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Title: GMT's MBT
Post by: Tinkershuffle on July 05, 2015, 09:54:29 AM
How many of you have already pre-ordered this? There was a complaint about unrealistic map terrain but I'm not an expert of german geography so that doesn't bother me. The only thing that bothers a bit is that I would've loved to see the game covering for example historical battles in Yom Kippur or Indo-Pakistan war instead of hypothetical US-Soviet conflict. But I'm still most likely going to buy it.

http://www.gmtgames.com/p-478-mbt.aspx (http://www.gmtgames.com/p-478-mbt.aspx)
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: GJK on July 05, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
Hypothetical 1980's US vs USSR battles don't interest me in the least.  That despite that's what my job was in the Marines (G-2).  Hell, maybe that's why I don't care for it....

I had Panzer but sold it.  I just can't see getting in to another tactical WWII game other than ASL.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Barthheart on July 05, 2015, 01:19:09 PM
I have the orginal MBT from AH, so I haven't ordered the new one. I believe the plan is to expand it into the Mid East if all goes well with the initial release. I might jump on it then.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Staggerwing on July 05, 2015, 03:46:32 PM
I didn't see any sneak peeks of the maps at the game's web page, other than a tiny glimpse on the sample scenario card. What's wrong with them?
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Nefaro on July 05, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
Quote from: Tinkershuffle on July 05, 2015, 09:54:29 AM
.. I would've loved to see the game covering for example historical battles in Yom Kippur or Indo-Pakistan war instead of hypothetical US-Soviet conflict. But I'm still most likely going to buy it.



The old sequel to MBT was called IDF, with scenarios from the Arab-Israeli wars.

I still have mine, but I've spotted them going for reasonable prices on Ebay before.



https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5041/idf-israeli-defense-force

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcf.geekdo-images.com%2Fimages%2Fpic814713_md.jpg&hash=2ce7d98b7f9d7d901e9ba45e33473f9b469c7d3c)
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Tinkershuffle on July 05, 2015, 11:10:07 PM
Thanks Nefaro, I'll keep my eyes open.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: panzerde on July 06, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on July 05, 2015, 03:46:32 PM
I didn't see any sneak peeks of the maps at the game's web page, other than a tiny glimpse on the sample scenario card. What's wrong with them?

I didn't either. I'd like to see a map example, since I'm potentially interested in the system. I might hunt around more aggressively this evening and see what I can turn up.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: bickford on July 17, 2015, 06:58:42 PM
From what was posted on Consimworld the MBT maps will probably be similar in style to the Panzer maps
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gmtgames.com%2Fpanzer%2FSingling-Map.jpg&hash=60a73b46e9d22f47f8bc95a0db38dec9c387d67b)
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Nefaro on July 17, 2015, 08:34:42 PM
Quote from: bickford on July 17, 2015, 06:58:42 PM
From what was posted on Consimworld the MBT maps will probably be similar in style to the Panzer maps

Makes sense since the systems are similar.


-selling seashells by the seashore.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Richie61 on July 18, 2015, 09:41:20 AM
I agree with the maps being the same as Panzer too. I can live with that too  :)

The old MBT maps were nice too  ;)
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic2073972_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: bickford on July 23, 2015, 05:26:42 PM
Correct, the OLD MBT maps are not directly compatible with the NEW MBT and NEW Panzer maps.
The hex grids, road and river connections don't match.
However the NEW MBT maps will be compatible with the NEW Panzer maps.
So in effect there will probably be ~30 maps at least in the NEW series. (20 in the four Panzer games + whatever in three MBT games)
Based on what has been mentioned on the other sites (CSW,BGG) everything in the NEW MBT should work directly with the NEW Panzer.
So we should see M1 Abrams stats directly compatible with PzKpfw VIB Tiger II stats.

Sure, one could play the NEW MBT and NEW Panzer on the OLD MBT maps, just can't connect to the NEW maps.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Tinkershuffle on July 22, 2016, 09:38:10 AM
I heard the game is being shipped right now, has anyone here gotten their copy yet? I probably need to place my order this weekend.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: mirth on July 22, 2016, 09:42:31 AM
A buddy of mine received his pre-order copy this week. We're giving it a play tonight.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Tinkershuffle on July 22, 2016, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 22, 2016, 09:42:31 AM
A buddy of mine received his pre-order copy this week. We're giving it a play tonight.

