No publicly available trailer yet, but some footage was shown at D23
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-infinity-war-blockbuster-first-footage-brings-d23-feet-1021084
QuoteWhen Feige suggested that Bautista's Drax might be able to take Thanos down, Brolin responded: "Drax ain't shit.
:DD :DD :DD :DD :DD
Drax wouldn't get it. He'd say, "Of course I am not made of feces. I am made of muscle and anger". :clap:
Drax couldn't even take down Ronan. It wasn't even close. It wasn't even distant. He'll need to amp up a lot.
are you feeling ok Jason?
Are you feelng okay, Goatsy? Posting during daylight hours?!
https://www.maxim.com/entertainment/avengers-infinity-war-vanity-fair-covers-2017-11
https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/935117622630408192?s=17
I saw that this morning. I thought it was still 'unofficial' with some possible studio head-fakes. But whatever it is, TAKE MY MONEY NOW. Please, please, PLEASE!!! :smitten:
Yep. Looks damn good.
Looks Scarlett Johansonn good.
Which is damn good!
Ok , I'm in !!!!! I'd like to reserve my cinema ticket for this one now please :D the trailer looks awesome , and I also think captain America looks better with a beard ....more badass 8) I loved the captain America civil war movie ,saw it at the cinema , and it was well worth paying money to go and see it on the big screen :)
Cap is just dreamy with a beard! :smitten:
Not as dreamy as doctor banner :smitten: now there's a guy who doesn't need a beard to look badass ;D black widow needs to get her act together and snap up the hulk ....
Watching this clip, Disney really needs to reboot Star Wars.
Quote from: mirth on November 29, 2017, 02:06:12 PM
Heh, just now watched it. I think I need a cigarette.
Yes, I don't even care where I left my pants. Hope she calls me tomorrow. :dreamer: :dreamer: :dreamer:
Meanwhile, the acquisition of 20th Century Fox (...is it still called that??) by Disney continues to move forward. Apparently.
I'd be up for a Deadpool / Spider-Man movie.
I've read some of the comics when I was young, but never got deep into them. I know some of you here are big into them. With what was done with the movies, are you disappointed that they didn't follow the comics or did they stay pretty true to them.
I followed only a few of them with passion (X-Men, Spider-Man (several), Iron Man), and only for about 9 years or so, from about '82 to '91. Plus some other things, such as annuals and graphic novels. I'd like to think I'm generally familiar with the MCU, and that said, I think the movies are perfectly great the way they are.
I'm not sure how close they follow the comics but there are some similarities. Thor: Ragnarok had some influence from Planet Hulk, I think (I never read PH but was familiar vaguely with it). It's good to see some of that influencing the movies, probably far more than I am aware of.
I collected and read all those Avengers as well as Warlock and the Infinity Watch. Been a long time since I read them and I don't still have them, so, I can't tell you how true they are to the source material. I will say that I've been pleased with the focus on the Avengers by the MCU and I am totally looking forward to the end of the 4th stage and starting a new storyline, too.
Vision and Scarlet Witch were an item in the comics, so that's holding true in the movies too, it seems.
I have to say - I'm very, very stoked about this. Marvel continue to deliver solid, entertaining movies for me to enjoy with my daughter...so I'm a happy bunny :smitten:
Quote from: OJsDad on December 02, 2017, 10:03:11 PM
I've read some of the comics when I was young, but never got deep into them. I know some of you here are big into them. With what was done with the movies, are you disappointed that they didn't follow the comics or did they stay pretty true to them.
Essay time! >:D
As I mentioned recently in the Thor3 thread, the MCU has pretty consistently kept the heroes and their origins close to canon (with some combinations of "canon" like from the "Ultimates" comic line), while
mostly adjusting the villains (the Red Skull being a key exception) and
very much adjusting any famous storylines they were borrowing from.
This would have led to more discontent from the fanbase along the lines of DARK PHOENIX SAGA WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH, except for:
1.) The established stories they're messing with were notoriously fan-mixed in reception to begin with (and in the case of Age of Ultron not even canon if I recall correctly); so they aren't messing with something as solidly important to fans as, for example, the Dark Phoenix Saga. (For those who don't know, that's the X-Men story that X-Men 3 mostly referenced with the red-haired Famke Jenson coming back from the dead, going crazy, and having to be killed. Fox looks on track to ruin that again in a year or two with the next X-film. Although for the record I was a lot more okay with X3 than most fans, partly because I had realistic expectations of what they could do with the Phoenix storyline on a relatively cramped film story and budget.)
2.) The heroes and action have been written as fun and engaging, and not only in a whipped cream way but with some thematic and emotional oomph, too.
One exception to Factor One, was the Winter Story in Cap 2 and 3; just about universally well-received by fans (after getting over the Two People Who Should Stay Dead hump, those being Spidey's Uncle Ben and Bucky Barnes.) But that stayed pretty close to fan expectations so it isn't really an exception. Also, it could be said to fit into staying-close-to-hero-canon, too.
The other two exceptions that come to mind are the main plots of Thor 3, looooooooooosely combining the Planet Hulk and Thor Ragnarok stories, both of which have high fan credit. However, I've also seen more annoyance from fans about this movie's story adaptation than anything else before -- this is partly where the "too funny" complaints come from. So the generalization still fits: when they DO fiddle with a well-beloved story there's fan backlash (to some degree). And there have been at least two maybe three or four "Thor Ragnarok" canon stories, depending on how you count them, only one of which seems to have the broad fan appeal (Walt Simonson's late 80s epic Thor run) so there's a history of lesser-retcon/redos for this story in the comics already.
Compare with Fox, who can't seem to figure out how to write the Fantastic Four and their supporting cast, but who have broadly managed to write the X-Men and some key X-villains (the ones who approach anti-hero status, notably) according to the characterizations which won them iconic and lasting support. But when they've tried to adapt beloved stories and had to change them a lot (i.e. Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past, Age of Apocalypse, WolvieOrigins), they've picked up major criticism. (Also, Wolvie:origins is painfully non-good in places, and they reaaaallllllyyyy screwed up Deadpool's character at the end. Before then, a pretty decent pre-Deadpool Wade Wilson the fans loved; also Sabretooth was more in line with his classic character and fans liked that. Gambit and the Blob tended to go over pretty well in their extended cameos, too.)
Deadpool, again, they (eventually) got the
character basically right (even if I'd prefer PG-13 pool because I think that requires more wit in writing him to be funny), and his origin story hits the right points. Everything else was reasonably flexible.
The Walt (and Louise) Simonson Thor was my absolute favorite! I happened to notice in the credits to Thor:Ragnarok that Walt was thanked for his help on the film. If I was going to complain about any of the plot from the movie, it would be that Fenris was nowhere near as potent, Jormungandr was never mentioned and Surtur was basically, as you stated previously, there to add a bit of comic relief and take care of the Hela problem. Never having read the Planet Hulk storyline, I can't comment on that, but, it seemed to work in service of the plot, so, it's good by me. All in all I enjoyed it. Especially the fight scenes with, 'The Immigrant Song." GOD I love me some Zeppelin!!
While attending a housewarming party of a friend of ours today, I spent about 20 minutes talking to a 9 year old boy who gave me about 3 or 4 new ideas of how Infinity War will work including how Thor will get his hammer back and where all the Infinity Stones are. He should have his own blog. What ARE they feeding kids these days? :o
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 03, 2017, 11:59:49 PM
While attending a housewarming party of a friend of ours today, I spent about 20 minutes talking to a 9 year old boy who gave me about 3 or 4 new ideas of how Infinity War will work including how Thor will get his hammer back and where all the Infinity Stones are. He should have his own blog. What ARE they feeding kids these days? :o
This is what happens when you feed kids healthy food. They get smart and start thinking. We need to get back to a steady diet of Fruity Pebbles and Pixy Stix.
Pop Rocks and Jolt Cola. O0
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 03, 2017, 11:59:49 PM
While attending a housewarming party of a friend of ours today, I spent about 20 minutes talking to a 9 year old boy who gave me about 3 or 4 new ideas of how Infinity War will work including how Thor will get his hammer back and where all the Infinity Stones are. He should have his own blog. What ARE they feeding kids these days? :o
Dunno but all my youngest will eat is junk food (her staples are cereal, boxed Mac and cheese, and pizza) but the stuff coming out of her mouth blows my mind for her age. The fact that she knows the basics of playing chess (ie how each peice moves) still amazes me. She's 5 btw.
