Yes, yes, a thousand times
YES!!! <:-)
I'm so excited for this I may have to change my shorts (again)! The period of the Danelaw and Alfred the Great is a fantastic era for the Total War series to cover, especially the "Saga" team, which works on smaller, more focused scenarios. I can't wait!!
EDIT: A short FAQ can be found here (https://www.totalwar.com/blog/thrones-britannia-faq). Not much info yet, but a few useful tidbits.
Is this what it takes to get you out among the living?
The above looks marvelous. Now I feel whole again having two new upcoming historical TW games on my to-buy list again.
Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is "Not again...".
What about China? India? The Ancient Middle-East/Levant? Africa for something completely original.
Why do they keep doing the exact same game over and over and over again. :(
Because people love it and it sells 100s of 1000s of copies!
Quote from: Gusington on November 14, 2017, 02:32:45 PM
Because people love it and it sells 100s of 1000s of copies!
Maybe, but an original and interesting game could easily sell more.
aaaaand there's the viking invasion TW we've been fully expecting.
Quote from: Gusington on November 14, 2017, 02:18:25 PM
Is this what it takes to get you out among the living?
...Yes? :-\
I've still been here; I've just not been logged in and posting (obviously). Ever since I got promoted, my active participation in most sites has been way down; still struggling with that whole "life balance" thing people talk about (how most of you manage it with spouses/kids is beyond me)...
Quote from: Gusington on November 14, 2017, 02:18:25 PM
The above looks marvelous. Now I feel whole again having two new upcoming historical TW games on my to-buy list again.
Same here. Warhammer is fun, but I'm really looking forward to CA getting back to the historical titles that they (generally) do so well.
Interesting.
Liked the trailer, but I will want to see more. :)
Quote from: Tpek on November 14, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is "Not again...".
What about China? India? The Ancient Middle-East/Levant? Africa for something completely original.
Why do they keep doing the exact same game over and over and over again. :(
From the FAQ:
QuoteSagas won't introduce brand-new eras; they'll follow-on from previous Total War games and inhabit the same time-period, or at the very least relate to it.
Fall of the Samurai is exactly the kind of thing we're talking about here. It was a standalone spin-off from Total War: SHOGUN 2, focussed on the pivotal event of the Boshin War.
There's the short answer to your question,
Tpek. CA hasn't yet done a major title that covers China, India, etc.; ergo, the Saga team isn't going to go back and cover a smaller scenario within those periods.
Of course, the next major historical title has yet to be announced, so keep your fingers crossed. :) I personally would still love to see a TW title set in ancient/medieval China; that would be epic!
Quote from: Tpek on November 14, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is "Not again...".
What about China? India? The Ancient Middle-East/Levant? Africa for something completely original.
Why do they keep doing the exact same game over and over and over again. :(
THIS isn't THAT
THAT is yet to be announced
They can have my money, maybe. I want a look at the map and factions first. Age of Charlemagne comes very close to this same period and Britain is almost a campaign by itself. And a damned good one too. If we get a big Britain map with lots of land to play on then good but if all we get is a Ceasar in Gaul-type thing then I could easily pass.
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 14, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
Quote from: Tpek on November 14, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is "Not again...".
What about China? India? The Ancient Middle-East/Levant? Africa for something completely original.
Why do they keep doing the exact same game over and over and over again. :(
THIS isn't THAT
THAT is yet to be announced
Sounds like some Top Secret Ninja Shit™.
UCG could tell us, but then he'd have to garrote us.
Twice
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 14, 2017, 04:11:16 PM
They can have my money, maybe. I want a look at the map and factions first. Age of Charlemagne comes very close to this same period and Britain is almost a campaign by itself. And a damned good one too. If we get a big Britain map with lots of land to play on then good but if all we get is a Ceasar in Gaul-type thing then I could easily pass.
That what's what I've been wanting as well, and it sounds like they've got it covered. From the FAQ:
Quote
What geographical area will it cover?
The map is the whole of the British Isles, we've gone for such a focused map to allow for us to put a lot of detail into it.
What are the playable factions?
We'll be confirming all ten of the playable factions over the coming months but for now we can tell you that you'll be able to play as Anglo-Saxons, Viking settlers and certain Gaelic clans.
I wonder if this means islands (Wight, Man, etc.) and the Orkneys will be their own regions. (Please please please...!)
Is this fantasy?
^Depends on your point of view but I don't think it is intended as fantasy, no.
10 factions?? Nice.
There were plenty of snakes in Northumbria back then and that pit was full of them.
Read up on Ragnar Lodbrok and the Ormgard.
My question is if we are going to get a map of the whole of Britain to play on, is Bob's house going to be on it? Or will it be buildable and what effect on Public Order will it have?
Once his house is constructed, effects are as follows: +2 to Public Order, and Bawb becomes a Hero you can recruit into your faction.
Embedded in an army, Bawb grants +4 Morale to all units, but the commanding general gains the trait "Mustache Envy". Embedded in a settlement, he improves tax income by 4% and growth rate by a whopping 8%, but at the cost of -3 food consumption. If Bawb is sent to infiltrate an enemy army, there is a 2% chance each turn that the entire army (including its General) defects to your faction, with no penalties for failure (the troops just love him too much). If he is sent to infiltrate an enemy settlement, there's an immediate 50% chance he either dies or the entire settlement defects to your faction (regardless of culture). 8)
Looks Ace; a south east Asian one would be good too but this just looks ace.
It has been a while since I was excited for a new Total War game, I like it :D
What this means is that their will not be a new total war game proper or engine for many years to come.
We have instead for the next few years an expansion for Rome2 (the expansion for rome2 is out in 15 days or so) and an expansion for Atilla (this viking sage is based on the atilla engine).
For me it means unless I do a crazy upgrade on everything. I probably will not be playing either. At least until the next engine which will hopefully bring back empire total war's crisp and impressive graphics to units. You know, units with real polygons at a distance. Both of these announcements are disappointing to me. Not just because of the engine but because they are basically rehashing the same periods that exist. I was hoping for different periods all together. There have been so many expansions for the rome2/atilla series already.
(https://sparkofknowledge.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/empire__total_war-alpine_battle_2.jpg)
vs
(https://www.macgamestore.com/images_screenshots/total-wartm-rome-ii-emperor-edition-22897.jpg)
CA have already posted about a third game in an entirely new historical era that is being developed right now.
And these new 'smaller' games are generally HUGE compared to TW games from years ago. One indication of that is the 10 (!!!) factions that will be available in Thrones of Britannia.
Martok you would have won the internet for the day with that post but you neglected to include Bawb's most important defensive trait: +15 cranial frying pan resistance.
It's Viking Invasions 2: Total War. That's enough for me.
It totally is - as Des said above it has definitely been done before, 15 years ago. But new tech makes everything old new again, especially if you love Viking history.
There is already a great mod for Attila that is very similar to this. It is called "Age of Vikings". It's very well done and it's free.
Yeah I enjoyed Age of Vikings.
@Martok & @UCG
Awesome then! :)
Age of Charlamagne is close in period and would include most of the same units. Apart from the Normans. It starts in 768 CE
http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Age_of_Charlemagne_Campaign_Pack
THrones of Britannia starts in 878 AD and covers to 1066 (battle of hastings, Normans arrive with William the Conqueror)
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/thrones-britannia-faq
I generally find Vikings in total war games fairly pedestrian. Because the troop types are pretty bland imho. They would need to differentiate each individual viking warband in the host by making them have their leaders personality before it would become interesting.
Since Vikings will not be released until mid 2018. I am assuming we will not get another historical total war game "proper" until the year after or even further down the line after that if they release more of their "saga" series in the mean time. Rome2 was released in 2013. So it will have been at least 5 years before major release. I don't include Atilla since it is just a small modification of the existing engine.
I have always suspected that even though they say they have a completely separate team for fantasy and historical that some resources are shared and that releases of the two genres will never be allowed to intersect.
Quote from: Martok on November 14, 2017, 11:40:00 PM
Once his house is constructed, effects are as follows: +2 to Public Order, and Bawb becomes a Hero you can recruit into your faction.
Embedded in an army, Bawb grants +4 Morale to all units, but the commanding general gains the trait "Mustache Envy". Embedded in a settlement, he improves tax income by 4% and growth rate by a whopping 8%, but at the cost of -3 food consumption. If Bawb is sent to infiltrate an enemy army, there is a 2% chance each turn that the entire army (including its General) defects to your faction, with no penalties for failure (the troops just love him too much). If he is sent to infiltrate an enemy settlement, there's an immediate 50% chance he either dies or the entire settlement defects to your faction (regardless of culture). 8)
I like it! :bd:
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 14, 2017, 04:38:11 PM
Twice
Ouch! Anyway, I'm generally happy with Total War stuff and I'm sure I'll buy it all some day.
Whatever you do, Destraex, I strongly recommend you not get involved with DCS.
Your funny. I already own some aircraft in that game :P
Star Citizen as well.
Quote from: MengJiao on November 16, 2017, 06:06:27 AM
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 14, 2017, 04:38:11 PM
Twice
Ouch! Anyway, I'm generally happy with Total War stuff and I'm sure I'll buy it all some day.
Same, plus I like the idea of a focused campaign like Fall of the Samurai.
A short blog (https://www.totalwar.com/blog/thrones-of-britannia-878-ad) from Jack Lusted about the decision to start the game in 878 A.D (a topic already much discussed/critiqued/debated)...
[spoiler]
Hello and welcome to the first in a series of blogs from lead developer Jack Lusted that will talk about the core decisions behind the design and direction of A Total War Saga: Thrones of Britannia. As this is the first blog, it feels best to start with the first question that will come to mind for those familiar with the history of this era.
So Jack, why 878 AD?
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When you think of Viking Britain, two dates really come to mind:
793 AD: The first major Viking raid on the monastery of Lindisfarne
865 AD: The Great Heathen Army, also called the Great Viking Army and supposedly led by the sons of the legendary Viking Ragnar Lodbrok, arrives in England
Both of these are sort of seen as heralding the arrival of different phases of Viking activity. The first leads to the era of constant raiding of the coasts of Britain and Ireland, the second to their eventual settling in England after a lot of fighting. But both of these to a degree are a start, a beginning of something, and I think what happens next is just as interesting.
Total War: ATTILA and Total War: WARHAMMER both feature large invasions by marauding forces, as did the Viking Invasion expansion for Medieval: Total War, but they don't delve into what comes next. What happens after the invasion? How do countries and people pick themselves back up and adapt to the new reality they're faced with?
This aftermath is as fascinating to me, if not more so, than the invasion itself as it's here that the consequences play out. How do the different cultures cope in areas where they've merged together? The Great Heathen Army has been defeated, but the fighting hasn't really stopped. What does that mean for agriculture, and the need to support armies all the time? What will later Viking raiders think of the ones who've already settled, will they look on them as brothers or treat them as another target?
The Treaty of Wedmore, signed after the Battle of Edington in 878 AD, is a great time to jump into to look at answering those questions. The Great Viking Army has settled in the old English kingdoms of Northumbria and East Anglia as well as the eastern half of Mercia, the areas that would become known as the Danelaw. Alfred the Great has carved out a kingdom, but it's still fragile, and lots of English lands lie under Viking rule.
In Wales, king Rhodri the Great has died after uniting the lands, his territory divided amongst his sons who each look to follow in the footsteps of their father and rule as King of the Britons, but also deal with a resurgent Wessex.
To the north in Scotland, the Gaels have overtaken the Picts and the two branches of the Alpinid dynasty vie for control of what is known as Alba. To the west in Ireland, the lands are as divided as they've ever been, between Gaelic Kingdoms and new Viking settlements now dotting the coast.
This brief moment of peace after the Treaty of Wedmore, this little bit of calm, is a perfect starting point for us because it represents a crossroads in time. History unfolded in a way that defined what Britain is today, but at this exact moment, the future is wide open. It is perfect for Total War, and the sandbox nature of our campaign gameplay. History only happened the way it did because of the decisions of people alive at the time. What happens when different choices are made, another path is taken? In Thrones of Britannia, we want you to make those choices, and decide who will rule the Isles.
Next time on the blog we'll be talking about the map for Thrones of Britannia, so be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter or sign up to our forums for news on that.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Gusington on November 15, 2017, 08:56:46 AM
Martok you would have won the internet for the day with that post but you neglected to include Bawb's most important defensive trait: +15 cranial frying pan resistance.
