with distance).

There are plenty of other curiosities.  Currency - silver - has physical presence.  So it will weigh you down when you carry a lot, forcing you to either bank it in one of the many storages or convert it into gold which can itself be banked or carried.  This is one of things that critics of the game never mention.  In the vast majority of MMOs you're nickel-and-dimed for bank storage constantly.  In BDO you have loads of storage - it's just spread out across the world.  There are numerous options to make this easier to manage, too.  You can hire a wagon and physically transport goods and gold/silver yourself, or you can pay for it to be done.  By the way, if you're paying for something you can use money stored at the nearest storage.

Mounts are no big deal in BDO.  Other MMOs will make you grind (or pay) for your first mount.  In BDO I had a donkey by the end of my first session of play, and a horse by the end of my second.  They have their own skills, can be bred, trained, leveled up etc.  You also have pets and they have much more utility in BDO than in most other MMOs.  There is a wide range and each species has its own special abilities.  However they all have one utility in common, and that's picking up loot from fallen mobs.  Here's where some element of pay-to-win comes in.  There's nothing stopping you looting mobs yourself but you have to loot each one individually and you get through a lot; having up to five pets with you can make this much less wearying - but pets cost real money, or you can try to snipe one from the marketplace (very difficult to do).

That kind of sums up the pay-to-win element.  Before writing this post I asked my guildmates, all grizzled veterans, for their honest opinions.  Most have spent a lot of money on BDO, but that's because they're happy to do so - I am the same with Warframe to be honest.  The responses I received were along the lines of just buying a few pets is a necessity, or (to some) buying costumes is a necessity.  So it really depends how heavily invested you get in the game.  I think most would agree, however, that constantly having a Value Pack (BDO's equivalent of a premium subscription) is almost mandatory because it makes the game generally more comfortable to play.

I could have written a lot more about this game but I will have to stop for now.  Believe me when I say there's a lot I haven't even touched on, like how PvP and guild wars work for example.  I might post more later; I will definitely be happy to field any questions.

In summary: I highly recommend BDO.  It's a fantastically beautiful world, it's quirky and different, it's a far cry from the usual copy-and-paste (almost) free to play MMOs, it has some highly intriguing systems and its reputed cash-grab nature is highly exaggerated.  There's a seven day trial on the website; maybe try it for yourself?

Black Desert Online (https://www.blackdesertonline.com)
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: acctingman on October 30, 2018, 03:04:36 PM
Is the pvp forced? Are there zones/areas where you can quest unscathed?

The BIGGEST turn off of pvp for me are the gankers.

Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on October 30, 2018, 03:59:48 PM
The PvP is forced, yes, once you reach level 50.  The cities and major landmarks are designated safe zones but anywhere else it's open season.  Having just reached 50 myself I have no experience yet so again I deferred to my guildmates.  I'm being told that ganking depends largely on where you go and when.  Being around popular spots at peak times will make fights inevitable - other times and places a lot less so.  It's my understanding that a lot of PvP is guild wars and node wars.

From what I've been reading on the wiki the penalties for having negative karma are rather harsh, but they don't dissuade people entirely.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: acctingman on October 30, 2018, 04:27:03 PM
Thanks for the info. That's a no go for me.

Takes one asshat ganker to make me want to puke.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Ubercat on October 30, 2018, 05:45:50 PM
My best friend and I had a lot of fun ganking gankers in the Shadowbane MMORPG way back when. We both had scout characters that specialized in killing stealth builds that griefers liked to use. Some of them got so butthurt that we F’d up their time F’ing with people. It’s fun to be a dick to dicks!
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Nefaro on October 30, 2018, 07:22:11 PM
I tried BDO when the English version was first released.  It was so damn full of people at the time, you were basically waiting in line to get quests done at certain points.  :pullhair:

The gameplay was a bit enjoyable when being able to do my own thing, if too memorization-intensive regarding fight combos.  Guess I'm just an old stubborn MMO'er who still prefers simple target-and-skill spam gameplay.


