An Idiots Guide To Losing Your CV's Before 1942: WiTP:AE KyzBP vs UCG

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QuoteI believe this to be the KB.  It is not where I thought it would be.  Here was the plan:

I was going to run my bomber heavy carriers up towards Rabaul in an attempt sink a few ships and get Geek's attention.
I would then pull my carriers back towards Efate.  Between the two bases at Efate and Luganville there are 150 fighters.  There are also 40 fighters
on the carriers.  ALL fighters would be set to provide CAP for the carriers.  Geek has about 150 fighters in his TF.  I would gamble that he would send
half as an escort for his bombers (about 270 of them :o).  He'd have to get through my almost 200 fighters to get to the carriers.  My carrier TF has all
my best AA ships as escort, he'd have to get through that too. I would hope to destroy many of his planes and pilots on his first wave.

I would have the carrier bombers off the carriers and on the fields.  I would then act as if I was retreating South, hopefully bringing him South with me.
If phase one worked and I atritted his fighters I would then launch the bombers from the island fields using ALL the fighters as Escort this time since the
carriers would be moving away from the action.  If I needed to I could've headed for Suva where I have about 120 fighters I could use for CAP.

It was a very risky plan but this isn't your grandpa's war.

Wow how did you get Admiral King to want to commit suicide by coming up with this plan.  MacArthur will end up needing to win the war with the army!


JasonPratt

My guess is the rationale went something like this: "Take a good look at Australia."
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KyzBP

The idea was that the Allies can afford to lose a carrier or 2, the Japanese can't.  I'm already up 3 carriers to 0.  I wanted to take a chance and drain his carrier pilots now, on my terms, rather than have him pick the spot.  The reality is I don't know if I could've pulled the trigger with that plan. Plus, like Jason (sorta) said "Have you seen Australia"?

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 26, 2016, 06:05:46 PM
How are things looking for Chiang Kai KyzBP in China?
Where is this China place you speak of?  Actually Geek is slowly pushing me around.  He has air superiority and better troops.  It looks like I have some reinforcements due in China soon.  It may be time for a counter attack.

Sir Slash

No I think in lieu of actually sinking Geek's Carriers, killing-off their best pilots would be an excellent way to Neuter them and even things up in the naval war. And Sooner, you've got a good point about the seals.
"Take a look at that". Sgt. Wilkerson-- CMBN. His last words after spotting a German tank on the other side of a hedgerow.

FarAway Sooner

Sinking flat-tops also gets your Dauntless pilots more experience.   ;D

KyzBP

I'm sorry about the delay on the AAR.  My good friend Photobucket >:( has stopped working again.  I tried all day yesterday to get the screenshots to upload but nothing I've tried has worked.  I'll try again today, although I have less free time.  Geek and I are still pumping out turns so once it starts working I should have no shortage of material.

JasonPratt

We've had a lot of good material recently, so we can be patient. :)


Also, we can suggest you get an Imageshack account which is cheap.  >:D
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Just looked into ImageShack. $18.99 per year...not too bad...IF it's stable.  ;D

You can sign up for a free 30-day account to try it out. KyzBP, you might want to do that...can't lose doing a free account for 30 days and letting us know how it treats you.

JasonPratt

The only instability I've had with Imageshack so far, has cropped up recently where it says an upload fails and naturally doesn't provide an access code -- but then refreshing the window shows the image loaded after all, and the code can be gotten from the image's menu.

This has been going on since back around Christmas or maybe Thanksgiving; before then I had no problems. And it isn't really a problem (once I figured out what was happening, or rather not happening, or rather not not happening ;) ), only slightly annoying.
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KyzBP

It's the uploading an image problem again.  This time I can't blame it on ads as I'm forking out $.99 a month to keep the ads at bay.

I have an incredibly busy week this week and may not even get to the next turn until Friday so I'm not sure I'll be able to get to the AAR at all. :(

I'll take a look at Image Shack as soon as I get a chance.  Thanks for the help.

KyzBP

March 22nd, 1942

Alright, I got Photophucket semi-working for now so I'll strike while the iron is at least luke warm.

Geek hits Luganville.

I feel like he took a page from my playbook.  Luckily he didn't do too much damage.  I'll be sending the CV's after these guys and hopefully
show Geek one of the other plays in my playbook.

The carrier pilots at AM find some easy pickings.


I'm still surprised Geek hasn't tried to kick me out of here yet.  Each day that passes allows me to land more supplies and troops. 
There may come a time when he simply can't force me out of here.

I'm starting to take out his subs at AM.

I have a feeling we can scratch the I-19.  I'm starting to get a nice collection of ASW assets now.  Right now he can't do anything by air
or sea.  As soon as I feel the sub threat is negated I'll turn the Marauders loose against the bases I can reach. 

Brit CV's launch too early.

Dang it! Not only did we get chewed up by a bunch of Oscars but all we hit was a Mine Sweeper.  There are some juicier targets South
of the CV's.  And I don't think they have air cover.