This was before he married Mrs. Bawb. We can't assume he'd acquired any cast iron-related defensive abilities at that time yet. :P
Quote from: bob48 on November 15, 2017, 05:49:25 PM
Quote from: Martok on November 14, 2017, 11:40:00 PM
Once his house is constructed, effects are as follows: +2 to Public Order, and Bawb becomes a Hero you can recruit into your faction.
Embedded in an army, Bawb grants +4 Morale to all units, but the commanding general gains the trait "Mustache Envy". Embedded in a settlement, he improves tax income by 4% and growth rate by a whopping 8%, but at the cost of -3 food consumption. If Bawb is sent to infiltrate an enemy army, there is a 2% chance each turn that the entire army (including its General) defects to your faction, with no penalties for failure (the troops just love him too much). If he is sent to infiltrate an enemy settlement, there's an immediate 50% chance he either dies or the entire settlement defects to your faction (regardless of culture). 8)
I like it! :bd:
The ultimate compliment. You are most kind, good sir. :notworthy:
There was time when Bawb was not married to Mrs. Bawb? Insanity.
QuoteTotal War: ATTILA and Total War: WARHAMMER both feature large invasions by marauding forces, as did the Viking Invasion expansion for Medieval: Total War, but they don't delve into what comes next. What happens after the invasion? How do countries and people pick themselves back up and adapt to the new reality they're faced with?
...admittedly I haven't played VI in at least ten years, but that isn't what I remember at all about it. Nations in the game were constantly dealing adapting to the new reality of having an established viking area on the Isles, upgrading their economic base (with great difficulty), trying to support standing armies. Still, I suppose he's positioning this as a sequel to VI.
You have a good memory. Or you're making it all up.
I am waiting for the, "Minnesota Vikings" DLC. Maybe there they'll actually have a chance of winning a Super Bowl.
I bet were are going to get a n:tw type of deal
Good, but it's just a glorified expansion
Napoleon was one of my favourites. But yes. It was missing the global campaign. Plus napoleon could not die :)
I managed to get Wellington killed in my NTW Campaign. #:-)
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 17, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
I managed to get Wellington killed in my NTW Campaign. #:-)
Damn. he was the only one we had as well. >:(
I hope you are wearing boots in his honour
He is - just not the kind you're thinking of ^-^
ROFL
Quote from: Martok on November 14, 2017, 01:57:59 PM
Yes, yes, a thousand times YES!!! <:-)
I'm so excited for this I may have to change my shorts (again)! The period of the Danelaw and Alfred the Great is a fantastic era for the Total War series to cover, especially the "Saga" team, which works on smaller, more focused scenarios. I can't wait!!
EDIT: A short FAQ can be found here (https://www.totalwar.com/blog/thrones-britannia-faq). Not much info yet, but a few useful tidbits.
Totally meh. Boring and uninteresting to me. I can skip this one. Only an amazing mod or if they make some serious fixes to the engine would get me to buy it....and only at a deep discount, say 75 percent off.
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 17, 2017, 08:15:45 AM
QuoteTotal War: ATTILA and Total War: WARHAMMER both feature large invasions by marauding forces, as did the Viking Invasion expansion for Medieval: Total War, but they don't delve into what comes next. What happens after the invasion? How do countries and people pick themselves back up and adapt to the new reality they're faced with?
...admittedly I haven't played VI in at least ten years, but that isn't what I remember at all about it. Nations in the game were constantly dealing adapting to the new reality of having an established viking area on the Isles, upgrading their economic base (with great difficulty), trying to support standing armies. Still, I suppose he's positioning this as a sequel to VI.
Your VI campaigns have played out very differently than mine.
Having continually played MTW/VI on an at-least intermittent basis ever since the game was released in 2002 (2003 for Viking Invasion), my experience has been that the Vikings generally have a difficult time establishing a firm foothold on the Isles. Played by the AI, they generally don't raid enough provinces to build up a sufficient treasury so they can establish a base of operations before running out of money (their troops are very good, but they're also bloody expensive).
Not to say the Vikings aren't a problem for the other factions: With their raids and occasional deeper inland thrusts/invasions, they do remain a destabilizing force until around the mid-game. After that, however, their influence wanes, as by that point one or more factions (usually including the human player) will have become large and/or powerful enough to deter/destroy any serious Norse aggression.
The comparisons between
Viking Invasion and
Thrones of Britannia were, of course, inevitable. 8)
Quote from: solops on November 18, 2017, 01:38:39 PM
Totally meh. Boring and uninteresting to me. I can skip this one. Only an amazing mod or if they make some serious fixes to the engine would get me to buy it....and only at a deep discount, say 75 percent off.
So given that the Total War Saga series is meant to go back and cover smaller, more specific scenarios/regions already covered by the larger "era" games (Rome II, Napoleon, etc.), what scenario would you like to have seen them do instead of this one? Or (to put it another way), what would you like to see them do next?
I'll have to think about that. I did not know that "Total War Saga" was a thing or that it was different from Total War. Ooops. I want them to fix the darn game, get the battle engine to be more realistic and do Rome-3 and do it RIGHT. And give us back the easy map editing capability we had in the first games.
Rome 2, after 17 patches, is now the Emperor's Edition, which is pretty solid.
Quote from: Gusington on November 19, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
Rome 2, after 17 patches, is now the Emperor's Edition, which is pretty solid.
Yup.
As solid as TW games get.
I tend to prefer vanilla TW
Rome 2 over
Attila because your tech progression doesn't give you a diplo penalty (as in Attila) for settled factions. That was a ridiculous and lazy thing to do, in order to "balance" regular faction types with their new Horde types in Attila. :tickedoff: Despite the new & welcome UI additions which, hopefully, are being added to Rome 2 with this DLC.
^Totally agree. Many mods remove that penalty. I think the Radious mods, which are excellent, remove it.
Quote from: Gusington on November 19, 2017, 04:02:00 PM
^Totally agree. Many mods remove that penalty. I think the Radious mods, which are excellent, remove it.
Most of them only modify it to some extent AFAIK.
I've seen one or two which profess to remove it, but I recall there being either some part(s) unaffected, or some other negative side effect.
Got the impression that the code for it wasn't fully mod-able, so people were using imperfect workarounds.
Also - I don't use Radious Mods anymore. They make some parts of TW games too easy.
It's been a while since I played Rome 2 so I honestly don't remember.
Quote from: Nefaro on November 19, 2017, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 19, 2017, 04:02:00 PM
^Totally agree. Many mods remove that penalty. I think the Radious mods, which are excellent, remove it.
Most of them only modify it to some extent AFAIK.
I've seen one or two which profess to remove it, but I recall there being either some part(s) unaffected, or some other negative side effect.
Got the impression that the code for it wasn't fully mod-able, so people were using imperfect workarounds.
Also - I don't use Radious Mods anymore. They make some parts of TW games too easy.
You have to remember gus plays on easy or he gets his ass kicked and gets all teary
^Only with your Mom.
You and the moms
Oh. Are 'Moms' a playable faction now? I know some that are already 'Mothers' enough. I got close to winning the game as the German Confederation but the Victory Conditions would've had me owning either all the money or all the land in the whole world to win and I got tired of grinding my way through and quit. After getting all teary of course.
Your mom thinks I'm cool.
Quote from: Gusington on November 20, 2017, 08:34:02 AM
Your mom thinks I'm cool.
Oh? His mom told me it was "hot".
Menopause is quite the drug.
Quite.
My Mom likes anyone that gets teary after getting their ass-kicked. She sees it as a positive character trait that proves you care. But 'cool' is only for the manly quiet type.
Both are me! Thus your mom's infatuation.
It doesn't matter. In four days, I'm playing the Armenians in the new R2TW campaign. :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
Some of the most fun I've had playing TW was as the Armenians in the patched and modded R2TW. Great faction action.
I can't get myself to buy the new campaign DLC for 15.00 though...I will wait for a price drop.
An interview with Jack Lusted, the game director:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/207434849
Not a ton of new info per se, as most of the questions (which came from the fans) were about the battles; and apparently the main changes in ToB are to the campaign, which he wasn't allowed to discuss just yet. Apparently we will get more info on that sometime next week.
The tidbits that stuck out for me:
1.) In what won't be a surprise to any of us here, the role of horse units will be minimal in ToB, since combat during this period was generally all about the shieldwall. If you use cavalry for anything other than scouting, flanking, or chasing down routers, they're gonna get chewed up -- badly.
2.) There aren't specific maps for each major settlement, apparently so as to avoid repetition (i.e., you don't learn to invade/defend Winchester or York a certain way every time). Instead, there are 16 battle maps for the major settlements -- Roman forts, older hilltop forts, Viking ports, etc. [To be honest, this part seems counter-intuitive to me, or at least not very well explained. Further elucidation is needed.]
2a.) The map types for battles for minor settlements was left out, as apparently the way minor settlements work is part of the changes being made to the campaign.
3.) With battles focusing on shieldwalls, faction unit rosters obviously won't be as varied as in other TW games. However, there will still be some distinctions: Vikings have more offensive-type troops (especially those armed with axes), the Welsh have the best cavalry (relatively speaking), Irish armies are more skirmisher-oriented, and the Saxon kingdoms are the "all-rounders" with the most balanced roster.
4.) No mention was made of the Picts or Scots as a playable faction. It's suspected, however, that the omission is a purposeful tease of sorts.
5.) Berzerkers are definitely in the game (for better or worse!). They won't be quite like how they are in Age of Charlemagne, but rather closer to their original MTW/VI roots, where they had high offensive & morale stats, but low defense.
Thanks Martok - would love to see a Picts faction!
Total War games for me have always been about looking at my army like watching a movie. Because the tactical battles were always fairly limited in what exactly you could do to be involved. If they have less unit variety they should add more detailed and individual unit mechanics. Otherwise I will be watching two black blobs beat each other for half an hour. I don't know if I can be bothered watching the video. I am really not very excited until they improve the current engine or make a new one.
How can they get it so right in Total War Arena and so wrong in Total War.
Do you guys find it imperative to play out the tactical battles in TW, or can you do just as well, or better, with auto-resolve?
Depends on which TW game you're playing, but generally it is always better to play them out.
Quote from: MetalDog on December 10, 2017, 12:12:35 AM
Do you guys find it imperative to play out the tactical battles in TW, or can you do just as well, or better, with auto-resolve?
I find the strategic game is just a fairly arbitrary layer to facilitate the tactical battles. The point for me is the tactical battles.
Auto-resolve unless you overwhemingly out class the enemy's troops is always a risk.
I played everyone in my last campaign but as the end game started nearing there were 6 to 7 a turn and whilst I can watch warhammer battles all day sometimes it was easier to give auto resolve a press - you get a fairly decent projection of the outcome before you do
I have only ever played Medieval 2 and I never play the battles out. I find them tedious and time consuming.
Party pooper.
Unlike Destraex, I like the strategic layer. I like building the cities so I can field larger armies and win more battles. Now, other iterations may be more fun to play out the battles, but, I only have Rome and Shogun 2 and neither era/area really excites me enough to play.
The TW games whose strategic layers I enjoyed least were Empire and Napoleon TW...so much anticipation and promise and so ultimately disappointing. Fall of the Samurai's campaign map is probably my favorite...it was almost like watching a beautiful, elaborate trainset.
Quote from: MetalDog on December 10, 2017, 08:53:18 AM
I have only ever played Medieval 2 and I never play the battles out. I find them tedious and time consuming.
They get pretty repetitious.
I start auto-resolving anything that isn't a close fight, after a campaign has been going awhile. Sure, I could save some losses by doing it myself, but if it's already pretty much guaranteed, then it's just wasting my time.
Nefaro. To me that would be the game playing you rather than you playing the game. You are playing what is essentially a low level kingdom management game without the battles. To me you are skipping the core of the game. If it has become so repetitive it might be time to start a new campaign. However I know where you are coming from, you just want to fight the interesting battles. But still it seems the work is fairly onerous to get their and not worth the time.
This is why total war needs to evolve and add another layer between tactical and strategic maps. Something that allows you to manoever your army before battle and skirmish before the main battle starts. I don't just mean in the local area either. But rather a game of cat and mouse over perhaps half of italy or more. A 50% zoom into the map while on the strategic map to actually see a more detailed view and start to see where exactly each of your units is marching.
The series also needs to cut down on the amount of shitty siege battles. Those must be 80% of them, and they're always annoying.
Don't care how, just do it.
Aw, well. I have FOG2 so if I wanna get a steady taste of the big period battles, I'll just go to that. It's not a constant siege-fest.
As for the TW series, if it didn't have the single-player campaign, I'd never pick them up. The real-time battles are bleh clickfests.
Are there sieges in FoG2?
Quote from: Gusington on December 10, 2017, 07:10:38 PM
Are there sieges in FoG2?
