look what was in the mail today :)
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now i have find time to testsplay it... :dreamer:
ordered it here, and delivery was quit fast
https://shop.decisiongames.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2110
Thanks for posting. I wasn't aware that there was a computer version.
I played the board version a few years ago and though I enjoyed the game, I found the rules difficult.
Be interested to hear what you think of it, Mike. O0
Interested too. I have bought a couple of games in the D-day series and can't say I have been all that happy about the quality of the games.
This thread about Eagle is the sibling of that Lion related thread
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=18264.msg482338#msg482338
Review (of Lion) on BGG
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1590067/quick-review-raflion-pc
I have the original RAF game which I have enjoyed playing (equivalent of Lion I guess) - for the price this looks well worth a try. I see there are both Lion & Eagle versions available. Lower down the above thread it does refer to some advanced features that are omitted from the PC version, but they don't seem to be deal breakers to me.
***Does anyone know why DG don't do their PC games as digital download? - for the UK postage is as much as the game (or a lot more if tracked)***
Do they do downloads?
I know, a digital download, I would have bought already, now will wait and move onto something else
The weird thing is that they do in fact do digital games! -- some exclusively for Mac, some only for PC, some for both -- and all I think for iOS?
https://shop.decisiongames.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=110
So it isn't as though they can't or simply don't want to do digital distribution games. But they don't do some of their games through digital distribution. (So that you can pay $450 for War in the Pacific, for example. >:D )
Edited to add: my brain even seems to think they have a few games on Steam, though I'm not sure...
Ah, yep, Hexwar has adapted several for Steam distribution.
I think they do allow downloads, although not advertised....I asked their support last year when I was considering buying and this is what they told me:
If you have an account with our website, I can set the product order up and send you a link to update the payment information. I would only need to know which games you would like to purchase. All of our computer games can be sent as a download.
So worth a shot if you want the game.....
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on December 04, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
I think they do allow downloads, although not advertised....I asked their support last year when I was considering buying and this is what they told me:
If you have an account with our website, I can set the product order up and send you a link to update the payment information. I would only need to know which games you would like to purchase. All of our computer games can be sent as a download.
So worth a shot if you want the game.....
Good to know, my latest PC doesn't even have a DVD drive
I know a lot of gamers who have new machines don't even bother having a DVD player in the machine.
That's so old skool, Mike! :nerd:
Quote from: demjansk1942 on December 05, 2018, 06:04:30 AM
I know a lot of gamers who have new machines don't even bother having a DVD player in the machine.
I understand this for laptops. My work laptop does not have an optical drive of any sort. I'm not so sure for a desktop...... I would really prefer to have one in that type of rig.
I was surprised when my new gaming rig didn't include a DVD drive. I assumed it as standard and failed to notice it's absence in the specs! Well, my last box was 9 years old so that explains my old man assumptions. I just bought an external drive from Office Depot for the rare occasions when I need one.
Decision Games is at WBC every year. I see their CD's and spend the week thinking about buying one of their PC games but never do. I picture an interface from 20 years ago (don't know if that's at all accurate) and end up passing every time.
Quote from: Ubercat on December 05, 2018, 01:43:25 PM
... I picture an interface from 20 years ago (don't know if that's at all accurate) ...
Yer not wrong.... :P
How is the AI?
Quote from: ArizonaTank on December 06, 2018, 10:51:17 AM
How is the AI?
The AI is the AI from the board game. (rules, charts, response tables, and modifiers by events....)
so i think it pretty slick, otherwise there would be complains all over at BGG about RAF Eagle board game
or i hope so...