Sounds excellent, I want pics!
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: mirth on July 22, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
I have a couple I'll post when I get home.  Took a beat down in the tutorial scenario. It is a beautiful game though.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: mirth on July 24, 2016, 12:14:57 PM
Quote from: Tinkershuffle on July 22, 2016, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 22, 2016, 09:42:31 AM
A buddy of mine received his pre-order copy this week. We're giving it a play tonight.

Sounds excellent, I want pics!

The pics I got aren't really worth posting unfortunately. Can't say enough good things about the game though. It's tops on my list of new game acquisitions. And as an FYI, it will be easy to convert the rules/scenarios to use with miniatures.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Tinkershuffle on July 25, 2016, 02:16:42 PM
I've tried to purchase the game both yesterday and today but the add to cart -button is for some reason redirecting to Panzer pusher site, maybe it means the pre-order sale is over.  :P
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: mirth on July 25, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
Quote from: Tinkershuffle on July 25, 2016, 02:16:42 PM
I've tried to purchase the game both yesterday and today but the add to cart -button is for some reason redirecting to Panzer pusher site, maybe it means the pre-order sale is over.  :P

That's a bug with the site. I sent them an email to let them know.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: mirth on July 25, 2016, 05:05:07 PM
They fixed the cart button for MBT and it looks like it's still available for the sale price.

https://www.gmtgames.com/ShoppingCart.aspx?add=true&ReturnUrl=showproduct.aspx?ProductID=478 (https://www.gmtgames.com/ShoppingCart.aspx?add=true&ReturnUrl=showproduct.aspx?ProductID=478)
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Tinkershuffle on July 26, 2016, 12:33:41 AM
Thanks, ordering today!
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: ArizonaTank on July 27, 2016, 12:21:49 AM
Quote from: Tinkershuffle on July 22, 2016, 09:38:10 AM
I heard the game is being shipped right now, has anyone here gotten their copy yet? I probably need to place my order this weekend.

Got my copy last week.  But I am pretty close to the warehouse, so guessing that made it faster.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: BanzaiCat on November 07, 2017, 01:06:52 PM
$95 on GMT's site

$76 on Amazon

Hmmm...
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on November 07, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
And $56.99 from NWS!

http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/mbtgmt.html (http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/mbtgmt.html) :dreamer:
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: BanzaiCat on November 07, 2017, 01:13:18 PM
Day-yyyuuuuuummmm...though I have upcoming Amazon credit to use.

Looks like a great game just from what I've seen in pics. Will watch some let's play vids when I have more time.

Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Nefaro on November 07, 2017, 02:32:47 PM
Edit:

Aren't they making more add-ons for it too?
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: mirth on November 07, 2017, 02:34:08 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on November 07, 2017, 02:32:47 PM
Edit:

Aren't they making more add-ons for it too?

Yes. I think the BAOR expansion is next up.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: JudgeDredd on November 07, 2017, 03:27:40 PM
I'm certain I have this in the loft. If I don't I did....I know I had it.

Well - turns out I don't have it in the loft. I've no idea where that went. What I do have is these classics...

I don't have the map for this. IIRC when I bought it I mounted it on a HUGE piece of chipboard and left it back in my first house in 2000 when I moved  :-\
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4533/37538433134_163b69b3b2_h.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4571/38217486692_d8243d29c9_h.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4446/38194605566_f754528319_h.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4550/38217490882_79214f7f40_h.jpg)
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Zulu1966 on November 07, 2017, 04:55:29 PM
My god. That tank battle game. That picture bought back all kinds of memories.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: BanzaiCat on November 07, 2017, 05:37:11 PM
TSR made some pretty interesting games back in the day. I think I still have A Line In The Sand and Battle Of The Bulge...somewhere.

Could be like JD in that I think they're up in the loft, but they won't be.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Jamm on November 08, 2017, 02:02:54 AM
Yes I had that MB tank game back when I was a kid 8)
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Yskonyn on May 08, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
How would you guys rate MBT and its expansions gameplay wise?
How much bang for the buck do you get when buying this and how is its replayability?

