Got an email from Paradox announcing a new city builder on Mars.
https://www.paradoxplaza.com/surviving-mars?utm_source=Community+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8ef410aca0-emsub_suma_sm_email_20170512&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6b1b68c4d1-8ef410aca0-146815601
The theme of this is very interesting, I'm facinated by humans colonizing Mars, although I don't think I'd actually want to go there.
I think it said 2018, so I'll be following it closely.
Take on Mars has turned into a pretty detailed simulation. If you're interested in Mars, you should definitely check it out.
I plan to wait until they add DLC to it that allow the Aztecs to invade Mars. :P
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 12, 2017, 10:40:24 AM
Take on Mars has turned into a pretty detailed simulation. If you're interested in Mars, you should definitely check it out.
That looks great, never heard of it before. Reviews are kinda mixed, around stability mostly, but its on sale for $13 right now, so pretty low risk in any case.
I can't tell for sure from the videos, is it first person? Unfortunately, those frequently give me motion sickness now. Stupid aging.
In any case, thanks for pointing this out.
TakeOn Mars is, indeed, first person. From the reviews, though, you will probably die of wonky-insane physic bugs before you get motion sick. ;)
I've wishlisted it for later, but I'm sure not buying now.
Quote from: RedArgo on May 12, 2017, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 12, 2017, 10:40:24 AM
Take on Mars has turned into a pretty detailed simulation. If you're interested in Mars, you should definitely check it out.
That looks great, never heard of it before. Reviews are kinda mixed, around stability mostly, but its on sale for $13 right now, so pretty low risk in any case.
I can't tell for sure from the videos, is it first person? Unfortunately, those frequently give me motion sickness now. Stupid aging.
In any case, thanks for pointing this out.
It uses an engine similar to ARMA, so it has 1st and 3rd person views. If you're interested, I'd be happy to make a Let's Play video.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 12, 2017, 12:47:07 PM
It uses an engine similar to ARMA, so it has 1st and 3rd person views. If you're interested, I'd be happy to make a Let's Play video.
That'd be great if you have the time.
c'mon!? any game on mars must be supported!!! ...still waiting for the fuel AND the chainsaw in one game TOGETHER!!!
...since, ...the 80s or what?! what?! not!?
cheers!
btw, this is the 'Computer Wargaming' on gh's (...still with my homemade fake tee...) and everyone's a wanky because 'em pdox has 'em pants down - ready to suck gold?! what!!!? ;) ...you're soooo~ funny, y'all!
Quote from: RedArgo on May 12, 2017, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 12, 2017, 12:47:07 PM
It uses an engine similar to ARMA, so it has 1st and 3rd person views. If you're interested, I'd be happy to make a Let's Play video.
That'd be great if you have the time.
Ditto!
Rimworld has a total conversion mod for a Mars colony (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=732754899&searchtext=). I will have to try this at some point!
A little more about Surviving Mars from RPS
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/05/17/surviving-mars-preview/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RockPaperShotgun+%28Rock%2C+Paper%2C+Shotgun%29 (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/05/17/surviving-mars-preview/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RockPaperShotgun+%28Rock%2C+Paper%2C+Shotgun%29)
Haemimont games is teaming up with
Paradox for a new city-builder....looks promising!
Will get this for sure. :smitten:
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=19531.0
Yep, was posted here a couple of weeks ago.
Didn't see it...
It's important to mention that it's a Haemimont game and they have now plenty of experience with City-builders. I expect a solid game on release already unlike many other games published by Paradox.
RPS has an article w/link to a Gamescom gameplay trailer. https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/08/27/meteors-rain-on-the-red-planet-in-surviving-mars-trailer/
I'm usually pretty patient about release dates etc. but I want this NOW!
Release date is March 15, 2018 according to an e-mail I got from Paradox.
Yep, and will cost $39.99
https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/1/16960206/surviving-mars-release-date-paradox-interactive
I watched a couple preview let's play videos and it looks good. Reminds me of Banished on Mars, which is just what I want.