Yes, this little Einstein explained to me very matter-of-factly, how Dr. Strange could re-make Thor's hammer for him, or use the Time Stone to go back and stop it being destroyed. It got me thinking they could use that ploy to re-do almost anything in the MCU: Save Asgard and or Odin, Stop Loki from ever getting the Tesslerrack, keep the Winter Soldier from killing Stark's parents, or..... bring back a dead Avenger character for a surprise save-the-world moment. It's such a simple idea, I wonder if anyone at the studio's thought of it. I think they should hire this little guy to write for them. Must be something they're putting on the broccoli.
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AND DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!
Takes one to know one!
I sure as hell am. :nerd:
Quote from: Barthheart on December 04, 2017, 07:41:53 AM
Pop Rocks and Jolt Cola. O0
I don't think that the objective is to kill them...
It just culls the weak.
AGE DISCRIMINATION! Old people are already funny without being put in situations that enhance their, what am I thinking of here? Somebody help me out! Con-fusion! That's it. I thought I'd see at least one, "Back in '44, I killed 40 Nazis' with my pocket knife. We didn't need no damned 'Super--Heroes'. We had Audey-By-God-Murphy" >:(
Calm down, gramps and fer all our sakes, put yer damn teeth back in.
Quote from: bob48 on December 06, 2017, 04:19:28 PM
put yer damn teeth back in.
He's probably lost them now.
..just what was that you were using to open those beer bottles with?
"Back in '44, we used to open our beer bottles by smashing them against Nazi heads". >:( By God!
In case you weren't aware, SS (I wasn't to the extent of it, to be honest), there's TONS of videos like this.
I saw more than a few "Kids React To" videos, for the music of the likes of Metallica, Led Zeppelin, Motley Crue, etc.
Then there's another genre, "(Band) Reacts To Kids Reacting To" videos. ( ::) ) I only saw "Motley Crue Reacts To Kids Reacting To Motley Crue," which is somewhat disengenuous, as it was only Tommy Lee watching them, but still it was rather entertaining.
Then I saw the whole "Seniors React To" genre, and "(Blah Blah) Reacts To Seniors Reacting To," and my head is now starting to hurt.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on December 06, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
LOL @ Shrek comment :DD
They just un-cooled the hulk from his awesome coolness.... How dare they :DD funny video BC O0
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 06, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
"Back in '44, we used to open our beer bottles by smashing them against Nazi heads". >:( By God!
Good job it was nazi heads and not Audey-by-god-murphy, he'd need to stand on a stool for you to reach him ::)
https://thechive.com/2018/01/07/balance-the-universe-with-the-history-of-the-infinity-stones-11-photos/
Thanos is really Jar Jar.
And this reality can soon be yours thanks to our wonderful overlords at the House of Mouse
Someday, I'm going to have to get all of the movies on disk, and binge watch them all.
Quote from: mirth on January 07, 2018, 01:58:30 PM
https://thechive.com/2018/01/07/balance-the-universe-with-the-history-of-the-infinity-stones-11-photos/
That's a cool read 8) I've done some reading up about the infinity stones , but didn't realise it started with nemesis ...it makes a little more sense :)
https://www.duffelblog.com/2018/01/war-afghanistan-sues-marvel-copyright-infringement-infinity-war-film/
Took me a second to get the joke of the title before reading the article. O0
https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/969305448183513088
WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Five million people just called in sick April 27th.
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(https://www.cultture.com/pics/2018/03/avengers-infinity-war-character-posters.jpg)
Start drawing Xs through some of those.
Quote from: mirth on March 08, 2018, 02:30:06 PM
Start drawing Xs through some of those.
Think it's safe to say the originals are ready to move on. My guess is iron man, Thor and the Cap'n all eat it.
'IRON SPIDER'...?
My guess is Thanos turns out to be ANOTHER one of Odin's children they haven't told us about and he and Tony Stark get married and live happily in Vegas where they do an Lion Taming Show together-- Prick-zeid and Roy. I'll still buy a ticket.
Quote from: Staggerwing on March 08, 2018, 09:07:16 PM
'IRON SPIDER'...?
It's his armor, not the character.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor
Seriously.....loins exploded :notworthy:
That shot w/ the force-field at 1:31 looks just like the battle-bots attacking the Gungans in the big fight on Naboo in SW Ep 1.
And why does every movie battle look like a giant meeting engagement a la "Braveheart"? I mean, no one can snipe from afar? No attempts to turn a flank? No vertical envelopment? Nuthin'?
If that shit was a liquid, I'd shoot it up and be high for a month! I'm in if it's a $100 a ticket.
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https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/974688369786654721
Im more than happy to watch ScarJo and Cobie fight in their underwear. In fact, I'd pay to watch it.
Quote from: Sir Slash on March 08, 2018, 11:45:30 PM
My guess is Thanos turns out to be ANOTHER one of Odin's children they haven't told us about and he and Tony Stark get married and live happily in Vegas where they do an Lion Taming Show together-- Prick-zeid and Roy. I'll still buy a ticket.
:clap: :notworthy:
https://nerdist.com/avengers-infinity-war-deaths-nerdist-news/
Quote from: mirth on March 19, 2018, 05:23:00 AM
https://nerdist.com/avengers-infinity-war-deaths-nerdist-news/
Interesting.
I had thought I wouldn't like at all any of the superheroes getting killed/dying off, but after
Logan, my outlook has changed.
I think it works for the arc they've done with Stark. And I always figured Cap was going to die.
Booked out tickets for the midnight showing
Can't wait. My daughter's in tears already thinking The Cap is going to buy it.
As long as they don't do the cheesy comic book BS of bringing characters back to life. They killed Cap in the comics with a sniper bullet then brought him back, didn't they?
Death and the Marvel universe seem to have a love-love relationship.
I doubt they'll be bringing the Chris Evans Cap back. He's been pretty clear for a while about wanting out of the role.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on March 19, 2018, 09:08:26 AM
Death and the Marvel universe seem to have a love-love relationship.
The worst one was when they brought back Jean Grey in '86 when they launched the X-Factor book. It wasn't that they brought her back, it was the absolutely crappy explanation they gave, when there was a perfectly good (and actually plausible) explanation just sitting there waiting all along...
Yeah unlike the books I imagine a lot of the actors are ready to move on.
Evans, Downey, Hemsworth.
Also wouldn't be surprised if Cheadle, Johansson want to move on too. I also cannot see Cumberbatch wanting to do this for years.
But who knows, I guess everyone has a price.
A lot of it depends on the contracts. Sebastian Shaw signed a 9 movie deal which must be somewhere in the middle now. Evans and Downey are at the end of their contracts and are pretty much done.
I'd still like to see a standalone Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo, but what was done with Hulk in Thor: Ragnorak may be the closest we get.
Quote from: mirth on March 19, 2018, 09:49:47 AM
A lot of it depends on the contracts. Sebastian Shaw signed a 9 movie deal which must be somewhere in the middle now. Evans and Downey are at the end of their contracts and are pretty much done.
I'd still like to see a standalone Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo, but what was done with Hulk in Thor: Ragnorak may be the closest we get.
3 standalone Hulk movies have been commercial bombs. They're not making a 4th...
Quote from: bayonetbrant on March 19, 2018, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: mirth on March 19, 2018, 09:49:47 AM
A lot of it depends on the contracts. Sebastian Shaw signed a 9 movie deal which must be somewhere in the middle now. Evans and Downey are at the end of their contracts and are pretty much done.
I'd still like to see a standalone Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo, but what was done with Hulk in Thor: Ragnorak may be the closest we get.
3 standalone Hulk movies have been commercial bombs. They're not making a 4th...
There have been two standalone Hulk feature films. The Ang Lee movie with Eric Bana and the MCU movie with Edward Norton.
I know I'm in the minority, but I liked the Ed Norton version. It had issues but it was light years better than what Ang Lee vomited on the screen.
Quote from: mirth on March 19, 2018, 09:58:26 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on March 19, 2018, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: mirth on March 19, 2018, 09:49:47 AM
A lot of it depends on the contracts. Sebastian Shaw signed a 9 movie deal which must be somewhere in the middle now. Evans and Downey are at the end of their contracts and are pretty much done.
I'd still like to see a standalone Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo, but what was done with Hulk in Thor: Ragnorak may be the closest we get.
3 standalone Hulk movies have been commercial bombs. They're not making a 4th...
There have been two standalone Hulk feature films. The Ang Lee movie with Eric Bana and the MCU movie with Edward Norton.
I thought there was a third one pre-Ang-Lee. Guess not. Still, getting to the second after the first bombed was pretty lucky. They're unlikely to give him another shot to carry a film.
