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Title: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Nefaro on August 07, 2018, 10:39:18 AM
A big expansion book with much focus on Chaos and chaos-worshipping characters, among other things, for Zweihander is up on Kickstarter, and easily passed it's goal in the first day.

However, if it reaches a certain stretch goal then the massive original core book will be offered in a profession print job again.    :clap:  While my print-on-demand version suffices I have serious doubts as to whether that huge spine, only held together with a huge raft of book glue, will stand the test of time.  Needs me a proper higher quality sewn version!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/grimandperilous/main-gauche-a-zweihander-grim-and-perilous-rpg-sup/description


Love the artwork.  Definitely reminiscent of 1st Edition WFRP.  O0  Even more importantly, there is already so much content in Zweihander, I don't think the new WFRP4 is really needed since there is far more economy of content in Zweihander.

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Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Dammit Carl! on August 07, 2018, 11:17:23 AM
 :bd:

Looks very, very good.

The warped Halfling in me who makes meat pies out of corpses (fresh ones, mind you!) chuckles in dark glee at this news.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 07, 2018, 11:41:18 AM
that does look pretty awesome
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: airboy on August 07, 2018, 07:35:16 PM
You realize I hate you for pointing stuff like this out.  For $20 you get the original RPG and the supplement in pdf. 

Boy I hate you.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Nefaro on August 09, 2018, 08:08:14 PM
Quote from: airboy on August 07, 2018, 07:35:16 PM

Boy I hate you.

My job, here, is done.  <:-)

Also - they mentioned offering all the previous print editions (including those mongo tarot-sized monster & spell cards) at close to cost after the KS finishes.  I suppose for backers..?  Or maybe everyone.   I've been ogling those "cheat sheet" tarot cards for awhile.  WANT.  I hate myself, now, too.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Yskonyn on August 10, 2018, 07:47:33 AM
Holy flaming witchballs!

I couldn't help myself here. Backed the supplement at the level where I obtain all digital books as well!  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Nefaro on August 10, 2018, 09:13:25 PM
They just added the fancy gargantuan core Zweihander offset book in print (again) as a $65 add-on.  :bd:
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Yskonyn on August 11, 2018, 01:11:01 AM
From what I gather from the comments lots of people were hoping for this. Excellent stuff!
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: airboy on August 11, 2018, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 10, 2018, 09:13:25 PM
They just added the fancy gargantuan core Zweihander offset book in print (again) as a $65 add-on.  :bd:

The pdf of this comes with a $20 pledge.  You can always print and bind a pdf at any office place.  I cannot get excited about an additional $65 for something I'm not currently playing.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Yskonyn on August 12, 2018, 02:19:15 AM
I am ploughing through the Core book. It's a totally different take on roleplayingfrom what I am used to (DnD mainly).
This is definately more hardcore and gritty. It reminds me a bit of Darkest Dungeon with all the permanent afflictions the characters can get.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Dammit Carl! on August 13, 2018, 08:50:10 AM
Welp.  Once payday hits, I'm backing this sucker for sure.

In hindsight, I'm starting to think that I've got as much WHFRP stuff as I do D&D related items.  Hunh.  Snuck up on me, there.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Nefaro on August 13, 2018, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Yskonyn on August 12, 2018, 02:19:15 AM
I am ploughing through the Core book. It's a totally different take on roleplayingfrom what I am used to (DnD mainly).
This is definately more hardcore and gritty. It reminds me a bit of Darkest Dungeon with all the permanent afflictions the characters can get.

It's basically an extension of ye olde 1st, and especially 2nd edition, Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay with some slight name changes to keep the Games Workshop IP hounds at bay. 

Always loved it for the gritty darkness.  While most people think in terms of D&D-style, or not D&D, I'd say WFRP seems to play out most like a Call Of Cthulhu game in a 'grimdark' low fantasy renaissance setting.

The style definitely has a lot in common with CoC.


P.S. And, frankly, Zweihander gives FAR more bang for the buck compared to the official GW-licensed WFRP releases.  The core Zweihander book weighs in at just shy of 700 full-size pages packed with goodies.  It's an unspoken marketing rule for the original versions to split up all that content to sell more in the long run, often leaving me feeling as if the core book is incomplete.  :arr:
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Dammit Carl! on August 13, 2018, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 13, 2018, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Yskonyn on August 12, 2018, 02:19:15 AM
I am ploughing through the Core book. It's a totally different take on roleplayingfrom what I am used to (DnD mainly).
This is definately more hardcore and gritty. It reminds me a bit of Darkest Dungeon with all the permanent afflictions the characters can get.
P.S. And, frankly, Zweihander gives FAR more bang for the buck compared to the official GW-licensed WFRP releases.  The core Zweihander book weighs in at just shy of 700 full-size pages packed with goodies.  It's an unspoken marketing rule for the original versions to split up all that content to sell more in the long run, often leaving me feeling as if the core book is incomplete.  :arr:

Word.  In my opinion, it's nice to see throwbacks to the days of yore when once could get one book and that be it (unless you wanted more that is).

Plus, if printed out, it can be used as a ballistic shield if needed.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Tpek on August 13, 2018, 12:50:52 PM
DriveThruRPG has the Core Book of Zweihander as their daily-deal sale:

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/210516/ZWEIHANDER-Grim-and-Perilous-RPG--Core-Book

The PDF version is $5.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 13, 2018, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: Tpek on August 13, 2018, 12:50:52 PM
DriveThruRPG has the Core Book of Zweihander as their daily-deal sale:

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/210516/ZWEIHANDER-Grim-and-Perilous-RPG--Core-Book

The PDF version is $5.

whelp...  just failed my Save vs Willpower  (or my Save vs Wallet)
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Dammit Carl! on August 13, 2018, 01:52:47 PM
(High fives with my chaos twisted tentacle hand thing)

Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 13, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
the thing is, I honestly doubt I'll ever play an adventure with this game, but $5 for 700 pages of RPG reading goodness is too good to pass up
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Tpek on August 13, 2018, 03:39:52 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 13, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
the thing is, I honestly doubt I'll ever play an adventure with this game, but $5 for 700 pages of RPG reading goodness is too good to pass up

Same here.

And now that I think about it, I seem to have a permanent very high negative modifier to my Will saving throws against buying games.  :))
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 13, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
holy shit - this gets better and better...


apparently, I've already purchased it about 2 years ago ::)
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Nefaro on August 13, 2018, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 13, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
holy shit - this gets better and better...


apparently, I've already purchased it about 2 years ago ::)

I think you grabbed it that day they were giving them away for free. 

I recall posting about it and I think you replied that you had grabbed it.  :-"
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Yskonyn on August 14, 2018, 02:51:16 AM
The more I read the more I discover this is quite a ways outside my comfort zone (in that it requires a completely different approach to my usual roleplaying);
The book specifically states the game rules are less suited for your typical dungeon romp where a bunch of adventurers go in, save the day and get some loot.

This game is much more about players being as common as the folk around them struggling with the grim life in their perilous world.
How would you guys play the (imo) more border case professions like hookers and dockworkers and the like? Would you just play them as such in Tier 1 and advance them towards combat professions in later Tiers?

I ask because I have no experience roleplaying in this setting and am interested in what you guys think.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 14, 2018, 05:24:02 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 13, 2018, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 13, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
holy shit - this gets better and better...


apparently, I've already purchased it about 2 years ago ::)

I think you grabbed it that day they were giving them away for free. 

I recall posting about it and I think you replied that you had grabbed it.  :-"

that might well be it.

File creation date says last October.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Tpek on August 14, 2018, 07:53:12 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 13, 2018, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 13, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
holy shit - this gets better and better...


apparently, I've already purchased it about 2 years ago ::)

I think you grabbed it that day they were giving them away for free. 

I recall posting about it and I think you replied that you had grabbed it.  :-"

Oh man, I really should start checking this part of the forum more often.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: bayonetbrant on August 14, 2018, 08:04:12 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 13, 2018, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 13, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
holy shit - this gets better and better...


apparently, I've already purchased it about 2 years ago ::)

I think you grabbed it that day they were giving them away for free. 

I recall posting about it and I think you replied that you had grabbed it.  :-"

yep, here it is...

Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 30, 2017, 06:23:14 PM
dude - thanks! that's awesome :)

I always liked the setting from WFRP, but the rules never resonated w/ me.

O0
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Nefaro on August 19, 2018, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 14, 2018, 08:04:12 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 13, 2018, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 13, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
holy shit - this gets better and better...


apparently, I've already purchased it about 2 years ago ::)

I think you grabbed it that day they were giving them away for free. 

I recall posting about it and I think you replied that you had grabbed it.  :-"

yep, here it is...

Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 30, 2017, 06:23:14 PM
dude - thanks! that's awesome :)

I always liked the setting from WFRP, but the rules never resonated w/ me.

O0

It's always nice getting a reminder that my memory is still functioning.  Sometimes I forget it continues to work.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Nefaro on August 19, 2018, 10:31:07 PM
Quote from: Yskonyn on August 14, 2018, 02:51:16 AM
The more I read the more I discover this is quite a ways outside my comfort zone (in that it requires a completely different approach to my usual roleplaying);
The book specifically states the game rules are less suited for your typical dungeon romp where a bunch of adventurers go in, save the day and get some loot.

This game is much more about players being as common as the folk around them struggling with the grim life in their perilous world.
How would you guys play the (imo) more border case professions like hookers and dockworkers and the like? Would you just play them as such in Tier 1 and advance them towards combat professions in later Tiers?

I ask because I have no experience roleplaying in this setting and am interested in what you guys think.

As previously mentioned, I'd summarize WFRP style role-playing as much like:

"Call Of Cthulhu in a fantasy setting"

Cultists everywhere.  People and beasts and monsters warped by dark demon gods plotting to take over, etc.  It generally leans towards similar deadly investigative themes.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Tpek on August 20, 2018, 05:18:29 AM
WFRP is hardly as deadly to the characters as CoC.
In CoC, practically everything kills you, drives you insane, or both, including leveling your character. :P
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: airboy on August 20, 2018, 09:02:29 AM
Quote from: Tpek on August 20, 2018, 05:18:29 AM
WFRP is hardly as deadly to the characters as CoC.
In CoC, practically everything kills you, drives you insane, or both, including leveling your character. :P

Call of Cthulhu is not known for its "character development."  Great game to solve mysteries, but a "Cthulhu Campaign" is almost oxymoron.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Tpek on August 20, 2018, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: airboy on August 20, 2018, 09:02:29 AM
Quote from: Tpek on August 20, 2018, 05:18:29 AM
WFRP is hardly as deadly to the characters as CoC.
In CoC, practically everything kills you, drives you insane, or both, including leveling your character. :P

Call of Cthulhu is not known for its "character development."  Great game to solve mysteries, but a "Cthulhu Campaign" is almost oxymoron.

I actually wondered when I read some old edition CoC core rules, why even bother with an advancement system. How long do they expect individual characters to survive?

But if you want a game with even less character survival-rates, try Paranoia! :D
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Nefaro on August 21, 2018, 01:22:33 AM
Quote from: Tpek on August 20, 2018, 05:18:29 AM
WFRP is hardly as deadly to the characters as CoC.
In CoC, practically everything kills you, drives you insane, or both, including leveling your character. :P

Deadly?  Not quite so.  Although there is definitely a high chance of permanent injury, maiming, mutation, and mental issues due to corruption in this one.   It's much closer to CoC style than D&D.   ^-^



Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: airboy on September 06, 2018, 08:10:07 AM
The Kickstarter is a wrap.  They reached almost all of their stretch goals.  Looking forward to the pdf being added to my huge stack of yet-unread RPG pdfs.
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Nefaro on September 06, 2018, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: airboy on September 06, 2018, 08:10:07 AM
Looking forward to the pdf being added to my huge stack of yet-unread RPG pdfs.

:2funny:

:-"
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Dammit Carl! on September 07, 2018, 08:57:28 AM
Quote from: airboy on September 06, 2018, 08:10:07 AM
The Kickstarter is a wrap.  They reached almost all of their stretch goals.  Looking forward to the pdf being added to my huge stack of yet-unread RPG pdfs.

O0
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Dammit Carl! on October 21, 2018, 09:00:27 PM
https://grimandperilous.com/grim-perilous-studios-announces-its-next-game-tetsubo-grim-perilous-rpg/

Phone posting, so apologies, but hot damn!
Title: Re: Zweihander Grim & Perilous Expansion on KS
Post by: Tpek on October 22, 2018, 08:08:54 AM
Strange choice, Tetsubo.

I would have gone with No-Dachi as a name, seeing as they named the previous game Zweihander.