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Very cool! O0 O0
Downloading it now. I emailed the devs through their support email saying I bought up to WOFF 3 in the past few months and they emailed a nice 25% off coupon.
I'm going to install the game from scratch instead of installing it over the older version.
Nice series, but $65 too steep for me, especially with how much time I would likely get out of it right now...maybe a future sale
Quote from: WallysWorld on October 19, 2016, 05:20:00 PM
Downloading it now. I emailed the devs through their support email saying I bought up to WOFF 3 in the past few months and they emailed a nice 25% off coupon.
I'm going to install the game from scratch instead of installing it over the older version.
I'm on the fence for the moment on this. I'd like your impressions after you get some stick time in.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 19, 2016, 05:59:18 PM
Nice series, but $65 too steep for me, especially with how much time I would likely get out of it right now...maybe a future sale
Actually, if your a new buyer, deal not that bad since it includes all expansions and such....just can't forget you also have to find and buy MS Combat Sim 3 to use with it.
One of the best single-player dynamic campaigns out there. This and the one in Falcon 4 are about as good as it gets.
The whole theater is going about it's business of war, while you're flying about with your squadron mates doing missions. But it has some great little details. Such as the difference between the way German and Allied AA gun bursts look: from all the pilot accounts I've read from the time, the German AA bursts had dark colored smoke, while allied ones were white-ish. The observation balloons are a proper distance behind the lines (not too close). The devs obviously did their homework studies.
Another huge pro is how AI pilots work. They're not T1000 model Terminators. If things look bad, or they get wounded, they attempt to escape. WOFF also has many ace pilots, and their specific aircraft skins, included. You know you're in for a helluva fight when you see a flashy-colored craft fly by on the merge. In a dogfight with three Red & Green Albatros fighters? Or Richthofen's Flying Circus itself? It's gonna be a nail biter. Love this stuff.
The biggest Con I have with WOFF is the same as that of the Falcon 4 mods. It's built on top of an antique and rickety old flight sim. In the case of WOFF, that means it can only use one CPU to run the game. That means a sizable portion of the West Front will have a huge amount of flights, doing their own & varied missions, while the ground units are shooting at each other and firing artillery. You need a good processor with high single core speed, because there's a LOT being processed while you fly. I didn't experience this limitation much until I started pumping up the usual graphics setting hogs, such as Anti-Aliasing and Shadows.
I think a more sizable chunk of the gfx setting load is placed on the CPU, in WOFF, compared to newer games. That old game engine just didn't have as much of the gfx load handed off to your video card, and it's still the case.
I also had some trouble using my HOTAS setup, since it has more buttons & hats than that old engine originally supported. But I dug around and found the hardware settings to resolve the issue.
I could've just stuck to ROF and been happy with my WWI flight sim experience. Especially regarding multi-player, and better looking graphics. But those who fancy themselves history geeks, want a proper World War I war going on below, and don't mind the old game engine limitations, will find enjoyment in this. I like the dynamic campaign more than that weird Spawn-Bubble thing in ROF. Obviously you gotta have an extra interest in the WWI air war (I do). So keep that in mind.
With all that said, I only ever picked up the core game and one or two expansions. The earlier war stuff just never interested me. I've also not played it in over a year, so there have certainly been more little improvements.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 19, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
....just can't forget you also have to find and buy MS Combat Sim 3 to use with it.
Is that still so? The install/troubleshoot FAQ (http://www.overflandersfields.com/Downloads/FAQ%20WOFF%20UE.pdf) on the WOFF site doesn't mention CSF3 at all.
Is there a beginners guide available? I tried playing months ago and made very little progress in a week or two...I just wish sucked, crashing on take off, etc. I want to love this game a bad.
Quote from: Staggerwing on October 19, 2016, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 19, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
....just can't forget you also have to find and buy MS Combat Sim 3 to use with it.
