https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/saudi-arabia-suspends-trade-canada-ambassador-1.4775133
QuoteSaudi Arabia said on Sunday that it is ordering Canada's ambassador to leave the country and freezing all new trade and investment transactions with Canada in a spat over human rights.
"We consider the Canadian ambassador to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia persona non grata and order him to leave within the next 24 hours," Saudi Arabia's Foreign Ministry said on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/KSAmofaEN/status/1026241371361996800
This Saudi dude was kind of funny in an overall tragic situation
https://twitter.com/A_A_WAFI/status/1026354241886212096
Saudis now pitching fits
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2018/08/06/Saudi-suspends-scholarships-to-Canada-transfer-thousands-to-other-countries-.html
and worst of all, this one...
https://splinternews.com/saudi-state-media-posted-a-photo-that-sure-looks-like-a-1828149796
https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/status/1026473539573100544
Uh-oh. Somebody better put Dudley Dooright on full alert. ::)
I'm gobsmacked the world does business with that country anyway
I mean - I'm not really. Money talks. But still.
Let me re-phrase...
I'm ashamed the world does business with that country anyway
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 08, 2018, 07:02:42 AM
I'm gobsmacked the world does business with that country anyway
Didn't you read the tweet : Iran = Bad / Saudi Arabia = Good
They just bought a lot of very beautiful US weapons and they even let women drive.
If only the West would increase oil production so the Saudi's would not have such influence. Oh wait, the leftists hate oil production, pipelines and refineries and want to give the Saudi's more power.
On a more serious note, Canada is pretty much immune to Saudi pressure being a major oil exporter themselves. Canada spoke up about civil rights repression in general in Saudi Arabia and got their ambassador kicked out and other economic sanctions for the trouble. For whatever faults the Canadians have, they have been consistent supporters of basic human rights in other countries. They put their wallet where their hearts were and provoked this reaction.
My personal reaction, Thanks Canada! :smitten:
Quote from: airboy on August 08, 2018, 08:31:16 AM
If only the West would increase oil production become independent from oil so the Saudi's would not have such influence.
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 08, 2018, 08:47:33 AM
Quote from: airboy on August 08, 2018, 08:31:16 AM
If only the West would increase oil production become independent from oil so the Saudi's would not have such influence.
Pray tell how would you become "independent of oil?" I'm taking this as a mindless, knee-jerk leftist response.
Duh, going electric. Oh, wait, maybe not.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/827460/global-car-sales-by-fuel-technology/
1) Oil is used for more than just car fuel. Switching to electric cars or other alternative fuel, while still having the effect of greatly reducing oil dependence, would not be enough.
2) Have the Canadians apologized yet?
I mean, they are Canadians after all.
Quote from: airboy on August 08, 2018, 08:52:37 AM
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 08, 2018, 08:47:33 AM
Quote from: airboy on August 08, 2018, 08:31:16 AM
If only the West would increase oil production become independent from oil so the Saudi's would not have such influence.
Pray tell how would you become "independent of oil?" I'm taking this as a mindless, knee-jerk leftist response.
Even if you prefer to keep using oil, the reserves aren't limitless so eventually you will have to be oil independent.
For the climate the faster you do this the better (this will probably get a knee-jerk rightist response >:D)
With enough investments and research we can depend on solar, wind, water or other energy sources without using fossil fuel.
So not a mindless response but really the way I feel about this issue.
So your living a fossil fuel life now.
One of my favorite physics professors had the point of view that oil should be saved for all of the stuff we make out of it instead of burning it.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 07, 2018, 08:37:58 AM
This Saudi dude was kind of funny in an overall tragic situation
https://twitter.com/A_A_WAFI/status/1026354241886212096
Yeah. Hilarious.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2018, 10:50:47 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 07, 2018, 08:37:58 AM
This Saudi dude was kind of funny in an overall tragic situation
https://twitter.com/A_A_WAFI/status/1026354241886212096
Yeah. Hilarious.
Can you explain please. It is written in a dialect so I don't fully understand the nuances ;).
use Google Translate
Quote from: airboy on August 08, 2018, 08:52:37 AM
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 08, 2018, 08:47:33 AM
Quote from: airboy on August 08, 2018, 08:31:16 AM
If only the West would increase oil production become independent from oil so the Saudi's would not have such influence.
Pray tell how would you become "independent of oil?" I'm taking this as a mindless, knee-jerk leftist response.
I was in college from 79-87 right after the first oil crisis. My thesis advisor had started an energy center within our engineering department. He wrote a book comparing differing energy sources, based on objective calculations and practicality, and he taught a great class on the subject.
If I were president, I would make a Manhattan level project to eliminate our dependence on oil. I'm not a fan of big government spending, but our oil dependence is very costly.
