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Organizations and Equipment / Re: Ships!
« Last post by mirth on Today at 07:25:46 AM »
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Organizations and Equipment / Re: Ships!
« Last post by mirth on Today at 07:25:10 AM »
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Royal Navy destroyer HMS Manchester (D95) prepares to come alongside the fast combat support ship USNS Arctic (T-AOE-8) during an underway replenishment in the Persian Gulf. Mar 2008. USN photo.

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Military (and other) History / The Golden Hermione
« Last post by besilarius on Yesterday at 07:14:27 AM »
In the Age of Sail, all prizes taken by the Royal Navy belonged to the king. The king, God bless him, chose to share the results with the crews that captured the enemy ship.
Prize money was every sailor's dream.

During the Seven Years’ War Sir Edward Hawke commanded the Royal Navy’s blockade of the Spanish coast. On May 21, 1762, two of Hawke’s ships, the frigate Active and the sloop Favourite, patrolling off Cadiz, captured the Spanish ship Hermione out of Peru

Hermione was carrying an immense treasure. After appropriate admiralty charges were deducted, the prize value of the ship was declared to be £519,705 10s, perhaps £400 million, in money of 2008 using the “average earnings” scale.

Naturally, this haul was divided up according to the prevailing prize rules. As a result, Hawke, who wasn’t even present but was the commanding officer, came away with £64,964, the same sum awarded each of the captains of the two British ships, while lieutenants received £13,000 each, and so on down through the ranks to common seamen and marine privates, who each received £485, and “boys,” who got half that; so even the boys came away with what would today be about £180,000, a tidy sum indeed. The yield was probably the most impressive in the history of the age of sail, and for generations afterwards seagoing men spoke of the chance of encountering another “Golden Hermione,” a term that is preserved today for a breed of British rose.

 
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Military (and other) History / Re: Evaluating R E Lee now going mainstream
« Last post by JasonPratt on May 20, 2017, 09:20:47 AM »
DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS!!1!

...oh, wait, that wasn't the name of the article, but the Post's motto or something. ;)

This seems more like a hit piece predicated on celebrating the removal of Lee's statue out of New Orleans. Was Lee freakishly over-eulogized? Absolutely ("bosom and all" as the article quips, rightly enough.) Is it a good idea to puncture at least some of the myth of the Lost Cause? As long as you aren't leaping off the horse on the other side, sure! Should modern military historians sift Lee's acumen? Great, always best to learn from mistakes so as not to repeat them (if possible).

The tone of the delivery of all this makes me suspicious of a drastic lack of context, though, for sake of propaganda the other way: stop whining, Lee wasn't all that great, etc.
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One interesting fact about Lee is that of the six Regular Army colonels from Virginia who were in uniform at the the start of the Civil War, five remained loyal to the Union. Of the five, only Lee rebelled, and that against the advice of his fellow Virginian and mentor, Winfield Scott.

About the article, though, I don't really like academic narratives that point to a map and say "such-and-such general should have just moved his troops here and he would have won," without any sense of the difficulties of terrain, weather, smoke, exhaustion, etc. that must have weighed on the decision-makers at the moment. That's not to say that historical generals didn't make mistakes, but I find that those mistakes are often far more understandable when studied in context.

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Organizations and Equipment / Re: Ships!
« Last post by besilarius on May 20, 2017, 07:33:21 AM »
Cruiser chicago fouls the approach of a Tomcat.
David Eisenhower have the conn?
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Military (and other) History / Evaluating R E Lee now going mainstream
« Last post by besilarius on May 20, 2017, 06:57:20 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/05/19/the-truth-about-confederate-gen-robert-e-lee-he-wasnt-very-good-at-his-job/?tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.8026b102fd23

Personally, I think Lee was always fighting the Mexican War.  It worked against second raters like McClellan and Pope, but ultimately bled the southern armies dry.
If Hooker had not lost his nerve at Chancellorsville, and halted his advance out of the heavy growth, Lee's penchant for frontal assaults would have led to disaster.  Instead of President Grant, it would have been President Hooker.
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Organizations and Equipment / Re: Ships!
« Last post by besilarius on May 19, 2017, 05:07:31 PM »
CVE Manila Bay under air attack off Saipan.
The caption is incorrect.  In defence, four P-47s were launched to support the CAP, and these planes continued on to Saipan.
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One of my all time favourite aircraft  :bd:
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if they want to go in light

how about the Bronco ?





of course as an updated version to todays standards and avionics/sensor/communication package 
more powerful engines and ballistic protected cockpit     
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