My best friend and I had a lot of fun ganking gankers in the Shadowbane MMORPG way back when. We both had scout characters that specialized in killing stealth builds that griefers liked to use. Some of them got so butthurt that we F’d up their time F’ing with people. It’s fun to be a dick to dicks!

Wow.  Haven't heard that MMO name in a long time. 

I vaguely recall enjoying it, but didn't get as involved as some others did back in the day.  Some other shiny probably caught my eye.. and I was off to the next thing per usual. 

Seem to recall it was pretty much just large outdoor setting with a heavy pvp lean.  I didn't get the impression that it had as much variety, regarding different activities, as others.  Although it did have a relatively large range of classes to choose from at the time.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Ubercat on October 30, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
It pretty much ruined all other MMORPG's for me. What other RPG's allow you to build your own cities from the ground up, where you want, complete with the vendors you choose and NPC guards to protect them from specific PC's that you're in conflict with? The players had complete control over creating their own political structures and shifting alliances as they chose. If/when another MMORPG does that, I'll consider trying another one. I don't think I'll ever again manage the 10-12 hours a day I was playing, though!
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on October 31, 2018, 12:41:18 AM
Didn't Darkfall Online do pretty much all of that as well?  I believe it's recently had some form of rerelease too.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Yskonyn on October 31, 2018, 01:28:14 AM
Fired up BDO yesterday evening for a short spell to check out the ‘Remastered’ graphics.
I already found the game awesome looking before the ‘overhaul’ so the thing that struck me most are the overdone shinyness effects on metal surfaces and the extreme depth of field blurring effect.
I am not sure what other ‘improvements’ have been made.
No doubt the game is top dog in MMO land regarding graphics, but personally I am not very fond of overdone filmic effects at all.
The shine can’t be tunes in game, but at least you can get rid of the DOF filter.

Started a new character (family name Daventria). Lots of new class options from last time I played. The character creator is weird in a sense that the characters look so real that if you’re creating a female (I chose Archer) you feel rather uncomfortable to be ‘playing’ with her body measurements. Weird stuff.
As far as creating the person you have lots op options to tweak, but like Huw mentioned you have little choice in deciding on outfit. Not even on colour of the outfit.
This is definately done to persuade you to start buying costumes in the store.
Many people don’t (low level?) so while playing you see lots of clones running around in the starter zones. That a pretty big immersion killer for me. I don’t know if this gets better later on.

When starting the game you are guided through a simple quest chain explaining the bare basics of play, but the fun part is that the game doesn’t muck about getting you into the action!
And the action is where BDO shines, I think!

Its action oriented where you make combo’s by pressing various combinations of your mouse buttons coupled with keyboard input.
Most combo’s are directly tied to your movement on the battlefield, so this creates a very natural flow of pulling off awesome tricks and actions!
This is the first Archer in any MMO that makes me feel like being Legolas from LOTR! Only ... well a girl. ;)
She can dash into a group of enemies at high speed, pull out her long knife quickly to start slashing then salto back with a double flip while throwing knives at the group then quickly pull out her bow and start peppering the remaining buggers from a distance! Totally awesome!

Special note to the animations. The creatures and player characters are all richly animated. With little nuances.

The quests are your typical fetch quests and kill x amount of y . And I am being told that later on the grind gets real, requiring insane amounts of stuff to complete tasks.
No such thing at this point yet.
One thing is clear though; despite the boring quests I am having more fun doing them due to the combat system than, say an old school hotbar system like FFXIV sports.
It feels Diablo-like at times for pacing and skillset.

That’s all I can report at this time.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Tpek on October 31, 2018, 05:35:25 AM
My best friend and I had a lot of fun ganking gankers in the Shadowbane MMORPG way back when. We both had scout characters that specialized in killing stealth builds that griefers liked to use. Some of them got so butthurt that we F’d up their time F’ing with people. It’s fun to be a dick to dicks!

Ohh man, now I miss Shadowbane.
I remember it went completely and truly free to play for years before being fully shut down.


