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What next for Goodell?

Started by MetalDog, May 23, 2015, 11:28:04 AM

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OJsDad

Quote from: Steelgrave on May 23, 2015, 02:51:41 PM
Pro sports as a whole has to balance public image vs. results on the field. The entitled, the bad boys, the troubled, they all get passes to various degrees in all sports because the same fans who find their behavior abhorrent will be rooting for them when they make the winning dunk, touchdown or home run. The 24/7 news cycle gives bad boys no place to hide.

I think part of what is going on is Goodell is the commish at a time that people are becoming more aware of these athletes bad behavior and his punishments to them is getting more scrutiny.  You can probably go back as little as 10 years ago and find a lot of the same issues going on but not the public attention to them. 
'Here at NASA we all pee the same color.'  Al Harrison from the movie Hidden Figures.

Con

Quote from: OJsDad on May 23, 2015, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Con on May 23, 2015, 07:56:43 PM
I also think that when the footballs are measured during the upcoming season and you will see that there is such a variation in the PSI due to pre conditioning of the leather, humidity, gauge variation, and the natural gas law and temp that Kraft will then lower the hammer on Goodell.  No way that this tight a spec on football pressure will be maintained if the balls are measured at half time and full time after games outside.  Now I know facts wont sway most people/fans but it will be enough once a big data set from NFL games is used to overturn the Pats loss of draft picks.  You are going to see some ugly numbers for inflation from bad weather conditions and between the balls from both teams.

Con

Remember, Goodell didn't punish Brady and the Patriots for the deflation of the footballs, but the cover up.  In the same tradition that the Federal government sends people to prison when they cannot get them for anything else.
I think time will tell if it was a cover up.  There has been a lot written about how it was a slanted report that didn't examine a lot of the problems that the NFL had in this (like leaking wrong information and setting up a sting operation).  Also the scientific evidence was ignored, which gauges used etc etc.  The bottom line is there was a suspicion of wrongdoing (with only some text chats giving this credence) as well as an "awareness" whatever that means from Brady.  Pretty thin to be handing down draconian punishment but again it reinforces that Goodell (or his management group) managed to take something simple and botch it to incredibly bad proportions.  Long term this doesnt help the NFL and that's what is going to get him fired.  I don't think Kraft has finished this but has conceded ground to set himself up for a more opportune time.

OJsDad

Well, Goodell upheld Brady's suspension. 

Now it's the courts turn to weigh in. 
'Here at NASA we all pee the same color.'  Al Harrison from the movie Hidden Figures.

mirth

Injunction. Brady plays the entire season. Courts settle it in the off-season
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MetalDog

I agree with mirth.  Unless the league can exert pressure to get the case heard before/during the season.  Then, I think Brady is exonerated and Goodell and the shield get another black eye.  And I say good for that!!
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mirth

Goodell looks like an idiot right now. Brady and Greg Hardy both get 4 games? Beyond dumb.

"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

MetalDog

As my grandfather used to say, 'Goodell looks like a jackass eating briars.'  I can't stand his smug face or the way the NFL acts as if they were above the law.
And the One Song to Rule Them All is Gimme Shelter - Rolling Stones


"If its a Balrog, I don't think you get an option to not consent......." - bob

mirth

I love having Ray Lewis sermonize about Tom Brady. Priceless.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

bayonetbrant

Quote from: mirth on July 28, 2015, 06:47:27 PMGoodell looks like an idiot right now. Brady and Greg Hardy both get 4 games? Beyond dumb.

What's worse is the way they handled Hardy's suspension.
Actions happened while old CBA was in place.  Punishment should've only been 2 games based on CBA
Punishment now being meted out under the standard of the new CBA.  NFL tries to give him 10; he appeals and gets 4, which is (honestly) twice as much as he should have based on the labor contract.
Honestly, he should be out of the league, but the NFL doesn't have the testicular fortitude to tell these guys that they're out of the league after a conviction.
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mirth

As much as it would suck for Pats fans, I'd love for Brady to say 'screw this' and announce his retirement.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

bayonetbrant

What I think is funny is how many people are hammering him for destroying his cell phone, and guffawing at the claim that he does it regularly.  If you had a bunch of texts between you and Giselle talking about kinky sex positions and getting your scrog on in the kitchen sink, you wouldn't want to take any chance that some digital forensics dude was going to pull that off of your phone even after you supposedly wiped it before trading in / recycling / donating / whatever.  Nope.  That sucker goes in an industrial shredder and the remnant dropped into a nuclear reactor.
The key to surviving this site is to not say something which ends up as someone's tag line - Steelgrave

"their citizens (all of them counted as such) glorified their mythology of 'rights'...and lost track of their duties. No nation, so constituted, can endure." Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers

mirth

Yeah, that's made me chuckle too. In this era of media circus, the idea that you would just turn over your personal cell is absolutely ludicrous. All your personal shit would be on TMZ in less than 24 hrs.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

OJsDad

Quote from: mirth on July 28, 2015, 05:43:09 PM
Injunction. Brady plays the entire season. Courts settle it in the off-season

Unless the judge is a Jets fan.   >:D
'Here at NASA we all pee the same color.'  Al Harrison from the movie Hidden Figures.

mirth

Quote from: OJsDad on July 28, 2015, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: mirth on July 28, 2015, 05:43:09 PM
Injunction. Brady plays the entire season. Courts settle it in the off-season

Unless the judge is a Jets fan.   >:D

In that case, he'll butt-fumble while trying to hand the ruling to the clerk.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

mirth

"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus