Well that came out of nowhere.
Whoa!
Holy! Those graphics and terrain details look insane!
Wonder how much diskspace that'll take for a global set!
XBox...
also for pc
AT LAST! COMBAT FLIGHT SIMULATOR HAS RETwaitaminute.
Ah well. Any basis is a basis I guess.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 10, 2019, 03:35:24 AM
also for pc
The words "Xbox exclusive" did not carry that meaning for me... ???
Info on pc
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2019-06-09-microsoft-flight-simulator-is-back-and-its-coming-to-xbox-and-pc
Wonder if add on planes would work?
Quote from: Tuna on June 10, 2019, 10:06:29 AM
Wonder if add on planes would work?
They will if/when you get them from Microsoft...
Quote from: JasonPratt on June 10, 2019, 07:31:23 AM
AT LAST! COMBAT FLIGHT SIMULATOR HAS RETwaitaminute.
Ah well. Any basis is a basis I guess.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 10, 2019, 03:35:24 AM
also for pc
The words "Xbox exclusive" did not carry that meaning for me... ???
It won't be available for N64?
I'll run it on an N64 emulator. On an XBox.
💀
I wonder what tradeoff they chose between physics and compatibility to old planes and scenery when they made the new toy.
The old version has awesome content, original, third-party paid and community mods. But the physics and controller flexibility were a bit bothersome.
I can't really see how they could improve physics drastically and keep compatible, unless they go far enough to allow different planes to have different physics.
Every time a new MSFS version was released the hot topic was addons. People paid lots of money for their collection and naturally are no happy to have to re-buy their stuff. Historically most addons eventually got upgraded to whatever new MSFS version was current. Sometimes with a (small) cost, sometimes free.
It remains to be seen IF and how it will work with the upcoming version.
I finally got an invite to the tech alpha. I'll do my best to give some impressions, but I'm sure there'll be some NDA factors.
Microsoft has released the machine specs for MSFS 2020
https://www.flightsimulator.com/save-the-date-04-21-20/
Thrilled to exceed the ideal specs!
Coming August 18th, available now for pre-order.
https://onemileatatime.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/
Quote from: steve58 on July 14, 2020, 02:30:35 PM
Coming August 18th, available now for pre-order.
https://onemileatatime.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/
I'll stick with the GamePass version to start since include already...those other prices a little steep for my use.
TBPH (To Be Perfectly Honest 8) ) I'd wait and let this stew for a few months to a year. The 3rd party stuff is where MSFS shines, IMHO. The PMDG 737 for example blows the sox off of anything in stock MSFS.
I mean, if you're a casual then it's probably a great deal out of the box. Once I started adding scenery, weather, ATC, and all that other stuff to my FSX installation I could never go stock again.
Quote from: Toonces on July 14, 2020, 05:32:11 PM
I mean, if you're a casual then it's probably a great deal out of the box. Once I started adding scenery, weather, ATC, and all that other stuff to my FSX installation I could never go stock again.
I agree. I flew FSX until I finally replaced it with P3D4. A2A's aircraft are incredible, and the other add ons you can get. I just don't see flying the new FS until the add-ons catch up to it, which will probably be in a 12-18 months.
I never even upgraded to P3D. I personally never experienced the FSX memory leak crash, but I heard enough about it to believe it's real.
Frankly, FSX had everything I want...except: ATC. The ATC is good. But damn, try to fly IFR with vectors into ATL and you'll see what I mean. ATC could never, ever flow me into there without a waveoff. It's only frustrating because for about a year I flew for Delta Virtual Airlines, which obviously hubs out of ATL. I preferred (personally) to fly vectors to final with ATC rather than execute the SID/STARS with no ATC...that's just me. I find the ATC experience more fulfilling and MSFX ATC can't do SID/STARs. There was an ATC mod you could buy, but then you didn't get ground vectors which I found essential without actual charts for the airports. So....
Therefore, I just never upgraded, and I don't personally want to buy this until it's been fleshed out by the 3rd parties. Heck, I might even say 2 years of brewing; it depends on how long ago the big time modders have had this build. Stock is not where it's at, if you have a couple hundred + invested in add-ons. I did, and I'm not even hardcore.
^ Thats a good call, and I also suspect it'll go on half off sale in a year.
but if you do have the game pass it is included in that package so no need to make any kind of extra purchase unless you immediately want the additional planes and airports. so for me that base version is enough to try it out without any additional purchase. i am not a big flight simulator fan but the previews released does have me curious to try it out especially if all i need to do is install it from my existing subscription.
if i didn't own the game pass it probably wouldn't be a first day purchase for me....
Quote from: Skoop on July 16, 2020, 12:24:07 AM
^ Thats a good call, and I also suspect it'll go on half off sale in a year.
Yet everyone will not be able to contain himself and have it installed right on releaseday regardless. Mark my words. If not that, then surely shortly after. 😂
Tomorrow is the release day, although it likely will take me a day to download it since like 125GB:(
Quote from: Toonces on July 14, 2020, 05:31:20 PM
TBPH (To Be Perfectly Honest 8) ) I'd wait and let this stew for a few months to a year. The 3rd party stuff is where MSFS shines, IMHO. The PMDG 737 for example blows the sox off of anything in stock MSFS.
Well really, it's a good idea these days to let almost every game sit for a year or so. The technology is not changing that rapidly the way it was 20-30 years ago.
But I think the main draw of the new FS is that it has a detailed map of THE WHOLE WORLD. That's why I already pre-ordered, which I rarely do--even though it's going to be a while before I can really sink my fangs in. I just know that a whole-world flight sim is something that it will make me very happy just to own.
There are a million specific places I want to fly over. Like, e.g., up The Slot from Henderson to Rabaul.
I'm going to be living vicariously from y'all for at least a while. I broke down my HOTAS and have no intent to re-install anytime soon. Not saying forever, just not for now. I can't wait to see the vids, though.
Downloading now...it will be awhile. I didn't purchase it, comes included with my GamePass subscription so low risk for me, especially since I usually stink at these things....we'll see.
I'll wait for a while too.
Once a third party 'own your little aviation business' becomes available I will begin showing some more interest.
Or a cool mission pack with , for example, bush pilot campaign, fire fighting, etc.
Just going from A to B in bad weather isn't my thing for a sim anymore. 😊
I'll stick with DCS. But man alive! I wish DCS had those graphics and weather engine!
Very curious to find out the verdict on the new vanilla FS, though!
PCGamer already hinted that it might be a typical FS release; in highest detail there is no pc yet that can run the thing at a solid 60 or even 30 fps in high density environments.
