Fallujah completely liberated from IS

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Boggit

June 27, 2016, 12:05:32 PM
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bayonetbrant

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June 27, 2016, 12:19:46 PM
We've liberated Fallujah about 8 times now since 2003.  At this point, I'm fine if we just level the f'n' place and not have to liberate it anymore.
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Airborne Rifles

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June 27, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 27, 2016, 12:19:46 PM
We've liberated Fallujah about 8 times now since 2003.  At this point, I'm fine if we just level the f'n' place and not have to liberate it anymore.

On the other hand, this time it was actually the Iraqis who did the liberating (with our heavy support in air, intel, etc.).

ComradeP

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June 27, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
As if civilians in Iraq could not just be civilians but have to be either with (pro-)NATO forces or against them. That attitude has really hardened.

Based on past experience, it will probably take time before the city can be inhabited in a normal fashion again, as IS likes to leave boobytraps all over the place.

QuoteEven more strangely...
http://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/how-japanese-soldiers-helped-the-british-in-1944-java-conflict

The Japanese had actively encouraged anti-Dutch propaganda throughout the occupation of the DEI, and many insurgents could use Japanese weapons and sometimes even Japanese instructors during their fight with the Dutch.

A "relatively peaceful" occupation still meant the Dutch were locked away in camps. Not the POW forced labour camps on the Asiatic continent, but still camps. They remained there after the surrender of the Japanese, for their own safety as Dutch troops could not get to the DEI in strength until 1946.

I wonder how "full of praise" the Dutch citizens truly were. Although the situation in that area might not have been so bad that they hated the Japanese, being confined to camps wasn't pleasant.
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Boggit

#4
June 27, 2016, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: ComradeP on June 27, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
As if civilians in Iraq could not just be civilians but have to be either with (pro-)NATO forces or against them. That attitude has really hardened.

Based on past experience, it will probably take time before the city can be inhabited in a normal fashion again, as IS likes to leave boobytraps all over the place.

QuoteEven more strangely...
http://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/how-japanese-soldiers-helped-the-british-in-1944-java-conflict

The Japanese had actively encouraged anti-Dutch propaganda throughout the occupation of the DEI, and many insurgents could use Japanese weapons and sometimes even Japanese instructors during their fight with the Dutch.

A "relatively peaceful" occupation still meant the Dutch were locked away in camps. Not the POW forced labour camps on the Asiatic continent, but still camps. They remained there after the surrender of the Japanese, for their own safety as Dutch troops could not get to the DEI in strength until 1946.

I wonder how "full of praise" the Dutch citizens truly were. Although the situation in that area might not have been so bad that they hated the Japanese, being confined to camps wasn't pleasant.
I agree with all you say.

I just put the link in to show the irony that when hostilities were supposed to have ended in the area, even currently active enemies - the British and Japanese, closed ranks to face off Sukarno as fighting was continuing in "peaceful" area.
The most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own. Aldous Huxley

Foul Temptress! (Mirth replying to Gus) ;)

On a good day, our legislature has the prestige of a drunk urinating on a wall at 4am and getting most of it on his shoe. On a good day  ::) Steelgrave

It's kind of silly to investigate whether or not a Clinton is lying. That's sort of like investigating why the sky is blue. Banzai_Cat

bayonetbrant

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June 27, 2016, 02:29:13 PM
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 27, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 27, 2016, 12:19:46 PM
We've liberated Fallujah about 8 times now since 2003.  At this point, I'm fine if we just level the f'n' place and not have to liberate it anymore.

On the other hand, this time it was actually the Iraqis who did the liberating (with our heavy support in air, intel, etc.).

they supposedly did it the first time, before the contractors were strung up outside of town on the overpass.
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Airborne Rifles

#6
June 27, 2016, 03:04:08 PM Last Edit: June 27, 2016, 03:06:14 PM by Airborne Rifles
Very different context this time around. Then we were trying to pacify Iraq. Now the Iraqi's are in effect fighting a proxy war for us.

bayonetbrant

#7
June 27, 2016, 03:07:03 PM
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 27, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
Very different context this time around. Then we were trying to pacify Iraq. Now the Iraqi's are in effect fighting a proxy war for us.

that's a fair difference
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GDS_Starfury

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June 27, 2016, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 27, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
Very different context this time around. Then we were trying to pacify Iraq. Now the Iraqi's are in effect fighting a proxy war for us.

about fucking time.
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June 28, 2016, 08:57:22 AM
And this time they didn't run away after throwing our kit on the ground for ISIS to pick up and use! Progress!
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Airborne Rifles

#10
July 01, 2016, 09:45:47 PM
ISIS fighters decided to try to flee Falujah in a big fat juicy convoy. Results were...predictable:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/middleeast/iraq-militants-airstrike/index.html

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#11
July 01, 2016, 10:20:12 PM
Three hundred times 72 equals a lot of Virgins.
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#12
July 02, 2016, 10:11:56 AM
Some of them may have to shift gender roles for priority cases...  :knuppel2:
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#13
July 02, 2016, 11:31:39 AM
Quote from: JasonPratt on July 02, 2016, 10:11:56 AM
Some of them may have to shift gender roles for priority cases...  :knuppel2:

Or even species of mammal...
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#14
July 02, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
... if you have to spend a whole eternity in a promised paradise, only 72 virgins is a very bad deal anyway. ...stupid Muslims O0
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