As for BDO, seems my country isn't included in any of the licenses for the game, so I can't play at all.
Worse, googling about it only leads to posts fellow Israelis posted on the main forum that got swarmed with racist and antisemitic replies (with of course the blessings of the those forum's moderators).

Ohh well, I got enough MMOs to play right now anyway (DCUO, LOTRO, SWTOR, ESO, Blade&Soul and more :P ).
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Geezer on October 31, 2018, 06:13:22 AM
I had a lot of fun with BDO while playing with my guild (The Older Gamers) but then it all ended when I changed ISP's.  That necessitated a change to my email address.  I had over a half dozen MMO accounts where there was absolutely no trouble changing my email address, except one.  Yep, Pearl Abyss were complete bastards about it.  They were the only ones that required me to open a ticket to make the change.  That would have been OK except they then insisted that I prove who I was by sending them a picture of my current drivers license with the open ticket on my computer screen in the background!  So I did that but they said it wasn't clear enough for them to read even though I could read it fine.  It was very difficult for me to hold my license steady in one hand while taking the pic with my phone in the other hand.  But I tried again and this time they said they could read everything except the expiration date on my license!  I put the date in my ticket but they said nope not good enough, it had to be readable in the pic.  At that point I just told them to go fuck themselves and I haven't played since.  It was all because they wanted me to prove my email address change wasn't due to me selling my account to someone else.  Did they really think I sold my account and then mailed an old expired drivers license to whoever bought my account?!  Ridiculous IMHO.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Tpek on October 31, 2018, 09:40:37 AM
I had a lot of fun with BDO while playing with my guild (The Older Gamers) but then it all ended when I changed ISP's.  That necessitated a change to my email address.  I had over a half dozen MMO accounts where there was absolutely no trouble changing my email address, except one.  Yep, Pearl Abyss were complete bastards about it.  They were the only ones that required me to open a ticket to make the change.  That would have been OK except they then insisted that I prove who I was by sending them a picture of my current drivers license with the open ticket on my computer screen in the background!  So I did that but they said it wasn't clear enough for them to read even though I could read it fine.  It was very difficult for me to hold my license steady in one hand while taking the pic with my phone in the other hand.  But I tried again and this time they said they could read everything except the expiration date on my license!  I put the date in my ticket but they said nope not good enough, it had to be readable in the pic.  At that point I just told them to go fuck themselves and I haven't played since.  It was all because they wanted me to prove my email address change wasn't due to me selling my account to someone else.  Did they really think I sold my account and then mailed an old expired drivers license to whoever bought my account?!  Ridiculous IMHO.

You should get an email account with Google (GMail) or some other such, more reliable, email providers.

This way, when you change ISPs, you won't lose access to all your emails and be forced to change the address everywhere.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Geezer on October 31, 2018, 09:44:36 AM

You should get an email account with Google (GMail) or some other such, more reliable, email providers.

This way, when you change ISPs, you won't lose access to all your emails and be forced to change the address everywhere.

Yup, I switched from an ISP based email to Gmail but it didn't help with BDO.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on October 31, 2018, 04:10:25 PM
I can't really argue with anything you said there, Ysk.  I believe the excessive blurriness was addressed in today's patch.

The character creator is weird in a sense that the characters look so real that if you’re creating a female (I chose Archer) you feel rather uncomfortable to be ‘playing’ with her body measurements. Weird stuff.

Pfft, I had no such qualms.

Booby slider: ---------|
Waist slider:  |---------
Hips slider:    ---------|

Comparing the combat to Diablo is pretty accurate really.  You wade through shitloads of mobs and collect piles of loot, although you generally don't get equipment from mobs (you do turn in their drops for nice rewards though).

Geezer, what a godawful clusterfuck.  Yeah no game is worth that.  While I've never seen it that bad, MMOs do tend to be quite anal about a simple thing like changing email addresses.  Guild Wars 2 had me jump through quite a few hoops once upon a time - one of which was naming a character I had at the time, which I really struggled to remember and had no way of finding out.

