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The days of the miserable patch process are OVER!!!!

Any word on current owners getting keys or do we have to purchase again if we want them?

Cool!  Hopefully this will mean more sales and more money for the dev team so they can further develop MIUS FRONT.


Oops, looks like they put up some incorrect screenshots on Steam and are showing T-62 tanks. 

no kidding...... do we get keys.....must investigate.

Honestly...I'm thinking of paying again just to support them.

It's go time...

I glanced at  it seems strategy first is the publisher.I don't think Graviteam is with them anymore...thought they self published now. GG shows Graviteam as the publisher. The steam version does have the new logo and name...don't know the setup at this point and can't find any version numbers on steam page. Could strategy first publish a older version that had rights too on steam? Nothing on graviteam site from the makers yet.

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on February 11, 2014, 07:37:41 PM
The days of the miserable patch process are OVER!!!!

Jeezus --  this is fantastic news.   :)

I would be wary of something released by strategy first on Steam.

I believe they just released a week or two ago a game that was not anywhere near finished.

It turned out the developers weren't even dealing with them anymore and it was an old build.

I do not remember the game but it was posted about on RPS.

Some one on SIMHQ said that they got an email from Andrey, so it might be legit.

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on February 11, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Honestly...I'm thinking of paying again just to support them.

I agree 100%

I will uninstall my previously purchased version of operation star and the prophet one and re purchase on steam. It's worth it to not have to play "puzzle solver 2.0" everytime a patch comes out!

Hmm, it is slightly concerning that there's nothing about this on the Graviteam site -- at least the English section.

The dev. listing of Strategy First does seem a little strange...


Not many games I'd consider buying again just to support the devs, but this is one.  Having it on Steam will be great -- if the current offering on the up and up - ?

Dolan, you're the GTOS authority -- any insight on this?

Graviteam never mentioned this about Steam.
And the only thing I know about Strategy First is they sell the old versions of this game.
Gamersgate is the preferred distributor of this game by Graviteam from what I understand.


Until Andrey mentions this on the Graviteam forums or SimHQ I would be wary of this version of the game on Steam.

I'll ask Andrey about this on the graviteam forum.

I know there has been talk of a multi player aspect being added to Mius Front but nothing definite has been agreed on by Graviteam and Andrey is still convinced that only 1 in 10 people who own the game will be interested in this type of venue for the game.

if its legit - im in - the weird patch process has kept me away

Saw this on the steam forums where the person claimed to get this info from the company...not sure if accurate or not.

***info***

I sent an email to Graviteam and got a reply from Vladimir Zayarni, the CEO.

They do officially support this product and it was put on here under contract with Strategy First.

The current contract is for Graviteam's strategy games, specifically the game Operation Star and the addons Sokolovo and Volokonovka.

In the future there will be newer DLC.

After that they'll be waiting for a royalty report from Strategy First on the sale figures from Steam.

RPS pulled down the article regarding Strategy First not paying royalties and putting stuff on Steam without having the right to do so. The only left of the article is the URL

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/02/05/new-developers-report-no-payments-from-strategy-first/

which is interesting.

Without word from Graviteam confirming this was done with their consent, I would say PASS.

PS: Just saw Grim.Reaper post. I will personally wait until they get their cheque. I would hate to be subsidizing the dodgiest publisher around, right after Kalypso Media...

Quote from: undercovergeek on February 12, 2014, 12:59:11 AM
if its legit - im in - the weird patch process has kept me away

Ditto. Glad I waited! But I'm torn between this and the Matrix release today of Heroes of Stalingrad. Can't afford both!!??

i dont think its legit - id lean toward HoS were i you

Sounds like it's reasonably legit at this point -- Graviteam has weighed in (after their fashion) and have given their blessing.

Folks that have been on the fence about GTOS -- Steam *is* the answer. The patching process was a massive headache, and Steam should make keeping the game up to date a snap.

Fans of the Combat Mission / Theatre of War / Panzer Command games really need to give this a try. At $25 it's a no brainer.

but strategy first  :o  ???

I don't think SF offers the up to date patched version of this game.
I could be wrong but I would wait on purchasing APOS/GTOS from SF until the issue has been verified.

Andrey mentioned before that they never had very good relations with SF and I'm not sure if they patched up that relationship with a new deal or if SF has just found a new venue to offer the older version of this game.

Official word from Graviteam.
Not much in the detail department though.

February, 11 2014

Now available on Steam:


1. "Graviteam Tactics: Operation Star"
http://store.steampowered.com/app/275290


Best Regards,
Vladimir Zayarniy
CEO GRAVITEAM

https://twitter.com/graviteam
https://www.facebook.com/Graviteam
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSupLxIuiiJ4Yq4oWq4Fsaw


P.S. Oficial "Software License and Distribution Agreement" - Graviteam and Strategy First
may be coming soon NEW Graviteam Games on Steam....( wait reports steam..)

P.S.S. Now ADD new video. Coming soon new screenshots

Quote from: Rayfer on February 12, 2014, 08:10:05 AM
... But I'm torn between this and the Matrix release today of Heroes of Stalingrad. Can't afford both!!??

go for HoS, if you like that kind of game
(i was on the beta so i had a chance to spend some time with it  :) ) 
Operation Star is good but not so unique and its competitor Combat Mission Red Thunder is behind the horizon (4 weeks) but most important at Steam titles like Operation Star will be on sale from time to time very soon, while it will take some considerable amount of time until HoS will be in on sale at Matrix (Thanksgiving, if your were lucky the earliest and thats only with a small probability)

Andrey posted this over at SimHQ.  Sounds like SF just went ahead with the Steam release on their own.

Quote from: andrey12345
1) Steam version is from Startegy First publisher, not Graviteam itself
2) Probably (I hope) the same as GG version w/o dec13a patch.
3) I hope standard game updater still works...
4) We dont have a Steam version from Steam now and dont see what is it.

Quote from: MikeGER on February 12, 2014, 12:10:36 PM

Quote from: Rayfer on February 12, 2014, 08:10:05 AM
... But I'm torn between this and the Matrix release today of Heroes of Stalingrad. Can't afford both!!??

go for HoS, if you like that kind of game
(i was on the beta so i had a chance to spend some time with it  :) ) 
Operation Star is good but not so unique and its competitor Combat Mission Red Thunder is behind the horizon (4 weeks) but most important at Steam titles like Operation Star will be on sale from time to time very soon, while it will take some considerable amount of time until HoS will be in on sale at Matrix (Thanksgiving, if your were lucky the earliest and thats only with a small probability)

Good points....I'm tilting in that direction, especially having played a lot of the Squad Leader boardgame way back in the late 70's.  And the Steam sales occur quite often.

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 12, 2014, 01:00:16 PM
Andrey posted this over at SimHQ.  Sounds like SF just went ahead with the Steam release on their own.

Quote from: andrey12345
1) Steam version is from Startegy First publisher, not Graviteam itself
2) Probably (I hope) the same as GG version w/o dec13a patch.
3) I hope standard game updater still works...
4) We dont have a Steam version from Steam now and dont see what is it.

I'm under the same impression.
Andrey had mentioned before that he never knew what SFs plans where concerning this game since they have very little contact with them.
As far as he knows they still have the rights to the older version of APOS and the Volokonovka DLC and maybe Sokolovo but not the current versions that Gamersgate sells.

If Vladimir the CEO at Graviteam made a new deal with SF concerning Steam,Andrey seems to be in the dark about it.
I think even if a deal has been made it's conditional and may not suit either parties involved in the long run.

Graviteam is a self publisher and is very wary of turning over exclusive rights to their products after being burned by other companies in the past and also have a history of being very single minded when determining the direction they want this series to take.

I don't think you will be seeing automatically patched and updated versions thru Steam any time soon considering what has transpired in the past.

Quote from: Dolan50 on February 12, 2014, 01:28:05 PM

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 12, 2014, 01:00:16 PM
Andrey posted this over at SimHQ.  Sounds like SF just went ahead with the Steam release on their own.

Quote from: andrey12345
1) Steam version is from Startegy First publisher, not Graviteam itself
2) Probably (I hope) the same as GG version w/o dec13a patch.
3) I hope standard game updater still works...
4) We dont have a Steam version from Steam now and dont see what is it.

I don't think you will be seeing automatically patched and updated versions thru Steam any time soon considering what has transpired in the past.

And this uncertainty is what is keeping me from buying....it's the automatic patching, update versions and dlc ease of adding on that is what makes it appealing on Steam.  At least for me it is. If we don't get them, then why bother?

Quoteit's the automatic patching, update versions and dlc ease of adding on that is what makes it appealing on Steam.

I think the Steam/SF deal may be an initial step in that direction,but don't quote me on this.