I am really searching for a good, fairly detailed, modern warfare game. I am eyeing 1985: Under an Iron Sky for scratching my operational itch, but I'd also like something more tactical like ASL is for WW2 (and now Korea recently).
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: bayonetbrant on May 08, 2018, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: Yskonyn on May 08, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
I am really searching for a good, fairly detailed, modern warfare game. I am eyeing 1985: Under an Iron Sky for scratching my operational itch, but I'd also like something more tactical like ASL is for WW2 (and now Korea recently).

have you looked into LNLT w/ Heroes Against the Red Star and Day of Heroes and Heroes of the Falklands?
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: JudgeDredd on May 08, 2018, 03:45:33 PM
Also if you want tank on tank stuff, then their World at War series.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Yskonyn on May 08, 2018, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 08, 2018, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: Yskonyn on May 08, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
I am really searching for a good, fairly detailed, modern warfare game. I am eyeing 1985: Under an Iron Sky for scratching my operational itch, but I'd also like something more tactical like ASL is for WW2 (and now Korea recently).

have you looked into LNLT w/ Heroes Against the Red Star and Day of Heroes and Heroes of the Falklands?

Yes I have. The system seems like its a fun one, but I am not too sure about the longevity of the contents in the box? With only a handful of boards it doesn't seem to sport much variety?
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Jack Nastyface on May 09, 2018, 06:00:33 PM

A couple of quick notes...
I have played two games from the Panzer / MBT series, and really enjoy the system.  Gameplay is fairly straight-forward in the basic game, but can be tweaked to include greater complexity, etc.  I also really like the scale, as I prefer to play games that represent individual tanks instead of tank platoons / squads.  I most recently played a game of Panzer, and what I like most is that there is enough detail to show the effect of the many factors that may influence the outcome of a tank battle - range, armament, hit location, armor, shell type, and of course, luck.  Here is a screen shot of some lucky / unlucky hits I had against some stug IVs: 
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi919.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad39%2FJack_Nastyface1805%2Ftrack%2520hits_zpssclt4hvf.jpg&hash=02f10091859ed6479f979ddff120d7d50c001893)


I have also played the WaW series, which is also very enjoyable and plays fairly easily, but the units represent larger formations (company or troop, I think???).


If you are looking for a somewhat detailed game dealing the modern armor that doesn't require excessive book-keeping and micro-management, I think MBT is probably the best thing on the market right now.


Yours in gaming,


Jack Nastyface
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Bison on May 09, 2018, 08:06:12 PM
Honestly you could ditch the leg unit rules and not miss out on much with Panzer.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Yskonyn on May 10, 2018, 07:44:56 AM
Anyone up for some vassal / skype play soonish?
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: BanzaiCat on May 10, 2018, 08:49:31 AM
You might reach out to mirth - he owns MBT and at least one expansion (BAOR), but I'm not sure if he's had a chance to read the rules/play it yet.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Nefaro on May 11, 2018, 02:04:36 AM
I've only been familiar with the original series rules.  They were pretty awesome back in the day.  Especially considering the individual vehicle scale.  \m/  The new editions look to be pretty much the same system.  :notworthy:

I actually sold my old 1993 AH version of IDF a couple months ago, but I also used to own AH's MBT and the Excalibre version of Panzer.  Great stuff.  I wouldn't mind picking up the newest MBT but I've actually been trimming my game collection down lately so that may not happen for awhile.  Plus it looks so much better nowadays, compared to the old '80s era quality.  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: JudgeDredd on May 11, 2018, 05:57:22 AM
I'm surprised to see MBT have a difficulty rating of 3.75. I had it many years ago (90s) and it was very complex iirc.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: Crossroads on May 11, 2018, 07:44:11 AM
Quote from: Jack Nastyface on May 09, 2018, 06:00:33 PM

I have also played the WaW series, which is also very enjoyable and plays fairly easily, but the units represent larger formations (company or troop, I think???).


Nations at War (WW2) and World at War (WW3) are both at platoon scale. Nice games for sure, both sets.
Title: Re: GMT's MBT
Post by: DennisS on June 01, 2018, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 11, 2018, 05:57:22 AM
I'm surprised to see MBT have a difficulty rating of 3.75. I had it many years ago (90s) and it was very complex iirc.

I played MBT back in the day, and me and my friend struggled with the complexity. Not that we were stupid...my friend had his doctorate in meteorology, but the ruleset wasn't laid out well at all.