Zero out of the box and none in campaign. But users can make a scenario if they want.
Someone already did the battle of Alesia.
Wow cool. Thanks!
Quote from: jomni on December 10, 2017, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Gusington on December 10, 2017, 07:10:38 PM
Are there sieges in FoG2?
Zero out of the box and none in campaign. But users can make a scenario if they want.
Someone already did the battle of Alesia.
Some Campanians tried to take my baggage. It was kind of like being breifly besieged.
Quote from: Destraex on December 10, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
Nefaro. To me that would be the game playing you rather than you playing the game. You are playing what is essentially a low level kingdom management game without the battles. To me you are skipping the core of the game. If it has become so repetitive it might be time to start a new campaign. However I know where you are coming from, you just want to fight the interesting battles. But still it seems the work is fairly onerous to get their and not worth the time.
This is why total war needs to evolve and add another layer between tactical and strategic maps. Something that allows you to manoever your army before battle and skirmish before the main battle starts. I don't just mean in the local area either. But rather a game of cat and mouse over perhaps half of italy or more. A 50% zoom into the map while on the strategic map to actually see a more detailed view and start to see where exactly each of your units is marching.
That would be an awesome game and probably would not make much money compared to how good the modeling and coding would have to be to get that to work. With the game as it is...I skip most battles unless they are sea battles or land battles with some elements of interest (such as being heavily outnumbered or a foe I haven't seen much). Seiges...I skip them 90% of the time or more. Which is to say at least 90% of the time, I skip them.
I play out most of my sieges, especially when defending, because I can win against most forces that are trying to take my city unless I am very outnumbered. Also - in my recent Polish campaign in Medieval 2 TW with Stainless Steel v6.4, the AI is better and attempts to take cities at multiple points in the walls, making for better sieges all around.
Quote from: MengJiao on December 10, 2017, 08:56:30 PM
Some Campanians tried to take my baggage. It was kind of like being breifly besieged.
Send those dirty Campanians away. Sicily might work.
Oh, wait. :-"
Cool new post over at Totalwar.com by Jack Lusted on the map, factions, research and more. I would post the link but I'm on a phone.
Quote from: Gusington on December 11, 2017, 01:03:47 PM
Cool new post over at Totalwar.com by Jack Lusted on the map, factions, research and more. I would post the link but I'm on a phone.
I just finished reading it myself.
Sweet baby Jesus, that map looks freaking awesome!!! This game is going to be so epic. My loins are seriously moistened right now.
Link to blog post (https://www.totalwar.com/blog/thrones-campaign-map-reveal)
Setting aside the wonderfully large number of territories (there's got to be something like 60 provinces divided into ~200 regions), the number of factions (over 50, including 17 just on Ireland), and level of detail (love those terrain features and the resources distribution), the feature that stuck out most for me was Jack's discussion of minor settlements and how they'll work in-game:
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They will have no walls and either one or two building slots . The available building types for each settlement will be pre-defined and based on the characteristics of the land around it. That could be a farm, or an iron mine, or an abbey.
In this way the system is more of a cross between the SHOGUN 2 provinces, with resource buildings located outside the main settlement, but combined with the ROME II and later system that allows for each of the minor settlements to be controlled independently. This means that the vast majority of the buildings that give you food and money exist outside the safety of the major settlements walls. This means that you will have to think about how you keep them protected but it also opens up a new set of offensive opportunities. You could for instance sack the farm provinces of an opponent to trigger a food shortage or occupy their mines to cut off income and cripple their ability to maintain a strong army. Attacking the minor settlements in a province can also be a good way to force a fight by pushing a stubborn opponent to step out from strong defences to protect their interests.
We'll have to see how well it actually works in implementation, of course, but this seems like a good system. I admittedly was never fond of Shogun 2's model of needing to defend (what was essentially) a single farm or mine outside my towns/castles; it always felt weird. Putting the farms & mines "inside" minor settlements strikes me as being a better, more organic solution.
Damn, I can't wait for this to come out. Is it 2018 yet??
I keep feverishly looking for when in 2018 this is due but haven't found anything 😒
Quote from: Martok on December 09, 2017, 03:29:39 PM
2.) There aren't specific maps for each major settlement, apparently so as to avoid repetition (i.e., you don't learn to invade/defend Winchester or York a certain way every time). Instead, there are 16 battle maps for the major settlements -- Roman forts, older hilltop forts, Viking ports, etc. [To be honest, this part seems counter-intuitive to me, or at least not very well explained. Further elucidation is needed.]
Okay, so Jack Lusted clarified a little what he meant by this in a recent post:
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These maps will cover settlements with old Roman walls, hillforts, ringforts, Viking ports, some based on promontory forts etc. Each has a unique layout. I said there were no unique settlement maps, I meant there is no settlement map that is used in just one place. We're spreading the maps around so there is good variety across the campaign.
Yes, the settlement maps won't change as the settlement size increases in the campaign, but if we'd done that there would be a lot less variety of maps. Every size variation of a map is the same as making another unique map. The approach we've gone for is all about getting that variety of experience in. The short time frame Thrones covers also means having huge changes to how settlements look doesn't really fit.
So going by that, it sounds like the (approximately) 16 settlement maps will be distributed among the various major settlements in the game, but said settlements will have one map type specific to it. Thus, we can expect that when battling for Eoferwic/York (as an example), the battle map will always be of an old Roman fort/town, or a Viking port, etc.
Quote from: Gusington on December 12, 2017, 09:24:20 AM
I keep feverishly looking for when in 2018 this is due but haven't found anything 😒
Same here. I'm pretty sure that's because they haven't committed to a specific release date yet, at least not publicly. It sounds like it's a smaller team working on ToB, at least compared to the teams working on the Warhammer series and the next main historical title.
One interesting thing Jack Lusted did mention was that
Thrones of Britannia is apparently going to be cheaper than the other mainline games (Warhammer, Rome II, etc.), probably due to fewer people working on the game, plus its smaller scope. I'm going to guess maybe a $40 price-point instead of the usual $60? Keeping fingers crossed.
I'll hold out til it's under 30.00 👍
I do like the idea of old Roman ruins, walls, cities, etc. being visualized on the maps, that sounds great.
Maybe Bob's first apartment too?
But a dry one.
With stylish ocher wall art.
Fire pit option?
How else would he brew mead?
I thought he always just summoned it forth. (His mustache alone would guarantee that.)
*shudder*
Update!! A new trailer, a new blog, and lots more info!
It looks and sounds pretty good. I'll admit I'd have been happier if it had shown some shieldwall action, but it sounds like that will be coming in a later gameplay video. Apparently CA needed to "sex up" the trailer by showing flashy swordplay combat instead. I guess I can live with that for now.
There's also a short blog (https://www.totalwar.com/blog/alfred-the-great) discussing Alfred the Great, and the position Wessex is in when the game begins:
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The youngest son of King Æthelwulf, Alfred of Wessex is more famously known as 'Alfred the Great' for his legendary will to survive and unite the isles under one banner.
Alfred undertook his first key military challenge in 868 AD when he supported his brother Æthelred, the reigning King of Wessex (West Seaxe), in an attempt to repel invading Danish Vikings from the neighboring Kingdom of Mercia (Mierce). This pre-emptive strike failed and the brothers were forced back to defend their homeland against the seemingly unstoppable Great Heathen Army.
After a grueling series of bloody battles, it was Alfred who led Wessex to victory in the Battle of Ashdown in 871, routing the Vikings in a fierce hillside assault and laying the first foundations for his reputation as a decisive leader.
In the next year, he succeeded his brother as king, who after subsequent crushing defeats at the hands of the Danes, perished from fatal wounds. The Anglo-Saxons were being squeezed from Wessex despite Alfred's improbable victory at Ashdown.
A battle veteran at 21, Alfred had no choice but to withdraw to the trying landscape of the Somerset Levels, where he continued guerrilla warfare against his foes. Building a fortified base, using mobile armies in the style of the Danes themselves, and using his knowledge of the difficult terrain, he again defeated the Danes in the Battle of Edington.
Alfred pursued them to their fortress in Chippenham and after fourteen long days the Danes were brought to their knees, starving and crippled with fear. This unexpected triumph will surely be pivotal in Wessex's campaign, not only for survival but for uniting the realm.
Alfred has reconsolidated his army in heavily entrenched settlements across southern England and is ready to stand firm against the onslaught of hungry and ambitious raiders and pretenders who continue to harass and divide the fractured kingdom of Britannia.
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The game's store profile on Steam has also been updated with additional info, especially with regards to a couple playable factions...
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Anglo Saxon KingdomsWhen Roman rule in England concluded, new kingdoms of Germanic stock coalesced in the counties now known as Northumbria, Mercia, Wessex, Essex, Sussex, East Anglia and Kent. The peoples of these regions came collectively to be known as the Anglo Saxons – a term which came into common usage in the 8th century in order to distinguish the English Saxons from the Old Saxons, or Ealdseaxe, of the European continent.
Broadly speaking, the Anglo Saxons existed between the collapse of Roman rule in the 5th century until the Norman invasion in the 11th century; the early Medieval period. Thrones of Britannia depicts the sweep of the British Isles from 878 AD onwards, when the Anglo Saxons were at their height.
Cultural Trait: FyrdIn Anglo Saxon times, the Fyrd was a form of conscripted army composed of self-armed and armoured freemen, called upon to defend their lands when the need arose. One of Alfred the Great's many reforms was to better formalise the system, ensuring wealthy landowners contributed men and materiel.
To reflect the Fyrd system, the English Kingdoms in Thrones of Britannia may recruit additional levy units based upon the number of settlements they own. Over-reliance on levy troops carries penalties however – if too many are fielded, the populace will rail against excessive conscription and public order issues will arise.
West Seaxe Faction, led by King AlfredWest Seaxe – or Wessex in modern English – was the seat of King Alfred's rule. After the Viking invasion in 871 AD, Alfred was forced to relocate to Somerset, but his stunning victory at the Battle of Edington saw him return triumphant. His subsequent reign saw a great many reforms and unifying improvements instated.
West Seaxe Faction trait: Witan The Witan is an assembly of governors which meets to discuss the future prospects of West Seaxe. Its recommendations are periodically presented to the player as a series of proposals. Each option carries positive and negative campaign effects, and can affect the faction's use of Fyrd levy units.
Mierce Faction, led by King CeowulfFrom its capital city of Tamworth, Mercia's kings ruled the area now known as the Midlands. At its height, Mierce stretched from Northumbria in the north of England to Kent, Sussex and Wessex to the south. In 877 AD, the Great Heathen Army seized the eastern part of the kingdom to form the Danelaw, or East Engle.
Faction trait: Hoards When an excess of gold languishes in the treasury, a Mierce player is given the option to share out a portion of the wealth. It may be given to the army for reduced upkeep and increased replenishment, to the nobles for increased loyalty and greater income from markets, to the people for increased public order and income from farms, or players may keep it for themselves, incurring penalties to army upkeep and public order.
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This bit sounds pretty juicy as well:
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Choose your strategy The Grand Campaign offers multiple routes to a glorious Victory; aggressively expand your territory through force of arms, acquire renown through construction, advanced technology and influence, or complete a series of unique objectives based on your chosen faction's history. Once completed, steady yourself for a significant late-game challenge and the final, Ultimate victory condition.
Explore and conquer the British IslesFrom the snowy highlands of Scotland to the orchards and meadows of Kent, push back the fog-of-war and unveil the extent of Anglo-Saxon Britain. Varied towns, cities and rural settings inspire a host of different battlefield environments. Experiment with the strategic opportunities afforded by newly capturable minor settlements. Throttle your enemies' trade routes and coax them out of strong, defensible positions.
Viking warlord or Anglo-Saxon king, define their legendEach faction will face a series of unique events and branching dilemmas, often based on authentic historical events and issues of the time. Embark on Viking expeditions, manage the Anglo-Saxon peasant economy, each faction feels and plays differently. Carve out unique roles for your King and Nobles, customise their impact by making meaningful choices about their development and determine how their story will unfold.
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I really like that there's going to be multiple victory paths, and that each faction will have its own unique events and "branching dilemmas". (Not sure what they mean by the latter, although I have a feeling they'll be a little like event chains in Stellaris.)
Perhaps most intriguing of all, however, is the mention of "a significant late-game challenge" and "the final, Ultimate victory condition". Given
Thrones of Britannia covers events in the Isles from approximately 878 to 1066, one almost has to assume the late-game challenge is William's Normans, Harald's Vikings, or (more probably) both. Sound like fun!! :bd:
Nice updates...looking good...