I was more hopeful that Graviteam was courting SF and Steam for adding a Multi player aspect to this game.

It's still too early to determine exactly what this new deal means and I understand that the lack of an automatic updating service and players manual are big turn-offs to a lot of potential customers but I think Graviteam is at least taking steps to address this issue.

The game has the potential to appeal to a mass audience with the right backer that has some real money to invest,but to tell you the truth I don't think SF is it. I could be wrong and hope I am,as I truly look forward to being able to play this game online against other players as dedicated to this game as much as I am.

In some respects I don't mind about the lack of an automatic updater as it would probably weed out the novice noobs that generally ruin most online games for me,but the Graviteam community is a pretty hard core and tight knit community and I would enjoy very much sharing some online east front action gaming with them.

Regardless,whatever Graviteam decides is alright with me since I've been very pleased with everything they've done so far-except Zhalanashkol,wasn't interested in that DLC.

Quote from andrey(lead developer at Graviteam)

QuoteGTOS sold in many places, not all is Graviteam's.
We sold directly throught Impulse, Desura and GamersGate.

Matrix or Steam are publishers selling, and we cant get and give keys or serials from this places.

Quote from: Dolan50 on February 12, 2014, 05:43:30 PM
Quote from andrey(lead developer at Graviteam)

QuoteGTOS sold in many places, not all is Graviteam's.
We sold directly throught Impulse, Desura and GamersGate.

Matrix or Steam are publishers selling, and we cant get and give keys or serials from this places.

Clears that right up. 

Thanks for the info.

75% discount on GTOS and all DLC (ENG & RUS)
February 24 to March 3

http://graviteam.ua/home/news/51-discounts-feb-mar-2014.html

These discounts are at Gamersgate

I think I'll finally buy Shivolo with this sale.

Wonder how the dev team is doing?  Their offices are in Kharkov, right? Anyone know if the unrest hit there?

My feeble mind still struggles with this thread....does the Steam version fully patch itself without having to go through that convoluted process that has been thoroughly discussed and explained in other threads? And, are the dlc's available through Steam as well?

I don't have the steam version,but from what I understand the Base game is fully patched and sold at steam and the DLCs will have to be purchased at GamersGate.

QuoteWonder how the dev team is doing?  Their offices are in Kharkov, right? Anyone know if the unrest hit there?

I think Kharkov is in the Putin camp and support the Russian Federation.

Quote from: Rayfer on February 24, 2014, 07:40:52 PM
My feeble mind still struggles with this thread....does the Steam version fully patch itself without having to go through that convoluted process that has been thoroughly discussed and explained in other threads? And, are the dlc's available through Steam as well?

Yeah, I didn't think it was possible for this game to become mechanically more difficult to get up and running... Yet here we are with an added element of confusion.

Quote from: mikeck on February 24, 2014, 10:35:56 PM

Quote from: Rayfer on February 24, 2014, 07:40:52 PM
My feeble mind still struggles with this thread....does the Steam version fully patch itself without having to go through that convoluted process that has been thoroughly discussed and explained in other threads? And, are the dlc's available through Steam as well?

Yeah, I didn't think it was possible for this game to become mechanically more difficult to get up and running... Yet here we are with an added element of confusion.

No one's forcing you to buy.
Buy something else then.

In glorious Ukraine, You don't play Graviteam Tactics, Graviteam Tactics plays you!!

Quote from: Dolan50 on February 24, 2014, 11:06:39 PM

Quote from: mikeck on February 24, 2014, 10:35:56 PM

Quote from: Rayfer on February 24, 2014, 07:40:52 PM
My feeble mind still struggles with this thread....does the Steam version fully patch itself without having to go through that convoluted process that has been thoroughly discussed and explained in other threads? And, are the dlc's available through Steam as well?

Yeah, I didn't think it was possible for this game to become mechanically more difficult to get up and running... Yet here we are with an added element of confusion.

No one's forcing you to buy.
Buy something else then.

I have always wanted this game and drool over the aar's and screenshots, I am just not computer literate and was hoping the Steam version would make the patch process easy. I realize no one is forcing me into anything.

Quote from: Rayfer on February 25, 2014, 09:28:15 AM

Quote from: Dolan50 on February 24, 2014, 11:06:39 PM

Quote from: mikeck on February 24, 2014, 10:35:56 PM

Quote from: Rayfer on February 24, 2014, 07:40:52 PM
My feeble mind still struggles with this thread....does the Steam version fully patch itself without having to go through that convoluted process that has been thoroughly discussed and explained in other threads? And, are the dlc's available through Steam as well?

Yeah, I didn't think it was possible for this game to become mechanically more difficult to get up and running... Yet here we are with an added element of confusion.

No one's forcing you to buy.
Buy something else then.

I have always wanted this game and drool over the aar's and screenshots, I am just not computer literate and was hoping the Steam version would make the patch process easy. I realize no one is forcing me into anything.

I'm thinking it would be worth to buy again through Steam, if it would be self updating!

Quote from: Tuna on February 26, 2014, 10:22:27 AM

I'm thinking it would be worth to buy again through Steam, if it would be self updating!

It's obviously not the latest versions so I wouldn't bother.

 


andrey12345   2 hours ago   

Now GT try to adopt game to STEAM tech. At first achievements and stats will be available in STEAM.

Change log from dec13a standalone patch to future STEAM patch

--- March 2014 ---
1) The algorithm for squad placement for AI in ambush mode was changed.
2) Added restriction on the minimum distance for the crews leaving vehicles.
3) The level of command is not reduced if all units can't execute the order.
4) Adjusted ammunition layout for T-34 and OT-34 tanks.
5) Fixed a bug with the display for accum damage in statistics.
6) STEAM support.

Quote from: Dolan50 on March 10, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
 


andrey12345   2 hours ago   

Now GT try to adopt game to STEAM tech. At first achievements and stats will be available in STEAM.

Change log from dec13a standalone patch to future STEAM patch

--- March 2014 ---
1) The algorithm for squad placement for AI in ambush mode was changed.
2) Added restriction on the minimum distance for the crews leaving vehicles.
3) The level of command is not reduced if all units can't execute the order.
4) Adjusted ammunition layout for T-34 and OT-34 tanks.
5) Fixed a bug with the display for accum damage in statistics.
6) STEAM support.

Not at all clear to me on what those first three lines mean in context to the question of whether the Steam version will update the game to the latest version and remove the complexities of adding dlc's and patches?

^agreed. Every time Andrey opens his mouth, the situation becomes more cryptic and I am left more confused.

QuoteNot at all clear to me on what those first three lines mean in context to the question of whether the Steam version will update the game to the latest version and remove the complexities of adding dlc's and patches?

I don't know.
I can only assume that with the new March patch that Graviteam is trying to adapt the game to the way Steam does patches and updates.

I don't have any games on my Steam account except for a few demos,so I won't be the one that will be verifying this if that is what Andrey is alluding to.

Lately He hasn't been posting much of anything and the March patch is news to me that I happened on in the Steam forum.
The March patch was never advertised on the Graviteam forum page.

Quote from: Dolan50 on February 24, 2014, 11:06:39 PM

Quote from: mikeck on February 24, 2014, 10:35:56 PM

Quote from: Rayfer on February 24, 2014, 07:40:52 PM
My feeble mind still struggles with this thread....does the Steam version fully patch itself without having to go through that convoluted process that has been thoroughly discussed and explained in other threads? And, are the dlc's available through Steam as well?

Yeah, I didn't think it was possible for this game to become mechanically more difficult to get up and running... Yet here we are with an added element of confusion.

No one's forcing you to buy.
Buy something else then.

? How does my comment on the confusion at steam translate into me complaining that I have to buy it exactly? If it were available on Steam (full game and DLC) I would buy it again just for convenience. No need for hostility here

Quote? How does my comment on the confusion at steam translate into me complaining that I have to buy it exactly? If it were available on Steam (full game and DLC) I would buy it again just for convenience. No need for hostility here

What do you want from me man?
I'm not affiliated with the game and only use this forum to pass on any info posted in other forums.
I try to help anyone having problems updating,but if your not happy and can't be bothered with the current way then you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you have a problem in the future take it up with Graviteam.

Quote from: Dolan50 on March 10, 2014, 08:18:28 PM

Quote? How does my comment on the confusion at steam translate into me complaining that I have to buy it exactly? If it were available on Steam (full game and DLC) I would buy it again just for convenience. No need for hostility here

What do you want from me man?
I'm not affiliated with the game and only use this forum to pass on any info posted in other forums.
I try to help anyone having problems updating,but if your not happy and can't be bothered with the current way then you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you have a problem in the future take it up with Graviteam.