(Incidentally, I was a member of TOG's Eve Online corp for a while :) )
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Geezer on October 31, 2018, 04:19:36 PM

...
(Incidentally, I was a member of TOG's Eve Online corp for a while :) )

I've flown with TOG in EVE too.  Geezer-->Andru in the TOG forums.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Yskonyn on November 01, 2018, 10:48:21 AM
Perhaps you noticed, perhaps not, Huw, but I have joined the Guild today. Family name Daventria, character (for now) Madelyf.

I actually figured out the node system today! Good fun.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on November 01, 2018, 12:28:14 PM
Oh that was you, was it?  Yeah I did say hello - my name on Discord is Gryffyd (my family name in the game). :)
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Nefaro on November 04, 2018, 09:41:18 PM

Started a new character (family name Daventria). Lots of new class options from last time I played. The character creator is weird in a sense that the characters look so real that if you’re creating a female (I chose Archer) you feel rather uncomfortable to be ‘playing’ with her body measurements. Weird stuff.
As far as creating the person you have lots op options to tweak, but like Huw mentioned you have little choice in deciding on outfit. Not even on colour of the outfit.
This is definately done to persuade you to start buying costumes in the store.

At least you got to customize your new character a bit.  My first couple characters, created right after the NA release, were stuck on all defaults.   :knuppel2:

Must've been one of the early bugs.  I spent a chunk of time customizing my characters' physical looks but when I entered the game, none of it took.  It just kept dumping myself and others, IIRC, into the game with all the hair, nose, eyes, size, etc all left at the same default. 

While I still kinda enjoyed that new game smell for a bit, it was not a good first impression.  ;D

EDIT:  Ultimately, I think the hectic key-intensive combo system is the reason I stopped playing.  It was interesting but some permanent nerve damage in my left hand made it more challenging.  Plus there was too much overcrowding at the time, which I hope has spread out more evenly by now.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on November 04, 2018, 11:40:31 PM
It depends a lot on which class you play.  I tried creating one of the oriental classes and didn't like all the combinations, but on my Death Knight it's just one key combo per move with barely any that need to be strung together, and it's much more manageable.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 08, 2019, 07:24:20 PM
I'm back into this in a big way!  Here's my Dark Knight, Ffion, galloping around in the beautiful countryside:

(https://i.imgur.com/C6MB43I.jpg)

Two closeups of Ffion:

(https://i.imgur.com/t3rDxXI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Xkx1r0J.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Staggerwing on March 08, 2019, 08:00:57 PM
You wouldn't happen to have her, uh phone number or anything... would you?
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: acctingman on March 08, 2019, 10:51:20 PM
I so want to try this game, but I hate forced pvp more than I hate broccoli
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 09, 2019, 01:22:51 AM
You wouldn't happen to have her, uh phone number or anything... would you?

Ha!  She is beautiful isn't she!

acctingman: For what it's worth, I haven't encountered any PvP at all yet.  It's my understanding that PvP is largely centered around things like node wars and guild wars, where you'd be in a group anyway.  The only time you might get into a one-on-one fight is if you're encroaching on a grind spot that someone else is already using.

I'm sure there are those who gank for the fun of it, but I haven't seen any.

(https://i.imgur.com/BDd0Eas.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/dGeTwdv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/V9cQPb8.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Geezer on March 09, 2019, 03:30:26 AM
I so want to try this game, but I hate forced pvp more than I hate broccoli

FWIW I played a lot of hours of BDO and only recall one time someone tried to gank me.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 09, 2019, 04:50:48 AM
Plus there's a free trial available.  Anyone interested should try it!  You get a mount very early too - only a donkey to begin with, but lower-tier horses are very cheap.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 10, 2019, 04:07:55 AM
God this is a beautiful game:

(https://i.imgur.com/8GqCs86.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/4BnN8DI.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Geezer on March 10, 2019, 05:59:50 AM
She got a real purty mouth ain't she.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 10, 2019, 07:10:46 AM
Exploring the great library in Calpheon, one of the major cities:

(https://i.imgur.com/tnLaSeY.jpg?1)

Standing atop the walls of Calpheon:

(https://i.imgur.com/q8jDDbh.jpg)

I don't know what this procession is all about.  Look - an elephant!