Looking good? Cinematic trailer, no gameplay? And you think it will be a good game?
Anyway TW experience don't vary much anyway. I'll probably buy this when on sale.
Need to view all this on a real PC, not a phone...thanks for posting Martok!
That's not the Alfred I know from, "The Last Kingdom". But he still might be good enough to get my money.
Quote from: jomni on January 05, 2018, 07:53:35 AM
Looking good? Cinematic trailer, no gameplay? And you think it will be a good game?
A fair point. In fact, I'm more looking forward to gameplay footage than anything else, especially since it's the campaign side of the game that has me particularly interested.
It was still nice to see an actual glimpse of the game, though -- even if Alfred is portrayed as being way more "manly" than he probably was in real life. (Yes,
Sir Slash, I had that thought as well.) ::)
My kingdom for a release date!
Quote from: jomni on January 05, 2018, 07:53:35 AM
Looking good? Cinematic trailer, no gameplay? And you think it will be a good game?
Anyway TW experience don't vary much anyway. I'll probably buy this when on sale.
Yeah, I mean aren't we all pretty familiar with what you're getting with any TW game at this point? Only a matter of where it falls on the AI spectrum: Empire or Shogun 2
Quote from: Gusington on January 05, 2018, 10:21:04 PM
My kingdom for a release date!
Quote from: Steam
Available: 2018 (http://store.steampowered.com/app/712100/Total_War_Saga_Thrones_of_Britannia/)
Not sure whether to look forward to this.
Quote from: Gusington on January 05, 2018, 10:21:04 PM
My kingdom for a release date!
I suspect it's coming out in April or May. If that proves to be wrong, however, then we'll know it won't be released til autumn.
Hoping for April or May 👍 - what makes you think that?
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 05, 2018, 10:38:48 AM
That's not the Alfred I know from, "The Last Kingdom". But he still might be good enough to get my money.
;)
The TW cinematics are always pretty ridiculous aren't they?
Alfred the Great was, by accounts, a sickly and scrawny, but smart, bookish type. Then you see that TW cinematic.. :DD
Quote from: Nefaro on January 06, 2018, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 05, 2018, 10:38:48 AM
That's not the Alfred I know from, "The Last Kingdom". But he still might be good enough to get my money.
;)
The TW cinematics are always pretty ridiculous aren't they?
Alfred the Great was, by accounts, a sickly and scrawny, but smart, bookish type. Then you see that TW cinematic.. :DD
No kidding. I didn't see shield walls either.
Quote from: Gusington on January 06, 2018, 09:37:27 AM
Hoping for April or May 👍 - what makes you think that?
1.) CA nearly always does a mid-spring or late autumn release.
2.) It's a smaller title (as opposed to the Warhammer series or the next major "Eras" historical title), being worked on by a smaller team.
2a.) Jack Lusted has dropped subtle hints that due to the above, the game is likely (though not guaranteed) to be out sooner rather than later.
3.) The game was announced back in November (including the initial trailer). And for a "smaller" title like Thrones of Britannia, it would especially make sense for CA to wait til closer to its intended release date before making said announcement. (For a larger game, like Warhammer or the next major historical title, they could probably get away with a lead time of a year or so.) While the timing of the initial announcement and teaser trailer obviously isn't always the greatest predictor of a Total War title's release date, there's still usually a fairly strong correlation between the two.
Quote from: CJReich46 on January 06, 2018, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on January 06, 2018, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 05, 2018, 10:38:48 AM
That's not the Alfred I know from, "The Last Kingdom". But he still might be good enough to get my money.
;)
The TW cinematics are always pretty ridiculous aren't they?
Alfred the Great was, by accounts, a sickly and scrawny, but smart, bookish type. Then you see that TW cinematic.. :DD
No kidding. I didn't see shield walls either.
I noticed the lack of shieldwall action immediately. As I said when I posted the trailer, however, it sounds like the shieldwall was left out because CA thought the sword combat would draw more of a crowd (so to speak), and that we'll see shieldwall combat in later gameplay videos. Not sure I agree with the logic, but then I'm not in marketing (thank the gods).
^Wow man...you've really thought this out.
Quote from: Gusington on January 07, 2018, 12:48:32 PM
^Wow man...you've really thought this out.
Heh, thanks. It would probably be more accurate, however, to say I automatically "intuited" that conclusion, and only afterwards came up with the rational(?) explanation for how I reached it. It's something I seem to do on a fairly regular basis.
You think a lot.
One of my many vices. It's probably one of the reasons I fit in so well here. :P
What on earth do you mean?
^-^
Thinking is highly overrated.
True. At least I think it is. No Shieldwall-- No excuse. They had it way back in Barbarian Invasion. The next thing you know there won't be any Unicorns in this game either.
Clearly they're saving the shield wall for the unicorns.
Unicorns would make an excellent Shieldwall. They're so cute who could whack their way through them? I honestly can't see a lot different at this point with this campaign than what's already out with Age of Charlemagne-- the Danish factions. Other than maybe a larger campaign map and some different units? Maybe Ragnor Lothbrook and Floki will be included.
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 08, 2018, 10:49:07 AM
I honestly can't see a lot different at this point with this campaign than what's already out with Age of Charlemagne-- the Danish factions. Other than maybe a larger campaign map and some different units? Maybe Ragnor Lothbrook and Floki will be included.
Aside from the larger focus on the British Isles, it's been stated we're also going to see stronger/deeper narrative elements affecting the campaign decisions, event chains, etc. There's also the victory goals unique to each faction, which I really like.
It sounds like in general, the game will be about experiencing the story of your people (whichever faction you're playing as), even more so than in past TW titles. I'm sure a lot of folks couldn't care less about that, but it's something I personally find highly appealing.
Story means "on rails" and less "Sandbox". Is it a good thing?
But maybe CA made that way so that you don't get stuck with the title and purchase the next iteration.
^You don't know that until, and if, you buy the game.
I'm not opposed to something that's closer to a blend of CK2 and TW. I'm not sure I want the whole series to go that way, but I'm wiling to give it a try.
I've been pleasantly surprised by the different types of Victory Conditions for the different factions in Warhammer TW. For the first time I can remember, it's not all about conquering the whole map or capturing certain regions... sometimes. Being able to win the game without 'X' number of regions or before year whatever is a nice change. Maybe this is what they're thinking here.
Quote from: Toonces on January 09, 2018, 10:26:23 AM
I'm not opposed to something that's closer to a blend of CK2 and TW. I'm not sure I want the whole series to go that way, but I'm wiling to give it a try.
I'd like to see such a blend succeed.
I just doubt that CA can achieve mixing in an enjoyable semblance of a CK style historical campaign. Not without a change in their creative direction department. They've attempted to add more of it, in Rome 2, Attila, and their latest historical off-shoot, but those features just fall flat. They've been uninteresting at best, and an annoyance the rest of the time. :-\
Starting to think they should just give up on their dreams of adding engaging dynastic and role-playing facets to the historical TW series. TW:Warhammer has some interesting rpg-style character development in it, but it's highly fantastic and focused only on individual leaders without any dynastic CK-style development. Whomever's designing the historical TWs doesn't appear interested in adapting those concepts anyway.
A new blog revealing the unit rosters for West Seaxe and Mierce:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/anglo-saxon-unit-rosters
As anticipated, their OOB is dominated by sword, axe, & spear infantry, with only a few missile and cavalry units available to them. (Jack Lusted confirmed that the General's Bodyguard units and Royal Thegns/Huscarls are infantry.) Perhaps not terribly exciting per se, but pleasing to those of us who want to see at least a little historical authenticity.
Also interesting is the blog confirms that -- contrary to what some were expecting -- Wessex and Mercia will be the only two playable Anglo-Saxon factions. This has opened up speculation that more Gaelic/Celtic factions are going to be playable, a prospect that personally would please me greatly.
Interesting that they have Javelinmen listed as a unit type. I personally wish they were a little original and allowed you to upgrade or specialise units rather than trying to cookie cutter separate the men of this era into units with exactly the same standardised weapon. It does not fit the era. Men should have a variety of weapons and the unit could be upgraded so that some men were carrying javelins. This way it would be about the men of "cornwall" unit being tough and trained or upgraded enough to beat the enemy. Rather than playing rock paper scissors with whole units. Heck they could even show the integrity of the shield wall once formed as different hightlighted colours that take into account each units upgraded or experience values.
Looking forward to the Celtic faction reveal :)
Pre-order available and release date is April 19th: Total War Saga: Thrones of Britannia (http://store.steampowered.com/app/712100/Total_War_Saga_Thrones_of_Britannia/)
I have been looking for a release date for this for weeks! Thank you.
Martok was correct in his prediction 😎
Don't know if you guys have seen this yet, replete with Jack Lusted'd ascot O0
I have a 12 reason minimum for excitement. I'm not a young man anymore.
Me too. When I get past 8 I have to stop and take a nap.
I thought I didn't want this game but I was horribly mistaken. This is a must have hands down.
I can't wait...I am slowly falling in love with Warhammer but I need that new TW historical fix.
Is this a fully featured TW game or what? The title suggests otherwise?
Like every AGEOD game,
I must purchase every total war game.
Quote from: Yskonyn on February 03, 2018, 06:40:49 AM
Is this a fully featured TW game or what? The title suggests otherwise?
Yeah the title seems to suggest something else however from the looks of the video it seems to be a standalone fully featured game.
Yes standalone, fully featured but smaller area of concentration - British Isles and part of northwest France. Also a timeline of 878 to 1066, but the campaign can go on forever if you want it to...there is no hard stop.
Was 30% interested. As in I get all TW games, but loose interest quickly due lack of depth and battles that can become dully repetitive.
But that 11 reasons vid makes it look like there going a bit more depth route. :bd:
Damn...
Another one wishlisted.
My work is done here :) You're welcome, CA.
I don't like the arty unit cards. I don't mind the shiny metal look in the story intro though.
This reviewer liked the unit cards art style in both Rome2 and this new game. I did not. Difference of opinion here. I like my unit cards to reflect what I see on the actual battlefield.
I noticed that unlike what I had hoped. They have in the unit rosters gone for the same old. sword infantry, spear infantry, axe infantry etc. I was hoping for a more customised unit composition with mixed composition and mixed effectiveness in combat. As always, for the less well organised and regulated troops of periods like this, homogenous infantry units would be rarer and so would perfectly uniform training and even whether the unit stayed together when disbanded or raised again. In addition to this, I bet a shield wall consists of one unit only instead of the whole army being able to stand in a continuous line. I am also betting their are no mechanics for the player to manipulate and "play" the shield wall.
I was kinda hoping to be able to decorate particular people that I physically see breaking through a weak point in a shield wall, created by a giant push I initiated somewhere in the line.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4631/26195806438_21b124f84e_b.jpg)
I notice the colour schemes of armies are limited so that each side can be identified. But armies of this era were not generally like that. So in total war when I see the yellow guys attack the red guys. I don't know what time period they think they are in. Perhaps ww2?
I do like the way the tech tree forces you to learn by playing the game and experiencing the thing you want to research before you can become better at it. For instance the more you carry out sieges the easier it is to research sieges apparently.
I like the new way units are raised. That they are actually on the map while they muster. I think it would be silly though if their was no way to choose a muster point for them so that the understregth unit is not forced to join the army with hardly any men.
I like the fact that their appears (not sure) to be no real army limit now. Allowing you to properly manage how your forces are deployed.
I like that armies have to carry supply with them and can run out of food outside their own lines. This if it is done well will be amazing and something I have wanted for a long time.
Not sure about the shield walls and how they look. They look like they have purposely been left open.
I like that agents are gone. This will finally hopefully stop the bullshit agent spam.
All in all. I like it as far as total war games go. I do hope their is a way to win without being an ass. Rather like king arthur would have been in his "legendary" form.
I am partial to the norse. But I would also love to see the saxons\Britons win.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4630/39358626544_1fe4a70f0b_b.jpg)
I don't like the units cards either and hope they'll be modded into something prettier. And I'll miss the agents though they were kind of lame in Age of Charlemagne.
I also have not seen any screenshots of battles that are zoomed to show the full army at any angle thus far. Maybe I should go through the video again and try to see if the black ants are gone.
I haven't really liked unit cards since Shogun 2, that is, until the Warhammer games.
Quote from: Gusington on February 04, 2018, 02:09:27 PM
I haven't really liked unit cards since Shogun 2, that is, until the Warhammer games.
I liked the Shogun Unit cards. I don't mind the art style for this one.
Alas, this will wait until I get a new PC and it comes out right after my birthday!!!!
but it costs nothing to wishlist.
