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Forum-Based Games / Re: Latin Era GROGPUBLIC game thread
« Last post by JasonPratt on Today at 07:36:11 PM »
The aristocratic faction votes for.

1 influence to each of my senators.

Done, Cornelius now 9, Valerius now 6, Cincinnatus now 7. Total influence now 22. You'd need 26 currently to double your knights' voting power.

Aristocrats add 9 votes, making 21 votes pro, 0 votes con. 29 votes outstanding. Literally any other Faction, assuming its senators all vote together (which is a safe assumption since there's no benefit otherwise in this vote), will tip the scale to a majority for the Proposal.
I like SW but sweet baby jesus raptor! 

$50 for a 192 page core book?  Too pricey for my backing.  I'll just wait until they're going for 60% of that price after retail release.   :-"
Computer Wargaming / Re: AI War 2
« Last post by Nefaro on Today at 07:28:24 PM »
Doesn't the sequel have some shoddy looking 3D graphics, or am I thinking of a different series' sequel?

I kinda liked the aesthetic of the original AI War and it's hordes of 2D artistry.  Some games lose their visual personality when making the switch from 2d to 3d.   :-\
Computer Wargaming / Re: DCS Discussion
« Last post by Nefaro on Today at 07:22:37 PM »
Looks like a new Blue Flag event is starting this weekend with a Persian Gulf theater:

(EDIT:  There is a nice promo vid but YouTube took this opportunity to explode so I'll post later)

I regularly have someone's Twitch streams of it running in the background if I'm home, screwing around.  More interesting than most tv/streaming shows.  Dunno if I'll have my hardware re-mapped by then but they usually run for awhile.

Speaking of watching people blow each other up, just heard there are more DCS tourneys this month (Saturdays?) featuring a crew of announcers & external view streams of the clashes.   6v6 matches.  Earlier ones were entertaining.   :cowboy:
Forum-Based Games / Re: Latin Era GROGPUBLIC game thread
« Last post by IncompetentIdiot on Today at 07:21:18 PM »
The aristocratic faction votes for.

1 influence to each of my senators.
Computer Wargaming / Re: Combat Mission status
« Last post by Michael Dorosh on Today at 07:19:46 PM »
Ryan, the link you provided opens on another of Steve's f@##%# car analogies. You could at least warn a guy.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Computer Wargaming / Re: Combat Mission status
« Last post by -budd- on Today at 07:03:15 PM »
I don't really get to worked up about this stuff. I own Red Thunder and the Normandy Big Bundle and haven't really had any issues with upgrading or anything and the one time i did Steve was pretty quick on helping me out. I don't frequent their forums much at all but it certainly sounds as if he doesn't care if he gets and keeps customers. I agree he doesn't owe information about upcoming releases, EXCEPT when you take peoples money on a pre-order, that implies a certain obligation to keep them in the loop and keep them updated.

As a side note, i have the first three games, anyone get those games to use wide screen resolutions? I haven't been able to get them to work on my new laptop. I just cant play in that square box, love me some CMBB.
Forum-Based Games / Re: Latin Era GROGPUBLIC game thread
« Last post by JasonPratt on Today at 06:56:12 PM »
I've marked Papirius of the Conservatives as a priest, raising his Influence by 1 to 4, also raising the Conservatives' total Influence to 25.

While going around to check the remaining vote tallies (and whether any activist knights might count double pro or con, which currently won't happen, I happened to notice that the Aristocrats have farmed 3 extra Influence from 3 prior Influence gains! -- when any Aristo senator gains any amount of Influence, the Faction gains 1 extra Inf point to be distributed at I.I.'s choice to any other senator.

So, Cornelius and Cincinnatus each picked up 3 Influence when they each were elected Consul -- each time generated 1 extra Influence point. Cinc also earned 1 Influence for winning the Victory over the 1st Latin War; and even though he instantly lost it for his debacle of losing 3 Legions in the Victory, that still counts as 1 more Inf point to be distributed.

Thus in summary, I.I. has 2 Inf points he can distribute to anyone but Cinc, and 1 more Inf point he can distribute to anyone but Corny. I have left a marker as a reminder under his Total Influence marker, and I've upgraded it already to account for the extra influence meanwhile. It still isn't enough to activate his knights' x2 vote ability, but it's close!
October 14 - 16, 1918, The Fighting Irish at Landres-et-St Georges
The “Fighting 69th”, “Wild Bill” Donovan and Father Duffy.

In December, 1862, the New York 69th “Fighting Irish” (also called “The Fighting 69th") regiment lost half of its troops, trying to storm Marye's Heights at Fredericksburg, In October, 1918, the regiment renamed the 165th Infantry, lost nearly as many troops trying to take German fortified positions on the Hindenburg Line, at Landres-et-Saint Georges. Both attacks ultimately failed, but spoke to the bravery and proud history of the regiment.

Landres-et-St. Georges

The small French town of Landres-et-St. Georges, sat at the edge of Kreimhilde Stellung, the main defensive belt of the Hindenburg Line.  On October 14th, the AEF launched an offensive to break through the Hindenburg line. The 165th Infantry, the “Fighting Irish”, part of the 42nd Division, had the job of punching through the stellung at the town. This would be no easy job, the Kreimhilde Stellung included thick bands of barbed wire, strong points, bunkers and well defined fire zones.

US Army Center for Military History Map: AEF Offensive to pierce the Hindenburg Line, 14 – 16 October. In most locations the Germans stopped the Americans

US Intelligence Map of the Kreimhilde Stellung at Landres-et-St Georges. 165th line of advance and location of main fighting on October 14.  It would take the 42nd two more weeks to get to the town.

On 14 October, at 0830 hours, the 165th began its push to pierce the stellung. Almost immediately, it began to take heavy artillery fire, and machine gun fire from the Cote de Chatillon a fortified hillock on the regiments left flank. German aircraft had air superiority, and the regiment was strafed by fighters, while observation aircraft directed galling artillery fire. Like their ancestors, the regiment crossed open ground, as enemy fire tore large holes into their line.

Donovan led from the front, yelling “Come on Fellows”. When machine gun fire almost hit him, he told the men, “come on now, they can't hit me, and they won't hit you.”

Once the regiment hit the wire of the stellung, they had great difficulty making progress. Engineers attempted to cut through the wire, but were beaten back by enemy fire. A delayed attack by 9 tanks, did little to help with progress.

On the 15th, Donovan was hit in the knee and was evacuated. He briefly met Father Duffy, the regimental chaplain at the regimental headquarters. In his book, Father Duffy recalled the conversation: “Father, you are a disappointed man. You expected to have the pleasure of burying me over here.”  “I certainly did Bill, and you are a lucky dog to get off with nothing more than you've got.”

By the 16th the attack had failed. Father Duffy wrote:

“When the wire is deep, and still intact, and strongly defended, the infantry can do little but hang their heroic bodies on it. But we should not dwell on this. The most glorious day in the history of our regiment in the Civil War was Fredericksburg, where the Old 69th in the Irish Brigade failed to capture the impregnable position on Marye's Heights, though their dead with green sprigs in their caps lay in rows before it. Landres et St. Georges is our Fredericksburg and the Kriemhilde Stellung our Marye's Heights.”

It would take two weeks of fighting, pushing back German counter-attacks, sniping, and raiding, before the stellung.would be pierced at Landres et St Georges. Then, in a blow to the 165th, the 2nd Division was put into line, and made the final push on November 1st.

Google Street View of the Approx loc of the Kreimhilde Stellung before Landres St Georges. Looking south toward the advancing 165th.,5.0075618,3a,75y,179.04h,64.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPM_8OQF9m7um9-rmmQE6oQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Approximate location of 165th's attack. Looking NE towards the Cote de Chatillon, a fortified hillock that hit the regiments right flank.,5.0004244,3a,67y,84.63h,87.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUkNsSDfIW8ivZlmEMxf51w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The Fighting Irish and the 42nd Raibow Division

During the Civil War, the 69th New York Militia (“The Fighting Irish”) was one of the most storied regiments in the Union Army. The regiment was mostly recruited from Irish immigrants, and its leaders were Irish nationalists. The regiment started its fighting career at Bull Run. But it's most tragic and famous engagement was at Fredericksburg where the 69th lost half of its soldiers trying to take the stone wall at Marye's Heights, The 69th was at all of the major battles in the East up through 1863, but was disbanded after Chancellorsville and Gettysburg due to casualties.

During WWI, the 69th was renamed the 165th Infantry and made part of the 42nd Rainbow division. The Rainbow Division was given that name because it was made up units from 26  states, who covered the US like a “rainbow”.

42nd Rainbow Division Patch

One of the 69th's old Civil War rivals was also part of the 42nd Division. This was the Army of Northern Virginia's 4th Alabama, now named the 167th Infantry. The 69th NY and 4th Alabama, had been on opposite side of many of the same Civil War battlefields.

The 69th in WWI has often been referred to as a celebrity unit. During the war, it held three larger than life personalities:

“Wild Bill” Donovan: The 1st Battalion Commander, who would later go on to be America's spymaster, founder of the WWII era OSS, and later the CIA.
Here is Wild Bill Donovan's page at the CIA:

Wild Bill Himself

Father Francis Duffy: The chaplain who feats of bravery were legendary, and now has a statue on Times Square. Father Duffy's memorial:

Father Duffy

Sergeant Joyce Kilmer: A famous American poet, who wrote poetry before the Great War. His most famous poem, “Trees” starts: “I think I shall never see, a poem as lovely as a tree...” Joyce Kilmer never left France, he was killed by a sniper, while scouting a German machine gun position in July, 1918. He is buried in France. Some of Joyce Kilmer's WWI poetry.

Then there was Douglas MacArthur, the Division Chief of Staff and later Division Commander.
The Douglas MacArthur memorial has a nice podcast on the 69th at:


In 1940, Hollywood produced a major motion picture about the unit, “The Fighting 69th”. Stars Pat O'Brien as Father Duffy, and James Cagney as a skulker who spends most of the movie trying to avoid combat, but finally finds courage in the end. Well worth renting on some rainy afternoon.  The movie generally follows actual events. This clip shows the incident where the unit had its first major casualties, at Rouge Bouquet Farm in France.

Forum-Based Games / Re: Latin Era GROGPUBLIC game thread
« Last post by JasonPratt on Today at 06:40:35 PM »
Papirius can be raised to priesthood immediately.

OK, not certain exactly how this is done, but Camillus and Cincinnatus should be raised to Counsels, so they can go to war.

Treating this as a formal Proposal.

Henceforth, to speed things along a bit, I will allow a provisional assumption that if the HRAO doesn't include a voting order with his Proposal, then any Faction can vote as soon as they want. In other words, assigning a voting order is a privilege of the HRAO but not a necessity.

AzTank's senators tally 12 votes pro. There are currently 38 votes remaining.
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