Pre-order is up on Steam. I'm in.
Quote from: bbmike on February 19, 2018, 06:24:10 PM
Pre-order is up on Steam. I'm in.
Did you open up FoD?
No, but my custom hex map for Space Empires 4x just arrived! O0
Well, that's something :P
Surviving Mars is get to be released any minute O0
i am watching preview Let's Plays since a week and got real exited about it ...and impulse bough it this morn :D
here is a good Let's play by a for Grogheads maybe also well known and trusted youtuber, Mr. DasTactic
i like the Mars & science theme paired with tranquillity to watch (you can micro but you don't have too) how things unfold and the challenge ...and it looks very good and cute too when zooming in and horizontal view at the landscape
not a wargame some one might say
but i saw a start screen at YT that spoke about an invasion as one of the possible random events for the mid?/end? game you can chose from
well, i didn't wanted to spoil my experience so i didn't opened the video in question of that preview series
(IIRC it was number #22 with 40 min episodes each so i guess those thing happen quite some good time into the game)
I pre-bought too, hopefully get to fire it up tonight after work.
Worth a Buy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O6TYI4X0GQ
It's not Tropico, that's for sure. It's pretty solid, but oddly unambitious and the early game can be a bit slow (and then the late game lacks drive).
I miss Juanito.
It's still pretty good, but it'll either get better over time through DLC (a la PDS titles) or the next one will be great (a la Tropico 4 vs. T3).
Let me know when you can create a Martian Defense Force to invade planet Earth.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Fearthk.jpg&hash=77fd3b71f2743e2d7ec32524a2b337d74e8ddd1c)
I was always wondering why Marvin looked like he was wearing a tutu as opposed to a the more conventional Pteruges (hoping I spelled that right ?). Static cling maybe ?
So is this any good? I'm interested but CY6 came out at the same time and only so much gaming budget....
Not too far into it, but if you like builder games I think so. Like other Paradox games I believe it will only get better with time.
Quill has a pretty good tutorial. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUKDzg4_MbQ)
Quote from: Barthheart on March 16, 2018, 08:36:25 AM
So is this any good? I'm interested but CY6 came out at the same time and only so much gaming budget....
in my case it was the other way around i got SM and postponed CY6 ^-^
i was able to play yesterday and suddenly it was already 11:30 pm ...Upps! ...and then i still had to force me to save and exit. which is a good sign, i think its called 'i got into the flow'
(started as Europe with a Futurist commander and chose a difficult terrain near Olympus Mons, not one of the preset spots. you can chose the spot on Mars freely and it gives an estimate what to expect in resources and dangers and the terrain structure)
the best thing to do for Grogs on the fence is watch a good Let's Play
beside DasTactic i also watched some off this series
that guy tries to play the hardest possible choice
No offence' but I hate watching Let's Plays... I want youse guys opinion who I've come to know and trust. Plus I don't want to lose the sense of discovery if I do end up buying it... which with this game's subject matter and game style I have no doubt I'll pick up sooner rather than later... :P
I'll be honest...it didn't grab me right away because I struggled to figure out what to do. While there seems to be some tips, there is no true tutorial, as I'd expect when starting a new game and the mechanics and UI was less than intuitive to me.
Its true, I was a little distracted with some other things, so I didn't focus and really explore...but a game like this should just flow and for me, it didn't.
I'm not saying I don't like it, only that it wasn't as easy to jump into as I thought it should have been.
^I agree with that. You can't just jump in and start playing, at least I couldn't. I had to watch Quill's videos to get the basic idea. Once you start figuring out how to play you slowly get dragged in.
Ok...what game is "CY6"?
Check Your 6
I think it is not worth the money now. It needs some polishing and maybe one or two dlc. Lack of tutorial is a big minus because UI isn't very intuitive and hits aren't helpful. For example if you want to move drones from one drone station to another you have to do this one by one, because you can select only one. It will be very annoying if you want to move larger numbers of them. I was annoyed after moving
only 10. Feedback from game also isn't very good. You will get message that people are starving, but game won't tell you why. I don't know how many grocery shops or restaurants you need for your colony. I've got one man starving in my colony so I've added extra worker to my grocery. It didn't change anything. I had to build restaurant. There is a lot of similar quirks that can be very annoying in long run.