Dude...chill. I commented on the situation with the site (steam) and your response was to pack sand. I've not asked you for anything or to solve any problem. I then reiterated that if the game comes out in steam I would buy it for convenience purposes...that's it. Don't tase me bro

Quote from: mikeck on March 10, 2014, 10:32:22 PM

Quote from: Dolan50 on March 10, 2014, 08:18:28 PM

Quote? How does my comment on the confusion at steam translate into me complaining that I have to buy it exactly? If it were available on Steam (full game and DLC) I would buy it again just for convenience. No need for hostility here

What do you want from me man?
I'm not affiliated with the game and only use this forum to pass on any info posted in other forums.
I try to help anyone having problems updating,but if your not happy and can't be bothered with the current way then you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you have a problem in the future take it up with Graviteam.

Dude...chill. I commented on the situation with the site (steam) and your response was to pack sand. I've not asked you for anything or to solve any problem. I then reiterated that if the game comes out in steam I would buy it for convenience purposes...that's it. Don't tase me bro

I don't think you even play the game.
So why would you bother buying it again if Steam offered it?

Then you get all faux hurt and say this" I then reiterated that if the game comes out in steam I would buy it for convenience purposes...that's it."

"Yeah, I didn't think it was possible for this game to become mechanically more difficult to get up and running... Yet here we are with an added element of confusion."

Uhmm...No....that wasn't just it.But, if you want to play the poor victim of a drive by go ahead.

Dude...Do you even read some of the things you write?

Regardless, you're a novice at a game that requires more effort than you're willing to put into it.
It's not Rome II. Sorry!

So he will be updating GT on Steam??   I thought it was just an old version from the publisher hosted there, not being updated.   ???


As for purchasing an extra copy of GT on Steam, for convenience purposes, I can absolutely see the reasoning behind it.  I would possibly do so myself, if it were priced decently.  I'd call that a win-win situation for everyone involved since the developer gets extra voluntary money from customers who already own it and the customers get a copy that cuts out the update process, and some achievements, at a good price. 

I think it would be good for everyone involved.  No need to get angry and argue about it.  More purchasing options is always better.  ;)

Ok enough. Both of you move on. Dolan, you clearly have a passion for Graviteam tactics. I know how you feel. I love it too.  However, It won't be everyone's cup of tea, and some May like it, but not as fervently as you or I. It's a truth that many people dislike and have problems with the patching system. While you are free to defend the game and system, I do think you get overly defensive.

Please try to be more tolerant of feedback that differs from your own where this particular game is concerned. It's hard, but we're all good people here, no need for blue on blue.

Quote from: Dolan50 on March 11, 2014, 04:20:16 AM

Quote from: mikeck on March 10, 2014, 10:32:22 PM

Quote from: Dolan50 on March 10, 2014, 08:18:28 PM

Quote? How does my comment on the confusion at steam translate into me complaining that I have to buy it exactly? If it were available on Steam (full game and DLC) I would buy it again just for convenience. No need for hostility here

What do you want from me man?
I'm not affiliated with the game and only use this forum to pass on any info posted in other forums.
I try to help anyone having problems updating,but if your not happy and can't be bothered with the current way then you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you have a problem in the future take it up with Graviteam.

Dude...chill. I commented on the situation with the site (steam) and your response was to pack sand. I've not asked you for anything or to solve any problem. I then reiterated that if the game comes out in steam I would buy it for convenience purposes...that's it. Don't tase me bro

I don't think you even play the game.
So why would you bother buying it again if Steam offered it?

Then you get all faux hurt and say this" I then reiterated that if the game comes out in steam I would buy it for convenience purposes...that's it."

"Yeah, I didn't think it was possible for this game to become mechanically more difficult to get up and running... Yet here we are with an added element of confusion."

Uhmm...No....that wasn't just it.But, if you want to play the poor victim of a drive by go ahead.

Dude...Do you even read some of the things you write?

Regardless, you're a novice at a game that requires more effort than you're willing to put into it.
It's not Rome II. Sorry!

Edit: did not see Jarhead's request until after responding so I deleted my comments per his request.

Did they ever patch in the ability to save mid-battle? That was the one thing that always held me back from getting this.

By patch the save, do you mean the ability to have multiple saves (i.e. at different stages of the battle)?  If so, Andrey  is adamant that GTOS won't feature that.  I find it completely absurd for reasons I've written about elsewhere.  The terrible save-game functionality of GTOS is even worse than the patching process, IMO -- a serious blemish on an otherwise superb game.

No, my understanding has always been that you could never save during a battle at all, even though it may take an hour or more.

Actually you can save during a battle, but next time you start the game, you MUST load the save file to continue the battle. If you start another operation without loading the save file, you will lose the save file for good. So really only one save file at a time.

That's what I think happens.

Quote from: MikeGER on February 12, 2014, 12:10:36 PM
Operation Star is good but not so unique and its competitor Combat Mission Red Thunder is behind the horizon (4 weeks)

I would merely observe that whilst the CM, and APOS series might appear very similar, they both have some unique strengths that make them very different gameplay experiences - both in a good way, I would add! :D If you like the period, and can afford it, buy both. I find the user interface for CM much easier, and the graphics less demanding on my computer (CM seems to support larger actions better in comparison due to the graphics issues that can occur with larger forces in APOS) -I've had my German infantry in APOS "skating" as they ran due to poor FPS - but with a lot of tweaking it later wasn't so much an issue. On the APOS plus side the way the "campaign" element works is a really great feature, and I wouldn't be unhappy if at some stage Battlefront did something like Graviteam have in that regard. 8)

A few items that will be in the new March14 patch.

March 2014 ---
1) The algorithm for squad placement for AI in ambush mode was changed.
2) Added restriction on the minimum distance for the crews leaving vehicles.
3) The level of command is not reduced if all units can't execute the order.
4) Adjusted ammunition layout for T-34 and OT-34 tanks.
5) Fixed a bug with the display for accum damage in statistics.
6) STEAM support.

I know it's April but the patches are named for the month that they were first worked on not released.
No word yet as to when the March patch will be released.

Quote from: Dolan50 on April 09, 2014, 03:33:12 PM
A few items that will be in the new March14 patch.

March 2014 ---
1) The algorithm for squad placement for AI in ambush mode was changed.
2) Added restriction on the minimum distance for the crews leaving vehicles.
3) The level of command is not reduced if all units can't execute the order.
4) Adjusted ammunition layout for T-34 and OT-34 tanks.
5) Fixed a bug with the display for accum damage in statistics.
6) STEAM support.

I know it's April but the patches are named for the month that they were first worked on not released.
No word yet as to when the March patch will be released.

Does this mean Steam will always be updated?

QuoteDoes this mean Steam will always be updated?

Quote from Andrey lead developer at Graviteam-
"I hope Steam patch coming soon (and then regular March 14 patch).

We managed to overcome STEAM style patches (had to spend two weeks), and Steam patch will be like the regular version, through gaming update utility  Grin but still delivered through Steam service.

And I hope DLCs coming soon.

P.S. You can freely use any combination from any sources (GG/Steam/etc) for patches, mods or DLCs"

I'm going to say yes, but I really don't know since I don't have the game on Steam.

Sounds like they're saying that you patch over your Steam install manually if you want the latest before the auto update is available.

I know some people think the patching process is simple, but I think muscle memory is kicking in here.  The Steam thing just adds that one more level of fog to an already headache worthy patching process.

is it possible to register a (i think it was Gamersgate?) version and some DLC from there at Steam ? ...and from now on Steam does the updates.... well, of course  for the price that the Steam-patches maybe will get a few days / weeks later released? OS patching was a PIA as far as i remeber

So...if I purchase the Steam version, it won't auto update and I have to manually install? One of the advantages of STEAM is that I don't have to screw with patches

Quote from: mikeck on April 10, 2014, 11:37:08 AM
So...if I purchase the Steam version, it won't auto update and I have to manually install? One of the advantages of STEAM is that I don't have to screw with patches

LOL...I believe this may have been asked before (maybe in another thread?)  and I am still awaiting a definitive answer!

I'm willing to repurchase everything of Steam patching is automatic and up to date. I have no drive to reinstall this thing in my new computer.

I went ahead and purchased  the steam version. Unfortunately it does not have any of the DLC's but at least I can play the bass game without ripping my hair out trying to patch and reinstall everything in order. I mean seriously why is a simple executable that difficult?  double-click, patch installs itself off you go!

In the end, it's always worth it as GTOP is a great game

New features (part2A)
http://youtu.be/-eCET3VCztU

New vid, part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPQA5-VWVXU

Andrey released another small video showing smoke grenades used by infantry.
Artillery,tanks and mortars were the only units that could generate smoke before.
Finally,been waiting on these for awhile. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w7DpE9Ou9I

Dolan, when is the Mius expansion coming out? Is it DLC or a standalone?

