Women and wargaming

[bob48]

^^ooooh you fibber, Geek. You said you had a big one but only got it out on bank holidays.

[bob48]

^^ooooh you fibber, Geek. You said you had a big one but only got it out on bank holidays.

And welcome Crazy Girl.

If you really are crazy, then you've come to the right shop.

[LongBlade]

Welcome, Crazy Girl.

Sorry to say, but at least for me your initial post was tl;dr but we're glad to have you anyway.

Bob is correct, as usual. Sanity is not highly valued here, but we do have a few resident trophy wives - just ask for Star or Gus. They're always on call.

[Crazy Girl]

Someone pass the popcorn.

Don't be so dramatic man. That ain't cool...

My money's on Star.  ;D

Why?

I'm not going to lie to you, I don't know what a Wodin is.

ive got to be honest, neither do we

Guess I'll keep reading those other websites for educational purposes and GrogHeads for pure entertainment.

And welcome Crazy Girl.
If you really are crazy, then you've come to the right shop.

The right shop or stop? Either way, I been reading the forums for months now. I like it here.

Welcome, Crazy Girl.
Sorry to say, but at least for me your initial post was tl;dr but we're glad to have you anyway.
Bob is correct, as usual. Sanity is not highly valued here, but we do have a few resident trophy wives - just ask for Star or Gus. They're always on call.

Sorry, but when people respond with "tl:dr" it makes me feel like they are either too lazy or a bit slow.  :)
No worries, I don't care. Thank you for welcoming me.
Just so you know I am certifiably crazy, but I'm not crazy enough to get married though.
If you'd even bother to read my looooooooooong post, you'd know, and I'll quote myself:
"I’m no one’s show piece. Like a trophy wife/token."
I am not a prize to be won. I am a person, and no I am not a feminist.

[undercovergeek]

Are all married women trophys/prizes?

[LongBlade]

Sorry, but when people respond with "tl:dr" it makes me feel like they are either too lazy or a bit slow.  :)

I'm both, so you're batting 100 so far.

[mirth]

I enjoy a good puppet show, but what does all this have to do with wargaming?

[GJK]

Did this big research project ever stop to think that perhaps wargaming just doesn't interest all but a small slice of the female populace just as drinking wine and painting nails doesn't interest all but a small slice of the male populace?  I think there might of been design decisions that were put into this mix for a reason but we as the creations keep wanting distort the whole thing.

I think the suggestion that most women are preoccupied with "drinking wine and painting nails," coupled with the implication that some supreme being designed men to be wargamers, probably makes my point about welcoming atmosphere/barriers to entry pretty well.

It probably also explains why, when women are in contexts where those views are not held or expressed, they participate in conflict simulations in much larger numbers.

Then why aren't there large numbers of "women wargamers" clubs/groups around the globe?  If the hypothesis is that women do/would enjoy wargaming if it weren't for the "less than friendly" male populace of wargamers, then wouldn't you think that they'd form more hospitable groups to accommodate them?

[undercovergeek]

I enjoy a good puppet show, but what does all this have to do with wargaming?

We wouldn't know - were too busy playing our little boys games whilst the women do the shopping, go to work, make sandwiches and grow moustaches

Like star and gus but more serious and with tampons

[LongBlade]

Then why aren't there large numbers of "women wargamers" clubs/groups around the globe?  If the hypothesis is that women do/would enjoy wargaming if it weren't for the "less than friendly" male populace of wargamers, then wouldn't you think that they'd form more hospitable groups to accommodate them?

In fairness, most wargamers aren't hospitable to many men, either.

[bbmike]

My money's on Star.  ;D

Why?

An inexplicable ability to read people. And, though I've never met him, he's awesome in person and just stupid online just as you said.

[Crazy Girl]

Are all married women trophys/prizes?

No, but all married men are lucky.  :)
(I know some married men that would say they messed up, they are still lucky.)
A trophy is an item. Something you win. People are not objects.
A young, attractive wife regarded as a status symbol for an older man, that's not cool.
What happens to the wife when she is no longer young and attractive?

I'm both, so you're batting 100 so far.

I'm a genius?

I enjoy a good puppet show, but what does all this have to do with wargaming?

Nothing, go back to your game.

Then why aren't there large numbers of "women wargamers" clubs/groups around the globe?  If the hypothesis is that women do/would enjoy wargaming if it weren't for the "less than friendly" male populace of wargamers, then wouldn't you think that they'd form more hospitable groups to accommodate them?

Well isn't that the point? Why can't us girls play with the boys? Like I said in my long rant... I have been discourage time and time again. I play with the girls just fine. It seems that most men don't want the ladies around for whatever reason. But I know that if a men tells a woman, go away because you are a woman, that would be sexist. At the same time, I don't want to be anywhere I am not wanted.

In fairness, most wargamers aren't hospitable to many men, either.

This is so true, I've witness some games that have gotten pretty intense and was pretty happy not to be a part of.

[mirth]

I'll nominate this for the 2016 Grogheads Drama Queen of the Year Award.

[GJK]

Then why aren't there large numbers of "women wargamers" clubs/groups around the globe?  If the hypothesis is that women do/would enjoy wargaming if it weren't for the "less than friendly" male populace of wargamers, then wouldn't you think that they'd form more hospitable groups to accommodate them?

Well isn't that the point? Why can't us girls play with the boys? Like I said in my long rant... I have been discourage time and time again. I play with the girls just fine. It seems that most men don't want the ladies around for whatever reason. But I know that if a men tells a woman, go away because you are a woman, that would be sexist. At the same time, I don't want to be anywhere I am not wanted.

Well my point is; if playing with the boys is unpleasant and you happen to be playing with the girls because of such, do you ever play wargames?  If not, why not?  Does the subject matter not interest you or do you have a preference for other types of games?

I don't buy the argument that "men are pigs/sexist/unpleasant towards women" and thus that's the reason why women aren't playing wargames in great numbers.  Sure, there's many exceptions in both cases but I'll stand by my original point - the overwhelming majority of women just don't care to game a game covering the Stalingrad campaign or WWI trench warfare (as examples) on any sort of regular basis.

[Ubercat]

youre not Wodin are you?

That was my first thought!

Welcome, Crazy Girl! It sounds like you will add a lot (good) to the place.