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Title: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Cyrano on March 14, 2018, 01:17:02 PM
I figure Vance is coming at me for this one, re: "Old Man Yells at Clouds", but, what nonsense is this?

https://kriegsspieler.blogspot.com/2018/03/dearest-mtg-rule-book.html
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: mirth on March 14, 2018, 01:20:09 PM
These days the kids use that interweb thingy

https://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/rules-and-formats/rules
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Cyrano on March 14, 2018, 01:35:54 PM
A:  Try doing that when you're on your phone (as I did at my FLGS).

B:  THIS IS NOT A RULE BOOK:  http://media.wizards.com/2014/docs/EN_M15_QckStrtBklt_LR_Crop.pdf

C:  This IS a rule book , of a sort, but is over 200 pages long:  http://media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020180119.pdf

Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: mirth on March 14, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
A. You could load them onto a tablet instead of your phone.

B. You could print the rules off before playing.

C. 
(http://edge.alluremedia.com.au/m/g/2016/06/old-man-yells-at-cloud.jpg)
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Cyrano on March 14, 2018, 01:49:12 PM
Got me so mad I'm making typos.

We are going to have a dramatic reading of the 227-page thing on the Grogcast.

Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: mirth on March 14, 2018, 01:51:04 PM
We are going to have a dramatic reading of the 227-page thing on the Grogcast.

Can't wait :P
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Cyrano on March 14, 2018, 01:51:44 PM
C'mon we'll get our load on and have at it.

Brant will love it.

Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: mirth on March 14, 2018, 01:55:48 PM
Anything for ratings ;)
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: JasonPratt on March 14, 2018, 02:18:52 PM
Could be worse. Remember the video tutorials from Microprose's Shandalar game lo these many decades ago? And those were for a very legitimate adaptation of the game.  L:-) :hide:
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: JasonPratt on March 14, 2018, 02:26:41 PM
As for tutorials online: Magic Online, via Steam, provides a good one, including practical examples of the special rules.

Except for the minor problem that the special rule tutorials are broken and so occasionally load up with the wrong cards, making it impossible to do what you're expected to do.  :tickedoff: :uglystupid2: :crazy2: :pullhair:
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Nefaro on March 14, 2018, 04:51:02 PM
Even back in the day, I used to horde those little MtG rulebooks.

Probably still have some dated from as far back as ~94 or 95 packed away along with some cards.   :nerd:

I recall the need to start looking up the living MtG rules back around 2001 or thereabouts.  Those rulebooks never had clarifications of edge cases, and the full online rules had been growing to include those.  I still preferred having a damn physical manual, however, as a first reference and a go to for a rules refresher after a long hiatus. 

If I ever received a board game without a physical rule book, I'd be pissed.  :knuppel2:
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Nefaro on March 14, 2018, 04:54:27 PM
All the more reason to go with LCGs for me, nowadays. 

Mage Wars Academy, Ashes of the Phoenixborn, Netrunner, and all sorts of others coming out nowadays.  You know what you get, with rulebook, and no need to gamble at getting good stuff in randomized boosters.   O0  It's where you probably wanna be if you're the type who just prefers to occasionally buy a pack and casually play.

EDIT:  Hrmm... maybe I'll break out Mage Wars Academy for a head-to-head next week.   :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: BanzaiCat on April 02, 2018, 03:38:43 PM
Cyrano

(https://img.memecdn.com/actually-is-magic-the-gathering_o_2807425.jpg)
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Bison on April 02, 2018, 04:55:43 PM
That meme is inaccurate.  Trap cards are played in yugiho not MtG.
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: JasonPratt on April 02, 2018, 05:11:09 PM
There are plenty of "trap" cards in MtG ...although considering 18K+ cards, maybe only a miniscule fraction of less than a percent, so "plenty" is relative. Like, a few dozen different kinds.

There isn't, yet, a "trap" effect. But, yeah, if someone busts out one of the (relatively) super-rare "trap" cards, that might be pretty gangsta by MtG standards.  :nerd:
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Yskonyn on April 03, 2018, 01:52:29 AM
All the more reason to go with LCGs for me, nowadays. 

Mage Wars Academy, Ashes of the Phoenixborn, Netrunner, and all sorts of others coming out nowadays.  You know what you get, with rulebook, and no need to gamble at getting good stuff in randomized boosters.   O0  It's where you probably wanna be if you're the type who just prefers to occasionally buy a pack and casually play.

EDIT:  Hrmm... maybe I'll break out Mage Wars Academy for a head-to-head next week.   :coolsmiley:

Definately! I am hooked on Netrunner. I've even gotten to the point where my wife seems to be getting more tempted to start playing. Yay!
Jinteki.net is a great option in the mean time to find opponents.
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Nefaro on August 28, 2018, 03:21:51 PM
All the more reason to go with LCGs for me, nowadays. 

Mage Wars Academy, Ashes of the Phoenixborn, Netrunner, and all sorts of others coming out nowadays.  You know what you get, with rulebook, and no need to gamble at getting good stuff in randomized boosters.   O0  It's where you probably wanna be if you're the type who just prefers to occasionally buy a pack and casually play.

EDIT:  Hrmm... maybe I'll break out Mage Wars Academy for a head-to-head next week.   :coolsmiley:

Definately! I am hooked on Netrunner. I've even gotten to the point where my wife seems to be getting more tempted to start playing. Yay!
Jinteki.net is a great option in the mean time to find opponents.

 :-\

FFG stopped making the Netrunner card game recently. 

I still recall enjoying the original late-90s Shadowrun themed CCG that Netrunner is based upon.   RIP all the above.  :buck2:

People have also been speculating about when FFG may finally pull the plug on their long-running Lord of the Rings cooperative LCG.  Netrunner was rather popular for a bit, I guess it dropped with more recent competition.  Can't help but wonder when they'll stop making LotR sets too, despite it's long-running popularity and regularly selling out expansion reprints.  :(
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Cyrano on August 28, 2018, 03:28:33 PM
You must now forge keys made by the Serene Blacksmith of Catty-Wampus.

Richard Garfield has spoken.

So.

Stupid.

Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Dammit Carl! on August 28, 2018, 05:08:09 PM
???

People are so damn dumb.
Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: BanzaiCat on August 29, 2018, 07:22:46 PM
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Title: Re: Seriously, M:TG doesn't come with a rulebook?
Post by: Yskonyn on April 06, 2019, 10:32:14 AM
To necro this cause I wasn't paying attention, but yeah, quite the bummer FFG had to drop Netrunner. Word on the streets is that they didn't really expected it, but aparently WotC killed it by either asking an exorbitant amount of money or just not allowing the contract to be renewed for publishing. Possibly because they want to do something with the Netrunner brand in the near future.

I tried to complete my collection, but the packs were sold out within a mere day or two and no new shipments are expected.

Also, there is a community run entity called NISEI (nisei.net) which has taken the reign of organized play AND they have just released their first new 65 card pack of a new Cycle (2 part cycle, so half we have now)!

Their online presence isn't too obvious however. Stimhack forums seem to have died down quite a bit despite the NISEI effort. Perhaps it takes some time for them to get the spotlight?

EDIT: Did a little further digging.

stimhack.slack.com - seems to be the main online community now
nisei.net - community run organization who unofficially continue Android Netrunner.
http://nisei.net/products/Downfall - Downfall is the new cardset just released by Nisei
http://nisei.net/article/SC2019 - System Core 2019 is the new Core rotation
jinteki.net - Play Netrunner in your browser.