Civil War FPS on kickstarter. Not sure if this has been discussed before, but it looks interesting:
(Oh, greetz, fellas: first post - yay!)
I saw your name and I thought, "Man, I haven't seen IronX around in like forever."
That game looks pretty neat.
Hey IronX! Welcome to Grogheads!
IronX! Yeah, I remember you from the other place where I lurked more.
As to a Civil War FPS. Nope. Reenacting, especially as an officer has ruined this. I do it for real 8 weekends a year.
IronX - where the hell have you been??
Quote from: SirAndrewD on October 17, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
IronX! Yeah, I remember you from the other place where I lurked more.
As to a Civil War FPS. Nope. Reenacting, especially as an officer has ruined this. I do it for real 8 weekends a year.
Wow, that must be super killer fun! Do you have any pics are anything you can share? I'd love to hear more about what that's like; seeing one of those reenactments is on my short list of things I must do while I'm on the east coast.
Thanks guys: good to be home!
And while I'm sharing vids, check this one out for IL2:
Hey IronX. :)
I really enjoyed your Long War Mod and Arab Israeli Mod that you did with Squad Battles. Great work. Have you done any more mods since? O0
Quote from: Toonces on October 17, 2015, 06:29:13 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on October 17, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
IronX! Yeah, I remember you from the other place where I lurked more.
As to a Civil War FPS. Nope. Reenacting, especially as an officer has ruined this. I do it for real 8 weekends a year.
Wow, that must be super killer fun! Do you have any pics are anything you can share? I'd love to hear more about what that's like; seeing one of those reenactments is on my short list of things I must do while I'm on the east coast.
Pictures and stories? Tons of them. I'm not one of the East Coast boys, they are very solid and I've got a lot of friends and compatriots out there, but they do things a bit differently, and a lot sometimes better than how we are in the deep southeast. Not to say we don't take pride in what we do here. I have particular pride that my boys in my Company are the best.
But yeah, I'm an Alabama/Georgia reenactor, so lots of dismounted Cavalry and skirmishes rather than the big marquee battles like Gettysburg. My unit is the 6th Alabama Cavalry Company B/10th Indiana Cavalry Company F. I don't want to hijack IronX's thread, but yeah, I've got more than a decade and more than a few dollars in the hobby, so games like this are kind of lost on me.
Once I made company commander it got even more wild. Now every few weekends I actually get to wargame for real, responding to real situations, with real people under my command from a first person perspective. It's essentially the pinnacle of the wargamer hobby.
And ok, just one picture of me commanding my boys at 150th Selma...
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Impressive pic! Have you made any videos?
That fire behind you looks serious.
Quote from: Boggit on October 17, 2015, 08:07:27 PM
Impressive pic! Have you made any videos?
Other people have. I've been too busy to take pictures or videos. There's a a few videos where you can see my arm while we assault the works at 150th Atlanta. I fell in as a Private in the 4th Georgia Infantry for that one, and it was amazing.
Quote from: Gusington on October 17, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
That fire behind you looks serious.
Making that fire was serious business. It was not a cool day by any stretch of the imagination for one. We actually fired the cabin with real torches, but someone dropped theirs back behind the trees before they could run up and toss their torch in the window. The torch set fire to the grass and spread, very fast to an SUV that was hidden behind the treeline. I had to get my company to perform fire brigade duty, fast, and put out the blaze, and then form up and go into battle where we assaulting the Confederate right flank. The blaze on the cabin was so hot we had to unbutton or strip jackets, it was probably 130F or more on the field just from the fire plus the humidity and clear skies and sun.
So yeah, not to hijack this....
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=15133.0
Lets keep to the discussion of the game here and welcome IronX with open arms.
Want to talk about reenacting, I've got that above. 10 plus years of answers for those that want to do that hobby. ;)
Political correctness run amok. It wasn't a war of states rights..it was a war to keep slavery. I will stay away from this game, for this reason.
Quote from: DennisS on October 18, 2015, 01:48:55 PM
Political correctness run amok. It wasn't a war of states rights..it was a war to keep slavery. I will stay away from this game, for this reason.
Loser.
Quote from: DennisS on October 18, 2015, 01:48:55 PM
Political correctness run amok. It wasn't a war of states rights..it was a war to keep slavery. I will stay away from this game, for this reason.