Is that still so? The install/troubleshoot FAQ (http://www.overflandersfields.com/Downloads/FAQ%20WOFF%20UE.pdf) on the WOFF site doesn't mention CSF3 at all.
I would find it odd if it didn't require it since don't know how legally they could somehow include it now
Looks like it is still required.
"You are required to own Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3 and a PC and the requirements above for WOFF UE."
WOFF requirements (http://www.overflandersfields.com/requirements.html)
Quote from: WallysWorld on October 19, 2016, 08:47:48 PM
Looks like it is still required.
"You are required to own Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3 and a PC and the requirements above for WOFF UE."
WOFF requirements (http://www.overflandersfields.com/requirements.html)
Thanks...thought that was still the case, although would have been great if it wasn't
I humorously just found my old CFS 3 and early OFF disks this week while cleaning out my storage shed.
Price on this one is a bit too rich for my blood right now though.
Seems lot a good number of folks angered that no upgrade path was provided for previous owners, especially since version 3 wasn't that old. Yes, you can get a little discount if you purchased since July, but doesn't appear to be good enough for some. I can kind of see their point, but in the end they don't have to buy this version, but will miss out on some of the enhancements. If they bought all the prior versions and content prior to July, I can understand $65 being a bit steep for some enhancements
It seems kind of strange there is no upgrade for current users. It's kind of a stiff arm to people that have been loyal and bought everything else. They are basically making all those people rebuy everything they already bought just to get a few upgrades.
My dream game would be having the WOFF campaign and attention to detail combined with Rise of Flight. As it is, both seem inadequate because of the other (campaign and realism in WOFF vs graphics and flight model of ROF).
Quote from: RyanE on October 20, 2016, 07:00:05 AM
It seems kind of strange there is no upgrade for current users. It's kind of a stiff arm to people that have been loyal and bought everything else. They are basically making all those people rebuy everything they already bought just to get a few upgrades.
That sucks. Think I spent around $100 on WOFF + expansions two years ago.
I don't plan on re-purchasing for another $65. >:( Have FAR too many games yet to be given proper time to keep purchasing the same one over & over.
Actually a dev just replied on the Simhq forum that anyone that WOFF 3 can email their support address and they should get a discount.
"However as a sign of goodwill we have extended the discount to any WOFF 3 owner. Please contact support with your WOFF 3 order details and we will organise a discount for you."
Simhq forum WOFF thread (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4304733#ixzz4NeAAHgQV)
I have held off this game for ages, mainly because I wanted to see how it matured.... I have to say the current price is not bad for all expansions and to have one nice install package. I will probably pick this up this weekend, nothing like dynamic campaigns!
PE
Quote from: bboyer66 on October 20, 2016, 07:42:59 AM
My dream game would be having the WOFF campaign and attention to detail combined with Rise of Flight. As it is, both seem inadequate because of the other (campaign and realism in WOFF vs graphics and flight model of ROF).
Agree 100%. I can't play one without soon feeling the absence of all the great things the other offers.
It's a good price, but I've already bought this game twice, plus the expansions. I'm not sure how much WOFF3 brings to the table over 2.
However, I second everything Nefaro said; this is a fantastic game. The UI and configuration is a hassle (IMO) but if you can get over that, there is a ton of gaming in there.
Quote from: Staggerwing on October 19, 2016, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 19, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
....just can't forget you also have to find and buy MS Combat Sim 3 to use with it.
Is that still so? The install/troubleshoot FAQ (http://www.overflandersfields.com/Downloads/FAQ%20WOFF%20UE.pdf) on the WOFF site doesn't mention CSF3 at all.
I might consider it if they have broken the tie to CSF3
I got CFS3 from this website: CFS3 download or purchase (http://www.old-games.com/download/6809/combat-flight-simulator-3-battle)
It works with WOFF for me as some said the DVD or CD is also needed.