(https://i.imgur.com/ppbc1HN.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 10, 2019, 09:29:17 AM
Standing in the shade of a tree while looking at the Demi River:

(https://i.imgur.com/v7xgfbe.jpg?1)

After a lot of hard riding, finally arriving in the titular desert:

(https://i.imgur.com/qw5WX1H.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 10, 2019, 02:50:10 PM
So...I decided to sell my house in the city and buy a little place on a farm.  That's mine on the upper floor with the windows open (I'll post interior shots when I've decorated a bit):

(https://i.imgur.com/LU40eHp.jpg)

A random shot of the southeast corner of Calpheon City in the distance as I enter the southwest corner.  Yes, it's that big.  Everything you see in these shots are fully traversable by the way.

(https://i.imgur.com/P9eq5hQ.jpg?1)

Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: FlickJax on March 11, 2019, 03:43:52 AM
Looks good I would say though her head looks way too small for her body...
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: acctingman on March 11, 2019, 07:48:28 AM
It is a nice looking game, but I can't stand the Asian anime look (it's worse that the cartoonish WoW look, imo)
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 11, 2019, 11:47:17 AM
(it's worse that the cartoonish WoW look, imo)

Hahaha!  I'd definitely take BDO over "baby's first MMO"  :2funny:

Anyway!  Here's a shot of Ffion riding along the coastline of the ocean:

(https://i.imgur.com/N1yz386.jpg?1)

Also, I decided to learn how to cook!  So here's Ffion being a good girl:

(https://i.imgur.com/CWWliqD.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: acctingman on March 11, 2019, 12:10:54 PM
Maybe the next time it's on sale or F2P, I'll take a look.

Any class recommendations there Poo?
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 11, 2019, 12:24:40 PM
There's always a free trial available on the website - I'm not sure whether it's a full free trial or restricted to the new "Shadow Arena" (which I'm sure you won't be interested in as I think it's a PvP arena).

I can only really speak for the Dark Knight class, since it's the only one I've played much of.  The reason I chose Dark Knight is she's not reliant on combos; combos don't suit my play style at all.  There are plenty of skills with plenty of key combinations, but no particular order you use them in.  Also she does a mixture of close and ranged damage, so there's a bit of everything in there without the pressure of learning long strings of commands.  Suits me down to the ground.

I tried two other classes briefly and I remember liking one and hating the other - I still have the characters so I'll dig them out this evening and see which one I'd recommend.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 11, 2019, 12:56:31 PM
OK I remembered which other class I like - the Lahn.  Behold!

(https://i.imgur.com/6lwGMEo.jpg?1)

This vicious little minx wields a pendulum crescent in her main hand and a sword in her offhand.  She's really fun to fight with.  She swings the pendulum in enormous arcs, giving her insane combat range, and follows up attacks with swift strikes with her sword and even kicks.  It's a joy to behold and should make it easy to plough through huge packs of mobs.

Playing with her for the few minutes I just did almost makes me want to use her as my main, in fact - the class is that fun!
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: acctingman on March 11, 2019, 12:59:50 PM
This game isn't "tab" oriented is it? How do you target in BDO?