Actually i see the PC version just a as a helper tool to tremendously speed up the process of playing
(there is a log file where you can still check all dice rolls and modifiers and what had happend in the background)
here is an example of a one day scenario where i conducted several raids
Quote ----- DAILY PREPARATION / REPAIR -----
Weather: Clear / Patchy. (Dice: 2)
New Time index: 0
Detection Roll: 1
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 4)
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 5)
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 6)
Detection Roll: +1 (Weather)
Detection Roll: +5 (Raid size)
Detection Roll (Final): 13
Warning: Early / Intelligence: Poor
Warning Level: Early
Intelligence Level: Poor
Rendezvous Check Roll: 1
Rendezvous Failure: No
Added to Raid Response Pool: 3 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 2 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 2 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 1 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 1 Plane(s)
Actual Raid Pool size: 8 Plane(s)
Response Priority Roll: 6
11 Group (+1)
Airfield (+2)
Poor intelligence Major Raid (+2)
Response Priority Roll (final): 11
Squadrons to remove from pool: 4
Raid Response Tactics Charts. Squadrons that respond: 4
Hunter Attack. German Planes Attack Value: 0. British Planes Attack Value: 13. Luftwaffe Depletion Level: 0. Nr of Gruppen: 6. Dice: 5
Combat Row: C
Combat Row (Final): C
Combat result (German / British): NLN/DLA
Hunter Attack. German Planes Attack Value: 17. British Planes Attack Value: 6. Luftwaffe Depletion Level: 0. Nr of Gruppen: 3. Dice: 3
Combat Row: G
Combat Row (Final): G
Combat result (German / British): ADH/DNL
Bombing strength: 5
Bombing column: 3
Final bombing column: 3
Bombing roll: 4
Damage / VP Loss: 1
VP Loss reduction (non essential target): -1
New Time index: 1
----- AIRFIELD OPERATIONS -----
New Time index: 1
Detection Roll: 6
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 5)
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 6)
Detection Roll: +1 (Weather)
Detection Roll: +3 (Raid size)
Detection Roll (Final): 14
Warning: Sufficient / Intelligence: Accurate
Warning Level: Sufficient
Intelligence Level: Accurate
Rendezvous Check Roll: 6
Rendezvous Failure: No
Added to Raid Response Pool: 4 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 1 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 1 Plane(s)
Actual Raid Pool size: 4 Plane(s)
Response Priority Roll: 1
11 Group (+1)
Airfield (+2)
Accurate intelligence and >= 1 bomber in raid (+2)
Limited/Accurate intelligence and 6-8 Gruppen in raid (+1)
Response Priority Roll (final): 7
Squadrons to remove from pool: 2
Raid Response Tactics Charts. Squadrons that respond: 2
Hunter Attack. German Planes Attack Value: 0. British Planes Attack Value: 4. Luftwaffe Depletion Level: 0. Nr of Gruppen: 1. Dice: 3
Combat Row: E
Combat Row: -1 (German Altitude Advantage)
Combat Row (Final): D
Combat result (German / British): DDA/DAL
Hunter Attack. German Planes Attack Value: 5. British Planes Attack Value: 4. Luftwaffe Depletion Level: 0. Nr of Gruppen: 1. Dice: 6
Combat Row: H
Combat Row: -1 (German Altitude Advantage)
Combat Row (Final): G
Combat result (German / British): HLD/NAN
Bombing strength: 4
Bombing column: 3
Final bombing column: 3
Bombing roll: 4
Damage / VP Loss: 1
New Time index: 2
----- AIRFIELD OPERATIONS -----
New Time index: 2
Detection Roll: 6
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 2)
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 3)
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 4)
Detection Roll: +1 (Weather)
Detection Roll: +5 (Raid size)
Detection Roll (Final): 18
Warning: Very Early / Intelligence: Limited
Warning Level: Very Early
Intelligence Level: Limited
Rendezvous Check Roll: 3
Rendezvous Failure: No
Added to Raid Response Pool: 3 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 2 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 2 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 1 Plane(s)
Added to Raid Response Pool: 1 Plane(s)
Actual Raid Pool size: 9 Plane(s)
Response Priority Roll: 3
11 Group (+1)
Very Early warning (+1)
Limited/Accurate intelligence and >=12 Gruppen in raid (+3)
Response Priority Roll (final): 8
Squadrons to remove from pool: 3
Raid Response Tactics Charts. Squadrons that respond: 6
Hunter Attack. German Planes Attack Value: 0. British Planes Attack Value: 0. Luftwaffe Depletion Level: 0. Nr of Gruppen: 0. Dice: 1
Bombing strength: 30
Bombing column: 11
Bombing shift: -1 (Patchy Clouds)
Final bombing column: 10
Bombing roll: 5
Damage / VP Loss: 3
Hunter Attack. German Planes Attack Value: 40. British Planes Attack Value: 21. Luftwaffe Depletion Level: 0. Nr of Gruppen: 14. Dice: 1
Combat Row: H
Combat Row (Final): H
Combat result (German / British): DHA/AND
New Time index: 5
----- AIRFIELD OPERATIONS -----
New Time index: 5
Detection Roll: 1
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 1)
Detection Roll: +2 (Radar Net 2)
Detection Roll: +2 (Weather)
Detection Roll: +3 (Raid size)
Detection Roll (Final): 10
Warning: Late / Intelligence: Accurate
Warning Level: Late
Intelligence Level: Accurate
Rendezvous Check Roll: 2
Rendezvous Failure: No
Added to Raid Response Pool: 2 Plane(s)
Actual Raid Pool size: 2 Plane(s)
Response Priority Roll: 6
Accurate intelligence and >= 1 bomber in raid (+2)
Limited/Accurate intelligence and 6-8 Gruppen in raid (+1)
Response Priority Roll (final): 9
Squadrons to remove from pool: 0
Raid Response Tactics Charts. Squadrons that respond: 2
Hunter Attack. German Planes Attack Value: 0. British Planes Attack Value: 0. Luftwaffe Depletion Level: 0. Nr of Gruppen: 0. Dice: 4
Hunter Attack. German Planes Attack Value: 10. British Planes Attack Value: 8. Luftwaffe Depletion Level: 0. Nr of Gruppen: 2. Dice: 6
Combat Row: H
Combat Row (Final): H
Combat result (German / British): LHL/DDN
Bombing strength: 10
Bombing column: 6
Bombing shift: -1 (Patchy Clouds)
Final bombing column: 5
Bombing roll: 1
Damage / VP Loss: 0
Quote from: Ubercat on December 05, 2018, 01:43:25 PM
I picture an interface from 20 years ago (don't know if that's at all accurate) and end up passing every time.