Ruffalo > Norton > Bananna
Quote from: bayonetbrant on March 19, 2018, 10:29:20 AM
Quote from: mirth on March 19, 2018, 09:58:26 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on March 19, 2018, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: mirth on March 19, 2018, 09:49:47 AM
A lot of it depends on the contracts. Sebastian Shaw signed a 9 movie deal which must be somewhere in the middle now. Evans and Downey are at the end of their contracts and are pretty much done.
I'd still like to see a standalone Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo, but what was done with Hulk in Thor: Ragnorak may be the closest we get.
3 standalone Hulk movies have been commercial bombs. They're not making a 4th...
There have been two standalone Hulk feature films. The Ang Lee movie with Eric Bana and the MCU movie with Edward Norton.
I thought there was a third one pre-Ang-Lee. Guess not. Still, getting to the second after the first bombed was pretty lucky. They're unlikely to give him another shot to carry a film.
The first one was outside the MCU when Universal still had rights to the character. The second one wasn't really bad movie, but it was a rare miss for Marvel during the MCU-era.
Ruffalo hasn't had a chance yet to carry a standalone Hulk film and he's been extremely popular in the role. The biggest reason there hasn't been a another standalone Hulk movie is the convoluted state of rights on the character:
QuoteIn April 2015, Ruffalo said Universal holding the distribution rights to Hulk films may be an obstacle to releasing a future Hulk standalone film[129] and reiterated this in October 2015,[130] and July 2017.[131] Marvel regained the film production rights for the character by February 2006,[132] but Universal retained the distribution rights for The Incredible Hulk as well as the right of first refusal to distribute future Hulk films.[133] According to The Hollywood Reporter, a potential reason why Marvel has not reacquired the film distribution rights to the Hulk as they did with Paramount Pictures for the Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America films is because Universal holds the theme park rights to several Marvel characters that Marvel's parent company, Disney, wants for its own theme parks.[134] In December 2015, Ruffalo stated that the strained relationship between Marvel and Universal may be another obstacle to releasing a future standalone Hulk film.[135] The following month, he indicated that the lack of a standalone Hulk film allowed the character to play a more prominent role in Thor: Ragnarok, Avengers: Infinity War, and the latter's untitled sequel, stating, "We've worked a really interesting arc into Thor[: Ragnarok], Avengers[: Infinity War], and [the latter's sequel] for Banner that I think will – when it's all added up – will feel like a Hulk movie, a standalone movie."[136]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_(film)#Future
http://therealstanlee.com/31-hour-mcu-marathon-being-hosted-by-amc-before-the-release-of-infinity-war/
I think the blending of hulk / Thor properties was pure genius as Thor was probably the 2nd weakest property and on the low scale in quality of movies. Getting rid of Portman was a great start though. Man has she really gone downhill as an actress IMO.
She's quite a good actress, but that was not a good role for her. The Jane Foster character didn't really work in the movies. It was a smart move to ditch the character.
I knew he should've jumped into that hot Sif's armored pantaloons when he had the chance. I would put the hammer down for her.
Sif would probably still be around, having been away from the slaughter of Thor3; but her actress has been busy with the (somewhat surprising) success of that mystery-adventure show about the woman with exotic tattoos all over her body.
(...okay, maybe not entirely surprising at its success. ;) )
Her character was popular enough that she'd not likely be recast. Her eventual husband in the comics, Baldur, is also probably still around (not having been introduced in the MCU yet).
Quote from: mirth on March 19, 2018, 01:36:34 PM
She's quite a good actress, but that was not a good role for her. The Jane Foster character didn't really work in the movies. It was a smart move to ditch the character.
I thought it was clumsy in the way they ditched her character, but they made the best of it under the circumstances I guess (a lame joke).
Kat Benning should have been Jane Foster, with Darcy's quirky characterization, and with someone else more of a straight-man in the "Darcy" role. (Something they sort-of did in Thor 2 come to think of it, re giving her a more low-key foil.)
That said, I thought Portman and Hemsworth showed good chemistry in Thor1, and under the circumstances I thought they did about as well as they could for even having her character in the story.
Re theatrical Hulk films, I think there have been four live-actions released theatrically. But the first two were opportunistic theatrical edits of the first two Bixby/Ferrigno TV movies. (Those preceded the launch of the series per se.)
Quote from: JasonPratt on March 20, 2018, 10:55:27 AM
Re theatrical Hulk films, I think there have been four live-actions released theatrically. But the first two were opportunistic theatrical edits of the first two Bixby/Ferrigno TV movies. (Those preceded the launch of the series per se.)
AFAIK, those were overseas theatrical releases. They were TV releases in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_(1978_TV_series)#Made-for-TV_movies
Regardless, they don't really have bearing on the modern success/failure of the character on the big screen.
Nowadays they all seem to be overseas theatrical releases first. ;)
And actually -- I might disagree about the effect of the earlier live action series for the popularity of the character in modern film. For a long time, the Hulk was the most critically acclaimed and successful superhero show on television (even though he wasn't technically a superhero), at least among characters imported from another medium. Both of the prior films made (ultimately specious) efforts to try to bank on positive nostalgia for the series, the second one a little moreso than the first.
There's a general industry perception that the Hulk is, or was at one time, the prime breakout star remaining in Marvel's collection of characters over which they still had some control in making films: a perception based largely on reception for the TV show long ago.
I suspect a lot of this is simply appreciation for the simple genius of "The Lonely Man" theme (and its many variations), which insane people in charge of the films have refused to shell out money for using in the films (aside from a few bars briefly in the Norton film). But the MCU producers have proven tone deaf in creating and sustaining iconic thematic unity for their works, so I guess that's par for the course. :P (The main exception being GotG's main theme. They've even fought hard against including portions of Alan Silvestri's decently iconic main themes for Cap and the Avengers in subsequent works, although I notice they're using his Avengers theme in the marketing for Av3. But based on past experience I don't trust them to properly use it in the film.)
Imagine the fangasms if the Hulk's big hero moment in Infinity War was accompanied by a majestic full reprise of the Lonely Man, tho...! :dreamer: \m/
I doubt any current decision making at Marvel is being driven by the shows/movies from the 70s. They probably aren't making decisions about Spiderman based on the performance of the Nicholas Hammond TV show.
Quote from: mirth on March 20, 2018, 12:53:33 PM
I doubt any current decision making at Marvel is being driven by the shows/movies from the 70s. They probably aren't making decisions about Spiderman based on the performance of the Nicholas Hammond TV show.
I thought you were going to invoke The Electric Company there for a minute...
Quote from: mirth on March 20, 2018, 12:53:33 PM
I doubt any current decision making at Marvel is being driven by the shows/movies from the 70s. They probably aren't making decisions about Spiderman based on the performance of the Nicholas Hammond TV show.
Is there major nostalgic fondness and appreciation for the Nicholas Hammond Spidershow? If not (and obviously not) then the comparison is invalid.
"Hollow"-wood executives are ABSOLUTELY guided by fan nostalgia for even obscure properties, which in turn they don't understand or really respect. (Which is how a legitimately inventive, dark, and nuanced children's show like Land of the Lost with high concept scripts, got turned into a godawful comedy reboot making fun of the property. But it had positive name recognition until the execs poisoned it! :buck2: )
Here's no one making a metal remix of the Nicholas Hammond spider-show's theme. ;)
Quote from: JasonPratt on March 20, 2018, 02:03:04 PM
Quote from: mirth on March 20, 2018, 12:53:33 PM
I doubt any current decision making at Marvel is being driven by the shows/movies from the 70s. They probably aren't making decisions about Spiderman based on the performance of the Nicholas Hammond TV show.
Is there major nostalgic fondness and appreciation for the Nicholas Hammond Spidershow? If not (and obviously not) then the comparison is invalid.
"Hollow"-wood executives are ABSOLUTELY guided by fan nostalgia for even obscure properties, which in turn they don't understand or really respect. (Which is how a legitimately inventive, dark, and nuanced children's show like Land of the Lost with high concept scripts, got turned into a godawful comedy reboot making fun of the property. But it had positive name recognition until the execs poisoned it! :buck2: )
Yeah, they're not making more standalone Hulk movies because when you count the Bill Bixby Hulk movies there have already been four Hulk theatrical releases. That's it, not the rights issue. ::)
Yeah, they made the original Hulk film and would like to make more thanks largely to the nostalgia factor -- but can't due to tangled rights issues.
Universal even keeps trying to set up a new Hulk TV show (as crazy as that would be in modern times) with no connection to the MCU, due to... ...... .................... guess.