Also, from what little I've seen of the combat it looks very action oriented. I hate to say this, but I did like the "clicky" combat style of WoW  :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 11, 2019, 02:11:31 PM
You don't target, or at least not with any class I've used.  Combat is much too fast for that, and the mobs are far too dense.  You're hacking and slashing through whole groups at a time; it wouldn't make sense to target anything.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: acctingman on March 11, 2019, 02:30:57 PM
Thanks for that. I might just pass then. Not a fan of that type of combat. I don't have the reflexes for it  :-[
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Pete Dero on March 19, 2019, 12:09:53 PM
For those who want to try it out :

Play for free until March 25  : https://store.steampowered.com/app/582660/Black_Desert_Online/

and -50% until March 26
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: acctingman on March 19, 2019, 12:15:23 PM
For those who want to try it out :

Play for free until March 25  : https://store.steampowered.com/app/582660/Black_Desert_Online/

and -50% until March 26

Well, crap...I can't say no to "free"
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 19, 2019, 02:14:18 PM
Let me know if you have any questions, BDO can be pretty bloody bewildering at first (and there's a lot I don't know myself yet).

I'll say one thing - the Black Spirit is your friend.  His quest line gives all the gear you'll need all the way to level 50+.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: JasonPratt on March 19, 2019, 02:28:15 PM
So, BDO is basically a much more customizable free-roam x-Warriors game (e.g. Dynasty Warriors) with its own original milieu?

Because I could get into that.  O0
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 19, 2019, 02:47:05 PM
I've no idea Jason, sorry.  BDO is, on the surface, much like other MMOs, with two important exceptions:

1. It's much more complex than most MMOs
2. The combat is fast and furious - somewhere in the middle between standard MMO and Diablo
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Geezer on March 19, 2019, 07:14:41 PM
You have to like to grind to have fun BDO.  After you've done some grinding then you do some more grinding, and some more...  It's fun if you like grinding and probably not fun if you don't.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: JasonPratt on March 19, 2019, 07:23:54 PM
I assume the sexy waifu outfits help the grinding go down easi---- wait.  :-[ :hide:
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: acctingman on March 19, 2019, 09:46:30 PM
I don't think there are many MMO's that don't have a "grind" to them. The main reason I don't like them as much anymore.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: spelk on March 20, 2019, 01:11:06 AM
It runs like arse on the Xbox One.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Yskonyn on March 20, 2019, 01:23:16 AM
The grind is what kills this game for me in the end.

I love the world, graphics, sound and combat, but having to kill several thousand of X or rake in several thousands of Y is just making me feel I am doing chores.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 20, 2019, 11:56:07 AM
So, any MMO ever then? :P

Besides, when have you ever stuck with a game long enough to make it to endgame?  :2funny:
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Rayfer on March 20, 2019, 01:09:50 PM

Besides, when have you ever stuck with a game long enough to make it to endgame?  :2funny:

LOL....that question applies to a good many of us on these forums, myself included.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Yskonyn on March 20, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
So, any MMO ever then? :P

Besides, when have you ever stuck with a game long enough to make it to endgame?  :2funny:

Touche! :D

Though most games I am much more interested in more don't have 'end game', like simulators and strategy games, so bite me!  :hug:

But yes, pretty much any MMO. It took a while for me to figure this out (talking years!), because I often like the premise of building something up with a large group of players while forging a community. The supposed lore of many MMO's sound fantastic at first as well, but the gameplay mechanics get so stale for me after the shiny has weared off. Doing the same f-ing thing over and over.
So I usually jumped to the next new shiny in MMO land, cause it offered me the same short term satisfaction.
No MMO has ever stuck for me, whereas going back to strategy and even more so, simming its just a much more rewarding experience.
As far as RPGs go, I am just much more happy with a handcrafted 'interactive movie' type of thing like Heavy Rain and Detroit: Become Human.
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Huw the Poo on March 20, 2019, 01:27:18 PM
Fair enough matey.  I rarely get to level cap in MMOs to be honest, although I do plan to at least hit 56 in BDO.  I got several characters to the cap in Rift because it was so incredibly good!

For me, MMOs are all about the social.  Even if I'm soloing content, I like that I can still chat and occasionally form up with other players too.  It's weird because I'm totally antisocial in real life!
Title: Re: Black Desert Online
Post by: Yskonyn on March 20, 2019, 05:13:00 PM
Hate to break it to you, Poo-ey, but its nor only ‘out there’ mate.
 :peace: