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Religion, Politics, and Flame Wars / Re: Kneeling in the NFL
« Last post by Marty Ward on Today at 12:33:51 PM »
That's EXACTLY what I was talking about a few pages back.

Protesting at football games isn't going to change anything, except piss off the customers that pay their wages.



Yep. You don't start a conversation by pissing half the people off before you start talking.
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Enigmas of the Mystical / Re: More Pix For A Laugh
« Last post by bayonetbrant on Today at 12:24:32 PM »
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Religion, Politics, and Flame Wars / Re: Kneeling in the NFL
« Last post by BanzaiCat on Today at 12:19:18 PM »
That's EXACTLY what I was talking about a few pages back.

Protesting at football games isn't going to change anything, except piss off the customers that pay their wages.

I think both sides - the police and those taking umbrage to the shootings - are to blame, here. I've not been a cop, though I studied to be one. The closest to hoods I've been in is as a paramedic, and I've been to plenty of calls in the ghetto back in the day. Those guys do NOT like white people of ANY stripe in ANY kind of uniform, trust me. I've had shit flung at me, been threatened with a gun ("you better stop his bleeding and save him or Imma bust a cap in yo white ass"), and it happened more often than I'd care to think of. That made me more than a little squirriley whenever we had to enter one of the more 'dangerous' neighborhoods on a call. From that experience of mine, I am extrapolating that police, whom face more than their share of that kind of resistance and hatred, have an even more callous and hardened approach.

Should they? No, they most certainly should not. The community is theirs to serve, not the other way around.

Does it take a village? I don't know. For anyone wanting to protest police shootings, well...look deeply into the neighborhood that caused it in the first place. Granted there are plenty of instances of shootings that are senseless.

If we're going to go down that road, let's look at black-on-black crime. How many gang bangers in Chicago, for instance, capped each other? Twenty one. Just since the beginning of THIS month.

Where are the protesters for that kind of thing? You have an entire generation of young people killing each other left and right, and yet they choose to protest police? Are they easier targets than protesting communities waging private wars against each other?

If black people think black people are unfairly targeted by the police, being aware of this and NOT putting yourself into a situation like that might have helped. Then again it might not have.

Dude, I love you like a brother.  But please re-read what you just wrote here.  You're basically making my point for me.

I know I'm not making myself clear but I'm trying to agree with you. I'm just going to stop right there for the moment, I have too much crap I'm trying to wrap my mind around from work right now.
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Religion, Politics, and Flame Wars / Re: Kneeling in the NFL
« Last post by Marty Ward on Today at 12:15:20 PM »
That's a big part of the issue - the impression that no one cares at all about the killings.

The TV news cares, there is a new one on every night!

Seems like the issue was being 'talked' about and even starting to be addressed before Kap sat his ass.

'Stinson explained in a 2015 essay that from 2005 to 2014 only 47 officers were charged for murder in cases relating to civilian death. There is some emerging evidence to suggest the percent of officers who face charges is increasing, though: In 2015, according to Stinson, 12 officers were charged with murder or manslaughter of civilians while on duty.

Police departments and local governments have been taking steps in recent years to hold police accountable. One proposal recommended by many, including President Obama's "Task Force on 21st Century Policing," includes the use of body cameras to record incidents that occur while an officer is on duty. In 2015 Congress allocated $22.5 million toward the distribution of body cameras to police.'

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/by-the-numbers-law-enforcement-and-violence/
OK - things are being done. That's good. However, it still goes on. In 2015 congress allocated $22.5million to body cameras. That officer wasn't wearing one. Ok. So it takes time to get everywhere up and running. He did have a dash cam which showed what went on (though admittedly not whether Philando was reaching for his weapon or his ID as he was asked to (according to his girlfriend).

Upshot is - it still happens and therefore people feel strongly enough to protest about it and again - potentially put their careers on the line.

I would've thought a fairly decent thing to do was to allow them the protest - even if most people are not going to give a shit - so that someone somewhere can.

Not only were they being done, they were being done before the players began their protests.  It has taken a few years to get body cameras on Baltimore City cops. It's not something that happens immediately. And even once every cop has one and all other available technology is deployed to capture their actions there will still be times when they don't show everything, where the end result is a dead person and a non-charged cop with people screaming about injustice because they only see it from one side.

No one has stopped anyone from protesting. They have that right. And those they piss off have the exact same right to let their anger be heard and to not watch them. It's not a one way street.
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Religion, Politics, and Flame Wars / Re: Kneeling in the NFL
« Last post by mirth on Today at 12:14:11 PM »
I don't agree with protesting on field during the anthem, but I understand and accept there are reasons to protest.
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Religion, Politics, and Flame Wars / Re: Kneeling in the NFL
« Last post by Gusington on Today at 12:12:25 PM »
^That's where I'm coming from too.
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Religion, Politics, and Flame Wars / Re: Kneeling in the NFL
« Last post by JudgeDredd on Today at 12:08:49 PM »
That's a big part of the issue - the impression that no one cares at all about the killings.

The TV news cares, there is a new one on every night!

Seems like the issue was being 'talked' about and even starting to be addressed before Kap sat his ass.

'Stinson explained in a 2015 essay that from 2005 to 2014 only 47 officers were charged for murder in cases relating to civilian death. There is some emerging evidence to suggest the percent of officers who face charges is increasing, though: In 2015, according to Stinson, 12 officers were charged with murder or manslaughter of civilians while on duty.

Police departments and local governments have been taking steps in recent years to hold police accountable. One proposal recommended by many, including President Obama's "Task Force on 21st Century Policing," includes the use of body cameras to record incidents that occur while an officer is on duty. In 2015 Congress allocated $22.5 million toward the distribution of body cameras to police.'

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/by-the-numbers-law-enforcement-and-violence/
OK - things are being done. That's good. However, it still goes on. In 2015 congress allocated $22.5million to body cameras. That officer wasn't wearing one. Ok. So it takes time to get everywhere up and running. He did have a dash cam which showed what went on (though admittedly not whether Philando was reaching for his weapon or his ID as he was asked to (according to his girlfriend).

Upshot is - it still happens and therefore people feel strongly enough to protest about it and again - potentially put their careers on the line.

I would've thought a fairly decent thing to do was to allow them the protest - even if most people are not going to give a shit - so that someone somewhere can.
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Religion, Politics, and Flame Wars / Re: Kneeling in the NFL
« Last post by Gusington on Today at 12:07:54 PM »
^You misplaced an 'off' up there somewhere...
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Religion, Politics, and Flame Wars / Re: Kneeling in the NFL
« Last post by bayonetbrant on Today at 12:06:20 PM »
If black people think black people are unfairly targeted by the police, being aware of this and NOT putting yourself into a situation like that might have helped. Then again it might not have.

Dude, I love you like a brother.  But please re-read what you just wrote here.  You're basically making my point for me.
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