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Tabletop Gaming, Models, and Minis => Modelling and Miniatures => Topic started by: JudgeDredd on April 08, 2018, 04:22:22 AM

Title: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: JudgeDredd on April 08, 2018, 04:22:22 AM
I don't normally work on two models at the same time, but as I seem to be waiting an age for the PVA to set in the nose of my Vulcan, I thought I'd make a start on this

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/863/40600437034_b28a3c425d_h.jpg)
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: JudgeDredd on April 08, 2018, 05:26:38 AM
I just got that sinking feeling...when you think you've got plenty of paint and realise out of the 13 paints required, you need to buy 11 new ones!!!
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 08, 2018, 06:31:08 AM
Pretty sweet, JD!

Reminds me, I had one just like that, but my proudest model of all was the Enterprise-D from TNG. I painted that thing for a month including all the windows on it, just the right shades. Man it looked purty. :)
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: Nefaro on April 08, 2018, 09:16:10 AM
I just got that sinking feeling...when you think you've got plenty of paint and realise out of the 13 paints required, you need to buy 11 new ones!!!

I get that feeling every time I break out a new set of minis to paint.   :'(

Judging by how quickly you attain and complete kits, I imagine your paint shopping is a steady obsession.  :))
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: JudgeDredd on April 08, 2018, 02:31:47 PM
I just got that sinking feeling...when you think you've got plenty of paint and realise out of the 13 paints required, you need to buy 11 new ones!!!

I get that feeling every time I break out a new set of minis to paint.   :'(
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lol

Judging by how quickly you attain and complete kits, I imagine your paint shopping is a steady obsession.  :))
Really? I make about 2 models a year. This year has been more productive, but mainly because they're 1/72. I've done 3 this year. The Vulcan will be my 4th and the Starship my 5th. If I get the Vulcan and Starship done by June I'll be a happy lad.

The Enterprise has some amount of clear parts. It'll be fitting those, painting the backs of them, gluing the pieces together then masking...probably with liquid mask

And - an added complication - the sprue connections to the parts are really thick, meaning quite a bit of "shaving" is required.
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: SirAndrewD on April 08, 2018, 02:43:01 PM
Does the kit still have those terrible grid lines on the saucer? 
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: JudgeDredd on April 08, 2018, 03:05:07 PM
Yes - it's "over scribed" imo.
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: SirAndrewD on April 08, 2018, 06:34:57 PM
Sad.  That's the thing that's always kept me from getting that kit. 

I almost pulled the trigger on the Polar Lights kit with the full lighting suite a year ago, but decided I didn't want a year working on one project I might not finish completely.
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 08, 2018, 06:57:21 PM
Those grid lines are on the blueprints; they're supposed to be the deflector grid/shield array.  :nerd:
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: SirAndrewD on April 08, 2018, 07:07:52 PM
Those grid lines are on the blueprints; they're supposed to be the deflector grid/shield array.  :nerd:

The grid lines are correct.  How deep and striking they are on the Revell kit is the problem.  They're even more prominent than the refit.

There are some kits with a totally smooth saucer that are equally bothersome.

The Polar Lights kit is the only one I saw that has it perfect. 
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 09, 2018, 06:07:34 AM
Gotcha, I understand. I seem to recall them being very pronounced on a kit I put together many years ago. I personally liked the detail but can see how it's not correct when compared with the actual smooth saucer section of the hull.
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: Rybon66 on April 09, 2018, 04:17:34 PM
Man I built a similar kit in the late 70's.   The poor engines just did not have the strength to stand up to all the battles I fought with it.  I must have reglued them 10 times before I gave it up.   The backyard saw a lot of Klingon die.
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: mirth on April 09, 2018, 04:24:24 PM
My poor bairns!
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: Nefaro on April 09, 2018, 06:03:06 PM
Judging by how quickly you attain and complete kits, I imagine your paint shopping is a steady obsession.  :))
Really? I make about 2 models a year. This year has been more productive, but mainly because they're 1/72. I've done 3 this year. The Vulcan will be my 4th and the Starship my 5th. If I get the Vulcan and Starship done by June I'll be a happy lad.

The Enterprise has some amount of clear parts. It'll be fitting those, painting the backs of them, gluing the pieces together then masking...probably with liquid mask

And - an added complication - the sprue connections to the parts are really thick, meaning quite a bit of "shaving" is required.

Well.. you have been on a roll lately.   :coolsmiley:

As long as it's enjoyable, then it's paint money well spent!
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: SirAndrewD on April 09, 2018, 06:53:56 PM
Gotcha, I understand. I seem to recall them being very pronounced on a kit I put together many years ago. I personally liked the detail but can see how it's not correct when compared with the actual smooth saucer section of the hull.

I read an interesting bit a while ago, nerdy as hell, about the line detail on the shooting model of the TOS Enterprise. 

A few industry model designers and VFX guys had a chance to really take a solid look at the model outside its enclosure, and took some really good pictures of the grids and painted on wear that didn't show up on 60's era film, but were clearly there to the eye. 

There was some question as to whether the grid was actually drawn/painted on, or if it was etched in.  They weren't allowed to touch the surface of the model to find out for obvious reasons.

The final conclusion by modelers aiming for getting close to the shooting model was that the lines should be there, but subtle.

There are some really hardcore modelers that have taken the Revell Kit and with a careful and long process of putty application, had great results. 

I can't go that far myself.  I've done that in the past on commission work, but never on my own. 

Still tempted to one day get this kit though.  I've built Refit and D Enterprise, but never a TOS aside from a tiny snap tight when I was a kid.

Can't wait to see how JD brings it together. 
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: JudgeDredd on April 09, 2018, 11:40:58 PM
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There are some really hardcore modelers that have taken the Revell Kit and with a careful and long process of putty application, had great results. 
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Yeah - I've seen someone fill the lines and re-scribe. That's not the kind of dedication I have. I enjoy building and painting - not re-designing.
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: MikeGER on April 09, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
discussing if the nuts and bolt on a Flying Fortress are in a kit correct is something, but fictive blueprints of a fictive spaceship
Really ???

IIRC the original studio model is on display, so people build a downsized best replica of that studio model

here is the link to judge if a vanilla kit (or a user improved finished model) is close to the studio model   

https://airandspace.si.edu/research/projects/star-trek-starship-enterprise
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: JudgeDredd on April 09, 2018, 11:59:25 PM
^Thanks for that Mike.

Who knew it was that size!!?  :wow:
Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: SirAndrewD on April 10, 2018, 01:04:07 AM
I thought we were discussing building a best downsized version of the studio model Mike.  :nerd:

Thanks for the link.  The August article there was the one I was referring to.  There was another article by one of the attendees about the paint job and application but I can't look for it now.

Title: Re: Revell Starship Enterprise (original series)
Post by: GDS_Starfury on April 10, 2018, 07:04:57 PM
discussing if the nuts and bolt on a Flying Fortress are in a kit correct is something, but fictive blueprints of a fictive spaceship
Really ???

sir, you need to calm down.