Andrey still hasn't given a release date yet. >:(

It will be a new game with a new engine and have it's own DLCs.
From what I understand it will not be compatible with GTOS, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of the things in GTOS will be ported over to Mius Front.

So far I've only heard Andrey mention 2 DLCs for Mius Front.
Nomanhan-Mongolia 1939 (Soviet/Japanese) and a summer DLC about a battle near Kharkov in 1943 featuring the Panther tank and the GrossDeutschland division and maybe a summer 1942 battle near Leningrad called Sinyavino if they can get the map issues they are having fixed.

Advance w/o contact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGv5QYmQT0c

New patch beta
http://www.graviteam.com/AP-STAR/gtos_patch_may14_eng.gt2extension

CHANGE LOG
------------------------------------
--- May 2014 ---
1) The algorithm for squad placement for AI in ambush mode was changed.
2) Added restriction on the minimum distance for the crews leaving vehicles.
3) The level of command is not reduced if all units can't execute the order.
4) Adjusted ammunition layout for T-34 and OT-34 tanks.
5) Fixed a bug with the display for accum damage in statistics.
6)BS-41 bullets added in all ATR team's ammo crates (under the threat of a tank attack).
7) Several checks for algorithm of calculating the weights of squares to determine victory/lose in tactical combat.

http://www.graviteam.com/AP-STAR/readme_gtos_patch_may14_eng.txt

Smoke, Smoke and Smoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZIzjy6vEk

These are some other new features to look forward too once Mius Front is released.
Still no word on when yet though.  :(

Been awhile since I played GT:OS.

Think I may load it all up on my newest computer after this patch comes out of beta.  :D

Not much with the new patch added.
I generally wait until the uniform mod gets updated to the new patches before I install them in my game.

Quote from: Dolan50 on April 28, 2014, 07:37:18 PM
Not much with the new patch added.
I generally wait until the uniform mod gets updated to the new patches before I install them in my game.

I haven't fired it up since sometime last year and there are still regular patches.  It's probably best to start it up after an official one is released so that I have plenty of time before the next one to finish a campaign.

Thinking of getting this on Steam but, have a couple of questions.

1. Is the Steam version compatible with non-Steam DLC's?

2. Does anyone know if the other DLC/Expansions (only see Volokonovka 1942) are coming to Steam?

Quote from: SgtRock on June 20, 2014, 08:58:34 AM
Thinking of getting this on Steam but, have a couple of questions.

1. Is the Steam version compatible with non-Steam DLC's?

2. Does anyone know if the other DLC/Expansions (only see Volokonovka 1942) are coming to Steam?

I'm pretty sure the non-steam DLC's are not compatible with the Steam version of the game.  I do not think it has been revealed whether Steam will be getting the other DLCs, but you'd think it would happen eventually.

I found it cheaper in strategy first sale (Steam Key) - http://www.strategyfirst.com/

I wonder what the chances are of getting Graviteam to issue Steam keys for all the games they have sold through Gamersgate?

Quote from: Philippe on June 20, 2014, 10:35:02 AM
I wonder what the chances are of getting Graviteam to issue Steam keys for all the games they have sold through Gamersgate?

Zero.  They have already opined on that.

Quote from: FlickJax on June 20, 2014, 10:04:35 AM
I found it cheaper in strategy first sale (Steam Key) - http://www.strategyfirst.com/

I didn't know Strategy First was still in business!

No, it's cheaper on Steam, too bad all of the Graviteam versions/DLC's aren't on Steam!

- Operation Star - $7.49
- Volokonovka 1942 - $3.64

Quote from: SgtRock on June 20, 2014, 11:41:11 AM

Quote from: FlickJax on June 20, 2014, 10:04:35 AM
I found it cheaper in strategy first sale (Steam Key) - http://www.strategyfirst.com/

I didn't know Strategy First was still in business!

No, it's cheaper on Steam, too bad all of the Graviteam versions/DLC's aren't on Steam!

- Operation Star - $7.49
- Volokonovka 1942 - $3.64

Its cheaper in Pounds as Steam uses a crap exchange rate.

I really hope that they go all in with Steam for their new game and improve the UI.

Loved the game, but never got full hang of UI. And I pay to play not chore with downloading updates.

Oh... and they really need to sort night battles so we can see something  ;D

I love the night battles. Confusing as all hell, but the tracers and fire is truly a thing of beauty. Watching vehicles and bodies burn in the aftermath is extremely immersive and thought provoking. No other game has this kind of atmosphere.  I posted a bunch of screenshots from a fierce night engagement in our screenshot thread a few months ago. Check 'em out!

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 21, 2014, 06:34:14 AM
I love the night battles. Confusing as all hell, but the tracers and fire is truly a thing of beauty. Watching vehicles and bodies burn in the aftermath is extremely immersive and thought provoking. No other game has this kind of atmosphere.  I posted a bunch of screenshots from a fierce night engagement in our screenshot thread a few months ago. Check 'em out!

I hear you.  :D Loved it when flares popped and fire fights broke out  8)  Not the patrolling around too much trying to advance to contact etc especially when force-space ratios were low.

Gamersgate has all the Graviteam Tactics stuff on sale for 75% off.  Just make sure you select the English language version and not Russian as they're selling both.

http://www.gamersgate.com/games?state=available&filter=publisher:3561&prio=topsellers (http://www.gamersgate.com/games?state=available&filter=publisher:3561&prio=topsellers)

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 24, 2014, 08:07:07 AM
Gamersgate has all the Graviteam Tactics stuff on sale for 75% off.  Just make sure you select the English language version and not Russian as they're selling both.

http://www.gamersgate.com/games?state=available&filter=publisher:3561&prio=topsellers (http://www.gamersgate.com/games?state=available&filter=publisher:3561&prio=topsellers)

I had an issue with gamersgate years ago, zero support and have never done business with them again.

Quote from: SgtRock on June 24, 2014, 08:57:25 AM

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 24, 2014, 08:07:07 AM
Gamersgate has all the Graviteam Tactics stuff on sale for 75% off.  Just make sure you select the English language version and not Russian as they're selling both.

http://www.gamersgate.com/games?state=available&filter=publisher:3561&prio=topsellers (http://www.gamersgate.com/games?state=available&filter=publisher:3561&prio=topsellers)

I had an issue with gamersgate years ago, zero support and have never done business with them again.

My experience has been much the opposite.. in two separate cases.  Unlike Steam Support which was useless as tits on a bull.

Same for me.  The few times I've had a problem with Gamersgate, they provided personalized support and resolved the issue to my satisfaction in a reasonable time frame (one was a bit slow as it occurred over the Christmas holidays and none of those damned Swedes were working).  I don't think there is such a thing as Steam Support. 

Very tempting with the entire set costing only $34

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 24, 2014, 09:21:21 AM
Same for me.  The few times I've had a problem with Gamersgate, they provided personalized support and resolved the issue to my satisfaction in a reasonable time frame (one was a bit slow as it occurred over the Christmas holidays and none of those damned Swedes were working).  I don't think there is such a thing as Steam Support.

I agree.. Gamersgate responds.. Steam Support.. LOL

Im going to have to get this.

Quote from: Tuna on June 24, 2014, 04:54:54 PM

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 24, 2014, 09:21:21 AM
Same for me.  The few times I've had a problem with Gamersgate, they provided personalized support and resolved the issue to my satisfaction in a reasonable time frame (one was a bit slow as it occurred over the Christmas holidays and none of those damned Swedes were working).  I don't think there is such a thing as Steam Support.

I agree.. Gamersgate responds.. Steam Support.. LOL

I've never had a problem with Gamersgate support - quite the opposite. Sometimes it's a little slow if they're busy, but at least it's personalised and issues are treated intelligently. O0 I can't say the same for Steam support, which IMHO is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.  :buck2:

Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 24, 2014, 09:57:01 PM
Im going to have to get this.

It's a really god game IMHO, and very immersive.

Angolan War DLC is tempting me.

Quote from: fabius on June 25, 2014, 01:52:46 PM
Angolan War DLC is tempting me.

Did you see our Tuesday screen shot on the main page? Its from Shield of the Prophet. Both modern DLCs are outstanding.

And don't forget that wonderfully awesome, awesomely wonderful AAR that some guy wrote.

http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=6015.0 (http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=6015.0)

Quote from: fabius on June 25, 2014, 01:52:46 PM
Angolan War DLC is tempting me.

I just grabbed to go it along with APOS and Shield of the Prophet.

Man, the GG ftp server is sloooow.