Well after 11 hour download...have to say very impressed at least graphically and the airports and such. I was able to take off from my tiny local airport and the surroundings were extremely familiar. I could tell as I flew over my high school:) I'll never be good at actually flying, but can see myself just looking around my neighborhood:)
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 17, 2020, 11:15:28 PM
Downloading now...it will be awhile. I didn't purchase it, comes included with my GamePass subscription so low risk for me, especially since I usually stink at these things....we'll see.
Just an FYI note that you can get Xbox Game Pass for PC (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/xbox-game-pass-for-pc-beta/CFQ7TTC0KGQ8?rtc=1&activetab=pivot:overviewtab) for $1 intro price for the 1st month. Regular price of $4.99/month after that (don't forget to cancel if you don't want to continue). Probably requires a cc, but still, looks like a real cheap way to give MSFS 2020 a test flight or two...
Quote from: steve58 on August 18, 2020, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 17, 2020, 11:15:28 PM
Downloading now...it will be awhile. I didn't purchase it, comes included with my GamePass subscription so low risk for me, especially since I usually stink at these things....we'll see.
Just an FYI note that you can get Xbox Game Pass for PC (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/xbox-game-pass-for-pc-beta/CFQ7TTC0KGQ8?rtc=1&activetab=pivot:overviewtab) for $1 intro price for the 1st month. Regular price of $4.99/month after that (don't forget to cancel if you don't want to continue). Probably requires a cc, but still, looks like a real cheap way to give MSFS 2020 a test flight or two...
Yep, I already own the GamePass, have used for quite some time....really good value (even for the $5) in my opinion and used it for this game.
Impressed. It is a very polished product.
I have been flying around on MSFS20 for most of the day. It is amazing and you are missing out if you don't at least try it at the lowest cost. My son is a pilot and has spent hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars on XPlane in its various versions plus add-ons. He came over after a few hours of playing around with it and said he may never start up XPlane again.
I have spent hours and hours helping him optimize XPlane's various versions on his rig (i7-9XXX and GFX 1660 ti custom desktop). And even on Ultra, MSFS20 way out perfroms Xplane's recent Vulcan beta build in almost all sim locales. Dropping down to High settings and there is no contest.
The best part is they spent a lot of time and research on the UI. Its simple, yet gets complex things done. I wish wargaming companies could take some inspiration from it.
It gets high praise all around it seems. New benchmark of flightsimming many even call it.
Aparently the developer also has a 10 year roadmap planned out to nuture and grow the sim or 'platform' as they call it.
It's looking good!
A friend of mine, who isn't normally into sims, even bought a yoke and is now using my old ch pedals. He seems to be a serious convert. :)
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-gaming-hardware-doesnt-yet-exist-to-make-microsoft-flight-sim-really-shine/
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/MsTnfi8kME58B4hhSFEBmF-650-80.jpg.webp)
From my time with a review copy of Microsoft Flight Simulator, and a gaming PC that matches the ideal specs, I can attest to this game's overwhelming system demands.
It's all right there in the gameplay: a resplendent and engrossing world, on an immense scale, which has been reproduced to the minute details.
And that's why Microsoft Flight Sim sits a cut above the rest. It's brutal, and it's got some launch day teething problems that are in immediate need of attention, but it's justified—Flight Sim is a videogame so unimaginable large and fully-realised, it's worthy of building an entire system around.
According to Steam, I've played this for 9 hrs. Actually all I've done so far is download and rough install (no fine tuning options).
What a monster game! What a huge amount of disk space! Certainly the biggest single download ever for me. Over 1Tb download, I think.
Quote from: planetbrain on August 19, 2020, 04:51:36 AM
According to Steam, I've played this for 9 hrs. Actually all I've done so far is download and rough install (no fine tuning options).
What a monster game! What a huge amount of disk space! Certainly the biggest single download ever for me. Over 1Tb download, I think.
1TB for the core game? That seems like a lot since when I downloaded it was only like 90GB (still bigger than most things). Last year's call of duty still the largest for me where I think it was 150GB or so.
I hadn't been too interested in this (nothing goes boom) until Youtube threw some videos at me that looked interesting. Now, strangely, I'm thoroughly entranced by this entire world thing and am not put off in any way that the planes look goofy without camouflage. I watched a video of someone flying from one end of the Panama Canal to the other and it was stunningly beautiful. I haven't been able to travel all year and I'm feeling very closed off. I doubt MSFS will work well on my laptop, but I'm definitely interested. I'm even considering building a tower just for this (and DCS/SB), which is something I haven't had in almost ten years.
And now that I've browsed the back catalog of FSX addons, I can see that there will probably be many planes I've always been keen on (P-2 Neptune, PBM Mariner, S-2 Tracker, A-3D, etc.) that will likely become available. I've got no interest in Cessnas or Airbuses, but gimme a big old Navy plane and I can be happy.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 19, 2020, 05:35:05 AM
Quote from: planetbrain on August 19, 2020, 04:51:36 AM
According to Steam, I've played this for 9 hrs. Actually all I've done so far is download and rough install (no fine tuning options).
What a monster game! What a huge amount of disk space! Certainly the biggest single download ever for me. Over 1Tb download, I think.
1TB for the core game? That seems like a lot since when I downloaded it was only like 90GB (still bigger than most things). Last year's call of duty still the largest for me where I think it was 150GB or so.
LoL...yeah, this is not a 1 TB download. It's less than 100 GB.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 19, 2020, 06:53:47 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 19, 2020, 05:35:05 AM
Quote from: planetbrain on August 19, 2020, 04:51:36 AM
According to Steam, I've played this for 9 hrs. Actually all I've done so far is download and rough install (no fine tuning options).
What a monster game! What a huge amount of disk space! Certainly the biggest single download ever for me. Over 1Tb download, I think.
1TB for the core game? That seems like a lot since when I downloaded it was only like 90GB (still bigger than most things). Last year's call of duty still the largest for me where I think it was 150GB or so.
LoL...yeah, this is not a 1 TB download. It's less than 100 GB.
The game downloads the scenery while you fly (the reason ideal specs mention Bandwidth : 50 Mbps). Doesn't this data remain on your PC or is this downloaded again when you fly the same area the next day ?
If there is no need to download it again you could collect more than 1TB on your HD after you took a trip around the world.
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 19, 2020, 07:41:42 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 19, 2020, 06:53:47 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 19, 2020, 05:35:05 AM
Quote from: planetbrain on August 19, 2020, 04:51:36 AM
According to Steam, I've played this for 9 hrs. Actually all I've done so far is download and rough install (no fine tuning options).
What a monster game! What a huge amount of disk space! Certainly the biggest single download ever for me. Over 1Tb download, I think.
1TB for the core game? That seems like a lot since when I downloaded it was only like 90GB (still bigger than most things). Last year's call of duty still the largest for me where I think it was 150GB or so.