That like not seeing a movie just because of the political leanings of an actor
But to each his own
Geez, guys, lighten up already. :(
Quote from: Toonces on October 18, 2015, 07:02:44 PM
Geez, guys, lighten up already. :(
Quite. I keep politics and my hobbies separate for a reason.
And at this point, games have run out of names anyway. This might as well be called "Battle of Combat and Victory, War of Rebellion and States."
I didn't agree with the tone of the post injecting politics in, but name-calling don't seem like the real response there. I think the name of the game seems accurate--both sides were fighting around questions of rights, they were just different questions!
Is this going to become another butt hurt thread? I mean seriously...its a game...with an ambiguous title at best...and to inject politics into it at the risk of offending a large segment of the members who post here, its totally uncalled for and ridiculous. If you can accuse the entire South of fighting a war over Slavery because of an ambiguously titled game and proclaim that you will refuse to purchase it on that basis, than you qualify for being called a loser.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 19, 2015, 10:34:03 AM
I mean seriously...its a game...with an ambiguous title at best...and to inject politics into it at the risk of offending a large segment of the members who post here, its totally uncalled for and ridiculous.
It seems to me that you could have just said this the first time, and fewer people would be looking at you funny right now. Heck, they might even be nodding to themselves.
Quote from: Freyland on October 19, 2015, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 19, 2015, 10:34:03 AM
I mean seriously...its a game...with an ambiguous title at best...and to inject politics into it at the risk of offending a large segment of the members who post here, its totally uncalled for and ridiculous.
It seems to me that you could have just said this the first time, and fewer people would be looking at you funny right now. Heck, they might even be nodding to themselves.
People are always going to look at me funny, regardless of what I say. I've come to terms with that fact. :crazy2:
Actually JH said what many of us were thinking, he just had the balls to post it. Leave the political correctness out of the civil war and just study the conflict as it is.
Quote from: Skoop on October 19, 2015, 11:04:24 AM
Actually JH said what many of us were thinking, he just had the balls to post it. Leave the political correctness out of the civil war and just study the conflict as it is.
Peachy. Per my post, that wasn't the issue. In fact, no balls required.
I have mixed feelings about this one...from a GAMEPLAY perspective.
On the one hand, I LOVE playing military themed FPS games, and have played many dozens over the years. I also love the "black-powder" era, so I always thought that mixing the two - FPS and blackpowder - would be a personal geek / gaming dream come true. Unfortunately, reality has show me different. Over the years, I have tried a number of FPS blackpowder era games (going way back, there was a Napoleonic war mod for Operation Flashpoint, a Rev War mod for team fortress?, and a couple of mods for Warband) and none of have really provided a compelling gaming experience.
If this game is able to provide some unique "advantages" in this (maybe by doing something like providing increased fire accuracy when firing from line, etc) then maybe this might be interesting. As it stands, though, I am expecting this game will be much like the others: advance to range; fire at guy zig-zagging to avoid getting hit; miss; start to reload; then get killed by bayonet from a now-sprinting opponent.
I would imagine that unless players are part of a unit that plays together regularly, there is little to stop the gameplay from devolving into a pack of individuals doing their own thing despite the commander having the ability to give placement orders such as Form a Line.
There is an old fps called Darkest of Days, which has the player traveling in time to fight in some history's greatest battles. There was some civil war combat that I recall being quite good. At least, it was better than anything that has come before or after...
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I remember playing a board game back in the early 80s with the same theme. You could be fighting Romans in one mission and dinosaurs in the next. Anyway, those screens look pretty good. At least there's more than half a dozen men on the map.
^Time Tripper?
Yeah, that was it! I really enjoyed it.
Aye, 'twas good fun to play.
SCRIPTED FPS with muzzle-loaders could work be good...MP action I am still suspicious.
I would suspect that those with a big interest in the ACW would enjoy this (for a time at least) but the bunnie-jumper kiddies will absolutely hate it.
Re: Time Tripper. Fun game and a fun little time-killer. I've been meaning to make a VASSAL module for that one.
What I was noticiing from the video is that there appears to be a means to lead your squad(?) or whatever the formation is....it looks like the player is placing formation markers on the ground ahead of himself.
I played quite a bit of Mount and Blade Napoleon when it first came out, strictly the FPS part and not the force on force part. It was surprisingly fun in small doses, kind of like ARMA 3 KotH.