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 25, 2014, 06:29:03 PM
And don't forget that wonderfully awesome, awesomely wonderful AAR that some guy wrote.

http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=6015.0 (http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=6015.0)

Yes. Definitely an outstanding AAR. Makes me want to jump back into the game.

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 25, 2014, 06:05:57 PM

Quote from: fabius on June 25, 2014, 01:52:46 PM
Angolan War DLC is tempting me.

Did you see our Tuesday screen shot on the main page? Its from Shield of the Prophet. Both modern DLCs are outstanding.

Missed that, and the AAR. Both are awesome. Shield of Prophet looks a but too flat/sparse terrain for my preference. But Angola has Bush.  :smitten:

if you say the word bush 3 times Smuck shows up with a razor.

creepy as fuck all.

Man, I missed a couple of these DLCs the first time around.  They're all 75% off on Gamersgate so I just picked up Sword of the Prophet and some other one that starts with a Z.  Sweet! 

Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 25, 2014, 07:49:27 PM
if you say the word bush 3 times Smuck shows up with a razor.

creepy as fuck all.

Mann, good Bush is rare these days.

Alright, I'm not sure WTF is going on here.

I downloaded the Prophet DLC.  I unzipped with 7Zip and it comes out as a ....

Ah nevermind.  Man alive, could they have made this any harder to understand?

Fuuuuuuuudge, this is convoluted as all hell.  I...well, instead of admitting how stupid I am I'm going to see if this little trick works. 

This is one of the most painful computer experiences I've ever had...and I use government computers on a routine basis.   :tickedoff:

Alright, here's the deal (doesn't seem that this was completely answered in this thread):

If you buy Graviteam Tactics Op Star on Steam, your DLC's from Gamersgate WILL work with your Steam version.

The Steam version comes pre-patched to the 5.81 core update.

Download all Gamersgate DLC into a folder. 
Unzip all DLCs into a folder.
Install Steam GTOS.
Run GTOS through Steam.
Click "Update"
When the updater comes up, click "install"
Navigate to your folder with all DLC unzipped.
Choose DLC.
Game will self-install DLC.
Click "save and play" and you are good to go.

If you have a working version of GTOS from somewhere else other than Steam, I don't see any value in getting the Steam version.  In my case I simply could not figure out how to get GTOS updated to 5.81, and yes, I followed the instructions.  Therefore, my DLCs wouldn't install. 

It was worth the $7.50 to get it all patched up on Steam and then install my GG DLCs that way...but if you can figure out the patch process for another version then getting the Steam version is up to you.

:(

Don't feel stupid...they have one of the most convoluted processes and mish-mash of components from different sources I have ever seen.  Once you figure it out, its OK, but look up non-intuitive in the dictionary, it will define it as the Graviteam install process.

Quote from: RyanE on June 27, 2014, 04:56:18 AM
Don't feel stupid...they have one of the most convoluted processes and mish-mash of components from different sources I have ever seen.  Once you figure it out, its OK, but look up non-intuitive in the dictionary, it will define it as the Graviteam install process.

It's the only game, ever, where I view new patches as bad news and will try to justify not updating.

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 27, 2014, 05:09:08 AM

Quote from: RyanE on June 27, 2014, 04:56:18 AM
Don't feel stupid...they have one of the most convoluted processes and mish-mash of components from different sources I have ever seen.  Once you figure it out, its OK, but look up non-intuitive in the dictionary, it will define it as the Graviteam install process.

It's the only game, ever, where I view new patches as bad news and will try to justify not updating.

I kind of feel the same way.....the game could have potential for me, but the thought of patching process makes me just move on....I know there are instructions out there, but way harder than it has to be.  Hopefully their next line of games will make this MUCH easier.

i remember the first hellish patching attempts :D. honestly its second nature now, if anybody needs help...just holla.

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 27, 2014, 05:09:08 AM

Quote from: RyanE on June 27, 2014, 04:56:18 AM
Don't feel stupid...they have one of the most convoluted processes and mish-mash of components from different sources I have ever seen.  Once you figure it out, its OK, but look up non-intuitive in the dictionary, it will define it as the Graviteam install process.

It's the only game, ever, where I view new patches as bad news and will try to justify not updating.

Lol. Yep! I see a new patch and say "meh...things are working ok now so no worries". I haven't patched it since I bought it over a year ago

Well, I had a lot of "issues" going on concurrently here.

First, I thought SABOW and Achtung Panzer and Graviteam Tactics were all the same thing.  The last few days I've been playing SABOW and enjoying it.

What makes it worse, though, is that I was playing the Angola scenario in SABOW, so I thought I was playing the Hooper DLC in SABOW.  It's only when I tried to install the Prophet DLC that things got screwy and all.

After I finally bought GTOS on Steam and installed the Hooper and Prophet DLCs I realized that all along I hadn't been playing the DLCs I thought I was.  Now I have some buyer's remorse because I want to drive the tanks and you can't do that in GTOS! 

What a mess!  Now I have two versions of a game I don't really want, and a bunch of DLCs for those games... le sigh...   ::)

Quote from: Toonces on June 27, 2014, 07:58:11 PM
Well, I had a lot of "issues" going on concurrently here.

First, I thought SABOW and Achtung Panzer and Graviteam Tactics were all the same thing.  The last few days I've been playing SABOW and enjoying it.

What makes it worse, though, is that I was playing the Angola scenario in SABOW, so I thought I was playing the Hooper DLC in SABOW.  It's only when I tried to install the Prophet DLC that things got screwy and all.

After I finally bought GTOS on Steam and installed the Hooper and Prophet DLCs I realized that all along I hadn't been playing the DLCs I thought I was.  Now I have some buyer's remorse because I want to drive the tanks and you can't do that in GTOS! 

What a mess!  Now I have two versions of a game I don't really want, and a bunch of DLCs for those games... le sigh...   ::)

Reading this make me even more confused? :buck2:

I guess I'll just wait all of their stuff to come to Steam!

I noticed they've released some more DLC for this on Steam.  You can now buy the Operation Hooper (the Angola theater) DLC.  Totally worth it if you're running this on steam.

Shield of the Prophet DLC is on Steam too now.

As of patching process, just in case, see: http://gravitac.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Installing_updates_and_modifications (http://gravitac.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Installing_updates_and_modifications).

Quote from: Krabb on October 25, 2014, 04:45:09 AM
Shield of the Prophet DLC is on Steam too now.

As of patching process, just in case, see: http://gravitac.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Installing_updates_and_modifications (http://gravitac.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Installing_updates_and_modifications).

That process still needs to be utilized for the steam version? No auto updates? If so, sort of defeats the purpose of getting it on steam.

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 25, 2014, 04:50:21 AM
That process still needs to be utilized for the steam version? No auto updates? If so, sort of defeats the purpose of getting it on steam.

No, on steam updates are almost automatic (you have to press Save&Play). This process is only needed if you want to install a mod, a DLC bought somewhere else, from GamersGate for example, or the newest patch until it gets to steam.

^Cool. Thanks.

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 25, 2014, 08:31:07 AM
^Cool. Thanks.

+1.  Maybe it's time to re-purchase again. :/
Probably wait for a sale if ever that happens.  The whole set is a lot of money and I have a lot of games.

Quote from: jomni on October 25, 2014, 08:51:25 AM
+1.  Maybe it's time to re-purchase again. :/
Probably wait for a sale if ever that happens.  The whole set is a lot of money and I have a lot of games.

Graviteam has tradition of regular sales, so you could just wait a bit. :) There were few in June and September, for example. And the holiday season is near, too.

I'll re-purchase the whole lot if it goes on sale and it auto patches. I just wonder if the strategy first titles will have the latest updates? Anybody know? if i have to patch them myself i see no reason to re-purchase, i already have to do that will the GG editions.

Quote from: -budd- on October 25, 2014, 11:54:25 AM
I'll re-purchase the whole lot if it goes on sale and it auto patches. I just wonder if the strategy first titles will have the latest updates? Anybody know? if i have to patch them myself i see no reason to re-purchase, i already have to do that will the GG editions.

All DLCs are the latest. Patch is March 2014 (the latest is May 2014), but it will be updated eventually I guess.

what about the base game through steam? I just worry about buying the strategy first titles.

The base game is exactly the same as on GamersGate, and automatically installed patch is March 2014 (not current) as I said previously.

I originally purchased it on gamersgate. I re-purchased on steam so I wouldn't have to use their absurd patching process. Well worth it

Its on sale now for 75% off. Comes to $7.49 USD. All WWII DLC is on sale, as well as is the 1969 Russian/Chinese conflict. The newer steam releases, Shield of the Prophet and Operation Hooper are not discounted yet.

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 03, 2014, 03:50:47 PM
Its on sale now for 75% off. Comes to $7.49 USD. All WWII DLC is on sale, as well as is the 1969 Russian/Chinese conflict. The newer steam releases, Shield of the Prophet and Operation Hooper are not discounted yet.