LoL...yeah, this is not a 1 TB download. It's less than 100 GB.
The game downloads the scenery while you fly (the reason ideal specs mention Bandwidth : 50 Mbps). Doesn't this data remain on your PC or is this downloaded again when you fly the same area the next day ?
If there is no need to download it again you could collect more than 1TB on your HD after you took a trip around the world.
Maybe, don't know. But the original post implied the initial core game download was 1 TB, not including add-ons, mods, scenery, etc.
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 19, 2020, 07:41:42 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 19, 2020, 06:53:47 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 19, 2020, 05:35:05 AM
Quote from: planetbrain on August 19, 2020, 04:51:36 AM
According to Steam, I've played this for 9 hrs. Actually all I've done so far is download and rough install (no fine tuning options).
What a monster game! What a huge amount of disk space! Certainly the biggest single download ever for me. Over 1Tb download, I think.
1TB for the core game? That seems like a lot since when I downloaded it was only like 90GB (still bigger than most things). Last year's call of duty still the largest for me where I think it was 150GB or so.
LoL...yeah, this is not a 1 TB download. It's less than 100 GB.
The game downloads the scenery while you fly (the reason ideal specs mention Bandwidth : 50 Mbps). Doesn't this data remain on your PC or is this downloaded again when you fly the same area the next day ?
If there is no need to download it again you could collect more than 1TB on your HD after you took a trip around the world.
When I installed it said I needed approximately 147 GB of available HD space and the actual download was more like 93 GB. It doesn't make sense that you could need up to 1TB of HD space while in flight because of downloads while in game. If that is the case, a lot of people are going to have to drop out mid-flight to free up HD space.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 19, 2020, 07:49:37 AM
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 19, 2020, 07:41:42 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 19, 2020, 06:53:47 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 19, 2020, 05:35:05 AM
Quote from: planetbrain on August 19, 2020, 04:51:36 AM
According to Steam, I've played this for 9 hrs. Actually all I've done so far is download and rough install (no fine tuning options).
What a monster game! What a huge amount of disk space! Certainly the biggest single download ever for me. Over 1Tb download, I think.
1TB for the core game? That seems like a lot since when I downloaded it was only like 90GB (still bigger than most things). Last year's call of duty still the largest for me where I think it was 150GB or so.
LoL...yeah, this is not a 1 TB download. It's less than 100 GB.
The game downloads the scenery while you fly (the reason ideal specs mention Bandwidth : 50 Mbps). Doesn't this data remain on your PC or is this downloaded again when you fly the same area the next day ?
If there is no need to download it again you could collect more than 1TB on your HD after you took a trip around the world.
When I installed it said I needed approximately 147 GB of available HD space and the actual download was more like 93 GB. It doesn't make sense that you could need up to 1TB of HD space while in flight because of downloads while in game. If that is the case, a lot of people are going to have to drop out mid-flight to free up HD space.
Ouch. But it wouldn't be the first time that a particular game pushed the hardware spec envelope and forced gamers to upgrade hardware. Microsoft and its Flight Sim are big enough to pull that off.
Overall, sounds like a great sim, that I might consider.
Twenty-five years ago I was a big fan of MS Flight Simulator. But now I am not certain that simple flight from here to there, enjoying the scenery along the way is enough to interest me.
If I am going to fly around, why not over the Western Front in 1917 (Rise of Flight)? or over Stalingrad in 1942? (IL-2 Sturmovik) Anyway, I will keep my eye on Flight Sim...and perhaps wait for a sale and my next hardware upgrade.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 19, 2020, 07:49:37 AM
When I installed it said I needed approximately 147 GB of available HD space and the actual download was more like 93 GB. It doesn't make sense that you could need up to 1TB of HD space while in flight because of downloads while in game. If that is the case, a lot of people are going to have to drop out mid-flight to free up HD space.
Not 1TB for a single flight but to store a large part of the whole planet scenery on your HD instead of downloading it every time as you fly.
Minimal bandwidth required is 5 Mb, recommended is 20 Mb and ideal is 50 Mb. If we take an average of 10 Mb/s that gives you 1.25 MB/s. After an hour of flying at 10 Mb/s you have downloaded 4.500 MB or 4,5 GB. If your game settings require you to download at 50 Mb/s an hour leaves you with 22,5 GB downloaded.
If this downloaded data remains on your HD after a while 1TB isn't unreasonable.
I don't have the game so I can't check this, but I guess there isn't a way to save this data for later use. I would prefer such an option because reading data from an SSD or even a regular HD is much faster (> 200 MB/s) and could help the issue people have who report 10 FPS over large cities.
I picked this up doing the $1 trial of Games for Windows. What would be an inexpensive joystick to pickup to use for the sim? I bounce between an 65% and 87% keyboard and have a mouse and a sony dualshock but not even close to being able to play with the game without some major reconfiguring.
I've been following pricing of flight sticks and it's crazy high at the moment probably due to the release of MSFS 2020. A Logitect G 56X is selling for a price almost as high as a Thrustmaster Warthog. That's just insane. You may want to wait for prices to get back to sane levels before you shop for one now.
Quote from: mbar on August 19, 2020, 03:54:58 PM
I've been following pricing of flight sticks and it's crazy high at the moment probably due to the release of MSFS 2020. A Logitect G 56X is selling for a price almost as high as a Thrustmaster Warthog. That's just insane. You may want to wait for prices to get back to sane levels before you shop for one now.
If that's the case why not go for the warthog or better.
Quote from: WYBaugh on August 19, 2020, 03:49:06 PM
What would be an inexpensive joystick to pickup to use for the sim?
My first stick was the Logitech extreme 3d pro. I think I paid around 50 € ($60) for it and you should still be able to find it for sale at that price.
Not enough buttons for combat flight sims (DCS etc) but should be great for this game.
Awesome, thank you guys!
Quote from: WYBaugh on August 19, 2020, 03:49:06 PM
What would be an inexpensive joystick to pickup to use for the sim?
I've used for many years a Thrustmaster T16000. It has a few buttons (incl hatswitch for looking around at all that scenery), is twistable for rudder, and has a slider for throttle. Its main selling point is that has HALL-effect sensors rather than potentiometers for the input, so it doesn't suffer from "spiking" over time. And it is pretty much entry-level price-wise.
Sorry people, I was way out of line with the 1TB download! Big mistake. :uglystupid2:
My clean Steam installation of MFS is currently 0.98 GB while the main install path is 100GB (So 101GB vanilla all up)
Compared to this my Steam FSX install totals 34.4 GB obviously with many, many more aircraft etc.
Quote from: Yskonyn on July 17, 2020, 12:57:50 AM
Quote from: Skoop on July 16, 2020, 12:24:07 AM
^ Thats a good call, and I also suspect it'll go on half off sale in a year.