How would I do this? The only place we should burn oil is for aircraft. There is no practical alternative for planes. Electricity should come from nuclear. Electric cars are not ready yet, but hydrogen or natural gas could work. There isn't yet the infrastructure, which is where to government would come in, building or subsidizing stations.
trailrunner 2020!
He'd have to have half his brain removed first.
3/4 bigly
TR, am I correct in that the biggest thing holding back electric vehicles is not being able to charge them wireless while driving.
Quote from: OJsDad on August 08, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
TR, am I correct in that the biggest thing holding back electric vehicles is not being able to charge them wireless while driving.
Not sure why they haven't addressed this issue in part through solar energy?
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2018, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on August 08, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
TR, am I correct in that the biggest thing holding back electric vehicles is not being able to charge them wireless while driving.
Not sure why they haven't addressed this issue in part through solar energy?
Toyota did have a Prius with solar panels at one point. I dont think they offer it any more.
Looks like Toyota brought them back.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2016/06/20/toyota-prius-plug-prime-solar-panel/amp/
Battery capacity is growing and evolving every year. BMW is introducing wireless charging with pads in Europe this year, coming to America next year.
Trailrunner - I understand your point of view. There is another factor.
High population density countries can go off of oil for transportation far easier than spread out countries. For example, Pete's country (Belgium) has relatively high population density in a small geographic area. The USA is continent wide and has far less population density. The more diffuse the population, the harder it is to have transportation solutions without oil.
My physics professor always stated that Nuclear Power largely used stuff with no other value to man to generate power. Oil is amazingly useful in chemicals and plastics.
Quote from: OJsDad on August 08, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
TR, am I correct in that the biggest thing holding back electric vehicles is not being able to charge them wireless while driving.
Sort of. The biggest problem is that they can't be charged fast. When my gas tank goes empty, it takes me 10 minutes to fill it up and I'm good for another 300 miles. We can't charge our batteries that fast. Wirelessly charging while driving sounds good, but I don't know much about that.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2018, 01:19:47 PM
Not sure why they haven't addressed this issue in part through solar energy?
I haven't done the math for that particular case, but from what I recall from my class 35 years ago is a) there isn't that much energy in sunlight and b) the conversion efficiency of solar cells is poor (around 20 percent I think).
Quote from: airboy on August 08, 2018, 03:58:01 PM
Trailrunner - I understand your point of view. There is another factor.
High population density countries can go off of oil for transportation far easier than spread out countries. For example, Pete's country (Belgium) has relatively high population density in a small geographic area. The USA is continent wide and has far less population density. The more diffuse the population, the harder it is to have transportation solutions without oil.
My physics professor always stated that Nuclear Power largely used stuff with no other value to man to generate power. Oil is amazingly useful in chemicals and plastics.
Sure, in the wide open west it would be a hard transition, but not impossible. As I said, I'm a libertarian at heart and don't like big government, but this is the thing I would force to happen.
Oil is a good chemical feed stock. So is coal, so I'd convert our coal industry into the chemical feed industry. America would be almost self-reliant.
Quote from: airboy on August 08, 2018, 08:31:16 AM
...Canada spoke up about civil rights repression in general in Saudi Arabia and got their ambassador kicked out and other economic sanctions for the trouble. For whatever faults the Canadians have, they have been consistent supporters of basic human rights in other countries. They put their wallet where their hearts were and provoked this reaction.
The Trudeau government has been pretty inconsistent on human rights issues. They refused to condemn the UN's move to put the Saudis on the HR commission. They blocked motions in the Commons to recognize the Yazedi genocide being carried out by ISIS. They've been reluctant to condemn, let alone act against various terrorist groups around the globe and are often seen to be somewhat sympathize towards them. Trudeau has made remarks talking of his admiration of dictatorships such as China and dictators like Castro. He's met and supported people with ties to Sikh and Muslim terror groups (and gives some nice cash payouts and welcomes them back to Canada with open arms and poetry classes after they've been caught fighting overseas.)
Solar technology, like electric cars, wireless charging and battery capacity, is another area that improves year by year. Current solar tech can't be compared to the solar tech of 35 years ago - it is exponentially better. So much so that solar adopters regularly put electricity back in to the grid and get paid by their local utility for doing so. Source: my current job where I am required to sort of thing.
Quote from: airboy on August 08, 2018, 10:47:46 AM
One of my favorite physics professors had the point of view that oil should be saved for all of the stuff we make out of it instead of burning it.
He's right. Just like the idea of peak oil, there is also a greater likelihood of peak human expansion resource material potential, after which we will no be able to colonize other planets because we will have used too much of the resources needed to do so in just feeding and housing and maintaining an unsustainable human population growth. No more raw materials for technology means no more spaceflight. We will eventually die on this rock.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/08/saudi-arabia-is-selling-off-its-canadian-assets-as-row-intensifies-re.html
Back on the topic, the Saudi's are ordering their managers to sell all Canadian Assets. They are also removing all Saudi patients from Canadian Hospitals.