Thanks for the heads up.

Thanks. Re-buying to avoid the patching nightmare.

I finally caved. Got the on-sale DLC as well.

I bought the whole set as well including the non discounted dlc.  This and Blitzkrieg Anthology will satisfy my rts appetite.

Nooooo! Must stop buying! Must sttopppp!

Wait, why is Codename: Panzers 1 or 2 not on Steam anywhere, but the Cold War game is?  ???

Graviteam Tactics Operation Star and it's DLC are well worth a look.  O0

repurchased (including the 3 WW II DLCs) to get rid of the patch pain  ....i wont think it will get much more discount anyway (maybe 80% max in an possible  Xmas sale) so why wait

Quote from: MikeGER on November 04, 2014, 02:36:13 AM
repurchased (including the 3 WW II DLCs) to get rid of the patch pain  ....i wont think it will get much more discount anyway (maybe 80% max in an possible  Xmas sale) so why wait

That was also my rationale. Sigh.

I can't decide if Steam panders to gluttony or to lust.

Quote from: JasonPratt on November 04, 2014, 08:29:52 AM

I can't decide if Steam panders to gluttony or to lust.

Both.

would love to try this again, especially without the massive patching process headaches....but I have a mental block in wanting to buy all the games I already own from gamersgate

Quote from: JasonPratt on November 04, 2014, 08:29:52 AM

Quote from: MikeGER on November 04, 2014, 02:36:13 AM
repurchased (including the 3 WW II DLCs) to get rid of the patch pain  ....i wont think it will get much more discount anyway (maybe 80% max in an possible  Xmas sale) so why wait

That was also my rationale. Sigh.

I can't decide if Steam panders to gluttony or to lust.

Me too. I failed calculus 2 so I am clearly not capable of patching the non-steam game

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 04, 2014, 09:28:30 AM

Quote from: JasonPratt on November 04, 2014, 08:29:52 AM

I can't decide if Steam panders to gluttony or to lust.

Both.

so thats why I think of Gus when I think of Steam.....  could be the hot pants he wears also.   ^-^

Very handy having these titles on Steam! Goodbye complicated patching!

Well. New player, meet learning curve!!!

Is there a tutorial with this beast, or will I have to watch youtube videos for a week?

There's a tutorial when you first run it. Also you can check out the matrix forums. There are some tips and tricks.

Quote from: DennisS on November 05, 2014, 08:27:59 PM
Well. New player, meet learning curve!!!

Is there a tutorial with this beast, or will I have to watch youtube videos for a week?

I'm pretty comfortable with it now so hopefully I can help out if you've got any questions.

after my overdose of Total War games over the last month its looking like this will be next.
oh Ostfront how I've missed you.  :smitten:
all I need is that project check tomorrow.

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on November 05, 2014, 10:16:18 PM

Quote from: DennisS on November 05, 2014, 08:27:59 PM
Well. New player, meet learning curve!!!

Is there a tutorial with this beast, or will I have to watch youtube videos for a week?

I'm pretty comfortable with it now so hopefully I can help out if you've got any questions.

1) Need more info on arty. How to plot and all the intricacies.

2) Still not used to what the right click movement options do and when to use. I know that these are presets of the different tactical options on the lower right screen.

I have read the manual a long time ago. Maybe it's time to revisit.

Artillery works like this.  After you've placed your units on the map and proceed to the INITIAL ORDERS phase, you can set 3 pre-sighted target locations for each off-board artillery unit you've got. 

Start by selecting your forward observer unit.  Just select the individual unit with the FO in it, not the entire platoon or company the FO is attached to.  If you've correctly selected your FO on the tactical map, you should see 3 sets of concentric rings, one pink and two blue. 

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You can move these around the map by placing the cursor over the circle and right clicking.  The hand icon should change to a flag icon.  Move the flag icon to the point on the map where you'd like to place the pre-sight location and right click again.  The target ring should now be in the location you've selected.   You should try to place the icons within line-of-sight of the forward observer or it'll take a lot longer for the FO to correct fire.  I'll explain the system in more detail below.

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After you've placed your pre-sights, start the battle. 

When you want to call artillery in, select your forward observer unit and then click the artillery icon which is the right-hand most one on the main icon bar at the bottom middle of the screen.  That will bring up the artillery menu.  It's pretty straight forward.  select which pre-sight you want to shoot at (They're called area #1, area #2, and area #3), the type of shell you want to fire (HE, smoke, flares), and the number of rounds per gun you want to fire. 

In both the arty menu and on the target rings on the map, you'll see two numbers listed next to the name of each target.  For example, you might see something like:  Area #2  0:30 / 250.  The first number is the amount of time from the artillery call until the spotting round will land (in this case 30 seconds).  The second number is the possible deviation radius in metres (in this case, the round will fall anywhere within a 250m radius from the aim point.)    If your FO doesn't have a line of sight to the target, the deviation radius will be much greater than if it's in LOS of the FO.  The spotting round has to fall within about a 40m radius of the aim point before the FO will call for a fire-for-effect barrage.  If the first spotting round falls outside of the 40m radius, the FO will make a correction and call for another spotting round and that will take another 30 seconds.  As you can see, if you select an aim-point well outside of the FO's LOS, it can take a very, very long time to get rounds on target and by that point, the bad guys have usually moved out of the danger zone.

Once the battle's started, you can move the pre-sights if you need to.  Select the target as you did before (right click to select the target ring, then move to the map location where you want to place the new aim point and right click again to drop it.)  Be aware that the amount of time required to get that first spotting round on target goes up the further you move the target ring.  Moving it a short distance of 300 metres or so might see your time jump from 30 seconds to 40 or so.  Moving it a few KM will see it jump from 30 seconds to 3 1/2 to 4 minutes or more.  Combine this with a large error radius and you'll be waiting forever for rounds to hit.     

If you have on-map artillery such as mortars, they will fire on spotted targets automatically if they are in range and you haven't ordered them to hold fire.  You can also order them to fire on an area if you suspect targets are there but haven't seen them yet.  Select the formation that has the mortars in it, then SHIFT-select any of the officer units in the formation as well as the mortars.  Click the Fire on Area button (second from the left in the middle row of the icons on the bottom right hand of the screen) and right click the target area on the map.  Then click on the officer unit only and you should see two concentric orange rings on the map.  These ring will have two numbers displayed in them somewhat similarly to those seen in the off-map artillery rings.  The first number shows the number of units firing and the second number shows the expected accuracy as a percentage.  For example you might see 4: 22%.  This means you've got 4 mortar tubes firing and ~22% of the rounds will land in the target area. 

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You can also use this feature for MGs, cannons, etc.  Just remember that this eats up ammo very quickly to remember to cancel the mission after you're done or your units will keep firing until they run dry. 

Can someone confirm that the patching process is fixed with Steam.  I would love to get the Steam version, but if the patching process is unchanged, I'll stick with the existing waterboarding-equivalent process I already own.

Quote from: RyanE on November 06, 2014, 06:32:52 AM
Can someone confirm that the patching process is fixed with Steam.  I would love to get the Steam version, but if the patching process is unchanged, I'll stick with the existing waterboarding-equivalent process I already own.

Short story: It's fixed. 

Long story:  But the funny thing is that Steam will just download the latest patch exe.  And the familiar patching GUI will come out when you run the game and you can then just press a button to install the patch.  With the DLC's it will also show you that GUI to install the add-ons.  It is somewhat automatic as Steam will download the stuff for you when it's available but there is still a manual trigger to actually install the patch.  :2funny:
Still way better than the old process though.

SDR, thanks for the overview.  I hear that you can change from spot to a rectangular or linear area bombardment.  How do you do that?  I have only tried moving the initial circles.

Pretty sure you just right-click and drag to change the arty spotting from point to line... I.e. when you have the arty point selected and highlighted, try RClicking and dragging where you want the line of fire to be.

Although it's been a while since I played GTOS --

Has anyone tried adding game content bought from another source to their Steam GTOS install -- like say the Krasnaya Polyana module (not yet available on Steam)?  Would love to know if that works. 

Quote from: jomni on November 06, 2014, 07:06:20 AM

SDR, thanks for the overview.  I hear that you can change from spot to a rectangular or linear area bombardment.  How do you do that?  I have only tried moving the initial circles.

I always forget something.  If you want to switch from a circle to a rectangle or line, just hold down the right mouse button and drag when you're placing the target marker. 

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv320%2Fbogaty%2Ftut04_zps8dd4bacb.jpg%7Eoriginal&hash=9be51e8bf5259b33ed0959911d3d67b3d733c75c)

Quote from: sandman2575 on November 06, 2014, 01:41:14 PM
Has anyone tried adding game content bought from another source to their Steam GTOS install -- like say the Krasnaya Polyana module (not yet available on Steam)?  Would love to know if that works.