Thanks all, that's the kind of feedback I was looking for. I can wait a bit to see if it develops.
I played for a couple hours last night. I did enjoy it, but I can see where the lack of a tutorial may be an issue. I'd watched a few previews, so I had some idea of what to do, but I'm sure I'm missing stuff too.
Any update on this game? What's it like?
Quote from: JudgeDredd on April 02, 2018, 12:55:36 PM
Any update on this game? What's it like?
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=21889.0 ;)
i logged in 75h ...a statement in its own, isn't it
played it a lot on Easter holidays ....so i think i got my Euros worth in entertainment
i followed the advice of some previewers and started with a higher difficulty ( 225 %)
because if you unlock everything in easy and have seen it all, you probably don't start it on higher difficulty again.
even so the techtree entries get shuffled (or filled from a bigger pool? IIRC, there was a tech in a preview that made persons working in mines not necessary any more ...but i never got that tech? and i unlocked everything in my game!)
so every individual game is different and the same approach might not be possible in a replay even in the same location
in the meantime i have the whole tech tree explored and have 4 wonders build, above 500 people on Mars ...and now dealing with "the sphere" i discovered many sols before, but i didn't dared to awake it then...not without a stable colony and lots of resources first ;)
as a Tutorial, and before purchase, i recommend to watch a Let's play a little.
Quote from: salazarus on March 16, 2018, 10:18:10 AM
I think it is not worth the money now. It needs some polishing and maybe one or two dlc. Lack of tutorial is a big minus because UI isn't very intuitive and hits aren't helpful. For example if you want to move drones from one drone station to another you have to do this one by one, because you can select only one. It will be very annoying if you want to move larger numbers of them. I was annoyed after moving
only 10. Feedback from game also isn't very good. You will get message that people are starving, but game won't tell you why. I don't know how many grocery shops or restaurants you need for your colony. I've got one man starving in my colony so I've added extra worker to my grocery. It didn't change anything. I had to build restaurant. There is a lot of similar quirks that can be very annoying in long run.
i found out you can disassemble drones at a hub (send them back to the pool in the factory) and reconstruct them later at other hubs so no need to send one over (which is a pain indeed)
starving: when i pressed the message, screen went to the copula.
you either didn't have euf green food bricks stored, at least near the copula in question, or the drones are to few and to busy to deliver them in time from a depot to the grocery or diner ....there is a info about how many visited a place if you click a place and somewhere in those colonist's 'happiness' bars how many colonists where not able to full fill their needs... Yes there is a learning curve to overcome with the UI and where is which info to be found, indeed. (i had some lets plays as a hint so)
Quote from: MikeGER on April 03, 2018, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on April 02, 2018, 12:55:36 PM
Any update on this game? What's it like?
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=21889.0 ;)
Thanks to your other reply, I just noticed there were two threads on this. Thanks O0
Anyone still playing this? It's on sale on Steam and I'm itching for a new purchase as I skipped the last sale.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 21, 2018, 03:12:30 AM
Anyone still playing this? It's on sale on Steam and I'm itching for a new purchase as I skipped the last sale.
you can pick it up for like $8 at kinguin...might make your decision easier
https://www.kinguin.net/category/46831/surviving-mars-steam-cd-key/?r=3445&nosalesbooster=1&utm_source=www.allkeyshop.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=allkeyshop
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on December 21, 2018, 06:09:15 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 21, 2018, 03:12:30 AM
Anyone still playing this? It's on sale on Steam and I'm itching for a new purchase as I skipped the last sale.