Wishlisted.
It will be worth the wait. I just started playing this and it came out about 18 months ago, mostly because I knew nothing about Warhammer.
A video that really brings home why it does not pay to have specialised spear and swordsmen in separate groups.
The reality is that you would probably put heavier protection in the front line, but everybody would start with spears, especially against armour. Then swords on the lesser protected opponents.
Wait. There are war hounds that you can command to move around the battlefield?
Yes, controlled by boxes of Britannic Milk Bones.
Can you set them on fire before turning them loose amongst your foes?
...y'know, for legacy purposes. >:D
Quote from: jomni on February 06, 2018, 07:23:24 AM
Wait. There are war hounds that you can command to move around the battlefield?
Saw that. That sucks, but at least there be mods culling them probably on day 1
Flaming Pigs! We need Flaming Pigs! Maybe with Warhounds chasing them.
Hmm. I'm not sure it was realistically possible to control large regions in this time WITHOUT being an a-hole. Lol
Depends what you mean by A-hole. I get the impression the Britons\King Alfred at least in legends seemed to be well loved by his subjects.
It could be worse.
It could be Germanic spearmen
Quote from: Hofstadter on February 08, 2018, 08:38:18 PM
It could be worse.
It could be Germanic spearmen
Varus would certainly agree with that.
Damn! Which English soccer team is that? ;D
Irish...The Mighty Mides.
Looks like a 'Wale' of a story. O0
O0
Quote from: Gusington on February 23, 2018, 08:26:05 PM
Have some Mide.
King Lemmy!
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrogheads.com%2Fforums%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D20950.0%3Battach%3D12560%3Bimage&hash=fac59f0a41bfe50423f9bbd6a1f0191c599c4941)
Ha I didn't think that until you posted it - now I can't unsee it.
Man this is going to be a great game!
I apologize for posting that above YouTube link...boring as hell!! There are other YouTube previews floating around that are much better.
Release delayed by two weeks, until May 3:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/03/21/a-total-war-saga-thrones-of-britannia-delayed/#more-528603
Quote from: Gusington on March 21, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
Release delayed by two weeks, until May 3:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/03/21/a-total-war-saga-thrones-of-britannia-delayed/#more-528603
Ruh Roh.
Hope they get things fixed for release. No matter how long it needs to be extended.
CA are saying it's for 'improvements' but...well...you know.
Quote from: Gusington on March 21, 2018, 12:58:22 PM
CA are saying it's for 'improvements' but...well...you know.
I know they're not taking the time to add more to it.
Because they would split it off into separate DLC. >:(
Now you're just being silly.
Ooh, I do like new things.
Yes, Horses refusing a charge is a major change in their behavior and long overdue. No more Suicide Horses. O0
I still have to actually watch that video.
The embargo on reviews has just lifted, so there's plenty of articles about now ahead of the game's release.
And Fanatical has it 20% off.
Waiting for my key to be delivered...like last week with BattleTech.
I'm going to wait for Grog opinions before I jump in. I understand they've taken all the Agents out of this one. What's the point of being King of Britain if I can't hire an Assassin to kill whoever I want? :tickedoff:
^Totally agree - not happy that agents are removed.
I'll be looking for that, "What's Gus Playing". O0
It will definitely be covered - but it will be a while.
My issue with this TW is the same as for Charlemagne: there were really no standing armies at the time. I wish they would implement a system where you quickly "raise" most of your forces for campaign but to do so drastically affects food production (or any production). That way the King of Mercia isn't hanging out with a full time army constantly
^Oriental Empires does that somewhat nicely.
Quote from: mikeck on April 30, 2018, 03:45:21 PM
My issue with this TW is the same as for Charlemagne: there were really no standing armies at the time. I wish they would implement a system where you quickly "raise" most of your forces for campaign but to do so drastically affects food production (or any production). That way the King of Mercia isn't hanging out with a full time army constantly
I like that idea. I read that in The Last Kingdom that the fyrd was raised but they would be released for the harvest.
Quote from: W8taminute on April 30, 2018, 05:09:49 PM
^Oriental Empires does that somewhat nicely.
+1 for shout out to Oriental Empires! (not biased at all)
On Total War: Does anybody know you you can sail the rivers with your armies? I think this was a fairly big deal at the time.
I'd quite like this - but I get soooooooooo little time invested from the Total War games. I definitely run a negative play time to cost ratio.
I think I've got about 10 hours or something on the Warhammer one which has been lorded as being the best in the series by many.
Quote from: Surtur on May 01, 2018, 02:57:09 AM
Quote from: W8taminute on April 30, 2018, 05:09:49 PM
^Oriental Empires does that somewhat nicely.
+1 for shout out to Oriental Empires! (not biased at all)
On Total War: Does anybody know you you can sail the rivers with your armies? I think this was a fairly big deal at the time.
Only one or or two major rivers are represented afaik, an even then it's more that they've extended the ocean inland a bit to allow ships to reach places like London. It's not an official thing, sadly.
Quote from: mikeck on April 30, 2018, 03:45:21 PM
My issue with this TW is the same as for Charlemagne: there were really no standing armies at the time. I wish they would implement a system where you quickly "raise" most of your forces for campaign but to do so drastically affects food production (or any production). That way the King of Mercia isn't hanging out with a full time army constantly
To be fair, the two Saxon factions have a 'Fyrd' mechanic where you're only allowed to raise so many levy troops. Starts off at like 20. Go over this limit and your economy starts to suffer. That limit can be raised or lowered by events, and by the number of map nodes you control. It was never really an issue for me though.
I just preordered it.
I LOVE my total wars. Shameless fanboy so....pfft
Me too. No shame in that here. Still waiting for my code.
Quote from: Surtur on May 01, 2018, 02:57:09 AM
Quote from: W8taminute on April 30, 2018, 05:09:49 PM
^Oriental Empires does that somewhat nicely.
+1 for shout out to Oriental Empires! (not biased at all)
On Total War: Does anybody know you you can sail the rivers with your armies? I think this was a fairly big deal at the time.
:) Yes great game!
One thing I enjoy about Oriental Empires is the battles take place directly on the main map. Although the player has no direct control during the battle one must pay attention to the group composition, move orders, and tactics prior to going in. Plus I love the fact that boats can be used to pepper land units with arrows.
I hope this game's great but I've been disappointed too many times by CA to be a day-one buyer. Probably after a patch or two and a sale along with Loin-moistening comments, I'll jump in.
Wuss.
I've been called much worse. :P I'm looking hard at the Attila Mod, "Ancient Empires" that takes it back to Rome/Carthage days and looks VERY nice. Not done yet though, I think an update's coming May 18th. Also there's a Medieval mod for Attila too.
Before I play Thrones of Britannia I need to play one more full campaign each of Rome 2, Attila and Shogun 2.
Nice to see preload available today....started mine. No idea if will be good or not, but always buy this series. Little surprised only 5.8GB, not sure worthy of a preload:)
Quote from: WargamerJoe on May 01, 2018, 03:34:23 AM
Only one or or two major rivers are represented afaik, an even then it's more that they've extended the ocean inland a bit to allow ships to reach places like London. It's not an official thing, sadly.
Thanks for the info Joe, it is a shame. I think I will wait a little
Time for Gus to throw the 'Wuss' word out again.
I didn't get my code yet...😓
You don't get the code until your check and first born child arrive at CA HQ.
I sent them both in February 2.
Faintly, across the ocean, solitary wet noises, emerge from the depths of Melbourne's east.
Money in hand: reading the Steam reviews. Not useful.
"The AI is terrible"
"The AI is amazing"
"Worst Total war game ever"
"Best total war game ever"
"Cut down version of Attila with no trade and dumb diplomacy".
"Great game"
I'll wait to hear what you guys think before I pull the trigger.
Ive only played one faction so far, its pretty enjoyable. Politics is a hell of a lot more invested in this. Starting as gwynid youre subordinates have low loyalty and high influence, so its a nasty balancing act there. Campaign AI seems ok so far, theres a mercia powerhouse to my east, so I had to break alliance with my welsh friends in order to not get steamrolled since they had a full stack near me.
Technology is...interesting, I am not sure how I feel about the initial unlocking, but its a nice change of pace.
Battle AI was a little tarded in a siege, they didnt consolidate with their garrison and I kinda just knocked em out one by one.
EDIT: Oh good god Im playing a "hard" faction on VH and i think ive hit steamroom mode, im on turn 23
I actually really appreciate that trade is automated. I mean, who doesn't want to make money? Just assume I want to trade with whoever will actually trade with me and be done with it.
TBH, the interactions with the AI via the diplomacy menu have always been the weakest part of every Total War game. I'd like to see them abstract or automate more of that away.
But yeah apart from to declare war, I've barely used the diplo interface in Thrones, and I honestly don't mind.
This is the first Total War game I have very little interest in playing. Also the first one I have not bought straight out of the gate. It looks exactly like Atilla to me, which is perhaps my least liked of the series.
Steamroom mode, Hof? :o
Im a lightweight drinker shaddap.
I just captured a town called Offa's Dic and I cant stop giggling
:2funny:
Quote from: Hofstadter on May 03, 2018, 06:34:47 AM
Im a lightweight drinker shaddap.
I just captured a town called Offa's Dic and I cant stop giggling
Offa does not find that the least bit funny. :o
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 01, 2018, 05:37:22 PM
Nice to see preload available today....started mine. No idea if will be good or not, but always buy this series. Little surprised only 5.8GB, not sure worthy of a preload:)
My Steam pre-loads always end up reloading most of the game on release day. Dunno why I bother.
Because of unbridled, full force gaming excitement!
I hope for Offa's sake they named the town that because it was big not small. Though the Diplomacy is pretty lame, I like deciding who to make offers to and who to tell to go pound sand. What's the point of being a King if you don't get to make the decisions? Also concerned about the Battle AI being mediocre.
Quote from: Hofstadter on May 03, 2018, 06:34:47 AM
I just captured a town called Offa's Dic and I cant stop giggling
Annd it's pronounced 'Dyke'.
...not much better.
That just makes it sound like im putting a hit out on Ellen DeGeneres
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 03, 2018, 06:02:42 AM
This is the first Total War game I have very little interest in playing. Also the first one I have not bought straight out of the gate. It looks exactly like Atilla to me, which is perhaps my least liked of the series.
Why didn't you like Attila? I don't really get into the warhammer but all the rest are Instabuys. This will be too. I'm surprised you don't have an interest in Saxon England. Not sure WHY I'm surprised but I am
Quote from: mikeck on May 03, 2018, 10:45:52 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 03, 2018, 06:02:42 AM
This is the first Total War game I have very little interest in playing. Also the first one I have not bought straight out of the gate. It looks exactly like Atilla to me, which is perhaps my least liked of the series.
Why didn't you like Attila? I don't really get into the warhammer but all the rest are Instabuys. This will be too. I'm surprised you don't have an interest in Saxon England. Not sure WHY I'm surprised but I am
The units just don't really interest me. Vikings are cool, but we've been there and done that. I much prefer the discipline and organization of the Roman era or the pageantry and power of the late Medieval period. A general lack of interest in the period and units combined with what I found to be an extremely difficult campaign is what kept me from enjoying Attila. I could never just get a good game going. It was always a constant struggle. I rarely felt as if I was making sustainable progress.
The whole Total War franchise has become very ho-hum for me. I stopped buying into it after the first Warhammer. If they made Medieval III, however, I might be tempted, but they really need to introduce some new jaw-dropping features to really hook me.
^You and your fancy wig hurt me.
Just loaded my copy up!
Ha! It's all natural.
So what happened to playing all your other campaigns first, young man?
Still going to do that once Field of Glory 2 has released me from its Iron Grip. The new TW game feels like a game for me to play in the autumn. Which is only a few months away, mind you.
That Field of Glory monkey can be a hard one to shake.
Autumn, is coming you say? Heresy!
Jarhead, completely agree about the diciplined units and such. Like I said before, the problem with the TW fames between 400-1300 is that, except for the Byzantines- no one had standing armies like those portrayed in TW. I would love a new MTW3 but the late age..1400-1500. I wish they would delve into the 1500-1700 era as well.
So many interesting techs and units
^Me too.
So we hear about loin moistening before release. And now we get these groaning after release.
My loins were never moistened.
We will know if it's a great game if Gus doesn't show up here all weekend. He's either on a Honeymoon to Britannia or else called-up to fight the Battle of the Bronx.
I actually have to refight the Battle of Brooklyn - I have a communion to attend tomorrow night there, which means leaving from my house 3 hours early to fight the Saturday traffic, the Cinco de Mayo traffic, the summerlike weather traffic, the Day that Ends in Y traffic...you get the idea. Few things stress me out more than driving in to the metro area with my family.
