Batman vs Superman Trailer Leaked Online...

Started by BanzaiCat, April 17, 2015, 09:39:26 AM

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I really don't understand these things.  I figured with a title like Dawn of Justice, that it would be the beginning of the formation of the League of Justice.  But from what you guys are saying is that Batman is out to kill Superman? 
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lol @ "which Newsie did you base Clark Kent off on?" :)

GIFV how how this new movie will end:
http://i.imgur.com/IRg9CPv.gifv
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mirth

I'd pay good money to see a fist go through Batfleck's head.
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Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 27, 2015, 08:40:38 PM
I like this one better.



God, that was funny....especially Commissioner Gordon and his missing glasses.

BanzaiCat



Okay, I admit, this trailer makes the movie more intriguing. I'm really hoping it has the emotion quotient that the trailer hints at. I think I might go see it now.

Staggerwing

Is that the same actor as in the most recent Superman flick? Do I need to see that one first?
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It doesn't look like it will be essential but see it anyway - it's a decent film

mirth

Quote from: Staggerwing on July 11, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
Is that the same actor as in the most recent Superman flick? Do I need to see that one first?

Yes. It's Henry Cavill who was in Man of Steel.

No. Don't bother.
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mirth

Watch this for a synopsis of Man of Steel. Far more entertaining than the actual movie.


"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

BanzaiCat

Quote from: mirth on July 12, 2015, 05:55:38 AM
Quote from: Staggerwing on July 11, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
Is that the same actor as in the most recent Superman flick? Do I need to see that one first?

Yes. It's Henry Cavill who was in Man of Steel.

No. Don't bother.

Mirth makes a good point, but if you want to 'get' this newer one, you need to see Man of Steel to understand where Dawn of Justice is coming from. It looks like a lot of the destruction that Supes and Zod were wreaking on Gotham City has a tie-in to Batman's little quest for vengeance.

That's not to say Man of Steel is a good movie...not at all. Just sayin' for understanding the story better.

JasonPratt

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Quote from: Staggerwing on April 27, 2015, 08:04:24 PM
I never read the Dark Knight Returns, just TDK but the 'Superman as an arm of the DOD' backstory was already part of it. How does the second comic compare? The first one was subversive on so many levels for someone like me who had not ready any Batman or Superman since the late 70's.

He was talking about the first book, which was DKR. The second book is... I forget, The Dark Knight Re-returns or something. I have it over on a shelf but I'm durned if I'm going to go look. Its story is about as insane as the title I just made up. ;)

Let's say that the second book is not nearly as seminal as anything Frank Miller did in his early career (two Batman stories and a big Daredevil overhaul). It's more like his crazy anti-fan screed All-Star Batman and Robin which heavily satirizes the whole idea of Batman, and the Justice League more generally.

As a short summary, since Batman faked his death and went (literally) underground, Luthor and Brainiac have covertly taken over the world (and turned out to be behind the political push to disband the League which happened before DKR), and imprisoned many of heroes in sadistic traps. (Not deathtraps, because then they wouldn't continue to suffer.) Superman is still a government stooge but only because they're holding Kandor (the shrunken Kryptonian city) hostage. Cassie, the new Robin, has grown up a bit into a teenaged new Catwoman, with the March-December romance that eventually implies.  :buck2: Batman leads a push to rescue the League members and/or defuse the blackmail threats (not all of which succeed), while the two villains decide they had better force Superman to lose a fight and die before he's freed from their blackmail. The daughter Superman once had with Wonder Woman is revealed (and their romance is rekindled), and acts as a pretty clever trojan horse sacrifice to rescue the Kandorians from Brainiac. The end result is that Superman and his daughter decide to rule over Earth with a whole city of freed Kryptonians, which is no doubt the setup for Miller's coming third story The Master Race.

It is kind of interesting sometimes, but it's less about Batman than about DKR-ing many of the other Justice League. Batman mainly returns to arrogantly pull the League's collective hash out of the fire and act as the strategist for putting together a plan to defeat Luthor and Brainiac. His best few scenes by far are where he messes with Luthor briefly (including giving Luthor a Zorro scar.)

Oh, and a gay undead Dick Grayson, driven insane by unresolved lust for Batman, is acting as an assassin for Luthor. Or something like that.  :P 'Artistic' touches of this sort are crammed in around the edges.

That being said, now that I've bothered to recall more of how the plot goes, I have to admit Superman and most of the League are treated with surprising respect by the story, which undoes the mere political kowtowing Superman engaged in for the original Dark Knight Returns -- since it never really made sense that Superman would be so intimidated by mere humans that he would work for the US government in return for being allowed to save people sometimes more-or-less in secret. Even Plastic Man is given some serious respect! -- he's the one League member Batman fears the most. (Because Plastic Man is insane and you can't be sure what he'll do with his almighty powerset.)

It's really a pretty good Old Justice League story, if not nearly on par with Kingdom Come (which itself owes a lot to Dark Knight Returns -- Miller seems to be competing directly with it as a continuation of Old Batman). I guess what bothers me about it, is its needlessly offensive touches meant to be sarcastically daring or whatever. It lacks a lot of the heart underlying DKR's fierce growling: a heart emphasized by the fine 2 hour 15 minute animated adaptation a few years ago (with Batman voiced by Peter Weller), which showed that after all these years it's still a much better Final Batman Story than the live action end to the Nolan trilogy.
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JasonPratt

My main problems with Man of Steel are:

1.) It's just as aggressively stupid in its writing as the final Batman movie, while trying to present itself as Way Grimdark Serious;

and

2.) It's needlessly Way Grimdark Serious. Even to the point of Snyder intentionally putting a Grimdark filter on everything he had already shot. Seriously, a lot of the look is merely color desaturation in post. There's a Youtube video somewhere simply color correcting the trailer footage. (You can even see from the Honest Trailer screengrab that the movie was originally shot as brightly and colorfully as the 70s Superman.)


As long as we're reffing Screen Junkies by the way (the Honest Trailer team), here's their salute to the Timm/Diniverse Animated Superman series if it had gone the Snyder route:

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mirth

Quote from: Banzai_Cat on July 12, 2015, 09:36:58 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 12, 2015, 05:55:38 AM
Quote from: Staggerwing on July 11, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
Is that the same actor as in the most recent Superman flick? Do I need to see that one first?

Yes. It's Henry Cavill who was in Man of Steel.

No. Don't bother.

Mirth makes a good point, but if you want to 'get' this newer one, you need to see Man of Steel to understand where Dawn of Justice is coming from. It looks like a lot of the destruction that Supes and Zod were wreaking on Gotham City has a tie-in to Batman's little quest for vengeance.

That's not to say Man of Steel is a good movie...not at all. Just sayin' for understanding the story better.

I'm not sure it will be necessary to see Man of Steel to understand the backstory for BvS. I'm sure there will be plenty of expository crammed into the new film to make sure us dummies in the audience get why Batman doesn't like Supes.
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