Quote from: WallysWorld on October 21, 2016, 03:13:19 PM
I got CFS3 from this website: CFS3 download or purchase (http://www.old-games.com/download/6809/combat-flight-simulator-3-battle)
It works with WOFF for me as some said the DVD or CD is also needed.
Sorry, but I'm not sure that site looks entirely legit.....
Quote from: ArizonaTank on October 21, 2016, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on October 19, 2016, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 19, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
....just can't forget you also have to find and buy MS Combat Sim 3 to use with it.
Is that still so? The install/troubleshoot FAQ (http://www.overflandersfields.com/Downloads/FAQ%20WOFF%20UE.pdf) on the WOFF site doesn't mention CSF3 at all.
I might consider it if they have broken the tie to CSF3
I know I'm in the minority but I really do like CFS3, warts and all. I have the Mediterranean Air War add-on which is a very impressive piece of work as well as the Firepower aircraft add-ons. I consider CFS3 to be a pretty good replacement for Microprose's European Air War. It is just very easy to jump in a fly a mission. I can live with the graphics. Hell, I still fly a number of sims with older gfx tech than CFS3. I'm here for the gameplay, not the eye candy.
I have WOFF1 and my big complaint with that is that they should have left the CFS3 UI alone. I actually retrofitted some of the standard CFS3 menus back in so I could fly quick missions and such. I don't always want to sit down and fly a campaign mission. I'm not sure what they did with WOFF2/3.
I will probably get this. I just know my system may get cranky trying to run it since they obviously pushed up the graphics quality as much as they could with the CFS3 engine.
So far I am really digging it... I have completed 2 Patrols and a training flight. We took of on a training flight and as we flew around the weather started to get worse.... as you can see in the last picture our visibility started to drop.
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I'm also enjoying the game very much. Just flew my second training flight with the RFC which was at night and it was a bit tricky trying to follow the lead plane when you can barely see him. I'm not using any HUD or flying aids.
I've waited all this time also, wonder if my PC will hand it, and where exactly is my CFS3 disk?
Hmm I have WOFF version 2, so appears I'm not eligible for any kind of discount. It's tempting though. I have no doubt the full package is worth $65 but not sure I can justify the purchase at the moment.
But inspired by this thread, fired up WOFF for the first time in many months last night. Yikes -- I had forgotten how much of a pain in the a$$ setting up your flightstick is. The in-game mapping options are ridiculously limited, and not sure I have the patience to set things up using Saitek's software...
Quote from: sandman2575 on October 25, 2016, 09:57:53 AM
Hmm I have WOFF version 2, so appears I'm not eligible for any kind of discount. It's tempting though. I have no doubt the full package is worth $65 but not sure I can justify the purchase at the moment.
But inspired by this thread, fired up WOFF for the first time in many months last night. Yikes -- I had forgotten how much of a pain in the a$$ setting up your flightstick is. The in-game mapping options are ridiculously limited, and not sure I have the patience to set things up using Saitek's software...
I kinda want to pick up the new version, but I haven't checked requirements. Are you saying that if you don't already own ALL the DLC, then there's no discount? Aw well.. I wasn't going to be playing it again anytime soon, since being into other stuff, so I'll worry about it long into the future when I get the urge again.
My only real concern is that the game + two DLCs I bought in the last three years may have been left with the occasional annoying bug and won't be updated anymore. The usual issue with re-release editions. :-\
Doesn't hurt to email their support address and ask for a discount. Tell them what you own and provide screenshots of any receipts that you still have.
One of the dev's posted on the simhq WOFF forum:
"The discount will vary slightly depending on when you bought WOFF3 and what else you bought at that time, best to contact support with your WOFF3 order."
Simhq forum WOFF thread (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4306041#ixzz4O7uJNPPv)
Quote from: WallysWorld on October 25, 2016, 02:24:20 PM
Doesn't hurt to email their support address and ask for a discount. Tell them what you own and provide screenshots of any receipts that you still have.