Uber
300.00 one way please. And there are very few Ubers in my county, if any.
This dude hits a lot of problems of the game quite well. As in, its SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
I mean I'll still play it, I enjoy the game, but theres a fair amount of annoying crap in it.
Oddly perhaps, I was tempted to buy it after watching his video. Even though he couldn't really recommend it, he did say if you want a slower TW game, then perhaps it's for you...and I kind of thought "mmmmm".
I also have an interest in the region too obviously, though not particularly the era.
I'm still holding off at the moment.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 05, 2018, 03:34:55 AM
Oddly perhaps, I was tempted to buy it after watching his video. Even though he couldn't really recommend it, he did say if you want a slower TW game, then perhaps it's for you...and I kind of thought "mmmmm".
I also have an interest in the region too obviously, though not particularly the era.
I'm still holding off at the moment.
I think its good. I also have an interest in the region but also the era.
Mainly due to this guy. The documentaries he produced were superlative examples of how to create amtosphere with very little.
They are 30 years old but still rank amongst the best things I have ever seen.
whole series of them - aint great quality on you tube but available elsewhere on DVD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AbHq1MuI4o
I think the Total War model now is perfect. Look, no matter what "thing" the devs add to total war, half hate it and half love it. People bitched mercilessly that battles were over too quickly. Now? It's that battles take too long. People complained that the region mechanic introduced in Rome 2 was an unnecessarily complex layer. So when the streamline it, the complaint is that it's simplistic. Total War is the game everyone loves to hate. The "Manchester United", "Dallas cowboys" or "Lebron James" of gaming
So what you have now is an extremely moddable game that allows players to adjust the length of battles, deadliness of a unit or complexity of the economy to their desires.
So a reviewer saying the game is too slow falls on deaf ears to me since I know there will be mods to speed it up.
So don't despair. As long as you enjoy the era and TW games in general, you will be able to make the game exactly what you want
Quote from: mikeck on May 06, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
I think the Total War model now is perfect. Look, no matter what "thing" the devs add to total war, half hate it and half love it. People bitched mercilessly that battles were over too quickly. Now? It's that battles take too long. People complained that the region mechanic introduced in Rome 2 was an unnecessarily complex layer. So when the streamline it, the complaint is that it's simplistic. Total War is the game everyone loves to hate. The "Manchester United", "Dallas cowboys" or "Lebron James" of gaming
So what you have now is an extremely moddable game that allows players to adjust the length of battles, deadliness of a unit or complexity of the economy to their desires.
So a reviewer saying the game is too slow falls on deaf ears to me since I know there will be mods to speed it up.
So don't despair. As long as you enjoy the era and TW games in general, you will be able to make the game exactly what you want
I thought one of his complaints was that it wasn't moddable in that Steam Workshop was not linked in the game or even supported?
The biggest complaint I've had about Total War for a long time, in general, is how most of the battles end up being siege battles or siege-related sortie battles. It wasn't like this in the two original TWs. After all the improvements over the years, they've continually screwed this up.
I'm hoping the placing of the outlying resource locations on the map will reduce the frequency of siege battles by giving more reason to actually fight field battles and defend territory. Instead of turtling up, along with the garrison bonus, the best option. I have doubts as to whether the TW AI will be able to handle the more complicated decisions to involved in defending economic locations, however. Will be waiting to see if it has improved in Britannia.
The amount of fokeen siege battles in my TW campaigns is what always makes me stop playing them. I love the TW series, but it has had this huge glaring wart for years. The siege battles suck balls, yet the game often devolves into armies hiding in cities when they don't have a big advantage.
Isn't that realistic?
Yeah I hated too many siege battles in Rome2. Even with nice things DEI mod did to the game, siege battles almost all the time turned me off.
Looks like with Brit open battles are more often.
Quote from: jomni on May 06, 2018, 08:12:21 PM
Isn't that realistic?
Historical sieges happening often? To an extent. Siege
battles happening constantly? Not so much. Yet that's what TW has devolved into.
Holing up in a fort and letting your enemy siege you was a last resort in the hopes that you could hold out until a reinforcing army showed up to help, or in the hope your sieging opponent sprouted some new & bigger problems to attend and left to deal with them. If nobody was coming to your rescue, or some major stroke of luck happened, the fortified group was often screwed.
That being said, my point to complaining about the overabundance of siege battles in TW is that large armies often voluntarily met head-to-head in the field in antiquity after some jockeying for ideal terrain.
The Total War series has disincentivized fighting field battles in their campaigns for a long time, and they haven't made much effort to change that until now. That appears to be a big part of the reason the change was made, anyway. I can't attest to how well the AI handles it, but I support any concerted effort to make field battles happen again (without the cheesy trial & error randomness of the "Ambush" mode).
Fall of the Samurai has fantastic sieges, replete with off shore bombardment...best TW sieges, always fun and exciting.
Quote from: Gusington on May 07, 2018, 08:42:06 PM
Fall of the Samurai has fantastic sieges, replete with off shore bombardment...best TW sieges, always fun and exciting.
Though Japanese sieges are like open battle too... walls can be scaled without equipment.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 06, 2018, 04:38:00 PM
Quote from: mikeck on May 06, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
I think the Total War model now is perfect. Look, no matter what "thing" the devs add to total war, half hate it and half love it. People bitched mercilessly that battles were over too quickly. Now? It's that battles take too long. People complained that the region mechanic introduced in Rome 2 was an unnecessarily complex layer. So when the streamline it, the complaint is that it's simplistic. Total War is the game everyone loves to hate. The "Manchester United", "Dallas cowboys" or "Lebron James" of gaming
So what you have now is an extremely moddable game that allows players to adjust the length of battles, deadliness of a unit or complexity of the economy to their desires.
So a reviewer saying the game is too slow falls on deaf ears to me since I know there will be mods to speed it up.
So don't despair. As long as you enjoy the era and TW games in general, you will be able to make the game exactly what you want
I thought one of his complaints was that it wasn't moddable in that Steam Workshop was not linked in the game or even supported?
Yes...that there isn't a steamworkshop for it yet. It hasn't been out a week yet. I've no reason to think that after a dozen TW games, this one is coded to prohibit modding
Quote from: mikeck on May 08, 2018, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 06, 2018, 04:38:00 PM
Quote from: mikeck on May 06, 2018, 02:23:17 PM
I think the Total War model now is perfect. Look, no matter what "thing" the devs add to total war, half hate it and half love it. People bitched mercilessly that battles were over too quickly. Now? It's that battles take too long. People complained that the region mechanic introduced in Rome 2 was an unnecessarily complex layer. So when the streamline it, the complaint is that it's simplistic. Total War is the game everyone loves to hate. The "Manchester United", "Dallas cowboys" or "Lebron James" of gaming
So what you have now is an extremely moddable game that allows players to adjust the length of battles, deadliness of a unit or complexity of the economy to their desires.
So a reviewer saying the game is too slow falls on deaf ears to me since I know there will be mods to speed it up.
So don't despair. As long as you enjoy the era and TW games in general, you will be able to make the game exactly what you want
I thought one of his complaints was that it wasn't moddable in that Steam Workshop was not linked in the game or even supported?
Yes...that there isn't a steamworkshop for it yet. It hasn't been out a week yet. I've no reason to think that after a dozen TW games, this one is coded to prohibit modding
Just saw that there is now a Steam Workshop for Thrones of Brittania...if the reviewer would have cooled his jets and let a week go by. Lol
heh
Quote from: Tpek on November 14, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is "Not again...".
What about China? India? The Ancient Middle-East/Levant? Africa for something completely original.
Why do they keep doing the exact same game over and over and over again. :(
I don't have a problem with the concept, but I agree that the Ancient Middle East/Levant would be awesome. AFAIK, the only thing out there at the moment is Slitherine's now very dated Chariots of War. There is still quite a lot of variation between the armies of the time, so no one should get bored.
Quote from: Boggit on May 08, 2018, 03:59:21 PM
Quote from: Tpek on November 14, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is "Not again...".
What about China? India? The Ancient Middle-East/Levant? Africa for something completely original.
Why do they keep doing the exact same game over and over and over again. :(
I don't have a problem with the concept, but I agree that the Ancient Middle East/Levant would be awesome. AFAIK, the only thing out there at the moment is Slitherine's now very dated Chariots of War. There is still quite a lot of variation between the armies of the time, so no one should get bored.
China is coming. Total War Three Kingdoms.
Quote from: jomni on May 08, 2018, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: Boggit on May 08, 2018, 03:59:21 PM
Quote from: Tpek on November 14, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
Sorry, but the only thing I have to say is "Not again...".
What about China? India? The Ancient Middle-East/Levant? Africa for something completely original.
Why do they keep doing the exact same game over and over and over again. :(
I don't have a problem with the concept, but I agree that the Ancient Middle East/Levant would be awesome. AFAIK, the only thing out there at the moment is Slitherine's now very dated Chariots of War. There is still quite a lot of variation between the armies of the time, so no one should get bored.
China is coming. Total War Three Kingdoms.
Wow! That will be good. Do I play the devious Cao Cao, the benevolent Liu Bei, or the honourable Sun Quan? 8) I hope they improve the strategic level to reflect the diplomatic shenanigans, betrayals etc.
If anyone is interested in the period there is a really entertaining film called Red Cliff directed by John Woo set in the period. O0
^I've had Red Cliff in my Netflix queue forever. Gotta get around to watching it.
Wouldn't the units during this period be even more a like than in Britannia?
Granted, I do love the region and period, but I'm having a blast with ToB. I am a TW fan overall, but the setup of the map makes for a decent game. Battles fought for those are essentially field battles with a few buildings thrown about, and they have to garrison, so the AI is much more likely to engage full stack vs full stack at these locations. I've put something like 30 hours into it since release, and has been my go to game as of late.
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 09, 2018, 09:03:58 AM
Wouldn't the units during this period be even more a like than in Britannia?
The funny thing about that is the "period" in Thrones of Britannia is what? About 200-300 years. Roughly the same for waring states or whatever for China, while the "Period" for
The Ancient Near East/Levant would be say 3500 BC to 500 BC or about 10 times the unit diversity. The earliest Armies would barely have enough crude shields and stone-tipped spears to go around and no chariots or cavalry. Later armies would get chariots and cavalry and composit bows and iron weapons and good armor etc. etc. And the Assyrians would be the top force to emulate. or the Persians or the Hittites or maybe the Babylonians. Maybe. I said "maybe"...the Babylonians.
Couldn't hold off anymore :'(
:2funny:
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 09, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
Couldn't hold off anymore :'(
Was there ever any doubt:)
I thought there was :-\
:2funny: :2funny:
Quote from: MengJiao on May 09, 2018, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 09, 2018, 09:03:58 AM
Wouldn't the units during this period be even more a like than in Britannia?
The funny thing about that is the "period" in Thrones of Britannia is what? About 200-300 years. Roughly the same for waring states or whatever for China, while the "Period" for
The Ancient Near East/Levant would be say 3500 BC to 500 BC or about 10 times the unit diversity. The earliest Armies would barely have enough crude shields and stone-tipped spears to go around and no chariots or cavalry. Later armies would get chariots and cavalry and composit bows and iron weapons and good armor etc. etc. And the Assyrians would be the top force to emulate. or the Persians or the Hittites or maybe the Babylonians. Maybe. I said "maybe"...the Babylonians.
Three Kingdoms is set around 200 AD. Set in the crumbling Han dynasty, so everyone would have Han dynasty tech. But take note, the best TW in my books is Shogun 2. Somehow they get it right when factions are mostly homogenous. I'm speculating that they'll put in some fantasy stuff to make it appealing.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 09, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
Couldn't hold off anymore :'(
Same with me. Was going to hold off for quite a while, but finally gave in. Bought it through Fanatical and saved $10 off the Steam price.
Still holding off...
Shogun 2 is also my favorite.
Completed a campaign at strat clut, about halfway through a Mides campaign.
Literally nobody has declared war on me on VH. What the actual hell?
Still holding off... but it's getting hard.
TEEHEE
I wish they would make a World War 2 version!
;D
Quote from: mikeck on May 12, 2018, 10:15:00 PM
I wish they would make a World War 2 version!
;D
Nef does too! :crazy2:
Or Warhammer 4K. You can't have too many Warhammer games.
How about a "Grogheads Total War"? With Bob as a Ninja Assassin and Gus King of Flanders? Ned Flanders I mean. :2funny:
Quote from: Tuna on May 13, 2018, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: mikeck on May 12, 2018, 10:15:00 PM
I wish they would make a World War 2 version!