Yet everyone will not be able to contain himself and have it installed right on releaseday regardless. Mark my words. If not that, then surely shortly after. 😂
Called it! L:-)
As with every previous version of MSFS, there have been some quirks at release. Here's how the Washington Monument is being displayed:
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FEfvqbzmXgAEC3CN%3Fformat%3Djpg%26amp%3Bname%3Dmedium&hash=6df8010fc1e6fbbcb8fceeeac9dfa09d02cbd9db)
More in this article:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/20/21376978/microsoft-flight-simulator-glitches-maps-bugs
I feel like people are focusing on these fairly minor errors (some of which people seem to be genuinely outraged by) while not appreciating that the whole world is in the game and it looks amazing. I'm confident the most obvious errors will eventually be rectified (maybe someone is already contracted to do Washington DC in detail?) but there's this vocal group that just seems to relish in trashing the game. I've see this happen time and time again in the sim community - whether it's a missing rivet texture on a Bf-109E2-4239i3 or a tank's color is a shade off. Simmers are destined to continue eating their own children, which is why sims are such a niche product.
Anyone on the fence to get MSFS on Steam right now is gonna look at those absurd reviews (like 90% of them are about download time counting as play time for refund purposes, but as I understand that Steam has been granting refunds anyway) and miss the fact that what MS accomplished here is astonishing. People keep asking for a whole-world simulator (like TitanIM, VBS4 or something) and MS is the first one to actually do that. And it looks way better than Titan or VBS. You just can't shoot anything. Yet.
Quote from: Skoop on August 19, 2020, 04:03:15 PM
If that's the case why not go for the warthog or better.
Exactly. But I've been checking that and they are $800+ USD now. A few days ago they were their normal $400~ Availability of sticks are low on Amazon at least.
Wow, might as well get a virpil at this point. Buy the best and only cry once. Plus a virpil stick will last a lifetime. My warthog wore out just like a saitek or any other cheap model.
Quote from: steve58 on August 20, 2020, 08:11:58 AM
As with every previous version of MSFS, there have been some quirks at release. Here's how the Washington Monument is being displayed:
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FEfvqbzmXgAEC3CN%3Fformat%3Djpg%26amp%3Bname%3Dmedium&hash=6df8010fc1e6fbbcb8fceeeac9dfa09d02cbd9db)
More in this article:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/20/21376978/microsoft-flight-simulator-glitches-maps-bugs
Wonder if it's left like that as intentional. Meaning you'll have to get a 3rd party addon for spot on dc graffics and landmarks. The 3rd party addon ecosystem is already ramping up with products. The sim looks so good though you may not need much.
The reviews say the ATC is week like the previous sims, so you'll need an addon for that or just do mp / vatsim. Also weather looks great but active sky will be next level for this. PMDG is already underway with their 737, I have it preordered. Probaly won't touch the sim much until it's released.
Well this article (https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21395084/microsoft-flight-simulator-melbourne-obelish-openstreetmap-bing-maps-data-glitch) explains one of the anomalies, and probably lots more. Apparently Microsoft's Bing Map used data from OpenStreetMap, a Wikipedia-like map site that anyone can use to create and edit maps.
Quote from: Skoop on August 20, 2020, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: steve58 on August 20, 2020, 08:11:58 AM
As with every previous version of MSFS, there have been some quirks at release. Here's how the Washington Monument is being displayed:
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FEfvqbzmXgAEC3CN%3Fformat%3Djpg%26amp%3Bname%3Dmedium&hash=6df8010fc1e6fbbcb8fceeeac9dfa09d02cbd9db)
More in this article:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/20/21376978/microsoft-flight-simulator-glitches-maps-bugs
Wonder if it's left like that as intentional. Meaning you'll have to get a 3rd party addon for spot on dc graffics and landmarks. The 3rd party addon ecosystem is already ramping up with products.
https://orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/198113-first-products-announced-for-microsoft-flight-simulator/
To support the new platform, we will be releasing several products available at, or shortly after, launch. During the launch window, new products will be available for purchase at competitive pricing levels, ranging from US$7.99 to US$19.99 through both OrbxDirect and the Microsoft FlightSim Marketplace.
We are also happy to confirm that current owners of Orbx the products running on FSX, Prepar3D, X-Plane and Aerofly FS 2 that are launched for Microsoft Flight Simulator will receive a 40% discount on those respective products.
Orbx has packaged together hundreds of iconic London buildings and landmarks for you.
Take flight over the city of London in Microsoft Flight Simulator, and enjoy the true British experience with this must-have pack of London's most famous and treasured landmarks.
We have reproduced hundreds of key buildings and landmarks for you to enjoy as you immerse yourself in flight over the River Thames.
^ Reddit FS community is saying that London pack is pretty awful and a clear money grab. Haven't tried it myself, though.
I tried to download it after getting the Microsoft game pass. Short story is it did not work.
It just refuses to even download, let alone install. It also will not install the xbox app either. I then went to check and see if I was missing a Windows update, and that is broken too. Gives me some error saying that the update can't be installed, try again later, and here is a code you can google. So it looks like I won't be flying around anytime soon. Too bad really, I was looking forward to a nice chillout game. Hope others are having better luck at actually installing and playing the game than I am!
That's too bad....I have the GamePass version and everything has gone fine so far...although have limited time playing so far.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 22, 2020, 06:38:17 PM
That's too bad....I have the GamePass version and everything has gone fine so far...although have limited time playing so far.
Same here...sounds like a windows or system error, not a MSFS issue. That certainly doesn't make it any less annoying I'm sure... :pullhair:
Yup its some kind of Microsoft issue. I tried checking for an update and that failed, and then I got a few other errors as well. Running the troubleshooter didn't do anything. So it looks like some kind of general Microsoft issue. Not really sure what to do about it, but I'm kinda hoping that it'll be resolved during this coming week. Could be an issue on Microsofts end.
Miller, is your Win10 install an upgrade from 7 or 8.1 by any chance?
I had similar issues you mentioned after upgrading and the net has countless of cases tracing back to the root cause of upgrading a previous windows version.
I bit the bullit and wiped clean and started with a fresh Win 10 install. Never a problem since.
Quote from: Yskonyn on August 23, 2020, 08:38:25 AM
Miller, is your Win10 install an upgrade from 7 or 8.1 by any chance?
I had similar issues you mentioned after upgrading and the net has countless of cases tracing back to the root cause of upgrading a previous windows version.
I bit the bullit and wiped clean and started with a fresh Win 10 install. Never a problem since.