(hint: Universal made a lot of money off a TV series long ago that people still remember fondly.)
(hint 2: it wasn't "The Fugitive", although Universal's hit show owed a lot to nostalgia for that show's popularity. But the Fugitive was a United Artist's show distributed eventually by Paramount.)
(hint 3: not Les Miserables either, although both Paramount's and Universal's later show were basically remaking that.)
Hmmm....Chris Evans will be in Avengers 4 in some fashion, even if it's just a flashback cameo.
https://news.avclub.com/dont-hold-your-breath-for-chris-evans-to-stay-in-the-mc-1823999898
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/theater/chris-evans-lobby-hero-captain-america.html
Yeah, we've already seen some mysterious production stills with a blond-haired Stark and Cap in his Av1 suit. But he has confirmed he's out after Av4.
http://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/2018/04/01/avengers-infinity-war-opening-night-girlfriend-prom-funny/
This COULD all be a plot to bring the entire Western World to a complete stop in order to for Little Kim to nuke us. :o I'm still going. This movie will probably be worth fallout in my popcorn.
Not to rain on anyone's impending Infinity Parade, but there is a yet-to-be-named Part 2 (already filmed but not out until mid 2019). This will probably mean a number of Part 1 plot cliffhangers.
Marvel moved away from the Infinty War two part thing. There will be an Avengers 4, but Infinity War is going to be one movie.
Not to say there won't be cliffgangers, but Avengers 4 will not be Infinity War Part II.
Unless they really went all out to trick us.
Tricksy Marvelses...
^lol. bastages.
If Av4 is about Skrulls (which seems highly likely) then it should still be connected to Av3 pretty solidly.
Word from Feige & Co though, is that no one has properly twigged what Av4 will be.
Maybe it'll be the Kree-Skrull War.
Wonder if theaters are going to do another Marvel movie marathon like they did...when they played 24 hours' worth of Marvel movies leading up to the premiere of (I think) Age of Ultron? I thought that would have been fun to try though I don't know if I could sit in a theater seat for 24+ hours straight, even with breaks.
No way they can beat the Big Than in just one movie. Got to be 2 at least. I'm thinking the way to beat Thanos is to slip Ant Man in a suppository and then hit the, 'Return To Normal Size' button. Of course who's going to talk him into doing it? Maybe Scarlett Witch can do a 'mind-control' thing on him. <:-)
Quote from: Sir Slash on April 04, 2018, 09:46:51 AM
No way they can beat the Big Than in just one movie. Got to be 2 at least. I'm thinking the way to beat Thanos is to slip Ant Man in a suppository and then hit the, 'Return To Normal Size' button. Of course who's going to talk him into doing it? Maybe Scarlett Witch can do a 'mind-control' thing on him. <:-)
thanks for the horrible mental image. I didn't need that.
That's it, kill the messenger.
I mean, the pug's not wrong.
Any animal that looks that much like Yoda, has to be wise beyond it's years.
http://thechive.com/2018/04/07/ranking-characters-most-likely-to-die-in-avengers-infinity-war-29-photos/
Interesting.
http://variety.com/2018/film/news/avengers-infinity-war-fandango-presale-marvel-1202750313/
I saw two adds on TV last night so the Marketing Blitz has begun.
https://www.screengeek.net/2018/04/16/avengers-infinity-war-major-marvel-character-dies-at-the-beginning/
QuoteIt's good that the Russo Brothers are telling fans to be emotionally prepared for the film – because they'll definitely need to be.
Really? It's a fracking movie based on comic books... #:-)
I never really got into all the "Super Hero" comics for just that reason, that no-one ever perma-died. Jsut tired of all the lame ass "re-birth" or "not quite dead yet" story lines.
War comics, like Sgt. Rock, however were the best.
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Quote from: Barthheart on April 18, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
War comics, like Sgt. Rock, however were the best.
+1
And don't forget the Unknown Soldier.
Quote from: OJsDad on April 18, 2018, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on April 18, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
War comics, like Sgt. Rock, however were the best.
+1
And don't forget the Unknown Soldier.
+1
Sgt. Fury, G.I. Combat
Quote from: Barthheart on April 18, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
I never really got into all the "Super Hero" comics for just that reason, that no-one ever perma-died. Jsut tired of all the lame ass "re-birth" or "not quite dead yet" story lines.
Well, the Russos say permadeath for any actually slain characters in this one. Vision/Jarvis seems a necessary casualty, but since his mind is in the stone I doubt he'll count as actually dead (just transferred into the gauntlet for a while).
Loki makes a lot of sense if Hiddleston is wanting to leave the role, and he'd kind-of be in the way on Earth. (A line at the end of Thor3 lampshades this, too.)
More obvious as a death at the start of the film, would be Heimdal. But Loki trying to save allies with the Tesseract would explain Thor and Hulk being shuffled around the plot settings.
Come on. Can anyone really KILL Loki? He's illusion-jumped so many times already that everybody knows it's not the real Loki, just his Magic-Double. Or at least Marvel can always plat it that way if they want to bring him back. I thought Heimdal would be a more obvious choice. No way he'd just stand around while Thanos takes the Blue Stone/Tessaract-thing. But is he a 'Major Character'? I don't know, could be a Marvel Head-fake too. I'm really hoping this won't be the last film to have Stan-The-Man-Lee in it. :'( And BTW, I already got my ticket for Thursday April 26th, the 7pm showing, though they won't let me pick out my seat yet-- Dammit! And.... The Enemy Ace was my favorite comic, loved me some Hammer of Hell back in the day.
https://twitter.com/barefootboomer/status/986660166509711360 (https://twitter.com/barefootboomer/status/986660166509711360)
https://twitter.com/MCU_Tweets/status/986658870511759361
Quote from: Sir Slash on April 18, 2018, 11:16:00 AM
Come on. Can anyone really KILL Loki? He's illusion-jumped so many times already that everybody knows it's not the real Loki, just his Magic-Double.
Loki acted so dumbly out of character at the start of Thor 3, that there's a fan theory going around that he really did die at the end of Thor 2, and now he's a Skrull.
I don't believe this theory, mainly because it doesn't fit well with the rest of Thor 3, but that's... actually, Thor 3
itself lampshaded (with Hemsworth's older brother, and Matt Damon, and some other famous actor) how broken the plot now makes Loki's death scene in Thor2.
I've still got a bunch of my old Sgt. Rock and Haunted Tank's. Wasn't Loki in the teaser scene along with the 'Black Order' members?
More detail, no more spoilers, from BtSGrace.
"The best part of the film is the spoilers." "Never heard so many audible gasps at a press screening." "Feels hollow afterward, though." "Pretty clear most or all of the shock things won't stick." "Unrelenting... like the napalm scene in Apocalypse Now but the whole film." "Repeatability factor" seems oddly low.
"No battles as intricate as the airport fight" in Cap3. :o
One female character gets fridged. (Maybe more than one.) Well, that's unlikely to be Gamora since her ties with the Thanos plot are so strong, which leaves Widow and Pepper -- both of which seem highly likely to me. I suppose several female characters from Black Panther could count, though, come to think of it. ("Fridging" is a trope where a romantic interest, typically female, is brutally slain to motivate the hero into kicking ass. From that very specific perspective, Romanov would be the clearest option since Banner would be worried about Hulking out too much.) Only two romances in the film, however, at two corners of the galaxy.
Grace thinks this film shouldn't get a pass if Last Jedi doesn't (which suggests she doesn't understand or at least accept rejections of TLJ).
Only one end-credit epilogue, at the very end. Medium importance (by her estimation).
A much more vanilla review from IGN:
Reviews so far agree the villains are among the best (even maybe the best) of the MCU so far.
Also, Av4 is CLEARLY being set up as a part 2. This is not really a standalone movie, despite us being told that in the marketing. Consequently, I'm putting my Coke money with Palpatine: everyone dies but Ant-Man (and maybe the Wasp), and Phase Four plus Av4 is meant to work out fixing that problem.
Reviewer pastiche. (Everyone also agrees, avoid all spoilers as much as possible.)
I'm predicting that after Thanos is defeated in Avengers 3 he will fight in the UFC under the name, "The Purple Haze". :clap:
Is that professional wrestling? Because if so, he could make a habit of doing finishing moves and momentum bounces off the ropes, and call himself "Cable".
The UCF is Mixed Martial Arts but perhaps the WWE would be a better fit for him. If that doesn't work out he can always get a show on HGTV flipping houses, literally.
I'm good with not watching any of these reviews from YouTube or anywhere else. I'm going to see it, so I don't need their opinions or nerdiness gunking up MY nerdiness, thankyouverymuch.