I don't want to be judgmental, but this could be fun if it's done right. Some command elements might be critical; controlling only your own toon might not be satisfying for the reasons mentioned above.
Quote from: Jack Nastyface on October 19, 2015, 04:55:48 PM
SCRIPTED FPS with muzzle-loaders could work be good...MP action I am still suspicious.
(my bold)
Mount & Blade: Napoleonic Wars is a blast in multi-player. Far better than any single-player it could possibly have, scripted or otherwise.
The MP is even more fun due to the muzzle-loading firearms (and cannon). Much the opposite of what you suspect.
The big confused skirmishes are more enjoyable than marching around in a line too. Had some great experiences with hectic fort attacks with 60-100 players going at it with Napoleonic equipment. O0
Being a civil war fan, I would give it a try...however, not sure this will even make the goal to be funded.
M&B Napoleonics KILLS in MP.
Even when you're not playing as a rifleman.
Just going to leave this here and run..
^Nice inoffensive version of the Stars and Bars :)
I love the idea of this game...I don't know if it will make goal though, as said above...
Quote from: SirAndrewD on October 19, 2015, 08:59:25 PM
Just going to leave this here and run..
ROFL
Loved me some ATHF.
Is there not an ACW mod for M&B? As has been pointed out above, I'm sure that would be a better representation of the period than a squad-based shooter (which this appears to be - down to the dialogue, even).
Hmm...good feedback. Is anyone still playing M&B Napoleonic? I would still be keen to check it out.
Gosh, I haven't played M&B:N in probably two years but it was pretty fun in multiplayer. Again, it wasn't as much shoot once then run up and stabby stabby as you might think. Then again, I don't think it was much of a representation of real Napoleonic warfare, either. But it was still fun.
M&B: N is fun if you accept the fact that there is no use of what you would think of traditional Napoleonic war. Organized lines and such. If you accept that it's call of duty with flint and lock it can be pretty fun.
Quote from: Bison on October 21, 2015, 02:45:00 PM
M&B: N is fun if you accept the fact that there is no use of what you would think of traditional Napoleonic war. Organized lines and such.
Well, that's hardly likely to happen in pub MP in any game, but I know there are (or perhaps were) "regiments" who did the whole lining up thing.
Quote from: Jack Nastyface on October 21, 2015, 02:23:37 PM
Hmm...good feedback. Is anyone still playing M&B Napoleonic? I would still be keen to check it out.
I have played multi-player M&B Napoleonic in regular spurts. The MP is still populated, with most people playing the "Siege" mode.
Last time I jumped in, a few months ago, the biggest Siege server usually had 60+ players in it during the evening. I keep it installed because the MP is just so much fun (and funny at times) without being too twitchy-rambo-bunnyhopper of an FPS.
I've also noticed a few popular YouTubers doing the occasional MP vids. The M&B stuff occasionally goes on sale and gets some new blood too.
Funded. Just. Also Greenlight for Steam.
Not sure how to hyperlink, but here's the linky: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1947432146/war-of-rights
Wow, I can't believe it's been three years since I posted here!
Anyway, just received notification that the Alpha is now open to Sergeant tier backers. While I liked the look of the game, the Captain tier was too pricey for me. Looking forward to trying the game out.
How do you like it ? Was thinking of jumping in at this point too, but it looks like the steam keys are sold out.
I like it. It's obviously a slower pace than most shooters, which isn't a bad thing at all. You can be as sociable (or not) as you like since it's mostly the officers and NCOs that do the talking and you don't have to join a squad per se; you can just line up with everyone else and fire away. On my second try at the game, I managed to shoot someone and then run up and bayonet three others. Normally I'm just a bullet catcher, so this was a welcomed change.
I think it comes out in Early Access in the next month or two so if you've missed out you won't have too long to wait.
State of the game video from The Historical Gamer.
It is
hilariously apt at illustrating what a Civil War scrummage among internet pwngs is like... :2funny:
I don't think I'll get this one, it's really interesting and hella purdy, but after playing holdfast the first person shooter in such a slow pace doesnt really tickle the pickle.
I went for it and played a few rounds, it's cool but I don't know if I'll play it enough. It has mechanics to force you to play in lines and penalizes for leaving your rank. Part of the fun of hold fast is to have the freedom to go skirmishing around the map with the possible line up in ranks when needed.
