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Current Events / Re: Massive Apartment Fire in London
« Last post by mirth on Today at 10:55:12 AM »
So - the latest is the cladding on 27 blocks of flats in England (so far) have failed fire safety tests  :idiot2:

Appalling and frightening.
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Current Events / Re: Massive Apartment Fire in London
« Last post by JudgeDredd on Today at 10:49:14 AM »
So - the latest is the cladding on 27 blocks of flats in England (so far) have failed fire safety tests  :idiot2:
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Current Events / Re: Massive Apartment Fire in London
« Last post by mirth on Today at 10:31:18 AM »
Detailed article on why Grenfell Tower burned so rapidly and intensely

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/world/europe/grenfell-tower-london-fire.html
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Bridge audio from the USS Porter collision in 2012.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/hamptonroadscom/store/3541.mp3
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Let me be clearer - we should not be allowing these few arseholes to dictate the terms of their war of hate. Period.
That is like saying we aren't going to let the drug cartels dictate how we combat drug trafficking. Of course they dictate the terms of their war. After all  they are waging it. All we can do is react unless you think we should start shooting muslims on site and nuking muslim countries just to kill the few who might attack us.
That depends on what you are categorising and omitting when you talk about the phrase "wage war".

I'm not just talking about the acts of violence and how they commit their crimes. I'm considering, within that statement, the fact that they want us to react against the Muslim faith and the Muslims around our country and within our communities. That's part of the way they are waging this war. They want us to react badly against them and there are elements of humanity around the globe that will do so. I can't really condemn that. It's a reaction. But it's the wrong reaction.

For every Muslim that's involved in hate crime because of a crime which is done in the name of a bastardised version of their faith, there's a potential terrorist. For every Muslim that's excluded from the community because of a crime which is done in the name of a bastardised version of their faith, there's a potential terrorist. For every Muslim who's child is verbally or physically abused at school because of a crime which is done in the name of a bastardised version of their faith, there's a potential terrorist.

Not to mention the spreading of that hate.

Leave "Muslim" out of it and replace it with Radicalised Islam. This will help individuals make a distinction between normal, every day Muslims and the terrorists that are trying to destroy the communities we have.

I think we have to view the attacks in the west like we would view organized crime, drug etc. They are here to stay and try to minimize their effect and go on with life
Absolutely - and one of the ways of minimising their effect on our lives is to prevent the splintering of humanity. Bond - don't push apart or divide. Bring together. Gel. Don't let the terrorist acts seep between the cracks.
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Let me be clearer - we should not be allowing these few arseholes to dictate the terms of their war of hate. Period.


That is like saying we aren't going to let the drug cartels dictate how we combat drug trafficking. Of course they dictate the terms of their war. After all  they are waging it. All we can do is react unless you think we should start shooting muslims on site and nuking muslim countries just to kill the few who might attack us.

I think we have to view the attacks in the west like we would view organized crime, drug etc. They are here to stay and try to minimize their effect and go on with life. In the US at least we accept 500 murders a year in a city without blinking an eye, the one today is forgotten tomorrow. You just sort of get use to them and live your life. So it will be with these.

In my lifetime there have been more then 10,000 gun murders in the city I live in/near and over 500,000 shot. One city.  Sure attacks that kill 50-100 at a time are horrible and get headlines but they don't happen 5-10 times a year in a given city. Nobody like the fact that 500 people get killed and 10,000 shot in a city but we don't suggest creating a police state to make us safe or rounding up anyone who looks like they might shoot someone. We live our lives.

Go to town in place like Syria and Iraq where there is actual warfare, hunt and kill them like the scum they are. They are there and they are known and if they want to go to Allah then we should help them meet him but on the home front concentrate on stopping a wmd attack and try our best to manage the problem because we will no more completely eliminate these soft target terror attacks than we will eliminate assault and robbery.
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We never learn from history.
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In a sign of the times here in Illinois, a Christian Church with an attached Grade School about one mile from my home shut down a few years ago.  It is now a Muslin Center.
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