I read the spoilers last night :P
Quote from: mirth on April 25, 2018, 10:26:55 AM
I read the spoilers last night :P
Of course you did. You probably watched a pirated copy of it online, too. :D
Nah. I will see it next weekend with the kids. I just wanted to know who dies.
I'm thinking everyone does except for Black Panther. Pretty sure the MCU is going to milk that franchise for all its worth.
I could be wrong but yeah, the death toll is gonna be high. :(
Can't wait to see though.
I could just tell you now.
You could, but then I'd have to kill you.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on April 25, 2018, 11:00:53 AM
You could, but then I'd have to kill you.
Yeah, but Mirth isn't on the list
https://www.theringer.com/movies/2018/4/25/17275188/marvel-cinematic-universe-post-credits-scenes-ranked
MovieBob thinks it isn't as good as Av1 (...maybe not?) or Black Panther (Bob has drunk too much Kool-Aid):
An exhausted and more sober review from Stuckmann.
I went to see it last night (midnight) - I'm shagged but it was worth it. Best one yet imo.
Glad as hell to hear it Dredd. It's finally A-Day here in the States. :D Seeing it tonight and will post some thoughts late. 8)
OK. I'm just back and WHAT-A-MOVIE!!! Who knew Peter Parker was Tony Stark's illegitimate son by a fling with Bruce Banner's sister who turns-out to be the She Hulk? That makes Peter the Iron Spider Hulk and damn can he climb a wall now! And why didn't we know this movie was really a musical where everybody sings their parts? And who knew Drax was a soprano?------ NOT REALLY. Just yankin' your chains guys. :2funny:
Seriously I have to agree with Dredd, this one is better than the original. I know, Sacrilege right? It has all the things that make a great movie in it, very funny, very sad at times, great fight scenes, lots of action but with a flow to the movie that doesn't seem too fast or too slow. Great special effects, you might consider 3D, and a fantastic battle at the end. For a film that has this many characters in it they all get an important part to play and fit in with each other well. The only one that I thought seemed a little bad was Star Lord who tried to be a bit too funny and flipped out too much in some scenes.
I won't give anything away but a couple of the characters who get the axe are kind of predictable but... I guarantee you won't see this ending coming. Look for an old villain making a brief appearance and a popular actor from Game of Thrones playing as a Giant Dwarf. Plus a single end scene that hints at a major new Marvel Super Hero to come. This one is clearly a two-parter so expect a punch in the head ending that will lead to a conclusion next film. And just to be clear, the language and violence has been kicked-up a notch in this one so think about it before you take your kids to see it.
Altogether a great movie and an epic last stand for the Avengers. I'd give it a 9.5 outta 10.
It was good. Very good. The next one should be awesome as well. O0
Quote from: Sir Slash on April 26, 2018, 10:50:15 PM
OK. I'm just back and WHAT-A-MOVIE!!! Who knew Peter Parker was Tony Stark's illegitimate son by a fling with Bruce Banner's sister who turns-out to be the She Hulk? That makes Peter the Iron Spider Hulk and damn can he climb a wall now! And why didn't we know this movie was really a musical where everybody sings their parts? And who knew Drax was a soprano?------ NOT REALLY. Just yankin' your chains guys. :2funny:
Seriously I have to agree with Dredd, this one is better than the original. I know, Sacrilege right? It has all the things that make a great movie in it, very funny, very sad at times, great fight scenes, lots of action but with a flow to the movie that doesn't seem too fast or too slow. Great special effects, you might consider 3D, and a fantastic battle at the end. For a film that has this many characters in it they all get an important part to play and fit in with each other well. The only one that I thought seemed a little bad was Star Lord who tried to be a bit too funny and flipped out too much in some scenes.
I won't give anything away but a couple of the characters who get the axe are kind of predictable but... I guarantee you won't see this ending coming. Look for an old villain making a brief appearance and a popular actor from Game of Thrones playing as a Giant Dwarf. Plus a single end scene that hints at a major new Marvel Super Hero to come. This one is clearly a two-parter so expect a punch in the head ending that will lead to a conclusion next film. And just to be clear, the language and violence has been kicked-up a notch in this one so think about it before you take your kids to see it.
Altogether a great movie and an epic last stand for the Avengers. I'd give it a 9.5 outta 10.
Now I'm a bit awake....
I concur with all of this except Star Lord. I can see why you might come to that conclusion but imo it
was Star Lord....it was just him. Like I said, I can see why you get that - from an "avnegres" movie perspective, it probably was too much humour, but from Star Lord's perspective, it was spot on - it was exactly how he was in the GotG movies.
The film was all over the place - in a good way - locations, characters, baddies - and yet you never lost. You were never left thinking "What was that about?" or "Why did that happen". Everything - EVERYTHING - just seemed to make sense.
There were too many highlights to list and they would be too spoilerish anyway - but Cap's entrance left the hairs on the back of my neck standing up...but I do love the Cap.
I'll put this wee bit down here - it's not a huge spoiler - but you may not want to see this until you've seen the movie.
[spoiler]Also - the film makes such a fantastic job of portraying all these little group fights and jumping around that whilst you don't forget the plot - "Thanos is a bad guy and wants the Infinity Stones" - you do forget the the over arching plot[/spoiler]
You know...DC put what, 5? 6? characters into Justice League and everyone was saying there were too much and not enough flesh etc, etc...there are a HUGE amount of characters in this film. You felt for every single one of them and they all made sense and they all gelled. I hate the DC/Marvel battle - but it hits a chord with me because I knew nothing about the vast majority of the Marvel characters and knew most everything about the DC films and so it makes me mad what's going on with the DC movies and why they're so piss poor.
The film was honestly astounding. A masterpiece. I don't like the cinema but I can see me going to see this a few times more.
I should have added that after Ragnarok, Hela was my all-time favorite villain. Not anymore. Thanos is the new King. Marvel has always made their heroes human and thus sympathetic so you quickly come to like them and want to see them succeed. Now with Thanos you don't want him to win but they do make him into a very complex, troubled character that's not just out to rule the Universe for himself. An excellent job.
I didn't hate Star Lord's part but he seemed to fit less comfortably into the whole mix I'll say. There's of course a reason he's flipped-out but he didn't seem to be the cool, wise-crack sneak he was in the GotG. Just me.
Careful with any unintentional spoilers guys. Some of us can't just drop all our shit and race into the theater tomorrow. We may need a few more days so keep the good stuff under yer hats.
Quote from: Staggerwing on April 27, 2018, 07:25:14 PM
Careful with any unintentional spoilers guys. Some of us can't just drop all our shit and race into the theater tomorrow. We may need a few more days so keep the good stuff under yer hats.
+1,000,000
You guys have been fairly good thus far but then again I've not been reading the posts here carefully. :)
Except for the three jabbering ankle-biters sitting behind me that caused a deep rage that almost provoked me to physical violence, the movie was outstanding.
I couldn't stay through the credits as the lack of thundering screen noise made the incessant jabbering so loud that I would have punched the selfish asshole parents for bringing their pre-school kids to a night time movie.
Now that's a good review! And no spoilers. :clap:
Thanks. It was from the heart.
Although I'd love to discuss the movie's spoiler moments....
Fraternally Anticipated Questions (...except my brother saw it with me so I guess that title doesn't quite fit this time):
DID YOU SEE IT TWICE TODAY?
I did.
WOW! ...ON PURPOSE?!
Kind of.
...THAT SEEMS LIKE YOU DIDN'T MEAN TO SEE IT TWICE?
That's hard to answer. I went to Jackson intending to see it twice, though not necessarily the second time today. My brother turned out to be going to a later showing, which I didn't know about until I was almost there, so I just stayed and saw it twice.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO MENTION, WHY?
After seeing it the first time I wouldn't have intentionally seen it twice, I think. Or not so soon.
WHA?! IS THE MOVIE TOTAL TRASH!?
No, no, it has some plot convenient problems here and there, but it's better than, let's see, Last Jedi, Justice League, Dawn of Justice, Man of Steel, Godzilla 14, The Dark Knight Rises. It's really a very good movie. But not one I felt like experiencing again any time soon.
ALL THE DEATHS?
Not really. The film is just bleak. That's appropriate, but it's a lot darker than, let's say, Empire Strikes Back. I fully expect any deaths to be selectively unmade at a later date.
ARE YOU GOING TO SPOIL WHO DIES?
No. Test me on this.
WAS PALPATINE RIGHT?
Of course not: he was space Hitler. #PalpatineDidEverythingWrong
DID THE AVENGERS DIE?
