Stellaris

[Rayfer]

Only have a short time into the 2.0 upgrade so I'm not going to say yet that it is broken or a step backward.  But unquestionably it is plays different now.  The 'no colonizing unless the planet is in your empire' change is huge.  Hope to put more time in today to see how it plays out.

[OJsDad]

Im not sure i am liking the fact that colonization can only be done inside your own empire........really slows things down.

I'm not sure it does slow the game down as much as I thought.  Before, you needed Influence to colonize a planet, whether it was inside or outside your borders.  Now you don't.  Instead, you need the influence to build an outpost first.  The cost of Influence to build and outpost is also cheaper, 48 base, instead of the 90 base needed for a colony pre 2.0. 

What may slow things down, is you have to outpost every system you want inside your boarders.  On the other hand, it seems like there are more resources per system.  Not a lot, but not really seeing system with no resources. 

[Steelgrave]

Im not sure i am liking the fact that colonization can only be done inside your own empire........really slows things down.

I'm not sure it does slow the game down as much as I thought.  Before, you needed Influence to colonize a planet, whether it was inside or outside your borders.  Now you don't.  Instead, you need the influence to build an outpost first.  The cost of Influence to build and outpost is also cheaper, 48 base, instead of the 90 base needed for a colony pre 2.0. 

What may slow things down, is you have to outpost every system you want inside your boarders.  On the other hand, it seems like there are more resources per system.  Not a lot, but not really seeing system with no resources.

That's a more optimistic take and makes me feel better about starting a new game today.

[solops]

This all pretty much confirms my pre-patch fears that they were massively mucking up the game. I have PLENTY of other great things to play while (if) they sort this out, so I will not waste my time on playing it...yet. It sounds like, at best, they might wind up with an OK game that is NOT the Stellaris we had or the one that I wanted to buy.

I have been wasting my time playing Civ4 with the new Caveman-2-Cosmos mod v38.1 for 8 hours+ a day for five days in a row. I love being retired. Awesome game, just reached the classical age yesterday ( playing on a sloooow speed ). However, I sense a disturbance in the force....my wife's patience seems to be...ummm...radiating some sort of non-verbal signals.

[bbmike]

This all pretty much confirms my pre-patch fears that they were massively mucking up the game. I have PLENTY of other great things to play while (if) they sort this out, so I will not waste my time on playing it...yet. It sounds like, at best, they might wind up with an OK game that is NOT the Stellaris we had or the one that I wanted to buy.

I have been wasting my time playing Civ4 with the new Caveman-2-Cosmos mod v38.1 for 8 hours+ a day for five days in a row. I love being retired. Awesome game, just reached the classical age yesterday ( playing on a sloooow speed ). However, I sense a disturbance in the force....my wife's patience seems to be...ummm...radiating some sort of non-verbal signals.

[Greybriar]

Im not sure i am liking the fact that colonization can only be done inside your own empire........really slows things down.

Sounds like a game breaker to me. I  won't bother playing Stellaris until that is changed.

[solops]

In my defense, I did hear her mutter something about "changing the world, one game at a time" during supper a day or two ago. That's good....right?

[Gusington]

^Absolutely.

Guess I will concentrate on learning Endless Space 2 instead of considering a Stellaris purchase.

[PanzersEast]

Im not sure i am liking the fact that colonization can only be done inside your own empire........really slows things down.

Sounds like a game breaker to me. I  won't bother playing Stellaris until that is changed.

Not really, you have to build Outpost to expand (there is no limit, just a minor cost), however I have not found more than three habitable planets in my immediate vicinity while playing.  I think I prefer the slow growth and focus on deciding where to expand through outpost and building stations to gather resources.  Once you find a neighbor, the rush is on to build Outpost along the border so you do not lose territories.  I cannot stand games where you have to a colonization rush, there is more time to explore and setup and through tech, you can colonize more planets within your domain. 

So far I have numerous Outpost and have +40 Energy and Minerals coming in..... have colonized my max 3 planets, and just about ready to get into a border dispute.

[Yskonyn]

I am not sure why we are having the 'they broke the game' discussion yet again, because we did discuss the exact same just a few weeks ago and concluded then, after pointing to several dev blogs about the nuances of 2.0, that the changes were not so game breaking after all.
Did you guys enter the Matrix or are you just grumpy and need something to bitch about regardless? :D

The nuance is there. Read the blogs and play the game.

[OJsDad]

Im not sure i am liking the fact that colonization can only be done inside your own empire........really slows things down.

Sounds like a game breaker to me. I  won't bother playing Stellaris until that is changed.

Not really, you have to build Outpost to expand (there is no limit, just a minor cost), however I have not found more than three habitable planets in my immediate vicinity while playing.  I think I prefer the slow growth and focus on deciding where to expand through outpost and building stations to gather resources.  Once you find a neighbor, the rush is on to build Outpost along the border so you do not lose territories.  I cannot stand games where you have to a colonization rush, there is more time to explore and setup and through tech, you can colonize more planets within your domain. 

So far I have numerous Outpost and have +40 Energy and Minerals coming in..... have colonized my max 3 planets, and just about ready to get into a border dispute.

+1

[Greybriar]

It wasn't really correct for me to post "Sounds like a game breaker to me. I  won't bother playing Stellaris until that is changed." I was thinking of space 4X games in general. I tried playing Stellaris last year, didn't care for it then, and haven't played it since. I was waiting for the game to be patched until it was something I would like to play. But it hasn't been and I simply do not like Stellaris.

Carry on and I won't intrude in this thread again until I have actually played this game again (which I doubt very much that I ever will).

P.S. Read my sig. ;)

[solops]

Carry on and I won't intrude in this thread again until I have actually played this game again (which I doubt very much that I ever will).

Oh, come on! Don't let a few facts ruin a perfectly good theory!

[Jarhead0331]

Personally, I am not enjoying it. I'm sure there is a wall to break through to positive somewhere, but I haven't found it yet. I'm finding expansion to be extremely frustrating. Without the ability to expand in the early game, its just f@cking boring. Without being able to expand, I'm barely able to defend myself against pirates, which further prevents me from expanding. I'm just not sure why they felt the need to totally restructure the game. Clearly many people enjoyed it as it was...furthermore, it took me damn near half an hour to figure out how to build naval vessels. Why the hell does the UI hide this build menu behind an obscure tab in the starbase menu? I can build civilian ships directly from the spaceport tab in the planet UI, but the only way to build military vessels is to select the starbase and find a hidden UI tab...WTF? It adds two or three clicks to perform a really common function...for what?

Anyway, despite trying to get into a groove with the game on three separate starts, they have only compelled me to go back to Polaris Sector, which I've played for about four or five hours since 2.0 was released.

[Jarhead0331]

Alright...perhaps I was a bit quick to judgment. I finally got a fair start and can't say I'm not enjoying myself... :-X