Nazis? Never heard of them!

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Silent Disapproval Robot

So a couple of my more oblivious Japanese friends recently had some of their photos deleted from Facebook and they couldn't understand why.  It wasn't until they sent me copies via e-mail that I understood.

I knew all about the manji character and that it was used to mark the location of Buddhist temples on maps but I had no idea this was a fad in Japanese social media now.


Gusington

I wonder if that one kid knows he's wearing a Yankees hat.


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Staggerwing

Quote from: Gusington on June 16, 2018, 06:11:13 PM
I wonder if that one kid knows he's wearing a Yankees hat.

Based on him also wearing a Hilfiger coat, I'd say 'No'.
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Silent Disapproval Robot


Staggerwing

Vituð ér enn - eða hvat?  -Voluspa

Nothing really rocks and nothing really rolls and nothing's ever worth the cost...

"Don't you look at me that way..." -the Abyss
 
'When searching for a meaningful embrace, sometimes my self respect took second place' -Iggy Pop, Cry for Love

... this will go down on your permanent record... -the Violent Femmes, 'Kiss Off'-

"I'm not just anyone, I'm not just anyone-
I got my time machine, got my 'electronic dream!"
-Sonic Reducer, -Dead Boys

JasonPratt

"Hillfinger" is clearly an anime. Probably one of those animes.  ^-^

That weird icon on the hat is a glyph, from that anime where people keep trying to bring back the dead.
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Gusington

I fear I will never understand the Japanese.


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We can't live under the threat of a c*nt because he's threatening nuclear Armageddon.

-JudgeDredd

SirAndrewD

My wife taught English in Toyko for two years.  They've scrubbed WW2 over there.

The rules of her employment actually included direct instructions that she was never to answer any questions about WW2.  She was told to always deflect and say that the Emperor had very bad advice and it led  to a horrible misunderstanding between two countries who are clearly friends. 

That was pretty much it, if they asked further she was told to deflect and ask them to talk to their families or read themselves at a library. 

Average Japanese on the street, especially young ones, are honestly shocked at why they're so hated by Korea and China. 

I've had much the same experience in my running into exchange students in the US.  I've had one Korean and one Japanese, thankfully not in the same class the same year.  The Korean student was hyper aware of everything that happened in WW2, and could name a specific Japanese atrocity right off the cuff. 

The Japanese student was honestly aghast at my class, that did cover WW2.  She was almost totally unaware of even the most basic details if the war, while being very well versed on the occupation and rebuilding period after. 

It's pretty stunning stuff.
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Silent Disapproval Robot

I lived there for nine years.  I was never given any instruction to avoid talking about the war but it never really came up either.  The English textbooks glossed over it.  The one we used was called New Horizons and the only mention of anything related to the war years was a story about a Japanese girl who got radiation poisoning from the A-bombs and told herself if she could make 1,000 origami cranes, she'd get over her sickness.   

The story started with "One day an airplane appeared in the sky..."

back in the 60's when things were pretty dodgy politically in Japan, textbook editors were threatened and some even killed by ultra-nationalists if they said anything negative about Japan's activities during the period of colonialism and the war years.



Gus, one of the reasons I left Japan was that it all started to make sense to me.  Felt like a character in an H.P. Lovecraft novel going insane with the discovery of forbidden truths.

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SirAndrewD

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Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 16, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
I lived there for nine years.  I was never given any instruction to avoid talking about the war but it never really came up either.  The English textbooks glossed over it.  The one we used was called New Horizons and the only mention of anything related to the war years was a story about a Japanese girl who got radiation poisoning from the A-bombs and told herself if she could make 1,000 origami cranes, she'd get over her sickness.   

The story started with "One day an airplane appeared in the sky..."

back in the 60's when things were pretty dodgy politically in Japan, textbook editors were threatened and some even killed by ultra-nationalists if they said anything negative about Japan's activities during the period of colonialism and the war years.



Gus, one of the reasons I left Japan was that it all started to make sense to me.  Felt like a character in an H.P. Lovecraft novel going insane with the discovery of forbidden truths.

That's really interesting to me SDR.  What years were you there, what occupation?   I'm kind of fascinated to see based on your experience, and my wife's which was '03-'05 working for NOVA.  I had my only Japanese student in '04.  The historiography of the how they discuss things fascinates me.
"These men do not want a happy ship. They are deeply sick and try to compensate by making me feel miserable. Last week was my birthday. Nobody even said "happy birthday" to me. Someday this tape will be played and then they'll feel sorry."  - Sgt. Pinback

CptHowdy

Quote from: SirAndrewD on June 16, 2018, 11:39:10 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 16, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
I lived there for nine years.  I was never given any instruction to avoid talking about the war but it never really came up either.  The English textbooks glossed over it.  The one we used was called New Horizons and the only mention of anything related to the war years was a story about a Japanese girl who got radiation poisoning from the A-bombs and told herself if she could make 1,000 origami cranes, she'd get over her sickness.   

The story started with "One day an airplane appeared in the sky..."

back in the 60's when things were pretty dodgy politically in Japan, textbook editors were threatened and some even killed by ultra-nationalists if they said anything negative about Japan's activities during the period of colonialism and the war years.



Gus, one of the reasons I left Japan was that it all started to make sense to me.  Felt like a character in an H.P. Lovecraft novel going insane with the discovery of forbidden truths.

That's really interesting to me SDR.  What years were you there, what occupation?   I'm kind of fascinated to see based on your experience, and my wife's which was '03-'05 working for NOVA.  I had my only Japanese student in '04.  The historiography of the how they discuss things fascinates me.

how about german students?  i mean you cant even sell a game in germany that has a swastika in it so just wondering how they treat the subject matter. very interesting stuff indeed.

