CONSOLIDATED - Police-related violence / shooting threads

[Gusington]

^I am offended by that.

;D

[airboy]

Story in the Wall St. Journal and other places that US murder rates are up 10%.  First big increase in two decades on year over year data.

[airboy]

In Charlotte they identified the gun possessing the DNA and fingerprints of the shot man as being stolen.  The guy who stole the gun has admitted to selling it to the victim of the shooting.

So the police accounts seem to be accurate.  Black guy had a gun out, refused orders to drop it and got shot.  Rioters burned and destroyed property.

In Tulsa the cop has been charged with Manslaughter.

[Swatter]

The news media in the Charlotte case is acting much as they did in the Michael Brown case. There was an initial narrative put out by people close to the suspect which turned out not to be true. By the time the truth begins to emerge, neighborhoods are already burned down. This anti-police narrative has reached the point of hysteria. I read a post on Quora about a black skinned person wanting to visit the US, but afraid to because they didn't want to be beat and harassed by police.

On the other hand, I think the Tulsa shooting was an example of an unreasonable use of force. This shooting is one of the few true examples of a police officer acting rashly based on skin color (at least partially).

[Sir Slash]

That was a woman killing a man. That's been legal since 'The Burning Bed'. 

[bayonetbrant]

1) this is not a joke; it's actually happening

'Clown Lives Matter' march planned for Oct. 15 in Tucson

2)  best quip I've seen yet:  "I wonder if they're all going to show up in the same car?"

[JasonPratt]

I heard something on Fox News as I was passing by this morning, but have been too distracted to find confirmation yet. What I heard, was that 4 police officers were shot over the weekend, in what seemed like a coordinated strike.  :(

Anyone else heard about that?

[MikeGER]

1) this is not a joke; it's actually happening

'Clown Lives Matter' march planned for Oct. 15 in Tucson

...well, now that leads to an idea for political cartoons about those SJW movements and the media fallout but my artistic skill are way to bad to draw them or photoshop meme, run a humoristic fake webside, and social media accounts that has to come with 'that movement' 

#orclivesmatter  #OLM


(affected human activists helping to organize an peacefully protest marsh forming up to speak out against slaying of  T'rahylvogggosh Martulg'ur...     

^-^

[bayonetbrant]

I heard something on Fox News as I was passing by this morning, but have been too distracted to find confirmation yet. What I heard, was that 4 police officers were shot over the weekend, in what seemed like a coordinated strike.  :(

Anyone else heard about that?

There was one in San Antonio with a detective getting shot in front of police HQ on a traffic stop.

Another in St Louis was apparently a "pre-emptive strike" where a suspect in an earlier crime ended up sitting next to a uniformed cop in traffic and was afraid he'd be recognized and tried to shoot the cop first.  He was later killed in a shootout w/ police when they finally caught up to him.

if there are others, I don't know about them.

[bayonetbrant]

http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/alton_sterling/article_209c1f62-33c7-11e8-a2c8-179ff7c92a3f.html

[bayonetbrant]

some interesting numbers in here

https://www.federalcharges.com/police-shootings-in-america/

[bayonetbrant]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/baltimore-police-stopped-noticing-crime-after-freddie-grays-death-a-wave-of-killings-followed/ar-AAzXVbt?ocid=sf

What's happening in Baltimore offers a view of the possible costs of a remarkable national reckoning over how police officers have treated minorities.

Starting in 2014, a series of racially charged encounters in Ferguson, Missouri; Chicago; Baltimore; and elsewhere cast an unflattering spotlight on aggressive police tactics  toward black people. Since then, cities have been under pressure to crack down on abuses by law enforcement.

So has the U.S. Justice Department. During the Obama administration, the department launched wide-ranging civil rights investigations of troubled police forces, then took them to court to compel reforms. Under President Donald Trump, Washington has largely given up that effort. "If you want crime to go up, let the ACLU run the police department," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said at a gathering of police officials in May.

Whether that scrutiny would cause policing to suffer – or crime to rise – has largely remained an open question.

In Baltimore, at least, the effect on the city's police force was swift and substantial.

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an "on-view," offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent.

"Immediately upon the riot, policing changed in Baltimore, and it changed very dramatically," says Donald Norris, an emeritus professor at the University of Maryland Baltimore County, who reviewed USA TODAY's analysis. "The outcome of that change in policing has been a lot more crime in Baltimore, especially murders, and people are getting away with those murders."

Police officials acknowledge the change. "In all candor, officers are not as aggressive as they once were, pre-2015. It's just that fact," says acting Police Commissioner Gary Tuggle, who took command of Baltimore's police force in May.

Tuggle blames a shortage of patrol officers and the fallout from a blistering 2016 Justice Department investigation that found the city's police regularly violated residents' constitutional rights and prompted new limits on how officers there carry out what had once been routine parts of their job. At the same time, he says, police have focused more of their energy on gun crime and less on smaller infractions.

"We don't want officers going out, grabbing people out of corners, beating them up and putting them in jail," Tuggle says. "We want officers engaging folks at every level. And if somebody needs to be arrested, arrest them. But we also want officers to be smart about how they do that."

[airboy]

^ This is what happens when you let leftists in the judiciary systematically attack police departments.

Even a casual examination of crime statistics (especially violent crime) finds that young males, especially young black males are much more likely to be offenders than other demographic groups.  Logically, police focus their attention on young males, especially black males.

This is highly unfortunate for law abiding black males (the vast majority of black males) who come under police suspicion and have more encounters with the police than other groups.  It sucks, but life is not always fair.

Then Obama comes in and appoints a host of lefty grievance mongers who come down hard on a bunch of police departments.  The police pull back and surprise, surprise - violent crime rate soars.

The police have awesome power.  They must use the power in a reasonable fashion.  When police kill someone in the line of duty in the USA, there is always an investigation.  But hyping something that is extraordinarily rare (unjustified killing of an innocent by police) for political points has backfired on the people most vulnerable to big city crime - the black community.

Add to this witches brew the illegal drug trade, the gang wars behind the drug trade, and the horrible side effects of the "war on drugs" which has been going on for most of my life - it is very bad news.

[Labbug]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/15/massachusetts-police-officer-in-critical-condition-after-being-shot-reports-say.html

According to the story, the police officer was hit with a rock and then shot with his own gun.  He died at the hospital.  An elderly women was also killed.

[airboy]

Far more significant in terms of the death toll are firearms deaths in poor neighborhoods, mostly involving the illegal drug trade.

The death toll in Chicago, Baltimore, etc.... keeps rising. 

Twelve dead in Chicago (another 62 shot) last weekend: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-weekend-violence-20180806-story.html

The only "good" to come from this is the training our military gets in handling gunshot wounds by placing medics/corpsman in trauma wards in big cities.