It was originally an update from Windows 7, but I've done a fresh Windows install since that update. I appreciate the advise though. I've tried the troubleshooter and running a few command prompt commands. One of them was the sfc/scannow command that found corrupted files and claims to have fixed them, but I still get the 0x80080005 error code when I try checking for Windows updates, and I still cannot download anything from the Microsoft store. *sigh* gotta love Windows...
Useful
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/how-to-graphics-settings-and-performance-guide-8-18-2020/132407
Interesting
https://youtu.be/2Rl_onmgoV8?t=2996
Patch coming August 27 focused on performance and install issues.
That must be frustrating as heck, Cpt.
I'm hoping there might be a hotfix or something sometime this week. Who knows, could be part of the patch RyanE mentioned. It's only a dollar (so far) and a few days, so while it is quite frustrating its nothing to burn the town down over.
Anyways, how is everyone else enjoying it? From what I've seen, it looks really fantastic. The only thing that seems like a con to me is that there are only 20-30 aircraft modeled, and most of them are small. I always prefer the larger airliners to fly in these kinds of games, so I'm hoping we see more of those added in the near future.
Also, there is a fantastic YouTuber who primarily does Ace Combat/DCS mashups called Nassault. He did a video on MSFS that came out today and it really is quite beautiful.
Here is a link to it:
Quote from: IICptMillerII on August 23, 2020, 09:55:50 PM
Anyways, how is everyone else enjoying it? From what I've seen, it looks really fantastic. The only thing that seems like a con to me is that there are only 20-30 aircraft modeled, and most of them are small.
I don't have it so this isn't my view, but the opinion of a real life A320 pilot I watched Saturday (latest video : P3D v5 FSLabs A320 + a bit of FS2020 | Circuits in an A320) on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/katiepilot/about) :
FS2020 is a great game with excellent graphics but in it's current state it isn't a real simulator. If you are looking for that wait until some payware airplanes are released and watch how they perform in this new environment.
I must admit that it isn't really fair to compare P3D with a $139,95 addon (FSLabs A320X) to a standard aircraft (A320 neo) in FS2020.
I really can't believe that people expected FS20 to be the equivalent of XP11 or P3D or FSX right out of the box. Those games had over 10 years of development in the bag. IIRC, FS and XP had pretty limited stables of native aircraft on launch. In fact, FSX on Steam has about 30 aircraft included. And the FSX non-Steam and Steam versions are somewhat incompatible and have split the market.
Keep in mind that FS20 has been out for FOUR days. My son and I have been flying it every day for several hours. In fact, he's a pilot and went out and flew his C172 then came back and flew it in FS20. He said its the closest he has ever felt to flying on his PC. Now he has a full Honeycomb-based cockpit set up, so its really not fair.
His standard is XP. And for anyone to even consider complaining about FS20 compared to XP is either not being honest or has not thought it all the way through. I spend, on average, 1-2 hours a week helping him tune his i7-9XXX, 1660 Super system to squeeze fps out of XP. The Vulcan-based XP 11.5 (non-beta) was only released very recently and has improved it somewhat, but he still gets about 35-37 fps maximum over loaded cities and in clouds. And its somewhat unstable. Austin continues to promise all kinds of optimization and upgrades on the roadmap, but it'll take years. And compared to FS20, it looks like crap. Because FS20 has his main airplane, he said he'll most likely switch to FS20 as his standard. btw, he has always thought the 172 in XP was way too responsive to roll input.
So my verdict: I probably won't ever again fly another civilian flight sim. There are performance issues and a bunch of small anomalies in the scenery. But no other sim has made me forget reality as I'm playing it. It is only the start of it development and it already exceeds XP and FSX in the "feel of flight" category. I have never play P3D, so that might be closer. But my son stated that P3D can only complete with FSX in very specific locations where 3rd party development has created very good airports.
Well after battling both Microsoft and my desktop all day (as well as having a big scare over lost data when Microsoft decided to start booting from the other drive I have) I have finally managed to get up and running. Currently MSFS is downloading, so I likely will not get a chance to play it till tomorrow sometime, but I'm finally on the right track!
As to the discussion concerning the level of sim it provides, to an absolute novice with absolutely no real life time behind a joystick in a real cockpit, it looks like it gets all of the basics. I know the team developing the game has said that they plan on making this a platform that they continue to support and develop for years to come. To me, as long as they deliver, that is more than enough to justify the price of admission. I'm not overly thrilled by the current offering (like I said I would like more large aircraft) but knowing that more will be added and the sim will be further fleshed out as time goes on, I'm not worried. I also don't hold it against the devs for approaching the sim this way. Complex systems like this are hard to develop. Better to start small but solid and build from there.
Looking forward to actually getting a chance to fly around!
MSFS's core aircraft never were super high fidelity.
Only the General Aviation type aircraft could be considered proper sinulated models, but their airliners never were.
MSFS has always been more a platform for civil aviation rather than an all encompassing sim with high fidelity aircraft. Its the 3rd party developers that offered study sim quality material.
Already have the PMDG 737for MSFS on order. Just waiting for them to release it. Might be months though.
Quote from: Skoop on August 25, 2020, 11:47:31 AM
Already have the PMDG 737for MSFS on order. Just waiting for them to release it. Might be months though.
https://www.thresholdx.net/news/pmdg73
https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/73673-30jul20-pending-updates-update-and-pmdg-737ng3-for-microsoft-flight-simulator-first-look
As for the rollout of the NG3, Randazzo says that beta testing is looking to be in Q4 of 2020, with a release hopefully around Q1 2021, although this is all subject to change :(.
Quote from: RyanE on August 24, 2020, 06:08:44 AM
I really can't believe that people expected FS20 to be the equivalent of XP11 or P3D or FSX right out of the box. Those games had over 10 years of development in the bag. IIRC, FS and XP had pretty limited stables of native aircraft on launch. In fact, FSX on Steam has about 30 aircraft included. And the FSX non-Steam and Steam versions are somewhat incompatible and have split the market.
Keep in mind that FS20 has been out for FOUR days. My son and I have been flying it every day for several hours. In fact, he's a pilot and went out and flew his C172 then came back and flew it in FS20. He said its the closest he has ever felt to flying on his PC. Now he has a full Honeycomb-based cockpit set up, so its really not fair.
His standard is XP. And for anyone to even consider complaining about FS20 compared to XP is either not being honest or has not thought it all the way through. I spend, on average, 1-2 hours a week helping him tune his i7-9XXX, 1660 Super system to squeeze fps out of XP. The Vulcan-based XP 11.5 (non-beta) was only released very recently and has improved it somewhat, but he still gets about 35-37 fps maximum over loaded cities and in clouds. And its somewhat unstable. Austin continues to promise all kinds of optimization and upgrades on the roadmap, but it'll take years. And compared to FS20, it looks like crap. Because FS20 has his main airplane, he said he'll most likely switch to FS20 as his standard. btw, he has always thought the 172 in XP was way too responsive to roll input.