SirAndrewD

Quote from: CptHowdy on June 17, 2018, 01:04:32 AM


how about german students?  i mean you cant even sell a game in germany that has a swastika in it so just wondering how they treat the subject matter. very interesting stuff indeed.

Never had a one myself.  I had UK exchange girl, super smart and sort of dismissive of our education system.  Most wild and salacious was a Saudi boy who had a sit in with a Isreali Air Force Pilot, and that almost had some fireworks.

But no Germans, ever.  I did have a Romanian.  She, scholastically, was one of the best students I ever had.  Hyper smart, wonderful girl.  She mentored with me a bit and I loved picking her brain and making her think.

WW2 was her bane though.  We got to it in my my 20th Century AP class.  She was horribly ashamed of her country's history.  But she was intelligently defensive, understanding the horrific rock and hard place her country was in.  She wasn't happy that her country was an Axis member, but she was super educated about why they were.   She was a great kid.  We had a lot of very direct and frank WW2 conversations when she  was in my class.
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Quote from: CptHowdy on June 17, 2018, 01:04:32 AM
how about German students?  i mean you cant even sell a game in germany that has a swastika in it so just wondering how they treat the subject matter. very interesting stuff indeed.

don't worry, when i was a student i got literally flooded with topics from National Socialism timeframe: propaganda methods, the coordination, persecution of the Jews, Holocaust, and those things repetitive
in different classes like Religion, History, German Language, Social studies, and at different age levels and it was the pet issue of young teachers in training. 

but not once single word about any militaryhistory of WW2, campaigns, strategies, tactics, important battles etc,  none!
and not one word of let's call it positive achievements (in technology, or military) in those 12 years

what a lot of esp greenleft people don't get today, is that the proper Nazi symbol look like in this picture on the tail of a Ju87, every other turned, mirrored, crippled, or distorted versions are something different.



(only exception are the banner/ancient/standard of some state and NSDAP party services and esp the Leibstandarte AH which got blown up into a full SS-Panzerdivison in the late years of the war.
those banners had the swastika turned 45 degrees to the left, so not on the tip )   

in most of the time of global human history it was a symbol of the sun, or a wheel of life circle, and a sign for luck such things.     

Silent Disapproval Robot

Quote from: SirAndrewD on June 16, 2018, 11:39:10 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 16, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
I lived there for nine years.  I was never given any instruction to avoid talking about the war but it never really came up either.  The English textbooks glossed over it.  The one we used was called New Horizons and the only mention of anything related to the war years was a story about a Japanese girl who got radiation poisoning from the A-bombs and told herself if she could make 1,000 origami cranes, she'd get over her sickness.   

The story started with "One day an airplane appeared in the sky..."

back in the 60's when things were pretty dodgy politically in Japan, textbook editors were threatened and some even killed by ultra-nationalists if they said anything negative about Japan's activities during the period of colonialism and the war years.



Gus, one of the reasons I left Japan was that it all started to make sense to me.  Felt like a character in an H.P. Lovecraft novel going insane with the discovery of forbidden truths.

That's really interesting to me SDR.  What years were you there, what occupation?   I'm kind of fascinated to see based on your experience, and my wife's which was '03-'05 working for NOVA.  I had my only Japanese student in '04.  The historiography of the how they discuss things fascinates me.

I first went for three years from '97 til 2000.  I was teaching at a technical college in Poland prior to that and my father sent me a clipping from my hometown's newspaper saying that our sister-city in Kanagawa, Japan was looking for someone to work as an English teacher at various junior high schools as well as a cultural liaison to help out with homestay exchanges and the like.  I was hired directly by the city but basically had the same contract as teachers on the JET programme which had a three-year limit.

I returned to Canada and got a job teaching ESL at a private school in Vancouver and worked there for just under a year.  I missed living in Japan so I emailed my boss and asked him if he had a line on any jobs.  He had a friend from college who was the vice-principal at a private high school in rural Japan that was looking for an English teacher and they hired me on.  The school had been exclusively dedicated to sports and had a pretty famous and well-respected baseball training programme but they were starting to lose some students to larger schools closer to the big cities so they decided to branch out and offer different courses of study such as fine arts, IT, and language and international studies.  They hired me to teach English and a Korean woman and a giant Mongolian woman to teach Korean and Mandarin.  In my first year, I taught at this school 4 days a week and I also taught at an all girls' high school in the next town once a week.  That school was teetering on bankruptcy though and cancelled my contract at the end of the year (and went bankrupt a year after that) so I ended up working at my main school full time.  I stayed there for six years and enjoyed the hell out of my time there.

I also taught in South Korea for a year (and definitely didn't enjoy my time there), Poland for a year, Saipan for three months, and Thailand for a year and a half. 



I had a few German students at the language school in Vancouver.  They were fine and got along well with everyone for the most part.  The students that tended to give us the most problems were the Saudis, the Brazilians, and the Koreans.  The Saudis and the Brazilians tended to come from very, very wealthy backgrounds and expected to be waited on and catered to.  They didn't really react well when they learned that they weren't going to be afforded special treatment.  The Koreans were the most xenophobic and reluctant to mix with other nationalities.  When the world cup was on, they wanted to use our main meeting room with the big TV to have a party and watch the matches.  We told them it was fine, but that they'd have to invite everyone from the school.  They refused and a few even quit the school.  They'd also either lodge complaints or have complaints lodged against them  from their homestay hosts and most would quickly move out and get their own places rather than live with families. 

As it was an English school, world history didn't really come up so the war was never really a topic of conversation (although I did have one Italian student and one Turk who loved talking about the wars and were constantly giving each other a hard time over their nation's histories but in a good-natured way.)