Weirdly, Trump has not tweeted about this, yet. >:D
Sounds like a category four hissy fit.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/the_americas/us-eu-seek-details-of-saudi-arrests-but-dodge-canada-spat/2018/08/07/dfb8cf00-9a59-11e8-a8d8-9b4c13286d6b_story.html
I can't wait to see what Trump tweets about this. I will probably be waiting a really long time.
At the risk of losing friends here, I second what SDR said. I have no love for the Saudis but Canada under Trudeau has turned a blind eye to practically everything done by ISIS, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, on and on and on. But when Saudis threaten a Canadian citizen, or the wife of a Canadian citizen, THAT gets their condemnation alright. Trudeau should stand-up for his citizens along with everybody else threatened by Tyrants anywhere as we all should. Be consistent or be quiet. My 2 cents.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2018, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on August 08, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
TR, am I correct in that the biggest thing holding back electric vehicles is not being able to charge them wireless while driving.
Not sure why they haven't addressed this issue in part through solar energy?
Gameleaper could have explained that to you. :-"
Quote from: bbmike on August 09, 2018, 06:51:13 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2018, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on August 08, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
TR, am I correct in that the biggest thing holding back electric vehicles is not being able to charge them wireless while driving.
Not sure why they haven't addressed this issue in part through solar energy?
Gameleaper could have explained that to you. :-"
A typical solar installation residential is about 5 kilowatts and is based on the nominal output of the individual solar panels.
A small car uses an AC motor that pulls 43KW peak, 14KW continuous from your electric car's batteries.
A large car uses an AC motor which pulls 78KW peak, 34KW continuous.
E.g. the Nissan LEAF had an 80kW motor.
I guess this means even a residential installation can't provide the energy for an electric car and why participants of the Solar Race look like this :
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lc.nl%2Fimages%2Fj0reis-nuna.jpg%2FALTERNATES%2FWIDE_768%2Fnuna.jpg&hash=0d2c0d4aa796a52adacd6e53ec792f9e7db4bc97)
The solution will be batteries with higher capacity and fast reloading times.
and that's waaaaaaaaay off-topic from where our usual diplomatic row is
https://www.thedailybeast.com/40-dead-many-of-them-children-after-saudi-attack-in-yemen?ref=home
Dozens of Yemeni civilians, most of them children, were killed Thursday when an airstrike by U.S.-backed Saudi Arabian fores hit a bus in the rebel-held city of Dahyan, according to sources from the International Red Cross cited by The Guardian.
More than 10,000 people have been killed during the three-year conflict, which has left millions of Yemenis on the brink of starvation as Saudi forces have imposed a strict blockade on key ports for food.
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 09, 2018, 11:16:09 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/40-dead-many-of-them-children-after-saudi-attack-in-yemen?ref=home
Dozens of Yemeni civilians, most of them children, were killed Thursday when an airstrike by U.S.-backed Saudi Arabian fores hit a bus in the rebel-held city of Dahyan, according to sources from the International Red Cross cited by The Guardian.
More than 10,000 people have been killed during the three-year conflict, which has left millions of Yemenis on the brink of starvation as Saudi forces have imposed a strict blockade on key ports for food.
You no doubt prefer to support the Houthi rebels who are backed by Iran and Hezbollah, and who launch missiles into the middle of Saudi cities. I didn't see you posting anything about that.
Whatever it takes for you to be critical of the US and Trump. O0
The Saudi's ordered all students studying in Canada to return home. The Saudi's have a big government program to pay for college abroad.
The Saudi's also banned grain imports from Canada. This has a trivial impact, except for barley. The Saudi's buy 7% of Canadian barley exports.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 09, 2018, 12:18:02 PM
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 09, 2018, 11:16:09 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/40-dead-many-of-them-children-after-saudi-attack-in-yemen?ref=home
Dozens of Yemeni civilians, most of them children, were killed Thursday when an airstrike by U.S.-backed Saudi Arabian fores hit a bus in the rebel-held city of Dahyan, according to sources from the International Red Cross cited by The Guardian.
More than 10,000 people have been killed during the three-year conflict, which has left millions of Yemenis on the brink of starvation as Saudi forces have imposed a strict blockade on key ports for food.
You no doubt prefer to support the Houthi rebels who are backed by Iran and Hezbollah, and who launch missiles into the middle of Saudi cities. I didn't see you posting anything about that.
Whatever it takes for you to be critical of the US and Trump. O0
Most countries in the region are not OK but claiming Iran is the enemy and ignoring all the Saudis are doing (e.g. funding Salafism in Europe) is not correct.
I don't support any rebel group but the 3 million who are starving can't all be rebels and still the Saudis block all foreign aid.