No.
... ...... THAT SOUNDED AWFULLY BLUNT. AND SPOILERY!
It was blunt. And cryptic.
DID ANY OF THE DEATHS SURPRISE YOU?
Actually yes, several of them did.
SO THERE _ARE_ MULTIPLE DEATHS!
At this point that shouldn't be a spoiler. I already said I expect any deaths to be walked back later.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BUTT-KICKING AT LEAST?!
Yes and no.
BUT THE HULK KICKS A LOT OF BUTT, RIGHT!?
This might be an opportune time to mention that the trailers are flat-out lying to your face in regards to some things.
...WHAT?! YOU MEAN IN REGARD TO THE HULK!?
Any inferences you draw from my remark are yours to make, but are not necessarily correct. Because I am sneaky.
WOULD YOU GIVE ANY EXAMPLES ABOUT TRAILERS LYING TO OUR FACES?
Thanos does not punch anyone with a moon.
SO THANOS IS NERFED!??
In some ways it's consistent, in other ways it's inconsistent. The "reality stone", for example, most of the time just produces illusions, except when it conveniently doesn't, even in cases when it would make sense to not be illusionary. Also, Thanos' intentions are quite different from the original comics, and while (I admit) the change is dramatically superior it quickly makes no sense, or even anti-sense, for his intentions, methods, and goals, to line up.
COULD THE PLOT BE FORESTALLED BY VARIOUS METHODS WHICH DUMBLY DO NOT HAPPEN?
Yes, a number of times. Generally, however, people on each side don't act as mind-bogglingly retarded as in The Last Jedi, which I'm mentioning because one or two popular internet reviewers have wryly expressed the opinion that if people give this a pass and not TLJ then that's only due to x-isms or something. Those reviewers have been drinking too much Kool-Aid recently.
COMPARE AND CONTRAST INFINITY WAR AND TLJ FOR THE SAKE OF INSTRUCTING THOSE FOOLS! -- BUT WITHOUT SPOILERS, AS A CHALLENGE!
Super-easy, barely an inconvenience. At no time does the plot require both sides to each be acting dumber than the other; fundamental respect is shown for the intellectual property and the material that came before; there are no characters who hypocritically disrespect their underlings for style and plot convenience; one third of the film is not a side-plot that goes nowhere and accomplishes less than nothing for the sake of making asinine socio-political jabs that don't fit the universe of the story; beloved heroes are not rewritten for dumb reasons to act wildly out of character to subvert and spit on your expectations; the finale is not a trick that couldn't have accomplished what the film pretends it could have accomplished; new characters are not invented who, for no good reasons other than to gaslight the audience into accepting how much better they are than the older characters upon which the franchise was based, magically act superior--
OKAY, JEEZ, ENOUGH ALREADY, NEVER MIND!
That was not a question.
WHO WILL BE THE NEW CAPTAIN AMERICA?
Captain America.
...OH, HA HA HA HA.
And/or no one.
HA HA HA HA -- WAIT.
Both answers are correct.
IS THERE ANY REASON TO WATCH BLACK PANTHER FIRST IF WE HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY?
No. Aside from introducing some characters in more detail, nothing in that film's plot affects this film's story in any way. Which is probably just as well since that film's plot was a barely coherent mess, by far the worst of the Marvel films so far.
THAAAAT'S RACIST!
Keep telling yourself that. It's rolling in giant piles of money anyway, so I'm sure it can stand the criticism. Actually, someone who hasn't seen BP yet will think one character is an honored noble ally of t'Challa's team, when really this person is kind of a villain. Gets some good little scenes, tho. We also learn in this film that Wakanda is a place where no one needs to bow to the king; while the prior film tells us Wakanda is a place where the king's right to rule is decided purely by who wins death-fight challenges. Wakanda is an inconsistent place. But to be fair, that's true to the comics canon.
THAAAAAT'S MORE LIKE A REVIEW OF BLACK PANTHER THAN INFINITY WAR! ...DO GUYS WITH CLOAKS LINE UP TO CREATE FORCEFIELDS WITH THEIR CLOAKS AND BE USEFUL BY STAYING IN FORMATION THAT WAY IN ORDER TO DEFEAT THE HORDE OF ALIEN KILLER MONSTERS WITH SUPERIOR TACTICS?! PLEASE SAY YES!!
No.
AWWWW.... WAR RHINOS!?
No war rhinos were killed in making this movie.
HOW USEFUL IS HAWKEYE IN THIS FILM?!
He is not. Take that as you will.
WHAT ABOUT ANT-MAN?! THERE HAS BEEN A SUSPICIOUS LACK OF HIM IN TRAILERS SO FAR!
I'm pretty sure Ant-Man is the key to everything.
SO ANT-MAN SURVIVES!
The upcoming Ant-Man and Wasp film trailers agree with you.
ARE THERE ANY SURPRISE CHARACTERS WHO SHOW UP UNEXPECTEDLY!?
Darth Maul does not show up in this film.
HA HA HA HA!
I mention this because some whippersnappers behind me blurted out at one point, "Omigod, omigod, that's Darth Maul! Darth Maul's in this film!"
HA HA HA HA HA -- WAIT, WHAT?!
He is not. Do not be misled about this.
HUH. SEE, THE REASON WE'RE ASKING, IS BECAUSE WE HEARD A RUMOR THAT THE RED SKULL SHOWS UP IN AS A SURPRISE CAMEO, AND COME TO THINK OF IT YOUR ANSWER SORT OF --
Hugo Weaving, alas, is absent from this film. That would have admittedly been cool. He stated he kind of loathes having played that character, though, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
AWWW... HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST VILLAINS.
Indeed.
ARE THE VILLAINS GOOD IN THIS MOVIE?!
No. They are villainous.
WELL, DUH, BUT --
Who think they are the heroes. They serve their purposes well. Well enough that I want to look up the actors behind the mo-cap: some of them sounded familiar.
LIKE THE RED SKULL!
No.
AWWW....
You've already heard Thanos is well-acted and well-written. This is true -- except so far as I noted earlier, where his new intention doesn't mesh up properly with his goals and methods.
WILL WE BE SEEING HIM AGAIN?!
"Thanos Will Return", as the final credit.
END/MID CREDIT SEQUENCES?!
Only one, at the very end. The timing of the scene is a little off, but I understand the need for proper dramatic effect. It does suggest what the next film is going to be. Although I would have thought Ant-Man would be next. But possibly not? I really don't know the release slate for the next year. Or when Av4 will be released come to think of it.
DOES AV-4 NEED TO HAPPEN SOON?
As soon as feasibly possible, yes. When the producers said they changed their minds about making a two-part film, they were basically lying. This is not a standalone film, and (looping back to my starting topic in a nice chiasm) this might explain my current ambivalence about it. It's very incomplete in itself. The audience at both screenings sat in confused and I think kind-of annoyed silence throughout the end credits. Listening to conversations after the showings, I would not be surprised if word-of-mouth started tanking the film hard after opening weekend. I hope not, but we'll see. The producers, writers, and directors (mostly the Russo Brothers and Kevin Feige, although Jon Favereau is also one of the executive producers) will only have themselves to blame if that happens. I respect the gambles they are taking, as a type of artistic dare. But they might just have screwed themselves over, too: this is reportedly the second-most-expensive film ever made (by some metrics), and after all there needs to be a profit for business to continue.
...and people say, "Jesus Christ, BC"
Yeah, I seriously don't understand that, either.
On the other hand, a lot of that post is empty space between words, so -- not as detailed as some of my other things.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-avengers-infinity-war-passes-star-wars-land-record-250m-us-opening-1106777
I hear R2D2 and C3PO are defecting to Marvel. They want more money and tight leather costumes.
Quote from: Sir Slash on April 29, 2018, 10:52:09 PM
I hear R2D2 and C3PO are defecting to Marvel. They want more money and tight leather costumes.
They're all owned by Disney now, so... :)
Saw it yesterday with my boys, packed house at 3:30 on a beautiful Sunday afternoon. We all thought it is was really good. Probably my favorite MCU movie so far.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4393
'Avengers: Infinity War' Opens with Record Shattering $250M Domestically & $630M Worldwide'
I feel like I won't watch it again until Av4 is almost out, even though I'm sure I'll buy it for my MCU collection. It reaalllly needs the sequel for proper appreciation.
I gotta see it again. I was so stunned at the ending I think I missed half of who got ash-ified.