So my verdict: I probably won't ever again fly another civilian flight sim. There are performance issues and a bunch of small anomalies in the scenery. But no other sim has made me forget reality as I'm playing it. It is only the start of it development and it already exceeds XP and FSX in the "feel of flight" category. I have never play P3D, so that might be closer. But my son stated that P3D can only complete with FSX in very specific locations where 3rd party development has created very good airports.
Oh boy. I was thinking wait for sale but you're tempting me with this verdict. Wish I could port my F-106 over to 2020.
I think I'll go for the base game unless you want to talk me into an upgrade.
The upgrade is a very good deal if you like the extra airports it gives.
One 3rd party airport module goes for 40 bucks easily.
If you don't care much, go for the base game. There are no features locked behind the upgrade paywall aside from some aircraft and airports.
I just flew around a couple places I used to live, both fairly out of the way, and while it is by no means a 1 for 1 representation the terrain matches better than anything I have seen in a flight sim before. Granted, I never sprung for any of the addon terrain stuff for the last Flight Sim or X-Plane. It was good enough to do basic navigation, and there were usually buildings where they were supposed to be, and rivers and streams and roads where they were supposed to be. Even things like small ball fields and riding arenas and such. Was funny seeing an 18 wheeler on the dirt road to my house though. That ain't happenin ;)
Was just messing around using an XBox controller to check it out, so no input on how it feels to fly or anything. Might be worth dragging the old CH Pro stuff out of the closet for a run.
The bizarre part is that even with the new 11.5 XP with no add-ons, I get 45 fps at best over NYC at 5000 ft. on a cloudy day. Thats not quite on highest settings. And people are screaming about FS20 at 35 fps on High settings.
This is on an i7-10980HK and RTX 2080 Super laptop
Anything from 30 fps and up is fine for civilian flightsimming imo.
Quote from: RyanE on August 26, 2020, 10:13:20 AM
The bizarre part is that even with the new 11.5 XP with no add-ons, I get 45 fps at best over NYC at 5000 ft. on a cloudy day. Thats not quite on highest settings. And people are screaming about FS20 at 35 fps on High settings.
This is on an i7-10980HK and RTX 2080 Super laptop
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/microsoft-flight-simulator-benchmarks-performance-system-requirements
Microsoft Flight Simulator is one of the most demanding games currently available.
If you're a flight sim enthusiast, the latest version of Microsoft Flight Simulator is certain to keep you busy for many years to come. It's also likely to put a massive dent in your wallet, particularly if you want to run at higher quality settings. We're used to seeing the GPU become the main bottleneck at higher graphics settings, but even a Core i9-9900K couldn't quite keep up with the fastest Nvidia GPUs right now at 1080p and 1440p. If you have anything less than a Core i9-9900K, you won't even benefit from a GPU faster than the RTX 2070 unless your resolution is at least 1440p.
My point isn't that FS20 isn't demanding of hardware. It is. My point is that using XP as a comparison isn't being fair. XP's performance has sucked for decades and has only recently started getting better. It completely failed to take advantage of modern hardware. It was only when the hint of a relaunch of FS and some real competition from P3D that finally got them moving to modernize the architecture. And even then, they went the Vulcan/Metal route instead of DX.
The 2nd point is that we are still less than a week into FS20 release. Austin has had years to do better and got too comfortable and too focused on the tiny Mac audience. I hope Laminar can survive. My son loves them. But they absolutely no one to blame except themselves and some very poor marketing choices. Laminar is the BFC of the flight sim world. Great product, a core hardcore fan base, an out-of-touch owner, and a slavish devotion to supporting a Mac customer base with OpenGL.
Loved the "laminar is the bfc of flight sims".
Having had some more time to play around, I'm starting to notice a few issues. Take the following with a hefty grain of salt. I'm still learning everything, and I have by no means dedicated myself to actually studying before flying. Plus, I am most certainly not a civil aviation grog. This is my first civil aviation sim in at least a decade, if not longer.
The autopilot is fickle at best, and many times is either just broken or does not function according to documentation. For example, in an aircraft with a full suite of autopilot functions, none of the keyboard controls work. No changing altitude, speed, or even wing leveler. Maybe I'm just being a rock banger, but the only thing I can seem to get working is turning the thing on.
On the flipside, the autotrim can be maddening at times. Again, probably an aircraft specific thing, but there are times where I cannot seem to turn it off, and other times where it has a mind of its own. It loves to trim out a 30 degree angle of attack for example.
I've also had some issues with the "LIVE" feature, such as live weather and air traffic. Sometimes it seems to work, and other times not at all. Yesterday a thunderstorm came through IRL, so I loaded up MSFS to fly around and check it out in real time in the sim. Except when I loaded in, there was no thunderstorm or even clouds. According to the weather data, it was a clear sunny day. Any yes, I did make sure to set everything to the "LIVE" setting before taking off.
I was able to fly around tropical storm Laura today though, so who knows whats going on.
Last big thing I keep encountering is, no contrails! I know the devs have already confirmed that they will be added in a later update, but as someone who does appreciate a bit of eye candy, lacking contrails in a flight sim certainly hurts a bit. Again, that said, the rest of the sim is beautiful, and contrails will be added later on in an update, so this is a very minor gripe.
I'm still glad I got it and have it up and running, and my overall experience with the sim has been very positive. For those here who are still on the fence about picking it up, I would say it is definitely worth it, but there is no harm in waiting a month or so for an update or two to come out first to flesh out the base features a bit.
https://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/155563-for-free-airport-paderbornlippstadt-for-microsoft-flight-simulator-released/
https://secure.simmarket.com/aerosoft-airport-paderbornlippstadt-msfs-free.phtml
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With a single runway of 2,180 meters it can accommodate most aircraft sizes. Regardless if you're practicing short field landings in a Cessna 152 or landing a fully booked Boeing 747 Paderborn airport should have you covered!
Features:
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Custom jetway models
Custom windsock models
If this (Celera 500L (https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/celera-500l-plane/index.html)) gets added to MSFS, it might make me buy. Looks frackin awesome.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdynaimage.cdn.cnn.com%2Fcnn%2Fq_auto%2Cw_1013%2Cc_fill%2Cg_auto%2Ch_570%2Car_16%3A9%2Fhttp%253A%252F%252Fcdn.cnn.com%252Fcnnnext%252Fdam%252Fassets%252F200827161332-celera-500l-image-1570.jpg&hash=473ff96daf397947c0714439380148f3c9e32c73)
Best to watch in full screen. Gives some good insight into performance and settings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVS8nId9oA&feature=emb_logo
This is FSX vs FS20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QClZWUdEXgQ
I'm seriously considering a $1700 desktop for FS20. That doesn't even include the monitor. I need to be talked down.
