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Computer Gaming / Re: 40k Custodes - Who here ha...

Last post by al_infierno - Today at 03:47:44 PM

I think to a certain degree it has nothing to do with female space marines and more to do with meeting up with your friends at a club or a garage and getting away from all the shit that compulsory diversity and woke-ism brings in an average working day and all the other crap that comes with real life because you've come to play soldiers to get away from all that and here in the microcosm of 40k it didn't exist and it was you and your army and your friends and now it's invading that bit of peace and quiet you had from the world

Don't get me wrong - I'm neither for or against - you do you over there and I'll do me over here

Like the vegans of this world - you can do that and I'll eat meat but don't be a dick and stand outside my restaurant calling me a flesh eating murderer

As I get older I realise the best most peaceful form of inclusivity is not to include any fucker at all

What doesn't make sense about this is why diversity and inclusion is this self-evidently abhorrent thing that must be "kept out" of a gaming space. Is play time really ruined because GW decided one faction is slightly more diverse?  Or if the shoe was on the other foot, would anyone be here crying the blues because a faction became less diverse? I doubt it.

At what point does the topic of diversity go from "it's OK to accept women and queer people in our hobby" to "oh my god, this is FORCED WOKE ISM and play time is ruined!"  Because to me it seems entirely arbitrary.

People are still entitled to make a choice - play games that include diversity, play games that don't

But the people that chose to play a game that didn't which is well within their right have now had the rules changed, lore changed and game changed to make sure the game without diversity they chose is now been made to include it because some people think they shouldn't get to a play a game that doesn't include it

"I specifically chose this game because it's not diverse, and the wokies ruined it by adding women" is a VERY bizarre way to frame your position on this issue.  It's pretty much just dancing around the explicit argument that Warhammer SHOULD only be men (or straight or white or what have you) and any deviation from that is "against lore."

Like, if that's your take on the whole thing fair enough I guess, but you understand how that's not exactly beating the "sexist neckbeard" allegations, right? 

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Computer Gaming / Re: 40k Custodes - Who here ha...

Last post by undercovergeek - Today at 03:36:02 PM

I think to a certain degree it has nothing to do with female space marines and more to do with meeting up with your friends at a club or a garage and getting away from all the shit that compulsory diversity and woke-ism brings in an average working day and all the other crap that comes with real life because you've come to play soldiers to get away from all that and here in the microcosm of 40k it didn't exist and it was you and your army and your friends and now it's invading that bit of peace and quiet you had from the world

Don't get me wrong - I'm neither for or against - you do you over there and I'll do me over here

Like the vegans of this world - you can do that and I'll eat meat but don't be a dick and stand outside my restaurant calling me a flesh eating murderer

As I get older I realise the best most peaceful form of inclusivity is not to include any fucker at all

What doesn't make sense about this is why diversity and inclusion is this self-evidently abhorrent thing that must be "kept out" of a gaming space. Is play time really ruined because GW decided one faction is slightly more diverse?  Or if the shoe was on the other foot, would anyone be here crying the blues because a faction became less diverse? I doubt it.

At what point does the topic of diversity go from "it's OK to accept women and queer people in our hobby" to "oh my god, this is FORCED WOKE ISM and play time is ruined!"  Because to me it seems entirely arbitrary.

People are still entitled to make a choice - play games that include diversity, play games that don't

But the people that chose to play a game that didn't which is well within their right have now had the rules changed, lore changed and game changed to make sure the game without diversity they chose is now been made to include it because some people think they shouldn't get to a play a game that doesn't include it

#3

Computer Gaming / Sins Of a Solar Empire 2

Last post by solops - Today at 03:25:34 PM

SoaSE-2----

Who has it?
Is it any good?
How is it different from SoaSE-1?

#4

Computer Gaming / Re: Campaign Series Vietnam

Last post by Old TImer - Today at 03:06:09 PM

...I have a series of Tet related scenarios that deal with Hue from David Galster.

This is timely.    https://www.amazon.com/Hue-1968-Mark-Bowden-audiobook/dp/B0721TLZKT/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3SNXAFVQ3XFZ7&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1D1uwzFZLfisqGff5ZK6Ug2PaVGBjAzzbjtbAtA2EGzLkOLT0hP4YPbwm88LoiXwiNcbBRB2jcCJqaqXEl_sYpNI44Gs1tl2PL8fI0t2XvPNa_3BCPxHmumd2vXgME-ZrhjB78tSiu4CBbL9e3JrjvTCNb4yffqS6h6pq_rhBIgNbI4HpTp8YwueKl4kRhbWscJLGE93b6j3UmGKBp_BOO-tWGkAwIrLZuV3N0AhwAQ.0byXPwuI3KL4DWAMiu3iZQQJpyEzO5tV6nE24mlPZRE&dib_tag=se&keywords=battle+of+hue&qid=1713902606&sprefix=battle+of+hue%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-4
Reading a fantastic book on the Battle of Hue 

Good stuff.