Should be workable because the Updating GUI has the option for you to point to an installer.  Just don't know if you need to respect any sequence.

so I just got this and all the WW2 packages during the Steam sale this weekend.  where should I start if I want to skip the tutorials and just dive right in. 

or... should I play the tutorials?

it would seem that my only Steam friend that plays this is Gus.  ::)  should I use him as my tutorial?

Quote from: jomni on November 06, 2014, 07:06:20 AM

Long story:  But the funny thing is that Steam will just download the latest patch exe.  And the familiar patching GUI will come out when you run the game and you can then just press a button to install the patch.  With the DLC's it will also show you that GUI to install the add-ons.  It is somewhat automatic as Steam will download the stuff for you when it's available but there is still a manual trigger to actually install the patch.  :2funny:
Still way better than the old process though.

more detail on this please because one of the DLC's I got doesnt show up in the campaign selection screen.

I'm not sure how the Steam version works but if it's similar to the non-steam version then try this.

1) Start the game.
2) Click "Update" from the game menu.
     This should bring up a Windows GUI box that looks something like this.

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv320%2Fbogaty%2FGTOS_zpsf7e32634.jpg%7Eoriginal&hash=eff3246801cc94d01c72079a4aaffdc900c6b6a7)

3) Click "Install"
4)  Navigate to your Steam folder and select one of the game's DLC folders.  Open it and then open the sub-folder named "CORE".
5)  In the bottom right of the install screen, you should see a drop-down tab.  Select "addons*.addpack"
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv320%2Fbogaty%2FGTOS2_zps3d94be60.jpg%7Eoriginal&hash=2e909ca5bd1bcfd0005856aa8d34fef95842f1e6)


6)  Select the file "desc.addpack" in the CORE folder.
7)  The DLC should then install and appear on your list.  Click "save and play" and see if the campaign appears in your game.

thanks.  I'll try that tomorrow.  its the Shilovo DLC that isn't showing up.

Yes the Steam version retains that UI which makes patching and installing add-ons  not automatic.

Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 11, 2014, 12:24:29 AM
so I just got this and all the WW2 packages during the Steam sale this weekend.  where should I start if I want to skip the tutorials and just dive right in. 

or... should I play the tutorials?

it would seem that my only Steam friend that plays this is Gus.  ::)  should I use him as my tutorial?

Try setting up a couple of quick battles just to get a feel for the tactical engine.  Once you're comfortable with that, I'd say start with Volokonovka as the Germans if you want to play offence or Krasnaya Polyana as the Soviets if you want to play defence.   

 I added my Gamersgate addons per the above instructions.

It looked like it took, but I don't see the new campaigns/battles listed to play.

When you pick your game should they be listed by name?

The campaign selection screen should look something like this.

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgamersgate.http.internapcdn.net%2Fgamersgate%2Fscreenshots_img%2FDD-APOSS1943%2F299093_shot_2012_01_03_08_53_53_0000_medium.jpg&hash=03c84dc088341a46e7e896490d205d276761ec13)

Each campaign DLC will be listed with a map icon on the left showing where the battle took place.  Clicking on the campaign header will open up all the scenarios available in the campaign.  Each scenario will show a flag indicating which nation you'll play along with a photo. 

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgamersgate.http.internapcdn.net%2Fgamersgate%2Fscreenshots_img%2FDD-APOS%2F378070_main%2520menu-GTOS-045_medium.jpg&hash=99ed70c019d1721537ad6f12eb8f60f6dba26c38)

You may need to scroll down using the bar on the right in order to see all the campaigns and scenario available.


Here's a link to a short tutorial.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3116746 (http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3116746)

 Thanks, I found out what I did wrong. I had to hit  the " save /play" button for them to show up.

When I opened the game again they were all gone, until I reinstalled and did the above.

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on November 11, 2014, 01:02:35 AM
I'm not sure how the Steam version works but if it's similar to the non-steam version then try this.
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This is not necessary on steam for its DLCs, and very outdated for non-steam ones. Current DLCs are packed into .gt2extension files (the default filetype in the updater), no CORE and addpacks unpacking.

Quote from: jomni on November 11, 2014, 02:29:17 AM
Yes the Steam version retains that UI which makes patching and installing add-ons  not automatic.

This isn't true. It's automatic, but you have to press Save&Play as magnus said. Otherwise, the updater doesn't save its data about newly installed stuff. Yep, somewhat confusing. ???

Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 11, 2014, 01:25:28 AM
its the Shilovo DLC that isn't showing up.

If you hadn't pressed Save&Play, the installation of this DLC should restart when you restart the game. When something gets installed, generally, you have to press Save&Play, not just exit from the updater.

Shilovo and Volokonovka are in Operation "Fall Blau" section, Krasnaya Polyana is in Operation "Star" section. Others are easy to find I think.

There's a good how-to guide up on Steam now.


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=339318454 (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=339318454)

There is a sale going on on Steam until 2 December (and on GamersGate, too).

By "sale" he means 80 to 85% off!

I just completed my DLC collection.  :smitten:

I already own all of the Graviteam games that I am likely to want via Gamersgate, but have been too intimidated by the reportedly weird update system to give it a go.


To what extent can you replicate what's available at Gamersgate on Steam?


Does it make sense to buy on Steam if you already own on Gamersgate (it probably does if you don't play the Gamersgate version and the price is right on Steam)?


Is it possible to retrofit part of your Gamersgate Graviteam library to Steam without going through weird contortions?  I know how to unofficially mod a Steam game (it works as long as you don't verify the integrity of the local content of the original game).

Just went through this entire thread from the first post and my head is spinning.

My take on it is that even if there is a way to get Gamersgate DLC to work in Steam I probably don't want to know about it.

Sigh.

I guess it's time to do the math and figure out if I can fit the damage into my over-extended game budget.

Quote from: Toonces on June 27, 2014, 02:43:22 AM
Alright, here's the deal (doesn't seem that this was completely answered in this thread):

If you buy Graviteam Tactics Op Star on Steam, your DLC's from Gamersgate WILL work with your Steam version.

The Steam version comes pre-patched to the 5.81 core update.

Download all Gamersgate DLC into a folder. 
Unzip all DLCs into a folder.
Install Steam GTOS.
Run GTOS through Steam.
Click "Update"
When the updater comes up, click "install"
Navigate to your folder with all DLC unzipped.
Choose DLC.
Game will self-install DLC.
Click "save and play" and you are good to go.

If you have a working version of GTOS from somewhere else other than Steam, I don't see any value in getting the Steam version.  In my case I simply could not figure out how to get GTOS updated to 5.81, and yes, I followed the instructions.  Therefore, my DLCs wouldn't install. 

It was worth the $7.50 to get it all patched up on Steam and then install my GG DLCs that way...but if you can figure out the patch process for another version then getting the Steam version is up to you.

:(

There you go.  I sort of remember this painful process...it was a while ago.  But the Steam version of GTOS is fully patched.  You can install GamersGate DLC's into your Steam GTOS pretty easily.  That's about as much as I know about the whole thing, though.

Installing the core game patch was actually the easiest part about the process.  Just a simple exe.

It's the add-ons which required the extra steps before.

The rest of DLCs are on steam, too. Krasnaya Polyana and Hi-Res Textures were just released there.

cool!

Mius Front soon ??    :D


"If the little Ukrainian bird that warbled in my ear earlier this week is to be believed, then Graviteam – another studio that understands the value of a good dynamic campaign – are finally nearing the Mius Front finish line. My feathered confidant told me that the game that is in effect Graviteam Tactics/Achtung Panzer 2 is presently in 'Steam testing'. Splendid!"

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/01/23/the-flare-path-dreadnoughts-and-droid-thoughts/#more-264933 (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/01/23/the-flare-path-dreadnoughts-and-droid-thoughts/#more-264933)

This was some misunderstanding from google-translation probably. Mius isn't in "steam testing", it just began transitioning into test phase.

Thanks for the clarification -- can you provide anything more specific than 'test phase' -- does that mean it's going into Beta -- or well past that point by now?

Just to clarify, I don't regard buying DLC as being against my resolution to (mostly) avoid buying new games this year.  :smitten: :smitten:

Quote from: sandman2575 on January 24, 2015, 08:51:49 AM
Thanks for the clarification -- can you provide anything more specific than 'test phase' -- does that mean it's going into Beta -- or well past that point by now?

Well, there is no clear line for this. New features are being added as historical documents are being researched. So, I'd call this something in between alpha and beta.