1700 sounds good...what are the specs?
Frankly, I would hold off until the patch next week. Its all playable as is, but I think they will fix some of the issues with FPS and GPU loading that might allow you to back off high-end components.
Even in the menus, my GPU is at 99% full bore just sitting. In the menus. Once I am in game, runs about 50% on ultra. So I would wait for fixes and plan for the fixes.
By son built an i7-10700K, 32 Gb RAM, and a 1080 GPU for just under $1700. Its an ASUS motherboard and very large Corsair enclosure. Its one of the fanciest desktops I have ever seen. Its got incredible liquid cooling and expensive thermal paste for the CPU and GPU.
Quote from: Gusington on August 28, 2020, 06:07:17 PM
1700 sounds good...what are the specs?
Intel Core i9 9th Gen 9900K (3.60 GHz)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB
G.SKILL TridentZ RGB 16GB DDR4 3200MHz
1TB SSD
Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Liquid Cooling 240mm
https://www.newegg.com/abs-computer-technologies-mage-h-ali335/p/N82E16883102800?Item=N82E16883102800&recaptcha=pass
I don't care for the fancy lights and I think I'd like to double the RAM. But I've also been using laptops exclusively for the last 10 years or so and I have no idea what is good now, nor the time and space to build anything on my own.
A lot of the cases come with lighting these days. You should be able to turn it off, at least you can on mine.
That's a good build - I think you can get the price even lower, maybe even to around 1200-1300.
I would not buy a rtx 2000 series right now.
Nvidia is showing the 3000 series in september, just a heads up.
If the reports are right, the 3000 series will make Raytracing perform much better than the 2000 series while they are probably similarly priced as launchprice of 2000 series.
Quote from: Gusington on August 29, 2020, 08:19:39 AM
That's a good build - I think you can get the price even lower, maybe even to around 1200-1300.
How? I don't have the space or time to build my own. I'm also living outside the states, so I'll have to ship it. I'm in the UK and the UK storefront has the same system costs the same amount in GBP (so 20-30% more expensive).
A 2080 Super is about $700. An i9-9900k is around $400, case with cooler is $200. Ram is another $100. SSD 1Tb is may another $100. Thats if you buy them piecemeal. Total that to $1500. Shipping is probably a wash with a lean toward individual components being higher total.
$1700 looks like a pretty good deal.
Well if you can't build your own, but if you can wait until the holidays, you could catch a sale on that system or similar.
Make sure you read the reviews on this PC. The main negative issues seem to be a number of DOAs and the power supply. Frankly, I thinks a pretty good deal. The motherboard is decent. Even if you end up needing more room or power later, it is at least a base to start from. I would imagine you can get 40 fps minimum on Tltra with FS20 in even the worst situations.
I agree with RyanE that build is pretty good for the price. You could always add the Nvidia 3000 series later as graphics card are the easiest thing to upgrade. Just buy it and plug it in to the mobo. You also gota think how much a beefier system will improve not just fs2020, but dcs, il2, or any other sim you want to use.
Keep in mind that first time PC building is not as simple as some people, who have done it a few times, make out. I watched my son struggle through school of hard knocks. Whether it was sizing the wrong power supply, screwing his thermal paste, kinking his liquid cooling hoses, motherboard connectors, etc. He spent two days troubleshooting the pin-outs for fans on the mother board and a couple days figuring his drives and the SATA wiring out. In all, he spent a full week just building and trouble shooting. And he's an electrical engineer with a pretty good innate understanding of PCs. His biggest mistake was ordering the wrong motherboard. Lost a week in returning and getting a new one.
But when he helped my other son build his, it took a weekend.
PS - Don't forget you need a LEGAL copy of windows on a build. That's another $100.
I've been playing around more with MSFS and I've been enjoying it a lot. Flying around to places I know, or just soaring across the sky in an Airbus. For sitting around for hours on autopilot and pre-made flight plans, the game is surprisingly fun. Still dealing with a few of its hiccups every now and then, but for the most part everything has been great, and any issues I've had are minor. I've taken to actually learning the cockpits and using the autopilot systems that come with the aircraft as well.
Some beauty shots I've taken that I'm rather fond of. The livery seen is from the large freeware livery pack and is not stock to the game.
Flying towards a storm over Florida:
(https://i.imgur.com/rsCCROf.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/LQ0kQOU.png)
Pikes Peak in Colorado:
(https://i.imgur.com/5Rl8QkY.png)
Sunset over Southern Colorado on the way to Phoenix, Arizona:
(https://i.imgur.com/VOGhXxm.png)
This one almost brings a tear to my eyes.
https://youtu.be/isvWpUXgKgM
Quote from: RyanE on August 29, 2020, 02:19:26 PM
Keep in mind that first time PC building is not as simple as some people, who have done it a few times, make out. I watched my son struggle through school of hard knocks. Whether it was sizing the wrong power supply, screwing his thermal paste, kinking his liquid cooling hoses, motherboard connectors, etc. He spent two days troubleshooting the pin-outs for fans on the mother board and a couple days figuring his drives and the SATA wiring out. In all, he spent a full week just building and trouble shooting. And he's an electrical engineer with a pretty good innate understanding of PCs. His biggest mistake was ordering the wrong motherboard. Lost a week in returning and getting a new one.
But when he helped my other son build his, it took a weekend.
PS - Don't forget you need a LEGAL copy of windows on a build. That's another $100.
Totally agree. I've built most of my machines for the last 20 years, and it still can be nerve wracking when nothing happens when you hit that power switch. It can be a total pain to figure out what you did wrong, or if you have a bad part (and which one??)
Patch is available. Just start up MSFS20 and it'll automatically take you through the update.
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/news-patch-version-1-7-14-0-update/245576
New patch...
https://www.flightsimulator.com/patch-version-1-8-3-0-is-now-available/
Seems to address a lot of stuff. Five minutes of flying and the airliners are much smoother, even in heavy cities.
Question: if I buy the cheap standard version, can I later buy the planes and airports in the other editions?
I hear there is some kind of shop, but I can't check before I buy.
Quote from: Redwolf on October 03, 2020, 03:40:44 PM
Question: if I buy the cheap standard version, can I later buy the planes and airports in the other editions?
I hear there is some kind of shop, but I can't check before I buy.
There is a marketplace in the game where you can buy additional airports, scenery, planes, etc. I looked up some of the airports that came with the deluxe and premium versions and I could only find one (O'Hare) that is available as a separate purchase versus buying the deluxe/premium bundles. You can also upgrade from standard to one of the other bundles within the marketplace. No idea if they plan to eventually add the other stuff as separate purchases or whether you'll always need to upgrade to one of the bundles.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 03, 2020, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: Redwolf on October 03, 2020, 03:40:44 PM
Question: if I buy the cheap standard version, can I later buy the planes and airports in the other editions?
