Field of Glory II DLC announced...paging GUS! Rise of Persia!

[MengJiao]

Main game and past DLC's discounted

  Assyrians on a good day:

[Sir Slash]

Lots of horsies!  :bd:

[MengJiao]

Lots of horsies!  :bd:

  Yep.  Not how I pictured the Assyrians.  The game seems to read them as kind of proto-Persians.

[ByzantineGames]

I did as well. 191 different armies. How many combinations for campaigns???

36,481 for the possible combinations of main antagonists, but a lot more when you include their allies and other nations intervening.

[ByzantineGames]

Lots of horsies!  :bd:

  Yep.  Not how I pictured the Assyrians.  The game seems to read them as kind of proto-Persians.

The screenshot only shows the mounted wing. They have lots of infantry in the game too.

Assyrian reliefs show infantry deployed as mixed units with equal numbers of spearmen and archers, the spearmen being deployed in front of the archers. The Persians used a similar formation, but had a higher proportion of archers to spearmen.

The late Neo-Assyrians in the DLC are based mainly on the research of Nigel Tallis, Assyriologist (specializing in military history) at the British Museum.

[ByzantineGames]

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[MengJiao]

Lots of horsies!  :bd:

  Yep.  Not how I pictured the Assyrians.  The game seems to read them as kind of proto-Persians.

The screenshot only shows the mounted wing. They have lots of infantry in the game too.

Assyrian reliefs show infantry deployed as mixed units with equal numbers of spearmen and archers, the spearmen being deployed in front of the archers. The Persians used a similar formation, but had a higher proportion of archers to spearmen.

The late Neo-Assyrians in the DLC are based mainly on the research of Nigel Tallis, Assyriologist (specializing in military history) at the British Museum.

  This is pleasant news to me.  I had not really thought of the Assyrians as being that much like the Persians. 

[Philippe]

Lots of horsies!  :bd:

  Yep.  Not how I pictured the Assyrians.  The game seems to read them as kind of proto-Persians.

The screenshot only shows the mounted wing. They have lots of infantry in the game too.

Assyrian reliefs show infantry deployed as mixed units with equal numbers of spearmen and archers, the spearmen being deployed in front of the archers. The Persians used a similar formation, but had a higher proportion of archers to spearmen.

The late Neo-Assyrians in the DLC are based mainly on the research of Nigel Tallis, Assyriologist (specializing in military history) at the British Museum.

  This is pleasant news to me.  I had not really thought of the Assyrians as being that much like the Persians.

[Sir Slash]

^ That's a 'relief'.  :DD   Get it? Yes, Assyrians mean chariots to me but clearly there's more to them than that. Are there any kind of weather effects in this game?

[MengJiao]

^ That's a 'relief'.  :DD   Get it? Yes, Assyrians mean chariots to me but clearly there's more to them than that. Are there any kind of weather effects in this game?

  IIRC that relief is a hunting scene.  Anyway...Assyrians mean pretty dense infantry formations to me.  I guess they were a do anything kind of army up to a point.  In some of the more reliable reports of how the Persians beat them and everyone else...sneakiness, basic flexibility and local initiative seems to have been the Persian approach whereas the Assyrians seem to have had a more iron-fist to the middle of whatever the problem was kind of approach.

   I haven't seen any weather effects, but there are fairly subtle terrain effects (speed, LOS, concealment, cohesion).

[Philippe]

It is certainly a hunting scene, but what is interesting is that there is a chariot trundling along behind, and even a rider with a spare horse.  When it came to horses, the Assyrians knew what they were doing.

Note that they lived in close proximity to where the Mitanni had lived during the Late Bronze Age (and they were apparently around back then as well).  The Mitanni, for those that need reminding, probably introduced chariot warfare into the Middle East.  So the Assyrians had close to a millenium of experience in sophisticated horse-handling.

[jomni]

^ That's a 'relief'.  :DD   Get it? Yes, Assyrians mean chariots to me but clearly there's more to them than that. Are there any kind of weather effects in this game?

  IIRC that relief is a hunting scene.  Anyway...Assyrians mean pretty dense infantry formations to me.  I guess they were a do anything kind of army up to a point.  In some of the more reliable reports of how the Persians beat them and everyone else...sneakiness, basic flexibility and local initiative seems to have been the Persian approach whereas the Assyrians seem to have had a more iron-fist to the middle of whatever the problem was kind of approach.

   I haven't seen any weather effects, but there are fairly subtle terrain effects (speed, LOS, concealment, cohesion).

Weather is not coded in the game.  If it's the same as Pike and Shot or Sengoku Jidai, there might be special effects that show rain or snow but no combat penalties.  The scenario designer needs to script that in himself.  That said, one user requested real weather effects as a feature to be introduced.

[Philippe]

Battles in antiquity probably tended to be a bit like American baseball, and were frequently called off on account of rain.   You don't hear of very many battles being fought in inclement weather, and most battles were fought in the mediterranean summer for agricultural reasons.  You couldn't go campaigning until the crops were planted, and you usually had to get home in time to harvest them.  Nobody fought in the winter.

Games like FOG tend to focus exclusively on battles, and tend to obscure the fact that most of the time both side had to agree to fight one.

[jomni]

That is also true.

[MengJiao]

Battles in antiquity probably tended to be a bit like American baseball, and were frequently called off on account of rain.   You don't hear of very many battles being fought in inclement weather, and most battles were fought in the mediterranean summer for agricultural reasons.  You couldn't go campaigning until the crops were planted, and you usually had to get home in time to harvest them.  Nobody fought in the winter.

Games like FOG tend to focus exclusively on battles, and tend to obscure the fact that most of the time both side had to agree to fight one.

   Where there are relatively good accounts of battles (Didorus Sicilus?  Maybe?) weather does turn up.  For example the thunderstorm at Cimmossos River (which was also an ambush), wind at Frigidus (a miracle?) -- Rabbits and tin cups (wait that's Gettysburg 1863)...anyway there were battles not agreed on and didn't the Gauls hit Caesar's encampments in the winter?  Also of course storms wrecking fleets and things like that.