The UI has the charm of a shareware tool from the 90ties ^-^
but the map is a 1:1 representation of the board game map, interactive, updated on the fly to give the information, can get zoomed and dragged around.
overlay are movable windows and message boxes. the chits are crisp.
its functional
max zoomed out
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max zoomed in
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example: Fighter selection (i have to pick from Luftflotte3 to protect the mayor raid on Waymouth Port, )
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example: Gruppen Placement (the 4 fighter Gruppen highlighted are about to add to the Hunt box),
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example of a Result Window
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the original pictures are more sharp, the free picture hosting service seems to takes its toll
- on a side note -
on program stability
atm i am the victim of either a nasty bug with my specific system or maybe its a copyright protection scheme with the CD that is falsely kicking in.
when i start a game and while accessing a target card to place into a slot in the planning phase, sometimes a circular cursor shows up for a short time (as if the program want to read/write access a file or something) and then program just terminates.
I have reinstalled, reinstalled from a different external CD drive, run in admin mode, and tried some compatibility settings too ...but with no luck yet)
of course i have wrote a bug report to Decision Games support, and got a response from the programer Michael Olsen himself in less the 24h, go figure! :)
Really nothing to complain about support here :D
Looks very interesting, Mike.
That looks really interesting. They should have Mike do some screenshots for their website, because they ones they have on there right now look like poo.
For those interested in download versions vs physical shipment, definitely possible and I just completed the transaction. It's maybe not the greatest process but not horrible and well worth it to get delivered as a download. From the time I ordered it until download links given to me, was only about 1/2 day and likely largely due to timezone difference.
1) Go to their site and place an order for the computer game you want. You'll need to still select a shipment option, but that will be removed later. Doesn't appear they charge your credit card right away.
2) Immediately after ordering, send an email to service@decisiongames.com. Within that email, let them know your order details and that you want the download version instead.
3) The support person will process your order without the shipping charges and then provide you with a link to download.
Now whether the game is good is a different story....I more bought it to try out the process versus the game itself:) But I am eager to give it a short and if this turns out good, might try some of their other ones.
...here is a very good video (series) about playing RAF Eagle the boardgame.
The 1 day introductory scenario
Playing through took him about
2 hours and 10 minutes and for those interested in the vids you can see the AI directing the British at work
(when the chances are to bad Spitfires and Hurricanes don't come out to play and England just suck up the eventual bombing damage... the trick as The German is to compose a raid not to small and then get mauled, but tasty enuf to trigger a response, but not to overwhelming so they just fly home. I go for the radar nets first because that reduce the detection level. also ist important to compose waves -if the drawn card allow that planning- in the same sector or near sector.
If all went well with timing, their planes are still on the ground and cant respond in numbers, the single squadron in the pool then stays away to fight another day and Germans can actually do some good bomb damage.... well, if the event cards and dice rolls not ruin the Luftwaffe plans all to much)
With the PC version I just played the introductory scenario in
40 minutes ... and I reeeally have taken my time on planning the raids and later had in addition read the whole logfile of the day too
I scored -8 Victory points, a German win :)
yesterday, (before learning from Ronnie Tuckers videos) I lost a game with a +8 victory points result so.
- on a side note -
i had a very nice, fruitful email and file exchange with Michael Olsen, the programmer. O0
me sending in crash dumps and he sending me new test-candidates.
Didn't had any CTDs anymore with the latest versions, but will test some more ...if RL don't interdict to much.
The support was outstanding.
Ordered Lion and Eagle, and also the Tarawa invasion game. :smitten:
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 13, 2018, 01:28:44 PM
Ordered Lion and Eagle, and also the Tarawa invasion game. :smitten:
I have the Tarawa game and like it, but you do have to figure out how the UI works a bit too much on your own. Also have the D-day at Omaha which I really would like to play more, but it still has bugs that makes it near impossible to win. Which is too bad, because I really like the game mechanics of that series. I wonder if they will make PC versions of Peleliu and Iwo Jima that exist as boardgames?
I suppose there isn't a computer multiplayer adaptation of Lion vs Eagle? -- boardgame only?
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 19, 2018, 09:51:41 AM
I suppose there isn't a computer multiplayer adaptation of Lion vs Eagle? -- boardgame only?
Well kind of a PC variant, if you happen to have Tabletop Simulator,
RAF game can be found in The Workshop of TTS ... i didn't have testet it.
I
assume there is also a Vassal version
Quote from: MikeGER on December 19, 2018, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 19, 2018, 09:51:41 AM
I suppose there isn't a computer multiplayer adaptation of Lion vs Eagle? -- boardgame only?
Well kind of a PC variant, if you happen to have Tabletop Simulator,
RAF game can be found in The Workshop of TTS ... i didn't have testet it.
I assume there is also a Vassal version
Ah, yes! -- thought I had already searched TTS. Thanks!