I hear there is some kind of shop, but I can't check before I buy.
There is a marketplace in the game where you can buy additional airports, scenery, planes, etc. I looked up some of the airports that came with the deluxe and premium versions and I could only find one (O'Hare) that is available as a separate purchase versus buying the deluxe/premium bundles. You can also upgrade from standard to one of the other bundles within the marketplace. No idea if they plan to eventually add the other stuff as separate purchases or whether you'll always need to upgrade to one of the bundles.
Traditionally the aircraft and airports were only availlable to those who bought the higher tier versions, but with this version you can upgrade later.
Of course there is the distinction between 3rd party work as well; the aircraft / airports (especially) might be re-done by a third party group and that would enable you to buy it seperately. However, the deal on the upgraded tiers is pretty sweet IMO if those give you airports you will frequent often, as airport addons usually go for 20 to 30 a piece.
Thanks, folks. Buying the upgrade packages later is exactly what I need. I just don't want to overspend before I'm sure I like it.
Also, I want a F-4 Phantom II in there :)
I just ordered a brand new computer specifically for this. I'm not even all that keen on the flying... I just want to go sightseeing.
Quote from: hellfish6 on October 04, 2020, 09:29:44 AM
I just ordered a brand new computer specifically for this. I'm not even all that keen on the flying... I just want to go sightseeing.
I haven't even plugged a stick or pedals in so far, just been visiting various places using an Xbox controller just to sightsee.
It is downloading the 110 GB for more than 24 hours now. Is that normal?
Quote from: Redwolf on October 05, 2020, 06:59:19 AM
It is downloading the 110 GB for more than 24 hours now. Is that normal?
I guess depends on your internet connection...I consider my connection on the slower side, still on DSL. With this I am able to download about 10-11GB per hour, which would take me about 10 hrs to download (roughly what I remembered when I downloaded---did not take 24 hours). So in my case, 24 hours would seem excessive unless your internet connection is about twice as slow as mine.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 05, 2020, 08:37:46 AM
Quote from: Redwolf on October 05, 2020, 06:59:19 AM
It is downloading the 110 GB for more than 24 hours now. Is that normal?
I guess depends on your internet connection...I consider my connection on the slower side, still on DSL. With this I am able to download about 10-11GB per hour, which would take me about 10 hrs to download (roughly what I remembered when I downloaded---did not take 24 hours). So in my case, 24 hours would seem excessive unless your internet connection is about twice as slow as mine.
I have Gbit. Turns out the download was hanging on a specific patch. I nuked some stuff and restarted the patching.
Download is complete, but now I'm waiting for loading. Seems like I should move this install off the magnetic drive and use a SSD.
How is everybody doing with this thing?
I cannot say that it meets my expectations. In fact I am thinking about canceling my PC upgrade program since more and more games aren't worth the expense. I think Assetto Corsa Competitione is the only game I play and like that would really benefit from new hardware.
I love it. It's exactly what I expected it to be, which is rare.
Bought this yesterday after hearing I will probably not fly IRL for the rest of the year due to the pandemic.
I am simply awestruck seeing this in action on my 4K 43" monitor in all its glory! The weather effects, the lighting and the scenery. Simply breathtaking! Not quite like mother earth, but uncanny no less! 😀
Quote from: Redwolf on October 29, 2020, 12:21:22 PM
How is everybody doing with this thing?
I cannot say that it meets my expectations. In fact I am thinking about canceling my PC upgrade program since more and more games aren't worth the expense. I think Assetto Corsa Competitione is the only game I play and like that would really benefit from new hardware.
Its fantastic ... one of those games that lived up to the hype. some things to address - but the basic promise was delivered.
Quote from: Zulu1966 on November 05, 2020, 10:23:58 AM
Quote from: Redwolf on October 29, 2020, 12:21:22 PM
How is everybody doing with this thing?
I cannot say that it meets my expectations. In fact I am thinking about canceling my PC upgrade program since more and more games aren't worth the expense. I think Assetto Corsa Competitione is the only game I play and like that would really benefit from new hardware.
Its fantastic ... one of those games that lived up to the hype. some things to address - but the basic promise was delivered.
Well yes, but if you're unfamiliar with Flightsim and was only drawn to it from seeing the absolutely stunning trailers, I can imagine you might be left with some dissapointment if you were planning on going to have the full IFR experience in an airliner.
For VFR flights and general aviation class the sim is simply digital porn, but the IFR side (instruments and procedures + atc; NOT weather, thats awesome) is lacking.
The airliner you get when shelling out more for the deluxe edition is a shadow of the real thing.
BUT (I've said it before):
MSFS has always been good at general aviation and VFR and lacking in the IFR department; 3rd party developers always carried the torch there.
As a simming platform, however, MSFS 2020 blows everything out of the water on visuals and potential for expansion.
I've registered with FSEconomy. This allows you to make money doing flights and build a company over time. Gives one some nice direction to play!
I wonder if there's any point hoping for Deadstick to appear someday, if FSEconomy and some clever modders manage to do much the same thing in FS2020?
I really liked Air Hauler 2 for FSX. I was flying a turboprop around Madagascar delivering whatever I could carry and enjoying the shit out of it. I'm definitely keeping an eye out for an FS2020 version.
The paradox for me is that I've always been a combat air simmer. I never thought I'd be keen on flying without bombing. Air Hauler 2 and the porn factor in MSFS changed my mind - especially after the disappointment of the new IL-2 series and the inability to remember all the details and switchology I need for DCS.
Quote from: hellfish6 on November 05, 2020, 05:25:01 PM
I really liked Air Hauler 2 for FSX. I was flying a turboprop around Madagascar delivering whatever I could carry and enjoying the shit out of it. I'm definitely keeping an eye out for an FS2020 version.
So shall I then! :notworthy:
It's subscription based with a 7 day free trial:
https://www.onair.company/
Might be what you're looking for.
There is also this mod (free):
https://maugiroe.wixsite.com/neofly
It gives you randomly generated missions out of 10 'classes'. There is also a career mode included.
And if you want a more intricate (but vintage UI style) experience with slowly building up your assets there is https://www.fseconomy.net/
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 06, 2020, 12:56:01 AM
https://maugiroe.wixsite.com/neofly
It gives you randomly generated missions out of 10 ‘classes’. There is also a career mode included.
And if you want a more intricate (but vintage UI style) experience with slowly building up your assets there is https://www.fseconomy.net/
Oh nice. I'll check these out.
Now I just need my Navy patrol aircraft to get ported over... mmmm... PBM Marlin jumping around the South Pacific...