Please disregard the above post. I thought I had the spoiler post by mistake. Don't look at it. Don't read it. Cause it don't contain nothing real. I made it all up. Funny, see? :pullhair:
Me and the kid are going to see it again tonight and probably go and see it in 3D next weekend. I'm not a fan of 3D, but it looks like a film that might benefit from 3D.
I thought 3D might be a good choice for a second viewing too. Some excellent CGI.
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http://thechive.com/2018/05/01/what-if-infinity-war-came-out-in-the-90s/
"Show me the Vibraniummmm"! #:-)
No, if it came out in the 90s, then Captain America would have been this.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/box-office-avengers-infinity-war-crosses-800m-globally-speeds-1b-1107862
https://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/which-avengers-infinity-war-character-are-you
QuoteYou got: Captain America The good news is that you're a truly selfless and heroic person with a heart of gold. The bad news is that you can be a little too stubborn and have trouble letting go of the past.
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New rule at Disney World-- Half of all customers will be charged double for everything. To achieve balance. :knuppel2:
whoops, should have been in spoiler thread
O and I finally got to see it. We both liked it.
"Well, thanks to us, and mostly me, we
didn't lose, so, a toast!"
(Although the other four ends were mostly thanks to Dr. Strange & Wong.)
That HISHE is pure awesome.
"Remember when I saved the universe from Dormammu without any of you?"
{pause}
"Don't make things up, Strange."
https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/3/17532132/thanos-reddit-bans-thanosdidnothingwrong-avengers-infinity-war
Reports starting to come in from Kevin Feige's ComiCon panel: some deaths will be rolled back (well, duh); some people you thought would be dead for sure will come back and it'll be awesome (I'm dubious about at least part of that claim); other deaths will stick (not unexpectedly).
Tone will be very different for Av4. I would suppose part of that comes from being sort of a greatest-hits clip show fangasming over the MCU's 10th anniversary, but also the basic theme will be different: we weren't a team and weren't prepared when Thanos arrived, and half over everyone in the universe died; so we're going to team up properly and prepare this time.
Marvel Girl's gonna save the universe, no doubt.
Meanwhile, James Gunn sounds like he may have been fired by Disney for pedophile joke/comments on twitter. :o
Quote from: JasonPratt on July 20, 2018, 03:42:20 PM
Meanwhile, James Gunn sounds like he may have been fired by Disney for pedophile joke/comments on twitter. :o
Yeah, they actually fired him right before he was supposed to go to Hall H at SDCC. 4Chan /Pol/ dug back in Gunn's twitter history from ten years ago when he used to constantly make very bad taste provocative jokes about pedophilia, rape, 9/11, the Holocaust ect and sent the stuff to Alt-Right bloggers. They wanted to get him back for his anti-Trump views and his support of the firing of Rosanne. Looks like they got what they wanted.
Surprising that Disney didn't have him scrub his twitter when they hired him. I've been following Gunn since he made The Specials, and anyone and everyone knew he used to say stuff just to shock and get a rise out of people. It's not like any of this was a mystery.
Quote from: SirAndrewD on July 20, 2018, 03:58:22 PMI've been following Gunn since he made The Specials, and anyone and everyone knew he used to say stuff just to shock and get a rise out of people. It's not like any of this was a mystery.
That's what I thought, too: edgy-boy humor, wooooo. (If you could take a black light to his room it would look like a Jackson Pollock painting, etc.)
Hollywood has a serious secret-pedophile problem, though, so I can understand the backlash. I can also understand the irony: he snarks off about Rosanne being fired after an off-color joke, as if his own off-color jokes on twitter would be immune or forgotten.
I suspect he'll be rehired soon once he shows he has learned his lesson. (Unlike Rosanne, despite her immediate penitence and realization that other people suffer for her mistakes.)
https://mashable.com/2018/07/22/iron-man-robert-downey-jr-ad-lib.amp/
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"I am Iron Man."
Robert Downey Jr.-as-Tony Stark utters that short sentence in the waning moments of 2008's Iron Man, the movie that kicked off the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In the fictional moment, Stark opted to cast aside prepared remarks that would have kept his secret identity safe and out himself instead.
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It's such a lightning strike moment for a movie based on comic books, where secret identities are often treated as sacrosanct. It was also, as we now learn, an unscripted moment that Downey himself felt was a better fit for the character.
The revelation comes from none other than Kevin Feige, the president of Marvel Studios. "It's a fine line," he said of Downey Jr.'s decision to stray from the script. The interview comes from Deadline, part of a larger story that looks back on the MCU's first film a full 10 years later.
"If you're changing something for no reason, that's one thing, but if you're changing something because you want to double-down on the spirit of who the character is? That's a change we'll make. Tony Stark not reading off the card and not sticking with the fixed story? Him just blurting out 'I am Iron Man?' That seems very much in keeping with who that character is."
Director Jon Favreau and Marvel let the scene stand as it was shot, and the rest is history. Tony outs himself as a superhero, and much of the broader MCU story that rippled out from the first Iron Man was shaped by that choice.
In fact, Feige credits that creative decision, along with the subsequent fan response, for many of the bolder liberties Marvel took in subsequent years. It's apparently why Thor, who hid behind the identity of Dr. Donald Blake for many years in the comics, was his own, Asgardian self from moment one.
"It just hadn't been done in the comics before, but it was something very much in keeping with the comics character and what he could have done," Feige said of Downey's Iron Man line.
"I think it did inspire us on all the movies. What I love now — 20 movies in — is how fans expect the MCU to change and adapt. They expect us to be inspired by the comics as opposed to being slavishly devoted to them."
Hey, angry Star Wars fans. I hope you're paying attention.
Angry Star Wars fans don't care for crappy inspiration, Mashable, meant overtly to break the fanbase. ::) Hope you're paying attention, but I can already tell you won't be.
Marvel's attitude has not yet been "Let the past die, kill it if you have to. Oh you don't like us disrespecting the past? Then you're evil idiots, nyah, we can do what we want and don't need you as customers." :P
Okay, well, if you don't need fans of your products as customers, Star Wars producers... then get ready to complain about capitalism I guess. >:D
(Edited to add: obviously I'm not replying to OJD there, but to the Mashable article's author.)
Enough of the hideousness of modern movie moralizing though.
Here's a deleted scene from Thor3 which I lazily decided to add here for topicality sake (and laziness) that I legitimately don't quite understand why it was scrapped. I assume it was the tentacle party, but wouldn't that have been the easiest thing to replace or eliminate altogether?!
Moviebob weighs in on the Gunn firing (pun not intended): https://moviebobcentral.com/2018/07/23/on-james-gunn/
There's a video of the essay, too, but in this case it's just the print version on screen read aloud.
While I generally agree with his points, I note (1) a complete lack of acknowledgment of the political manipulation of media in a fake-news way by his side of the aisle (i.e. both sides do it, as he should be well aware, and it should be stopped -- this shouldn't only be about one side being stopped); and (2) no mention of the horrid and numerous links Gunn used to include as part of his edgy humor attempts. Those worry me more than the edgelord humor.
Still, I do get the edgelord humor defense and, far more importantly, that Gunn has tried to make real amends and repentance for what he used to do. That goes far in my book.
A lack of perspective bordering on hypocrisy, apparently inflated by Trump Derangement Syndrome, I also understand ::) ; but I don't think manipulating Disney into firing him is the best way for him to mature further along that line.
Moreover: it's important to understand that Gunn was the target of the sorts of edgelord internet scum that he himself used to be. These are not really political supporters of Trump, they're the counter-culture trolls, and right now radical-progressive culture (which Bob calls "center-progressive") is the mainstream culture (which is why Bob feels like calling it "center progressive" of course) -- so that's who they oppose. In the battle of edgelords vs edgelords, everyone loses. And all sides take advantage of their crude egotistic bleep-ery, to paint each other in the worst possible light, in order to keep the conflicts running.
Because where heated conflicts are running, there's power to be found in the heat (if not the light) of the friction. And the seriously evil masterminds, on each side and behind each side, will take harvest of that power for their own purposes.
But like I said I generally agree with Bob on this one.
(Though MovieBob desperately needs to get some historical perspective on exactly who the White Nationalists and fascists have almost entirely been in American history... he's being manipulated at a much higher level of troll-ops himself.)
By way of a pure "Whataboutism" attack, let's also note that Mike Cernovich, the right-wing troll who first brought Gunn's years-old transgressions to light, posted an hour-long Youtube documentary on the veracity of Pizzagate, and doesn't believe in rape:
http://archive.is/S0Sra
http://archive.is/CeNFX
he also knows that he's wrong, because he went back and deleted those tweets (which is why they are archived) but unlike Gunn, has never once tried to make amends for his idiocy.