One of the dev's posted on the simhq WOFF forum:
"The discount will vary slightly depending on when you bought WOFF3 and what else you bought at that time, best to contact support with your WOFF3 order."
Simhq forum WOFF thread (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4306041#ixzz4O7uJNPPv)
Good to know - thanks!
Just an FYI that one of the developer posted that they are working on a World War 2 sim:
"Well I am sure many have guessed we are using our WOFFUE engine/systems to develop a WW2 Combat Flight sim.
Wings Over The Reich - or as we call it in-house WOTR.
This will follow the exact same lines as OFF/WOFF/WOFFUE in that it will be a phased release.
The intention is that it will eventually encompass the whole of WW2 and will be centered in Europe.
From the Battle of France, Battle of Britain to the massive day and night raids over Germany and German held territories.
The intention is that players will be able to play either side in fighter or bomber squadrons and will have and will build on many of the SP features of WOFFUE.
Aircraft models are all new high poly hi res textured aircraft with even more realistic DM than what is currently in WOFFUE
The world will be alive as will the theater change over time until very little of the main European cities is left.... again much like WOFFUE that has the frontlines moving and devastated tracts of land building up over time."
Sim HQ's WOFF forum (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4314509#ixzz4Qww3RTTa)
I would buy VR for a WWII version of WOFF. Wow, awesome news!
Man, this is really good news!
WOFF is probably the best flight sim I've played since Falcon 4. There is certainly a void for the single player WW2 flight sim genre.
I don't want to get all excited, but if these guys can pull off something close to WOFF in WW2 it will be pretty epic. I'm talking about the immersive, dynamic campaign of course.
I just wonder how long they can go on requiring CFS engine versus somehow getting away from that...thinking over time might be harder and harder for some to find, especially newer players.
True. Does GOG every buy up MS games? I imagine not, but that would be the best case.
It might make more sense for the devs to try and license the use of the CFS3 game engine. I doubt MS would ever actually sell it but they might figure it was better to get a few bucks on each copy of WOFF rather than nothing at all from all the copies of CFS3 still floating around for sale on places like eBay.
Just an FYI that a new update/patch was just released this week for WOFF UE that adds a new flyable plane.
"The aircraft will be a Fokker D.VI with the Oberursel UR-II 110 hp engine."
Plus they are also working on an addon that will include upgrading the scenery. Screenshots are in the thread.
WOFF UE 4.22a update and scenery addon info (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4473922/update-4-22a-work-in-progress-fokker-d-vi-free-and-more#Post4473922)
Speaking of...how is Wings Over the Reich coming along? Heard they recently added the Spitfire...is it worth getting yet?
I have both of them and fly them pretty regular. The planes and the terrain look great, but you'll notice the engines age in the effects, especially when comparing to Il2 BOX. The AI is a lot of fun to dogfight against and is more dynamic and human like than iL2 BOX. The controls setup is below modern standards. If il2 had this type of AI, i'd probably uninstall and banish these games away forever, but they don't so I keep coming back to the WOFF/WOTR series periodically.
I haven't bought WOTR yet and probably won't until I replace my 9 year old computer later this fall. I heard it's quite a bit more taxing on your system WOFF UE.
Bought WOTR on day one and yes it's amazing how good it looks! It runs great with the exception that sometimes in big dogfights the game would stutter somewhat and my rig will run DCS on high settings with no problems. I had to uninstall the game after a couple months though. I could not get a grip on the flight model for some strange reason. I was constantly going into stalls without even trying even on the easiest flight model in-game. I queried about it in the tech section of the forum and only a couple other people seem to have had that problem. Most said that they had a hard time even getting their plane to stall. I've tried both of my sticks and even used the stick software to play with dead zones and the like but no success.
Even in WOFF UE I can handle the flight model with only the occasional stall and never had this problem in all the other FSims like DCS etc. Its' a shame because the AI really is fantastic. Maybe someday I will give the game another shot.