Thanks Krabb -- it's been pretty difficult to get a handle on where Mius is in development -- and when it might actually release...  Not sure why Andrey and co. feel the need to be quite so tight-lipped about all this.  But Mius is definitely at the very top of games I'm looking forward to this year (...assuming this is the year).

How is the tutorial for Operation Star? I am finally ready to jump in this weekend. Futzed around with it a bit this week.

It's....garbled.  How's your Ukringlish?

Be sure to go to the Operation Star community page on Steam and read through the gameplay guide someone put together there.  Lots of good info in it.  Post any questions you've got and I'm sure someone here can help out.                                                               

Kewl. My Urkinglish is disappointingly weak.

Give it a go, Gus.  The UI is..quirky, definitely, but it's nowhere near as terrible as a lot of folks make it out to be. Once you get the hang if it, it's actually a pretty flexible, intuitive interface, imo anyway. 

Fantastic game, and well worth making the effort to get over the learning curve. 

Quote from: sandman2575 on January 24, 2015, 06:11:02 PM
Give it a go, Gus.  The UI is..quirky, definitely, but it's nowhere near as terrible as a lot of folks make it out to be. Once you get the hang if it, it's actually a pretty flexible, intuitive interface, imo anyway. 

Fantastic game, and well worth making the effort to get over the learning curve.

Agreed. The UI isn't so much bad as designed without much attention to Western game UI conventions. Once you get the hang of it, it's pretty useful.

The game itself is excellent.

Awesome. I'll pull myself away from Battle Academy for a bit to try. Just peeking around the in-game encyclopedia was interesting.

Quote from: Gusington on January 24, 2015, 03:28:43 PM
How is the tutorial for Operation Star?

pretty easy.  just buy me a few drinks.  ^-^

Zima?

Hell no!

Sorry...Zima and Oreos.

What is the latest version for Steam? 
The website says Apr 2015 but my Steam install is only up to Dec 2014.  Is this correct?

Hi,

The latest Steam version is 2663, .. check in upper right corner of Main/Menu Screen.

This is the latest, .. and is actually May 2015.  :)


Cheers
Tom

Quote from: Thomasew on May 17, 2015, 07:14:15 AM
Hi,

The latest Steam version is 2663, .. check in upper right corner of Main/Menu Screen.

This is the latest, .. and is actually May 2015.  :)


Cheers
Tom

Mine is definitely outdated.  How do I update this?  I can't find the installer.  Where did Steam put it?

Quote from: jomni on May 17, 2015, 07:31:06 AM

Quote from: Thomasew on May 17, 2015, 07:14:15 AM
Hi,

The latest Steam version is 2663, .. check in upper right corner of Main/Menu Screen.

This is the latest, .. and is actually May 2015.  :)


Cheers
Tom

Mine is definitely outdated.  How do I update this?  I can't find the installer.  Where did Steam put it?

It involves human sacrifice and a complex chant performed in iambic pentameter

Updates and DLC for "Graviteam Tactics: Operation Star"

http://graviteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=11099.0

Quote from: Asid on May 17, 2015, 05:30:49 PM
Updates and DLC for "Graviteam Tactics: Operation Star"

http://graviteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=11099.0

That's not for the Steam version?

Quote from: jomni on May 17, 2015, 06:31:32 PM

Quote from: Asid on May 17, 2015, 05:30:49 PM
Updates and DLC for "Graviteam Tactics: Operation Star"

http://graviteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=11099.0

That's not for the Steam version?

Hi Jomni,

Firstly, my apologies, .. I thought you were talking about SABOW, .. not GTOS.

I just checked my Steam version of GTOS, .. and it also says Dec 12s  :(

I only recently purchased the Steam version of GTOS, .. so, I though it would already be at version April 2015.  :)

My Gamersgate version is at April 2015, .. I updated it recently.  :)

So, .. I'm not quite sure why the Steam version has not had the update yet.

I'll ask over on the Graviteam forums.


Cheers
Tom

Quote from: mikeck on May 17, 2015, 01:32:46 PM

Quote from: jomni on May 17, 2015, 07:31:06 AM

Quote from: Thomasew on May 17, 2015, 07:14:15 AM
Hi,

The latest Steam version is 2663, .. check in upper right corner of Main/Menu Screen.

This is the latest, .. and is actually May 2015.  :)


Cheers
Tom

Mine is definitely outdated.  How do I update this?  I can't find the installer.  Where did Steam put it?

It involves human sacrifice and a complex chant performed in iambic pentameter

Never found updating SABOW or GTOS to be particularly tricky, .. in fact, I found the process fairly simple and self-explanatory.  :)

However, said products on Steam, pose no such challenges for those unfamiliar with manual patch procedures, .. as the patches and DLC are installed automatically.  :)

Cheers
Tom

Quote from: Thomasew on May 17, 2015, 10:33:13 PM

Quote from: mikeck on May 17, 2015, 01:32:46 PM

Quote from: jomni on May 17, 2015, 07:31:06 AM

Quote from: Thomasew on May 17, 2015, 07:14:15 AM
Hi,

The latest Steam version is 2663, .. check in upper right corner of Main/Menu Screen.

This is the latest, .. and is actually May 2015.  :)


Cheers
Tom

Mine is definitely outdated.  How do I update this?  I can't find the installer.  Where did Steam put it?

It involves human sacrifice and a complex chant performed in iambic pentameter

Never found updating SABOW or GTOS to be particularly tricky, .. in fact, I found the process fairly simple and self-explanatory.  :)

However, said products on Steam, pose no such challenges for those unfamiliar with manual patch procedures, .. as the patches and DLC are installed automatically.  :)

Cheers
Tom

They are not installed automatically. Steam will dump the installer in a cache folder and the user has to run the usual update program and look for the installer file.  I'm just not sure if there is a Apr or May update for the steam version as I don't find the file in the cache folder.

Hi Jomni,


Actually, .. they were for me. I only purchased the Steam version of GTOS last week, .. as well as the Operation Hooper and High-Res textures DLCs.

When I first started the game, .. I played an Operation Hooper battle, .. and all was fine. I didn't have to install the DLC manually.  :)

Anyhoo, .. in trying to figure out why it wasn't the April 2015 version, .. which it should have been, .. I tried 'Verifying the Disc Cache'.

This procedure replaced 3 files ..  ???

When I started GTOS now, .. I saw that the version was 2313, .. so obviously something had changed/updated.

However, .. now my DLC was gone ..  :( .. and I noticed that the 'Game Update' 4.19 was now disabled.

I then went thru the process of installing them manually, .. as you indicated.  :)

So, everything is working fine now, .. but, I am not certain whether version 2313 is the equivalent of the April 2015 patch.

I do know, .. with SABOW, .. as I have both the GG and Steam versions, .. that the Steam version only shows a number (2663) and not a month, .. as the GG version shows i.e. May 2015.

I've asked about the GTOS version over at the Graviteam forums, .. so, I'll let you know once they let me know ..  :)


Cheers
Tom

I'm aking Graviteam on Facebook to get to the bottom of this.

Quote from: jomni on May 18, 2015, 12:02:17 AM
They are not installed automatically. Steam will dump the installer in a cache folder and the user has to run the usual update program and look for the installer file.  I'm just not sure if there is a Apr or May update for the steam version as I don't find the file in the cache folder.

This is not true, patches and DLCs from the "cache" folder will be installed automatically. The game checks it on every start if an update appeared there (at least if you always press the Save&Exit button in the updater ;) ).

Steam version is still December 2014, May 2015 is only for GamersGate for now.

Quote from: Krabb on May 18, 2015, 06:27:43 AM
This is not true, patches and DLCs from the "cache" folder will be installed automatically. The game checks it on every start if an update appeared there (at least if you always press the Save&Exit button in the updater ;) ).
Steam version is still December 2014, May 2015 is only for GamersGate for now.

Thanks.  That explains it.  Confirmed by Graviteam as well.

Quote from: Thomasew on May 18, 2015, 01:13:27 AM
Anyhoo, .. in trying to figure out why it wasn't the April 2015 version, .. which it should have been, .. I tried 'Verifying the Disc Cache'.
...
However, .. now my DLC was gone ..  :( .. and I noticed that the 'Game Update' 4.19 was now disabled.

I'll copy my answer here too just in case.

This is a problem with the game updater. Before (or after, doesn't make much difference) the "verify integrity of disc cache" you have to manually remove everything from the data\k43t folder, except the loc_eng and shared folders. Now the patch and DLCs you have should be installed automatically.

Or just install them manually from the !steam_cache folder.

Steam version now updated to June 2015a version. 

I liked this game a lot. I just started playing "operation hooper" and now I love it. It has passed CM as my go to RT ww2-modern game. The artillery is just a blast to use and the graphics are awesome