Star Citizen - Citizen Con Presentation - Only 7hrs long. Enjoying it.

Started by Destraex, November 01, 2017, 07:05:46 PM

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Destraex

I generally ignore all the Star Citizen hype these days.
But once a year I enjoy the annual public presentation. Some very cool information about game development in general in this presentation.
These guys even have a linguist working on alien languages for the game. They also showcase their new terraforming ship.

"They only asked the Light Brigade to do it once"

Jarhead0331

As excited as I am about this game, I'll admit to being seriously pissed. Alpha 3.0 was due in July. It just made it to Evocati 2 weeks ago and there is no telling when they will release to the PTU.
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JudgeDredd

I don't know I can watch all of that - though it would be interesting to know what's down the line.

I've got to be honest though - whilst I do have Star Citizen I pretty much stay away from any literature (they send weekly emails) or any videos...in fact, keep myself in the dark. My bad.

I haven't played it much - mainly because I'm not really sure what exactly you can do in it (probably because I don't keep up with info on it) - so couldn't possibly give any comment on it's content or playability.

I look forward to it being fleshed out considerably - one day.
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Geezer

I backed it in Kickstarter.  After watching the unending mission creep over the years I've given up on it.  IMHO the thing is a train wreck and I doubt it will ever see the light of day.
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HoodedHorseJoe

For me, I just want this to be over one way or another - like if this project is going to fail, I just want it to fail now so that everyone can move on.

Or, I want CR to actually release something on time and as promised to prove us all wrong.

While I'm admittedly in the 'Anti' Star Citizen camp these days, I just want this nightmare to end. I don't care how.
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Jarhead0331

The game is hardly a "train wreck" and the 2.6 build is absolutely worth playing. 3.0 is going to be a giant leap forward and I'm confident it will prove a lot of the naysayers wrong.

The wait is painfully frustrating, but I believe.
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Geezer

Five years, over $150,000,000, and they are still in alpha.  They're still selling ships that don't even exist in the game.  From the Wiki:

In January 2017, when asked about the financial situation of Star Citizen, Chris Roberts said: "I'm not worried, because even if no money came in, we would have sufficient funds to complete Squadron 42. The revenue from this could in-turn be used for the completion of Star Citizen."

So all that time and all that money and they have not even completed Squadron 42 much less Star Citizen.  Maybe train wreck isn't the right expression.  Maybe scam would be more accurate.  But everyone is entitled to their opinion and I have no desire to comment further as no good will come of it and pretty much everyone has already made up their mind where they stand on it.

Edit - The Qt3 forum has a thread with over 5.5k posts on Star Citizen if anyone has insomnia:  https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/star-citizen-chris-roberts-lots-of-spaceship-porn-lots-of-promises/74635/5510
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Jarhead0331

You're right, everybody has already made up their mind. Really though, I don't understand the vitriol. Especially, if you haven't even invested in the game.
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jamus34

JH - I think right now the issue is that star citizen, due to the length of time and lack of deliverables seems like nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.

I will add that I have not bought in at any point but $150M is what most people would call "real money" and to have that kind of investment with no return is dubious at best. It's not Roberts is trying to invent a driverless car or fusion technology.

He's programming a game.

To put in perspective the total dollar amount Eidos dumped into ion storm for diakatana (which I heard also included building a lavish headquarters building for ion storm) was $44 M.

Again, besides being interested in the game in the beginning I have no meat in the arguement one way or the. The only thing that bothers me is the overall negative public impact this will have to the games industry in general. Most of the modern media wants to blame all the worlds ills on video games to begin with so I'd rather not give them more ammo against the industry.

Insert witty comment here.

Jarhead0331

Quote from: jamus34 on November 02, 2017, 08:37:52 AM
JH - I think right now the issue is that star citizen, due to the length of time and lack of deliverables seems like nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.

I will add that I have not bought in at any point but $150M is what most people would call "real money" and to have that kind of investment with no return is dubious at best. It's not Roberts is trying to invent a driverless car or fusion technology.