Now they launch.  :-\

And hit nothing.  If the same amount of planes that launched the first time would've launched this time we may have hit something of
value.  Instead, we lost a couple of Fulmars and got a Swordfish shot up.  These guys will head back to Colombo to get some new aircraft.
Hopefully there will be some available.

The Big Boys do some damage at Brisbane.

We're piling on the hurt here, albeit one scratch at a time.  I'm continuing to throw everything I have at Geeks troops here.  It seems to
be working.  He hasn't tried to attack again so maybe we're keeping him disrupted.

We also released the Arty.

I have a decent stack of guns piling up here.  I have a bunch of supply as well.  There's no reason I can't keep bombarding him and taking
out 200+ troops every turn.  He's got a lot of troops here so it's hard to miss.

Tomorrow we should be sinking some unsuspecting Geek Ca's and DD's near Luganville.

FarAway Sooner

It's obviously a balancing act, but have you thought about turning those B-25s (B-26s?) coming online in AM loose on his airbases for a few days before redirecting them towards ASW? 

At this point, he doesn't yet know that the Arctic Monkey now has some pooh to fling at the Home Islands, so he might not have the air assets in place to defend his most vulnerable air bases.  My sense from watching him do the same to you is that, if you can hit an air base hard enough in the first day or two, it's much harder to recover than if you to have to crack the nut once it's got credible fighter cover established.

On the other hand, if he sees medium bombers starting to damage subs up there, he's bound to wise up quickly and start taking prophylactic measures.

This uneducated opinion, along with $4, will buy you a very small latte at Starbucks...   ;D

KyzBP

Quote from: FarAway Sooner on March 02, 2016, 09:36:04 AM
It's obviously a balancing act, but have you thought about turning those B-25s (B-26s?) coming online in AM loose on his airbases for a few days before redirecting them towards ASW? 

At this point, he doesn't yet know that the Arctic Monkey now has some pooh to fling at the Home Islands, so he might not have the air assets in place to defend his most vulnerable air bases.  My sense from watching him do the same to you is that, if you can hit an air base hard enough in the first day or two, it's much harder to recover than if you to have to crack the nut once it's got credible fighter cover established.

On the other hand, if he sees medium bombers starting to damage subs up there, he's bound to wise up quickly and start taking prophylactic measures.

This uneducated opinion, along with $4, will buy you a very small latte at Starbucks...   ;D

The AAR is about 5 game days behind now due to Photobucket.  What I will say, without giving too much away, is your line of thinking is headed in the right direction. O0

I'm going to try to get another update in here today.  Maybe this one will answer some questions.

KyzBP

March 23rd, 1942

Well, the surface combat TF that the Brit CV's should've hit farted in my general direction.

That's a lot of DD's.  Even if the CV's planes would've hit these guys they still would've sunk these poor AK's.  At least
it's a class of ship I have in abundance.

A single ship bombardment at Luganville.

His ship did some light damage but nothing that can't be fixed in a day.  I think I would've let the escort DD's bombard as well.
Even their smaller guns can tear up some parked aircraft.

Bombarding Marysville.

Some of my remnant troops moved into Marysville so I'm softening it up before I throw my angry Aussies at the evil Occupation Force.

Bombers helping out as well.

If I can disrupt these guys enough maybe we can retake it.

I finally got some fighters over Brisbane.

These were part of the mess of troops and aircraft that finally got through the South Pacific once Geek left the area.  I really hope they
can make a difference and turn the tide here.

Cats at Luganville.

Just in case you guys forgot about how versatile these big beauties can be.

My CV aircraft ambush fails.


These guys missed just about everything, and what they hit was of very little value.  Geek's TF will probably speed out of range
before I can get another crack at them.  I'll try to pursue but I don't have a lot of hope in catching them.

Bombardment at Brisbane.

We continue nibbling away at the troops here.  What you can't see is...he may be pulling back!  If he abandons his efforts here then
we stand a great chance of counter attacking.  There are a bunch of troops at Sydney and more arriving by rail from Perth.  The tide
may be turning!

HUUURAHHH!

Marysville recaptured!  We now have his troops at Brisbane trapped, sort of.  He's got about 45k worth of troops at Brisbane.
He'll probably head back North towards Mary.  If he arrives intact he'll take Mary back pretty quick.  I have less than 10k worth of
troops there.  I have to bomb him as much as possible to keep him from becoming combat effective.

Subs chasing CV's.

His subs have pulled out of AM and are chasing my CV's.  I'll pull them North a little more and then cut back Southeast and out of
the Sea of Okhatsk.  That'll give the AK's and AP's a break for a few days.  By then I should have more ASW assets in place and I can
turn the bomber loose on Hokkaido. (I'm looking at you Sooner).

Geek's CV's spotted.

India!  He's going for India next.  Those CV's are probably headed for Singapore and then the Indian Ocean.  He'll be bringing the Philippine
forces behind them and he'll start his conquest of India...or Ceylon.  I have a short time to prepare but at least it won't be a total surprise.