So when Jack Probosiec jumps on the dogpile with a treasure-trove of Gunn's screenshots hashtagged "#walkaway" but is absolutely tombstone-silent about Cernovich's past transgressions, it's clear and obvious that this isn't about treatment of women, homophobia, minorities, pedophilia, or anything else.
It's 100% purely, unequivocally, about the culture wars, and the internet flash mobs that can't wait to yell and scream on command, with almost no nuance or thought whatsoever.
Oh it's absolutely about the culture wars, no doubt; and moreover the slugs who abetted this particular salvo have no leg to stand on regarding their own behavior in private and in public. I guarantee they didn't do it to help Trump, they did it because they regarded Gunn as a sanctimonious hypocrite who used to be one of them.
The wars are more complex though than one side vs the other, much less the good guys and the bad guys (and MovieBob is solidly in the good side / bad side dichotomy of us vs them, with "us" in his case being, cough, "center-progressive".) The edgelords rebelling against the current dominant culture are mainly in it for the chaos, for example, to make themselves feel superior by causing effects and ruining other people's effects. They aren't even necessarily as devoted as being in-it-for-the-chaos. They just do things on a moment-to-moment basis, cutting with the knives of Baal, themselves if they have no other target, to make themselves feel something more than what they felt yesterday. MovieBob has been fooled into thinking they're "cybernazis", but they aren't really: real National Socialists would use them as icebreakers for the revolution, maybe, and then crumble them up and burn them away. They're sucky little pawns at best.
(I'm assuming charitably in his favor that MovieBob has been fooled into thinking those dolts are real Nazis. He may know better and is intentionally manipulating media himself. After all, HE DOES COME FROM THE SAME POOL! -- he should really have experience.)
Come to think of it, I suppose they really are right-wing in that sense: they're for anarchy more than anything.
Anyway. The commentary I've seen from people whom MovieBob would no doubt consider right-wing fascist white supremeey Trumpkopf sieg heilers, are almost unanimous that Gunn shouldn't have been fired and should be rehired. They're chortling about the left-wing eating its own, but that's because they regard his firing as a symptom of the radical-left's ultimately self-destructive and corrosive mindset. They're really making fun of the people who fired him and the 'pearl-clutching' people who insisted that he should be fired. Mostly they're on Gunn's side about this, and so against the troll-lords. I qualify "mostly" because some of them think he was further down the pedo-hole, so to speak, than he has ever let on. But even those people see his firing as a self-destructive failure of the left, not as a triumph of conservativism or the Republican party, which most of them don't give a hoot about anyway (except so far as the Trump Administration has sort-of fooled them into thinking he's inherently a chaos player when he really is an embodiment of the status quo who has figured out a promotional niche to exploit.) Much less as a triumph of Nazism or the Klan or some nonsense like that.
As to whether or how far the Trump Administration manipulated the events... well, I wouldn't put it past them, but traditionally the Republican Party (regardless of flavor) hasn't gone in for that kind of thing nearly as much as the Democrats (in various flavors) have. (hashtag Cernovichconfirmeddonkeytool ;) ) Then again, Trump is a fairly recent neo-con, whom I wouldn't classify as a conservative at all (and not much of a true centrist liberal either) who has had much more connections with the Democratic Party machine in his personal and business history, so who knows. Seems kind of a waste to put a career-hit on James Gunn of all people, regardless of what he said against Trump which has been relatively mild compared to other people the TrumpAdmin hasn't gone after.
(MovieBob seems aware of the implausibility of this charge, so he regards it as a dry run for something more nefarious. PS, he adds, we all know what this more nefarious coming operation will be: the downfall of Kathleen Kennedy in revenge for screwing up Star Wars. ......what? :2funny: That's part of Bob's brain admitting that this is not really a political hit at all, just people MAKING POLITICAL HAY OUT OF IT after the fact. People such as, for one pertinent example, Bob Chipman. ::) It really is just scummy internet pranksters amusing themselves with their destructive powers over petty vendettas, not a political conspiracy. But various people, including Cernovich, badly want it to be, so with some spin, presto: it really is now. Various political actors on various sides make use of it, and the poo-flinging continues.)
I still don't get how Disney PR didn't tell Gunn to scrub his twitter back in 2012 when he initially made his apologies for being and edgelord troll in the past.
Notice Rian Johnson deleted 21,000 tweets this week. I guess Disney's finally getting on top of its people.
Saw that, too. Smirked at the frantic scrubbing. Those life choices don't look so daring now do they, Rian? :P
But it doesn't matter. The internet remembers; someone would have found those twits, just like someone did find those twits after Gunn did scrub his. If someone wants to air Rian's dumbass tweetering (or Kennedy's for that matter), they'll find it and get it done.
To be selfishly honest, I care a lot more about James Gunn coming back for Marvel than I do about base-cracker Rian coming back for more SWars. I'm trying not to let that factor into my current balance in favor of Gunn being re-instituted, but I'm sure not gonna cry if they work out a way.
Lord, I need a palate cleanser after that. If only HISHE hadn't already done an episode on Av3, or would do another on--
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DANGIT, I JUST USED UP A FINGER ON THE PAW, DIDN'T I!?
(Note that this is mostly a commercial for Audible, and a little more specifically for the Harry Potter audiobook series.)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-cernovich-james-gunn-fired_us_5b5265cce4b0fd5c73c570ac
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-gunn-disney-wont-rehire-guardians-of-the-galaxy-1202892424/
QuoteDisney insiders say the company was not aware of the offensive tweets and was taken aback when they were recirculated.
That doesn't mesh well with the other official story, that this is old news and Disney dealt with it long ago before hiring him on. ???
it was Disney not wanting their twitter feeds over-run by Cernovich's troll army
http://www.didthanoskill.me/
Woot! Spared!
\m/
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 03, 2018, 11:59:59 AM
http://www.didthanoskill.me/
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=22211.msg611278#msg611278
Quote from: mirth on August 03, 2018, 12:03:33 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 03, 2018, 11:59:59 AM
http://www.didthanoskill.me/
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=22211.msg611278#msg611278
wait, you think I actually
read stuff around here?
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 03, 2018, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: mirth on August 03, 2018, 12:03:33 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 03, 2018, 11:59:59 AM
http://www.didthanoskill.me/
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=22211.msg611278#msg611278
wait, you think I actually read stuff around here?
Well, I didn't post it on the "front page"
Spared!!
OBVIOUSLY SPARED!
(Because Thanos is a fictional character and I'm still here and I'm not gonna click on a sketchy link to check a 50/50 dice ro........
I survived Thanos but unfortunately the guy who was driving the car I was in at the time didn't so I died anyway. Bummer!
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-gunn-demand-major-studio-movies-disney-firing-1133161
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/08/09/marvel-disney-james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-rehired/
Hollywood's morality is unshakable.... unless it threatens their profitability. Then it's optional.
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 10, 2018, 11:51:39 AM
Hollywood's morality is unshakable.... unless it threatens their profitability. Then it's optional.
Isn't that true pretty much anywhere?
They are all gettin lots of free pub anyway.... ::)
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 10, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 10, 2018, 11:51:39 AM
Hollywood's morality is unshakable.... unless it threatens their profitability. Then it's optional.
Isn't that true pretty much anywhere?
Yes.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 10, 2018, 07:59:41 AM
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/08/09/marvel-disney-james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-rehired/
Despite the address-title, he hasn't been rehired yet. It's more of an unsubtantiated rumor that they're trying to rehire him secretly.
Quote"Nobody is talking about it, but sources said that back channel conversations are taking place between Marvel Studios and Disney," Deadline reports. "Sources said the Marvel contingent is trying to persuade Disney to explore a compromise that might bring Gunn back into the fold for Guardians 3, something that clearly would be best for the franchise. There is no clash or strong arming here."
It's too bad, because I bet myself a Coke they'll eventually rehire him, and so I don't get a Coke yet. ::)
(I'm good either way, rehire or not. Some of those many, many spicy tweets went beyond being spicy. But he seems to have matured into his opportunity, so to speak, and the cast support lends some weight toward that, too.)
My morality cannot be bought or sold. Though if the price is right, I might rent it out for a bit. After all the world is already full of rich hypocrites, what's one more?
I don't have a link, but apparently some smutty photos have surfaced to complicate matters again. (I gather that the photos are ones taken by Gunn himself while he was attending a pedophile-themed party. :hide: L:-) #:-))
The moral of this should be, among other things: being a douchey edgelord can and does have consequences, even if you don't personally mean anything by it other than to get yourself attention.