you can pick it up for like $8 at kinguin...might make your decision easier
https://www.kinguin.net/category/46831/surviving-mars-steam-cd-key/?r=3445&nosalesbooster=1&utm_source=www.allkeyshop.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=allkeyshop
Thanks. I may well do that. It's not a "must have" for me, but it looks mildly interesting. It might hold my attention for a few hours. The quiet surrounding the game hasn't made me think it's a dozey and doesn't really make me want to pay alot for it.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 21, 2018, 08:05:01 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on December 21, 2018, 06:09:15 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 21, 2018, 03:12:30 AM
Anyone still playing this? It's on sale on Steam and I'm itching for a new purchase as I skipped the last sale.
you can pick it up for like $8 at kinguin...might make your decision easier
https://www.kinguin.net/category/46831/surviving-mars-steam-cd-key/?r=3445&nosalesbooster=1&utm_source=www.allkeyshop.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=allkeyshop
Thanks. I may well do that. It's not a "must have" for me, but it looks mildly interesting. It might hold my attention for a few hours. The quiet surrounding the game hasn't made me think it's a dozey and doesn't really make me want to pay alot for it.
Wasn't Kinquin the one where IL2 revoked all the licenses?
Yes but wasn't store fault and they have them all back after they realized was wrong. Game also on sale at green man for a few more dollars but still cheaper than steam
^What he said.
As far as I'm concerned, Kinguin if it were illegal - would be shut down. The developers of IL2 took a dim view and didn't like it. That's fine and up to them - but it doesn't mean my purchase was illegal. And how could it be really? It was activated on their servers.
But lets look at this scenario. Someone jumps on the internet looking for a WWII flight sim. They see Kinguin, right up there in Googles search, along with others. It's showing it at a better discounted price than other sites.
The developers of IL2 were trying to say it's MY job to understand the business model of Kinguin - to understand how they can discount the product. How does that make any sense? For all I know, Kinguin could be doing what alot of companies do - dropping the price on a particular product and making the money in some other way - by upping the price of another product or advertising most likely. Either way, there's a plethora of ways for Kinguin to sell a product at a discounted price.
Has ANYONE here checked to see if Steam is discounting lawfully?
From my perspective (so not necessarily from the laws perspective) what they did was illegal. They ripped the product from my drive (essentially). I paid for that and they took it away - without even knowing where I got it. These were legal keys - activated on THEIR servers. They said they found a batch of keys missing. Well, if that's the case, why was I able to register them on your servers. And if you did lose, them, well then, look after your product.
Expecting me to look after your product for you is ludicrous.
Remember - I'm not talking about me here. I
suspect Kinguin is grey licensing. My view is, if they're not illegal, they're valid to shop from.
Anyway - they did come good and did what they should've done instead of just disabling everyones keys.
Quote from: Tuna on December 22, 2018, 08:40:47 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 21, 2018, 08:05:01 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on December 21, 2018, 06:09:15 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 21, 2018, 03:12:30 AM
Anyone still playing this? It's on sale on Steam and I'm itching for a new purchase as I skipped the last sale.
you can pick it up for like $8 at kinguin...might make your decision easier
https://www.kinguin.net/category/46831/surviving-mars-steam-cd-key/?r=3445&nosalesbooster=1&utm_source=www.allkeyshop.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=allkeyshop
Thanks. I may well do that. It's not a "must have" for me, but it looks mildly interesting. It might hold my attention for a few hours. The quiet surrounding the game hasn't made me think it's a dozey and doesn't really make me want to pay alot for it.
Wasn't Kinquin the one where IL2 revoked all the licenses?
Yep, I have no idea how these sites do it...but have always wondered if illegal, how come they are allowed to stay active? Its not like they are hidden on the dark web, they are in plain view of everyone and I am pretty sure every publisher (therefore the proper authorities) knows about them. And I am just not talking about Kinguin, there are plenty more popular ones (cdkeys, instant gaming, etc.) as well.