;D
Nef does too! :crazy2:
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How is it not fired up yet? Still engrossed in Battletech which i love.
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 13, 2018, 10:45:10 PM
How about a "Grogheads Total War"? With Bob as a Ninja Assassin and Gus King of Flanders? Ned Flanders I mean. :2funny:
But what period would you set it in? Obviously some of us go a ways back, but it'd be a stretch to go much before the Crimean War and still be historically accurate.
A lot of us were praying for a Victoria Total War, 1837-1901, for a while...still praying, Father.
Quote from: Gusington on May 14, 2018, 07:51:32 PM
A lot of us were praying for a Victoria Total War, 1837-1901, for a while...still praying, Father.
O0
One day...one day. I was so happy that Fall of the Samurai was just set in that era! Still probably my favorite TW game of all time. A Victoria: TW built out like Fall of the Samurai would be...unspeakably fantastic.
Quote from: Gusington on May 14, 2018, 09:10:01 PM
One day...one day. I was so happy that Fall of the Samurai was just set in that era! Still probably my favorite TW game of all time. A Victoria: TW built out like Fall of the Samurai would be...unspeakably fantastic.
That would be cool. Building blocks are there already.
Grogheads Total War could only be set in an alternative universe where aliens used the Front Page of Mystery as a portal to invade so no one would ever see them coming and after conquering Earth, would force everyone to speak only in pun-form. My favorite unit would be the, Elephant-Mounted Dongles.
That's my favorite unit!
Those shields...saliva-inducing.
^It doesn't take much to get you frothing at the mouth.
Quote from: Gusington on May 25, 2018, 10:17:38 AM
Those shields...saliva-inducing.
Lots of variety. The art work in Thrones is pretty good and the streamlined system is very nice.
It's warm out so I am frothing more than a typical Friday.
Those shields look modded, and I mean that in the best way.
Quote from: Gusington on May 25, 2018, 01:38:52 PM
It's warm out so I am frothing more than a typical Friday.
Those shields look modded, and I mean that in the best way.
That's vanilla, Gwenedd versus Northhumbria. I got the mod for more variety, but no good screenshots from that yet.
Quote from: MengJiao on May 25, 2018, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Gusington on May 25, 2018, 01:38:52 PM
It's warm out so I am frothing more than a typical Friday.
Those shields look modded, and I mean that in the best way.
That's vanilla, Gwined versus Northhumbria. I got the mod for more variety, but no good screenshots from that yet.
Gwined, right?
Quote from: bbmike on May 14, 2018, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: Gusington on May 14, 2018, 07:51:32 PM
A lot of us were praying for a Victoria Total War, 1837-1901, for a while...still praying, Father.
O0
+1 O0
Quote from: MengJiao on May 25, 2018, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Gusington on May 25, 2018, 01:38:52 PM
It's warm out so I am frothing more than a typical Friday.
Those shields look modded, and I mean that in the best way.
That's vanilla, Gwenedd versus Northhumbria. I got the mod for more variety, but no good screenshots from that yet.
Now with variety mod -- Northhumbria beats some small-time vikings -- lots of advice, a big axe and plenty of hats and hairstyles:
Nice.
Quote from: Gusington on May 29, 2018, 08:20:42 AM
Nice.
One good thing about the Viking-influenced Anglo-Saxon armies (though Northhumbria actually had a significant Old North British Component in reality all along as well), is that the commanders get big dismounted units, which I think work much better than the small mounted command units that Gwined and Strathclyle get. You can see the command unit as a block of men in gray fur at the top center background. They came through the whole battle with 75 men and inflicted some critical attacks. Try that with a Old British-style mounted command unit!
Not sure who I want to play as first...I am always drawn to the Welsh but they are always marked as a hard faction to play as.
Quote from: Gusington on May 29, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Not sure who I want to play as first...I am always drawn to the Welsh but they are always marked as a hard faction to play as.
I played both Gwined and Strathclyde on Easy easy and they were pretty hard. Fortunately on defense, their archers do well and eventually most battles went: a) set up spears and archers on a hill, dismounted Commander and swords and axes in the center, all the horse go harass the enemy. On the attack, they did not do so well.
Northhumbria is politically tricky (the Viking Army and the English Gentry), but I think even on Normal Normal they are easier to survive with than the Welsh as long as you kill off the revolts very quickly.
Still difficult on easy/easy? Crap.
Quote from: Gusington on May 29, 2018, 01:21:06 PM
Still difficult on easy/easy? Crap.
Gwined was the first faction I played. All kinds of nautical and viking raid disasters happened. Strathclyde was easier on easy/easy and once I got watermills going and defeated some neighbors to the south, things went okay. Best of all, tech was taking only 3 turns to get researched and once you have enough food (watermills help) you can build up armies pretty fast
Hmm maybe I will try them. Have you won a campaign?
Quote from: Gusington on May 29, 2018, 07:59:54 PM
Hmm maybe I will try them. Have you won a campaign?
I got to a Short Victory as Normal Strathclyde (having played easy/easy before gotten that far). The name of the Kingdom Changes to Yr Hen Ogledd (the Old North? Men of the North being the doomed happy crew commemorated in Anerin's Gododdin poem riding down to disaster at Catreth in the late 6th century and traditionally the earliest mention of King Arthur)..."Hen" is old as in "Coel Hen" (Old King Cole who was a merry old soul as the nursery rhyme says). At the moment I'm trying to do the same for Northhumbria but the required victory for them seems a bit more complex.
I won Strat clut kingdom victory on VH. Your biggest difficulty is taking out the main southern armies. Once that's done it's steamroll
I am contractually obligated to earn only short victories.
Quote from: Gusington on May 30, 2018, 06:59:07 AM
I am contractually obligated to earn only short victories.
I had been losing interest after getting a short (fame) victory BUT apparently if you win the BIG victory you get invaded. So I'm taking the Normal Wessexians on the long haul and hoping to defeat the Norman Conquest (well it would be the Norman Non-Conquest if I beat them). If you take say Normal Strathclyde you have to defeat a big Danish invasion if you win the Big Victory and so on.
Quote from: Hofstadter on May 29, 2018, 11:28:43 PM
I won Strat clut kingdom victory on VH. Your biggest difficulty is taking out the main southern armies. Once that's done it's steamroll
That sounds very hard!
Invaded a la Realm Divide in Shogun 2?
Quote from: Gusington on May 30, 2018, 08:15:47 AM
Invaded a la Realm Divide in Shogun 2?
it must be kinda horrible. Nobody talks about it much. As Wessex, I get to face the morale equivalent of William the Conquerer as the Morale equivalent of Harold Wodenson (PS -- or better Godwinson, I think -- must look this up) with the Housekarls and Fyrd and whatnot versus every cutthroat adventurer and mercenary, Warrior Bishop (yes, I'm looking at you Odo) and Papal Banner Enthusiast in NW Europe.
That actually does sound kind of awesome...to me anyway. And I say that as someone who was a hair's breadth away from winning a game of Fall of the Samurai when Realm Divide destroyed my empire :/
just submitted my request for a refund even though I've got 3 hours clocked and bought the game over 14 days ago. let's see what they say.
Quote from: W8taminute on May 30, 2018, 08:28:54 PM
just submitted my request for a refund even though I've got 3 hours clocked and bought the game over 14 days ago. let's see what they say.
Good luck. I tried it once with a game in which I had 4 hours in and was one day past the time limit. Got shot down. But good luck anyway!
Why the refund request?
Quote from: MengJiao on May 30, 2018, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: Gusington on May 30, 2018, 08:15:47 AM
Invaded a la Realm Divide in Shogun 2?
it must be kinda horrible. Nobody talks about it much. As Wessex, I get to face the morale equivalent of William the Conquerer as the Morale equivalent of Harold Wodenson (PS -- or better Godwinson, I think -- must look this up) with the Housekarls and Fyrd and whatnot versus every cutthroat adventurer and mercenary, Warrior Bishop (yes, I'm looking at you Odo) and Papal Banner Enthusiast in NW Europe.
The Good, the Bad and the Bearded: Wessex and the Fyrd get rolling against some other Anglo-Saxons:
That guy left of center is me at the end of every work day.
Quote from: Gusington on May 31, 2018, 05:18:46 PM
That guy left of center is me at the end of every work day.
Nobody in the mob seems to be sure why that guy is so excited. My theory is he is screaming: "I want a shield with a boss! Even a six peg boss!"
^I understand.
My theory is the guy behind him isn't watching where he's pointing his spear. I've been there.
Quote from: W8taminute on May 30, 2018, 08:28:54 PM
just submitted my request for a refund even though I've got 3 hours clocked and bought the game over 14 days ago. let's see what they say.
What was the issue for you?
Quote from: Sir Slash on May 31, 2018, 06:59:38 PM
My theory is the guy behind him isn't watching where he's pointing his spear. I've been there.
Good point. There are other peculiarities...a missing arm on the right-most man (caused by the nearness of the camera). But maybe he is concerned about the effects of the diversification mod as the Viking with the black shield may be. Perhaps he is worried about suddenly getting one of those poorly applied black beard disguises such as the man on his right seems to have:
There sure are a lot of blond guys with identical beards in ancient Britain. Somebody's Daddy was VERY active.
Quote from: Sir Slash on June 01, 2018, 11:27:44 AM
There sure are a lot of blond guys with identical beards in ancient Britain. Somebody's Daddy was VERY active.
Supposedly I'm running a mod that creates more than the standard 3 appearances per formation. i think I see four in that image: basic Viking with forked beard, worried viking with black shield and mohawk, guy with slapped on fake black beard, guys with mustaches and pony tails. But I'm not sure what counts as "different" since they all have the same fur suits. I'm also running a mod to bring longbows to Wessex, but I haven't seen those yet either.
Quote from: Rayfer on May 30, 2018, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: W8taminute on May 30, 2018, 08:28:54 PM
just submitted my request for a refund even though I've got 3 hours clocked and bought the game over 14 days ago. let's see what they say.
Good luck. I tried it once with a game in which I had 4 hours in and was one day past the time limit. Got shot down. But good luck anyway!
I got shot down because I exceeded the 14 day return window. Not surprised but thought I'd give it a try.
Quote from: mikeck on May 31, 2018, 08:01:16 PM
Quote from: W8taminute on May 30, 2018, 08:28:54 PM
just submitted my request for a refund even though I've got 3 hours clocked and bought the game over 14 days ago. let's see what they say.
What was the issue for you?
They game didn't excite me the way the pre-release 'let's plays' on YouTube portrayed the game. I can't really put my finger on why I was bored to tears with the game. Now that I can't return it I'll probably put some time into it just to see if it grows on me. All I can say is that I'm bored with the gameplay mechanics of the TW series enough to consider taking off the upcoming China game off my wishlist which is a shame.
Fighting in Devon. Wessex has the short victory. Now I guess its time to build up for holding off the Normans:
Dark shot, there
Quote from: MengJiao on May 31, 2018, 03:23:55 PM
Quote from: MengJiao on May 30, 2018, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: Gusington on May 30, 2018, 08:15:47 AM
Invaded a la Realm Divide in Shogun 2?
it must be kinda horrible. Nobody talks about it much. As Wessex, I get to face the morale equivalent of William the Conquerer as the Morale equivalent of Harold Wodenson (PS -- or better Godwinson, I think -- must look this up) with the Housekarls and Fyrd and whatnot versus every cutthroat adventurer and mercenary, Warrior Bishop (yes, I'm looking at you Odo) and Papal Banner Enthusiast in NW Europe.
The Good, the Bad and the Bearded: Wessex and the Fyrd get rolling against some other Anglo-Saxons:
Why do they all look like Freddy Mercury!
Quote from: joram on June 07, 2018, 07:25:31 AM
Why do they all look like Freddy Mercury!
Because they are the Champions, my friend.
Quote from: Gusington on June 07, 2018, 06:52:39 AM
Dark shot, there
Things get rough when Wessex gets rolling. And then the Normans crush them. I guess. Eventually. Cuz their Kingdom is soooooo....Cool!
A bit off topic - finally got my Nabatea campaign going, took Jerusalem from the Seleucids and BAM - they and their allies are whomping me to kingdom come. I may be eliminated from the campaign tonight after about 35 turns. It was labeled as 'hard' so I was pre warned but still...ouch
Nobody loves Nabatea. :'(
I'm actually a little afraid to go and complete the Nabatea campaign, I know I am about to get squashed in to oblivion.
>:(...done in 30 turns. Started another campaign as the Kush.