I think where these games fail is ignoring AI. It would be great if the players were NCOs and officers that controlled AI companies. The battles would be larger, you wouldn't get bored standing in ranks all the time cause your focused on orders along with fps combat. Think SOW with command from the saddle and fps component.
I think skirmishing around the map as cavalry could be really cool if add it down the road.
^ Exactly.
I think there was/is a American Revolution game like that. The only person I've seen play it is Jarhead; I don't even remember the name anymore, just that it looked like a cool idea.
Rise of Liberty: https://store.steampowered.com/app/775940/Rise_of_Liberty/
Hot damn Google is freaking amazing.
^A lot of fun and totally playable in single player.
Quote from: Skoop on December 05, 2018, 05:33:37 PM
I went for it and played a few rounds, it's cool but I don't know if I'll play it enough. It has mechanics to force you to play in lines and penalizes for leaving your rank. Part of the fun of hold fast is to have the freedom to go skirmishing around the map with the possible line up in ranks when needed.
I think where these games fail is ignoring AI. It would be great if the players were NCOs and officers that controlled AI companies. The battles would be larger, you wouldn't get bored standing in ranks all the time cause your focused on orders along with fps combat. Think SOW with command from the saddle and fps component.
I think skirmishing around the map as cavalry could be really cool if add it down the road.
One of the things I hate about holdfast is it's lack of Li e mechanics. You may as well be playing call of duty half the time.
Quote from: Skoop on December 05, 2018, 05:33:37 PM
I think where these games fail is ignoring AI. It would be great if the players were NCOs and officers that controlled AI companies. The battles would be larger, you wouldn't get bored standing in ranks all the time cause your focused on orders along with fps combat. Think SOW with command from the saddle and fps component.
M&B did this - although platoons rather than companies.
I think, though, that the reason we see no SP/significant AI in these games is that it's really hard to do. Most of these games are from small developers and I guess they don't have the resource to devote to it.
Picked up War Of Rights recently.
Didn't realize just how much in-game support & mechanical encouragement it has for line battles and the teamwork required. I'm impressed. :bd:
It's still early access from what I gather, but it's very playable.
Yeah It grew on me. I was debating if I should refund it at the 2 hour mark but I ended up digging it enough to keep it. The mechanics are pretty unique and promote staying in line. It'll be interesting to see it develope when they add arty, CAV, and sharpshooters.
I thought about finally picking up Holdfast. It's on sale for only $7. However, I know I won't stick to an MP only gunpowder era shooter. Its whats keeping me away from WoR, too.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2018, 01:47:27 PM
I thought about finally picking up Holdfast. It's on sale for only $7. However, I know I won't stick to an MP only gunpowder era shooter. Its whats keeping me away from WoR, too.
Holdfast has also been enjoyable, although it's obviously less encouraging of line order & such. WoR penalizes you & your team the more you're out of formation via suppression effects and higher team ticket loss when dying out of line.
They're both quite fun, although I think WoR has the edge because it does the historical immersion so well.
The first day I played WoR all that camera swaying, most notably while you're reloading, didn't give me much nausea due to motion sickness. I expected it to some extent but it wasn't bad.
Next time I fired it up, I started getting pretty ill in a short time. #:-) Hopefully it was just the forested hillside map that was causing the problem, as the maps with more flat open terrain seemed okay the day before.
Of course, I was drinking whiskey the first time I played WoR so perhaps that had something to do with it. :)
Quote from: Nefaro on December 26, 2018, 02:20:49 PM
Of course, I was drinking whiskey the first time
Just sip it at first.
Quote from: Moreb on December 26, 2018, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on December 26, 2018, 02:20:49 PM
Of course, I was drinking whiskey the first time
Just sip it at first.
"Just the tip", captain!
Actually been just fine, even somewhat sober since then. Guess it was just the odd map with the high inclines.
Also:
This is the absolute greatest first-person immersive shooter I've ever experienced.
The inherited teamwork is often the most impressive I've seen. They got the unique historical command focus of this one down pretty damn well. Yet it's only still in a feature incomplete Alpha stage! Despite the rocky update regime, this is some of the best money I've spent on gaming addiction in awhile. :cowboy:
I saw a few posts complaining about nausea while reloading. I used to have that problem with some of the Battlefields, I think it was due to head bob or weave while running.
Do you need a high end system run this one?
Head swinging should be left to the user's control. Involuntary head swinging will cause nausea. I'm prone to it too but curious to try it out.