Maybe it makes me a bad person, but I plan to continue buying from these places as long as my experience is good with them. Knock on wood, I have never had an issue with any of them so as long as they have the cheapest price, I will purchase from them. However, it does seem like their prices aren't as good as they use to be so for that reason only, not purchasing as much as I used to from them. But rest assured, if they do have the best price, I easily would pull the trigger and still be able to sleep at night:)
As for IL-2 and Kinguin, I actually had a great experience with them, which even made me come back and buy more. As soon as my keys were removed by the publisher, I contacted the company and within minutes and with no questions, they fully refunded my product. They really were under no obligation to do that, regardless of how much I was angry.
I realize some people won't purchase from them or others "like" them and that is perfectly fine....to each his own I guess:)
The software company came good. I remember you being pretty pissed during the whole thing JD!
Can you blame the software company, when their price is being dragged down in a 'shady' manner? I think they did the right thing, because a lot of people bought extra expansions/modules after the fact at normal storefronts (you needed BoS to play them - the customer, figured they bought it legally - which is true).
Anyways good to see you playing IL2 Box a lot lately! O0
Quote from: Tuna on December 23, 2018, 08:32:49 AM
Can you blame the software company, when their price is being dragged down in a 'shady' manner? I think they did the right thing, because a lot of people bought extra expansions/modules after the fact at normal storefronts (you needed BoS to play them - the customer, figured they bought it legally - which is true).
Yes, kind of can blame them for the reasons JD stated. There are some people that don't know its a "risk" purchasing from these types of places so globally removing an item they purchased without any warning is not necessarily the best way to go about it.
Certainly in my case I knew enough to assume there is "risk", but not everyone is aware of that and when people do searches and those companies are listed as options, its very easy to pull the trigger.
They way they got it cheap I thought is people buying Keys and revoking the sales on their CC. Maybe stolen CCs. So the company didn't get their money.. So it was essentially 'stolen' goods.
When something is stolen, you have the right to get it back. The middle company (Kinquin) is the one at fault here. I'm surprised they survived this unscathed being a fence for stolen goods.
I'm not defending IL2.. they screwed a lot of people.. I understand why the did it. I also understand and I'm glad that they changed their mind. However, lesson learned. I will not be buying from Kinquin.
Quote from: Tuna on December 23, 2018, 09:03:18 AM
They way they got it cheap I thought is people buying Keys and revoking the sales on their CC. Maybe stolen CCs. So the company didn't get their money.. So it was essentially 'stolen' goods.
When something is stolen, you have the right to get it back. The middle company (Kinquin) is the one at fault here. I'm surprised they survived this unscathed being a fence for stolen goods.
I'm not defending IL2.. they screwed a lot of people.. I understand why the did it. I also understand and I'm glad that they changed their mind. However, lesson learned. I will not be buying from Kinquin.
do you have an article or source where their methods have been absolutely confirmed?
again i am not defending kinguin or anyone else, no idea how they do it. but if stolen and using credit card purchases, just wonder how they stay in business then. fanatical and greenman have had a lot of deals cheaper than kinguin, are they suspected of unfair practices too if their prices are lower?
No, just trying to remember from the thread that appeared here way back when JD almost got screwed.
I think of Kinquin as the Ebay of games.. I would never buy software on ebay. lol. .I remember with someone who was a pc tech.. used to sell all the CD's that came with systems, back when manufacturers used to give you a Windows CD with each system. He eventually got cease and desist mail from Microsoft!
Quote from: Tuna on December 23, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
No, just trying to remember from the thread that appeared here way back when JD almost got screwed.
I think of Kinquin as the Ebay of games.. I would never buy software on ebay. lol. .I remember with someone who was a pc tech.. used to sell all the CD's that came with systems, back when manufacturers used to give you a Windows CD with each system. He eventually got cease and desist mail from Microsoft!
Gotcha...I have seen people speculate as well, just have never seen anything official. So I guess I will continue to live dangerously until the authorities clearly determine it is illegal and shut them down:)
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on December 23, 2018, 10:14:25 AM
So I guess I will continue to live dangerously until the authorities clearly determine it is illegal and shut them down:)
They are based in Hong Kong and (I guess) sell everything to the rest of the world. So even it they are illegal I don't think this is an issue to Hong Kong.