He's programming a game.

To put in perspective the total dollar amount Eidos dumped into ion storm for diakatana (which I heard also included building a lavish headquarters building for ion storm) was $44 M.

Again, besides being interested in the game in the beginning I have no meat in the arguement one way or the. The only thing that bothers me is the overall negative public impact this will have to the games industry in general. Most of the modern media wants to blame all the worlds ills on video games to begin with so I'd rather not give them more ammo against the industry.

But if you look at what has already been developed and what is being developed, its clear that it is not a "ponzi scheme" and that there is a real product there. This isn't just a "game" its a virtual universe. Nobody has tried to build something like this before. Its taking longer than anyone thought it would, or had hoped it would. This was initially due, in part, to the scope of the game that was continually expanded. This was made possible by the unexpected success of the crowd funding. It enabled the developers to be truly visionary, but it required and still requires an extreme amount of additional work to craft and to then make sure everything fits together. Most of the added reach goals are exciting, a few of them are annoying and could wait, but with the budget and the staff, I don't think things like "new ships that aren't even in the game yet" can really be blamed for present delays. Yes, its frustrating, but I think the end product will justify the necessary delay, and if you think selling a virtual product that isn't in the game yet is offensive, then it is your right not to buy it. I support the game, and yet, I don't buy concept products. I will only buy something that is flight ready. I've got dozens of hours into the current build so I certainly have received my monies worth. I'm hard pressed to believe this is the biggest criminal scheme in the history of gaming. They have multiple studios around the world employing hundreds of people. Really, they are obviously programming something. The frustration is justified, the hyperbole isn't.
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Rayfer

JH....I don't own Star Citizen but like many of us on these forums I have followed the unfolding of its development for years.  How is it different from Eve Online....? I haven't played that game either, but I am curious if you have and how you would compare the two.  Aren't both games MMO's with a persistent, evolving universe giving the players freedom to do pretty much whatever they want?

jamus34

I'm not saying they are doing nothing but based on the time spent so far vs the product shown does it seem adequate?

Really the situation didn't start bugging me until they start "selling" ships when there is not even a game released yet. To me it felt like selling DLC before a game is even done.

Who knows, maybe the only thing Roberts is guilty of is being a bad businessman / project manager.
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Jarhead0331

Quote from: Rayfer on November 02, 2017, 11:07:31 AM
JH....I don't own Star Citizen but like many of us on these forums I have followed the unfolding of its development for years.  How is it different from Eve Online....? I haven't played that game either, but I am curious if you have and how you would compare the two.  Aren't both games MMO's with a persistent, evolving universe giving the players freedom to do pretty much whatever they want?

I've never played Eve. Does it let players walk around and crew large corvette, frigate and capital class vessels, docking smaller ships and vehicles? Does it let players explore space stations, EVA in zero-G environments or in open space? Land on moons and planets and walk, run, drive, fly and fight? Does it have FPS combat with small arms, vehicles and craft? Does it have persistent, procedural cities?
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Geezer

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2017, 07:25:17 AM
You're right, everybody has already made up their mind. Really though, I don't understand the vitriol. Especially, if you haven't even invested in the game.

Not sure if you are talking about me, but yes I have invested in the game.  See the first sentence of my first post above.
We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.  George Bernard Shaw

Jarhead0331

Quote from: Geezer on November 02, 2017, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2017, 07:25:17 AM
You're right, everybody has already made up their mind. Really though, I don't understand the vitriol. Especially, if you haven't even invested in the game.

Not sure if you are talking about me, but yes I have invested in the game.  See the first sentence of my first post above.

I was speaking more generally about rage on the internets. But while we're on the topic, whats your investment? How much are in it for? What package did you buy? Why not try out the current build? Its totally worth playing and it sounds like you paid money and then just read about the game rather then trying out all the builds to see what is available and how it has been progressing.
Grogheads Uber Alles
Semper Grog
"No beast is more alpha than JH." Gusington, 10/23/18