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Computer Gaming / Re: 40k Custodes - Who here ha...

Last post by W8taminute - Today at 01:39:31 PM

you've come to play soldiers to get away from all that and here in the microcosm of 40k it didn't exist and it was you and your army and your friends and now it's invading that bit of peace and quiet you had from the world

This is key to why I get so upset about this stuff.  Can't I be left alone to enjoy my toy soldiers in peace and quiet?


Also, forgive me for mentioning this, but remember, the enemy seeks to kill, steal, and destroy.  This is but one small example of that manifestation.  See, although I don't play WH40K miniatures, I'm still upset by this issue.  I got angry and let the enemy win with respect to his desire for destruction.  But I do enjoy playing my games and if I had some plastic toy soldiers I would play with them as well despite my middle age. 

I think a lot of gamers just want to be left alone and allowed to play their games in peace sans the controversies of this stupid real life.

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Computer Gaming / Re: 40k Custodes - Who here ha...

Last post by al_infierno - Today at 12:07:46 PM

I think to a certain degree it has nothing to do with female space marines and more to do with meeting up with your friends at a club or a garage and getting away from all the shit that compulsory diversity and woke-ism brings in an average working day and all the other crap that comes with real life because you've come to play soldiers to get away from all that and here in the microcosm of 40k it didn't exist and it was you and your army and your friends and now it's invading that bit of peace and quiet you had from the world

Don't get me wrong - I'm neither for or against - you do you over there and I'll do me over here

Like the vegans of this world - you can do that and I'll eat meat but don't be a dick and stand outside my restaurant calling me a flesh eating murderer

As I get older I realise the best most peaceful form of inclusivity is not to include any fucker at all

What doesn't make sense about this is why diversity and inclusion is this self-evidently abhorrent thing that must be "kept out" of a gaming space. Is play time really ruined because GW decided one faction is slightly more diverse?  Or if the shoe was on the other foot, would anyone be here crying the blues because a faction became less diverse? I doubt it.

At what point does the topic of diversity go from "it's OK to accept women and queer people in our hobby" to "oh my god, this is FORCED WOKE ISM and play time is ruined!"  Because to me it seems entirely arbitrary.

#7

Computer Gaming / Re: 40k Custodes - Who here ha...

Last post by Silent Disapproval Robot - Today at 10:54:08 AM

'Can't we all just get along?'

*throws brick at Gus.*

#8

Computer Gaming / Re: 40k Custodes - Who here ha...

Last post by Jarhead0331 - Today at 08:54:59 AM

I hope one day they put all their energy into something they truly don't understand that is so deplorable and despicable to be a part of just so they can say there now were included and then go - fuck!

You mean, like "Queers for Palestine"? 

#9

Computer Gaming / Re: 40k Custodes - Who here ha...

Last post by W8taminute - Today at 08:25:44 AM

I think what W8 is talking about is "the bigger picture". There are all these small cultural battles being waged and viewed independently, many of them seem irrelevant, petty or meaningless. But when added together and viewed as a whole, it can look quite disconcerting to many and feel overwhelming.

 

You understand me well.

#10

Computer Gaming / Re: 40k Custodes - Who here ha...

Last post by JasonPratt - Today at 08:19:31 AM

At the end of the day, it isn't going to affect me in the slightest if I want to fire up the original EA Space Hulk on DosBox, or the latest build of Ultimate Apocalypse on Soulstorm, or finally catch up with that fleet management game I've owned since whenever, or any of the umpteen 40K games I own. It's just intrusive for no good organic lore reason. Like if I bought 25% of GW stock and insisted they start introducing actual trinitarian Christian theology into their cosmology instead of only borrowing its bling for flavor: fans (even the significant number of Christian ones!) would rightly complain that I should save that for my own fanfic.

That said, I was listening to orthodox hymns from various cultures while working on project quotes this morning, and suddenly realized the most important and epic "neckbeards" in the actual game lore would VERY MUCH INSIST that Adeptas Sororitas are not and cannot be Astartes. With literal flaming of dissenters as heretics.