The fact that they sell 'buyer protection' at around 10% of the game price to protect you against all problems (on their site : Worry free keys If you've got KBP we'll solve all your key-related issues) might give you a warning.
In their defense Kinguin claims that they doesn't sell games but are just a platform that connects sellers with buyers.
https://www.polygon.com/2015/2/9/8006693/the-truth-behind-those-mysteriously-cheap-gray-market-game-codes
https://lockesjourney.wordpress.com/2016/03/17/the-hard-truth-about-g2a-kinguin-and-grey-market-keys/
It's impossible/impractical for grey markets to check where each and every item comes from, which is partially why sites like G2A offer money-back guarantees/warranties on purchases. For a couple extra dollars you can get a G2A Shield on each purchase you make, which serves as a warranty in case your game is revoked. Should the worst happen, G2A will either provide you with another key or give you your money back.
What's another $2 when you're saving $10 or $20? In the case of the Far Cry 4 keys, G2A even went out of their way to confirm and refund purchases that didn't include their warranty.
There are stolen keys sitting on G2A and Kinguin right now, but not nearly as many as naysayers would have you believe. The fact of the matter is that these companies are not the shady thieves guilds other people and companies have lead you to believe. They aren't purposefully selling stolen keys, it's just a hazard of doing business. That's not an opinion, it's supported fact backed by the system itself.
Quote from: Tuna on December 23, 2018, 08:32:49 AM
Can you blame the software company, when their price is being dragged down in a 'shady' manner?
It's not the buyers fault they aren't protecting their product properly (or can't)
I just think - given the age we live in - that it's not the consumers fault if they buy a shady product. At the end of the day, I didn't steal it. Nor did the price make me think I was stealing it. It was a discounted price for a game. You can go all over the web and find those. And as I said...type in a computer game - and Kinguin will be listed in the first page of your Google search - and likely the top part.
I can buy Battlefield V from Argos (a reputable brick and mortar store in the UK) for £34.99 - but at Game it costs £42.99. Am I expected to question Argos' ethics in this transaction? That's just ludicrous.
Quote from: Tuna on December 23, 2018, 08:32:49 AM
Anyways good to see you playing IL2 Box a lot lately! O0
That's not me - that's the prospective son-in-law. I haven't touched it since the debacle, though I have bought other modules (as I said I would) and will be buying Kuban and the new one (when it's available on Steam)
Well - I've survived 20 sols.
I survived a dust storm of 2 sols. A meteor strike which looked devastating but thankfully was mostly in another sector. A cold snap for almost 4 sols.
The cold snap almost broke me.I had literally just built a dome and put living quarters, med centre and a hydro farm or something and ordered my citizens. Energy was tight - only a few surplus but I had 4 storage racks, all full with 200 energy.
Then I got the message the cold snap was coming. I was ok. I thought I had enough. But man - those cold snaps are really bad. I switched off everything I could to keep the water turning over (no water source so I only had the ones that strip moisture from the air) and to keep the air flowing to the dome. Heating in the dome failed so I had to spend more than half my stored machine parts on fixing it.
It looks like I might just survive my Founder Stage which is assessed in 6 sols. This basically determines whether you've provided somewhere safe for citizens and you can't get anymore until that is defined.
I'll tell you what games like this and Cities:Skylines has taught me...I cannot design anywhere nice for people to live :))
JD, you can chose the start location free on the planet. you don't have to go to those named ones to find a spot with minimal disaster probabilities. Maybe dust storm is the easiest one if you have windmills and a water source and a stock pile. a location with water to a pump out is a must. IIRC later in game there were ground heaters.
I got the new DLC yesterday and plan to revisit the tranquil and nice to watch Surviving Mars in the holidays
there were a lot of patches that had changed things since my last game too.
I did choose my location. But I didn't pay too much attention to it - and perhaps should've paid it a bit more.
It's a beautiful game - much like Cities:Skylines - I can just sit and watch things unfold. I like the added survival mode in this.