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 09, 2018, 08:14:33 AM
The solution will be batteries with higher capacity and fast reloading times.
there is already a chemical battery with high capacity and good energy per kg ratio and ultra fast reloading times
the battery is called "fuel" and the reloading is called "filling up" ;D
you only have to produce the fuel with solar energy and with CO2 taken out of the atmosphere
ethanol from plants/bacteria for example
but i would not be astonished if there is already a 'reactor' invented which can transforms CO2 gas and water directly into ethanol given enuf electrical energy and some rare special catalysts materials ...problem is such a droplet of fuel costs way to much atm
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 09, 2018, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 09, 2018, 12:18:02 PM
Quote from: Pete Dero on August 09, 2018, 11:16:09 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/40-dead-many-of-them-children-after-saudi-attack-in-yemen?ref=home
Dozens of Yemeni civilians, most of them children, were killed Thursday when an airstrike by U.S.-backed Saudi Arabian fores hit a bus in the rebel-held city of Dahyan, according to sources from the International Red Cross cited by The Guardian.
More than 10,000 people have been killed during the three-year conflict, which has left millions of Yemenis on the brink of starvation as Saudi forces have imposed a strict blockade on key ports for food.
You no doubt prefer to support the Houthi rebels who are backed by Iran and Hezbollah, and who launch missiles into the middle of Saudi cities. I didn't see you posting anything about that.
Whatever it takes for you to be critical of the US and Trump. O0
Most countries in the region are not OK but claiming Iran is the enemy and ignoring all the Saudis are doing (e.g. funding Salafism in Europe) is not correct.
I don't support any rebel group but the 3 million who are starving can't all be rebels and still the Saudis block all foreign aid.
I don't ignore the Saudis and I have always found the close US diplomatic relationship with the Kingdom of Saud troubling. Still, you always find a way to make it seem as if the US (or at least Donald Trump) is responsible for all of the world's ills. Just give it a rest.
The biggest impact will be in our health care. The Saudis send hundreds of people to Canada to train up as doctors. So with this move, our system will lose a fair number of interns and resident doctors (who practice medicine under supervision until they become full blown doctors).
Another one on the plus side is that all the eco-loons will lose face as they opposed the pipeline that would take oil from western Canada to refineries in the east.
Quote from: Windigo on August 09, 2018, 03:39:37 PM
Another one on the plus side is that all the eco-loons will lose face as they opposed the pipeline that would take oil from western Canada to refineries in the east.
Did someone hack this account? How do I report this to the mods? Windy used the term "eco-loons." Can't be Windy.
We're on it...it's a cloaked account out of Houston.
I love rollin' coal, 32oz prime rib steaks, an' the Texas Rangers..... oh wait... the mic is live?
GET IM
"Eco-Loons". Aren't they in the CFL?
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 09, 2018, 10:09:30 PM
"Eco-Loons". Aren't they in the CFL?
And you win Grogheads for the day! :2funny:
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 09, 2018, 10:09:30 PM
"Eco-Loons". Aren't they in the CFL?
still a better version of football than what you guys have letting the roid-apes loose on a puny field.
Quote from: Windigo on August 10, 2018, 04:29:03 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 09, 2018, 10:09:30 PM
"Eco-Loons". Aren't they in the CFL?
still a better version of football than what you guys have letting the roid-apes loose on a puny field.
You let Jonny Manziel in your league. I wouldn't be so smug.
Montreal Alouettes ARE the eco-loons.
And they're Canadian. So that make them your eco-loons
Quote from: OJsDad on August 10, 2018, 05:33:41 PM
Quote from: Windigo on August 10, 2018, 04:29:03 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 09, 2018, 10:09:30 PM
"Eco-Loons". Aren't they in the CFL?
still a better version of football than what you guys have letting the roid-apes loose on a puny field.
You let Jonny Manziel in your league. I wouldn't be so smug.
Oh snap! :clap:
Oh yeah. You'd never catch the Saudis letting Johnny Manziel play in their Polo Matches. Tom Brady maybe.
Quote from: Gusington on August 09, 2018, 04:43:47 PM
We're on it...it's a cloaked account out of Houston.
I know funny, and that's funny!
Quote from: Windigo on August 10, 2018, 08:32:30 PM
Montreal Alouettes ARE the eco-loons.
Excellent retort!
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 10, 2018, 09:49:44 PM
Oh yeah. You'd never catch the Saudis letting Johnny Manziel play in their Polo Matches. Tom Brady maybe.
Only because Johnny is 20% bourbon....
You got me there Cent40. :coolsmiley:
Quote from: Centurion40 on August 11, 2018, 08:05:17 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 10, 2018, 09:49:44 PM
Oh yeah. You'd never catch the Saudis letting Johnny Manziel play in their Polo Matches. Tom Brady maybe.
Only because Johnny is 20% bourbon....
BTW... welcome back