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/931563623910597650/3A1821129FBA749BF9E3C10453938881F1FE5407/)
Better luck next time. Everybody needs a 'warm-up' campaign ass whipping with this game.
I am hoping the Kush are treated less harshly. I guess 'hard' really does mean 'hard.'
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/thrones-of-britannia-allegiance-update-beta
Blog post regarding the first major update to Britannia.
Oh man! Wet Mercians smell worse than wet Mercian Wardogs.
Are the TW games still using embedded spyware or has CA issued a patch to remove them? Haven't played a TW game in a while and I'm itching to play but reluctant ever since I read about the data mining associated with the latest TW games.
Last I read was that CA removed the spyware, about a month ago.
Good to know. Maybe I should dust off Britannia and give it another whirl?
I still have to dust it off and give it it's first whirl :/
Britannia didn't really seem to make much of an impact with an audience since it's launch, which saddens me.
Cos everybody is waiting for the blood patch. Like every second thread in the steam forum is about it.
I usually do not use the blood patches, except for the Warhammer games. What's the holdup here?
Quote from: Gusington on August 16, 2018, 09:48:43 AM
I usually do not use the blood patches, except for the Warhammer games. What's the holdup here?
I'm bad about blood patches. I never use them BUT wow! The blood in Post Scriptum is the bloodiest I've seen (maybe the only blood-patch-like blood that I've seen) -- splattered on walls, all over the roof etc.
Ugh that right there is why I don't use them.
Does anyone here (like MengJiao or Destraex) know how to turn off the unit markers in battles ? They really get in the way of taking panoramic screenshots.
You used to be able to nuke this kind of thing by messing around with an ini file, but I haven't managed to find it yet.
Is there a magic word I need to use to make these things disappear ?
(I'm talking about the little round symbols floating in the air above the units -- there's a slider in options for making them smaller, but I haven't been able to figure out how to make them go away).
Quote from: Philippe on August 19, 2018, 03:47:04 PM
Does anyone here (like MengJiao or Destraex) know how to turn off the unit markers in battles ? They really get in the way of taking panoramic screenshots.
You used to be able to nuke this kind of thing by messing around with an ini file, but I haven't managed to find it yet.
Is there a magic word I need to use to make these things disappear ?
(I'm talking about the little round symbols floating in the air above the units -- there's a slider in options for making them smaller, but I haven't been able to figure out how to make them go away).
When you are in a battle, press the SPACEBAR and a special menu will display allowing you to change UI settings, which you can then determine what you want to see. These will then become your defaults.
Thanks!
That was the magic word I was looking for.
Blood pack and Allegiance Update on the 29th
^Saw that but couldn't find a price on the pack...must be 2.99 or similar.
The "Blood, Sweat and Spears" DLC is showing up as already added, but not yet installed in my Steam library.
"This DLC is similar in scope to the Blood & Burning pack for Total War: ATTILA, sharing some of its effects. It will be available for free to players that already own that content for ATTILA."
I don't usually buy the blood packs except for the Warhammer games, so I don't have it for Attila.
Quote from: WallysWorld on August 25, 2018, 08:28:52 PM
The "Blood, Sweat and Spears" DLC is showing up as already added, but not yet installed in my Steam library.
"This DLC is similar in scope to the Blood & Burning pack for Total War: ATTILA, sharing some of its effects. It will be available for free to players that already own that content for ATTILA."
Thanks for heads up, shows up for me too...
Why is this game rousing so many people's ire?
It's a shame really, because with a little TLC and a few more DLC's Britannia could turn out to be the best of the bunch. But the mixed reaction is going to dampen sales, which could keep that interesting future from ever happening.
I rather like this game, and a lot of other people are in the same camp. But there seems to be a core of TW players (they're probably the ones that have been screaming loudly for the blood DLC) who really don't like it.
What's causing the polarizing effect?
Quote from: Philippe on August 27, 2018, 10:26:28 AM
Why is this game rousing so many people's ire?
It's a shame really, because with a little TLC and a few more DLC's Britannia could turn out to be the best of the bunch. But the mixed reaction is going to dampen sales, which could keep that interesting future from ever happening.
I rather like this game, and a lot of other people are in the same camp. But there seems to be a core of TW players (they're probably the ones that have been screaming loudly for the blood DLC) who really don't like it.
What's causing the polarizing effect?
I myself prefer the Rise of the Republic. I think Late Dark Age Britain is a little over-rated as a phenomena of interest. The rise of Normandy would be more interesting -- if probably beyond the mechanics of total war to manage. The fall of the Etruscans seems like something the system can handle. And of course vampires and ors and what not. I think a more sophisticated medieval-centric game system (not Crusader Kings or any existing thing) would be a better game -- oh and rouse more ire (maybe it could have a vampire zombie outer layer to keep people from going nuts about the actual game mechanics under the hypothetical hood).
Bring out the Vampire Samnite Orcs and everyone wins.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
See - I work for the people.
So.... Sam-pires? Or Sam-Orc-pires? Samnite Vam-Orcs! Maybe. :-\
Orc Sampires. It's academic really.
Quote from: Philippe on August 27, 2018, 10:26:28 AM
Why is this game rousing so many people's ire?
It's a shame really, because with a little TLC and a few more DLC's Britannia could turn out to be the best of the bunch. But the mixed reaction is going to dampen sales, which could keep that interesting future from ever happening.
I rather like this game, and a lot of other people are in the same camp. But there seems to be a core of TW players (they're probably the ones that have been screaming loudly for the blood DLC) who really don't like it.
What's causing the polarizing effect?
I don't own nor have I played Britannia. I will definitely do so once the price comes down. I found this 10 minute YouTube video that does a good job a distinguishing the difference in this iteration as compared to prior historical TW games. It is these changes that have turned off some of the dedicated players. The reviewer like some of the changes but not all of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJwHdjKYYMA
The game is going to get a huge overhaul tomorrow.
(Assuming anyone cares about these things, if you already happen to own the Blood DLC for Attila you'll get the Blood DLC for Britannia for free).
Here's the video announcement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=ug9EAEX3Qrs
And here's a link to the developer's blog that describes exactly what's involved:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/thrones-of-britannia-allegiance-update
If you've been playing the beta you should uninstall it before tomorrow when the update downloads.
But I'm sorry to report that there has been no mention of Samnorcs (regular or Goldman Sachs variety).
Someone (Slash) will mod them in.
I'm on it man.
Done yet?
No! I can't get the little bastards to keep their dongles covered.
Quote from: Gusington on August 28, 2018, 01:48:38 PM
Done yet?
"What's my drug of choice?
Well, what have you got?"
^My avatars have obviously been working on you, as yours have been working on me.
Quote from: Gusington on August 28, 2018, 06:24:58 PM
^My avatars have obviously been working on you, as yours have been working on me.
And I do it a lot.
Quote from: Nefaro on August 29, 2018, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Gusington on August 28, 2018, 06:24:58 PM
^My avatars have obviously been working on you, as yours have been working on me.
And I do it a lot.
Nef's new one is creepy, I prefer the ole cartoon character.
I told him the same thing and he now likes his avatar twice as much. Terriific.
I DO IT A LOT!!
Quote from: Gusington on August 30, 2018, 10:00:44 AM
I told him the same thing and he now likes his avatar twice as much. Terriific.
I DO IT A LOT!!
Now that I've said it's creepy, he'll like it three times as much!
Oh, I bet he can go even creepier. :o
Im actually super impressed by this update. The aI keeps fisting me on the gwined campaign. They're actually aggressive now.
:buck2:
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 30, 2018, 02:29:12 PM
Oh, I bet he can go even creepier. :o
>evil laugh<
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/f1/32/43f132a5416c7d478f5242950d7e195e.gif)
See, see, SEEEEE!!!
Nef, that's almost as disturbing as your current avatar!
TERRIFIC
Still not as bad as looking next to you at the movie theater and seeing Pee Wee Herman sitting there. :hide:
Doing...the popcorn trick.
Not................THE popcorn trick?
Yes. Sorry.
eeewwww
Yeah. Better if you're the perpetrator. Horror if you're the victim.
That's why I NEVER eat popcorn.
Quote from: Sir Slash on September 03, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
Still not as bad as looking next to you at the movie theater and seeing Pee Wee Herman sitting there. :hide:
...
in the seat directly behind you..
Quote from: Nefaro on September 03, 2018, 11:17:25 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on September 03, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
Still not as bad as looking next to you at the movie theater and seeing Pee Wee Herman sitting there. :hide:
...
in the seat directly behind you..
As long as he doesn't say Terrific!
Quote from: Tuna on September 04, 2018, 05:48:06 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on September 03, 2018, 11:17:25 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on September 03, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
Still not as bad as looking next to you at the movie theater and seeing Pee Wee Herman sitting there. :hide:
...
in the seat directly behind you..
As long as he doesn't say Terrific!
"Terrific view!" - PeeWee
:2funny:
On sale this weekend, feelings on this one?
You got me all excited with the on sale thing, but it's only 10% off. That doesn't really count as a sale!
Anyway, it is absolutely savaged on Steam reviews. I know, you gotta take them with a grain of salt, but the negativity is pretty high, even for Steam.
All that said, this seems like a 50% off or more type title.
Yeah...this is the solitary TW title I do not own. Very little appeal to me.
I own it but still have not played it yet. Hope to play it in the next month or so. After a campaign of Warhammer.
Well, I think the negative reviews are due to the 'family' side, and that was hard for me to learn on Attila, but once I did it was ok. But just wondering if these even harder. I am/was definitely interested. But like Toonces said, its not a very deep sale. I can wait.
I gifted my friend at work Attila, that one was deep only 11 something!
I have played two campaigns of Warhammer - Norsca and the Tomb Kings. I enjoyed them both but didn't win either, and I always felt like I wasn't grasping everything entirely. So while I had planned on starting a vampire count campaign (I even downloaded a few mods) I am actually more in the mood right now to go back to Attila...maybe try another Hun campaign.
I would just wait for a stronger sale, Tuna. We have some pretty aggressive sales likely in the next two months, what with Thanksgiving, Xmas, and Winter coming. If you can hold out 6 months, no doubt there will be deep discounts around Three Kingdoms in March.
Three Kingdoms is the mythical Chinese game coming out in March.
Thrones of Britannia is the game set in 10th century British Isles which is out now.
^ I should have been more clear. Sega is likely to discount Britannia when 3K comes out in March. Capitalize on the hype and traffic going to the Total War pages type thingy.
That I can definitely see, especially since sales of Thrones of Britannia have been less than stellar.
So this is 66% off on steam now...comes to $13 and change. Is it worth it?
Would you believe that I still haven't played it? Probably. But I swear I will play a full campaign by the end of the year. Bought it for half off during the last Steam winter sale.
I haven't tried it either, just didn't get my loins moistened for some reason. I should have all my Total War trophies taken away. :-[
You have some?
Yes, my favorite is, 'Best Flaming Pigs of 1997". It was a slow year.
I knew it would be the flaming pigs.
My loins, they remain dry.
:'(
Wow. Dry loins. Might be more tragic than starving children. :'(
I just read this thread and went to google and typed
"total war loins of brittania review"
What'd you get? Prince Charles in a G string? :hide:
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 12, 2019, 06:31:21 PM
What'd you get? Prince Charles in a G string? :hide:
No, I bet he got something along the lines of "Sir Loin had a stake in the outcome of the battle". Wait....what was the question again? :-[
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 12, 2019, 01:36:59 PM
So this is 66% off on steam now...comes to $13 and change. Is it worth it?
I enjoy it, shied away in the beginning because people said it was too hard dealing with the Politic/Family side, but I've had some good campaigns to the end. Maybe they fixed it in a patch before I tried it.
The Google probably led him back...to this thread. And thus the universe is intact.
:2funny:
The Circle of Life strikes again. You ain't Lion. :2funny:
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 12, 2019, 01:36:59 PM
So this is 66% off on steam now...comes to $13 and change. Is it worth it?
I would definitely say "yes".
Of course, I'm a bit biased towards that time period (and I've enjoyed Thrones from the beginning, warts and all), so take my recommendation with a grain of salt. And there are undeniably aspects of the game's design (narrative faction event/event chains, no agent/hero units, and the politics system all come to mind) that I can see some folks simply not ever caring for.
That being said, the game honestly has improved a good deal compared to its state at release (rather like Rome II, if not to quite the same degree -- ToB didn't receive as many updates, after all). And at that price, I don't think you can go wrong. :)
I know the game is back to its normal price right now, so my recommendation is that any fence-sitters wait for a sale again. But when it *does* go on sale, by all means, go for it!