How many of you have already pre-ordered this? There was a complaint about unrealistic map terrain but I'm not an expert of german geography so that doesn't bother me. The only thing that bothers a bit is that I would've loved to see the game covering for example historical battles in Yom Kippur or Indo-Pakistan war instead of hypothetical US-Soviet conflict. But I'm still most likely going to buy it.
http://www.gmtgames.com/p-478-mbt.aspx (http://www.gmtgames.com/p-478-mbt.aspx)
Hypothetical 1980's US vs USSR battles don't interest me in the least. That despite that's what my job was in the Marines (G-2). Hell, maybe that's why I don't care for it....
I had Panzer but sold it. I just can't see getting in to another tactical WWII game other than ASL.
I have the orginal MBT from AH, so I haven't ordered the new one. I believe the plan is to expand it into the Mid East if all goes well with the initial release. I might jump on it then.
I didn't see any sneak peeks of the maps at the game's web page, other than a tiny glimpse on the sample scenario card. What's wrong with them?
Quote from: Tinkershuffle on July 05, 2015, 09:54:29 AM
.. I would've loved to see the game covering for example historical battles in Yom Kippur or Indo-Pakistan war instead of hypothetical US-Soviet conflict. But I'm still most likely going to buy it.
The old sequel to MBT was called
IDF, with scenarios from the Arab-Israeli wars.
I still have mine, but I've spotted them going for reasonable prices on Ebay before.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5041/idf-israeli-defense-force
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Thanks Nefaro, I'll keep my eyes open.
Quote from: Staggerwing on July 05, 2015, 03:46:32 PM
I didn't see any sneak peeks of the maps at the game's web page, other than a tiny glimpse on the sample scenario card. What's wrong with them?
I didn't either. I'd like to see a map example, since I'm potentially interested in the system. I might hunt around more aggressively this evening and see what I can turn up.
From what was posted on Consimworld the MBT maps will probably be similar in style to the Panzer maps
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Quote from: bickford on July 17, 2015, 06:58:42 PM
From what was posted on Consimworld the MBT maps will probably be similar in style to the Panzer maps
Makes sense since the systems are similar.
-selling seashells by the seashore.
I agree with the maps being the same as Panzer too. I can live with that too :)
The old MBT maps were nice too ;)
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Correct, the OLD MBT maps are not directly compatible with the NEW MBT and NEW Panzer maps.
The hex grids, road and river connections don't match.
However the NEW MBT maps will be compatible with the NEW Panzer maps.
So in effect there will probably be ~30 maps at least in the NEW series. (20 in the four Panzer games + whatever in three MBT games)
Based on what has been mentioned on the other sites (CSW,BGG) everything in the NEW MBT should work directly with the NEW Panzer.
So we should see M1 Abrams stats directly compatible with PzKpfw VIB Tiger II stats.
Sure, one could play the NEW MBT and NEW Panzer on the OLD MBT maps, just can't connect to the NEW maps.
I heard the game is being shipped right now, has anyone here gotten their copy yet? I probably need to place my order this weekend.
A buddy of mine received his pre-order copy this week. We're giving it a play tonight.
Quote from: mirth on July 22, 2016, 09:42:31 AM
A buddy of mine received his pre-order copy this week. We're giving it a play tonight.
Sounds excellent, I want pics!
I have a couple I'll post when I get home. Took a beat down in the tutorial scenario. It is a beautiful game though.
Quote from: Tinkershuffle on July 22, 2016, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 22, 2016, 09:42:31 AM
A buddy of mine received his pre-order copy this week. We're giving it a play tonight.
Sounds excellent, I want pics!
The pics I got aren't really worth posting unfortunately. Can't say enough good things about the game though. It's tops on my list of new game acquisitions. And as an FYI, it will be easy to convert the rules/scenarios to use with miniatures.
I've tried to purchase the game both yesterday and today but the add to cart -button is for some reason redirecting to Panzer pusher site, maybe it means the pre-order sale is over. :P
Quote from: Tinkershuffle on July 25, 2016, 02:16:42 PM
I've tried to purchase the game both yesterday and today but the add to cart -button is for some reason redirecting to Panzer pusher site, maybe it means the pre-order sale is over. :P
That's a bug with the site. I sent them an email to let them know.
They fixed the cart button for MBT and it looks like it's still available for the sale price.
https://www.gmtgames.com/ShoppingCart.aspx?add=true&ReturnUrl=showproduct.aspx?ProductID=478 (https://www.gmtgames.com/ShoppingCart.aspx?add=true&ReturnUrl=showproduct.aspx?ProductID=478)
Thanks, ordering today!
Quote from: Tinkershuffle on July 22, 2016, 09:38:10 AM
I heard the game is being shipped right now, has anyone here gotten their copy yet? I probably need to place my order this weekend.
Got my copy last week. But I am pretty close to the warehouse, so guessing that made it faster.
$95 on GMT's site
$76 on Amazon
Hmmm...
And $56.99 from NWS!
http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/mbtgmt.html (http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/mbtgmt.html) :dreamer:
Day-yyyuuuuuummmm...though I have upcoming Amazon credit to use.
Looks like a great game just from what I've seen in pics. Will watch some let's play vids when I have more time.
Edit:
Aren't they making more add-ons for it too?
Quote from: Nefaro on November 07, 2017, 02:32:47 PM
Edit:
Aren't they making more add-ons for it too?
Yes. I think the BAOR expansion is next up.
I'm certain I have this in the loft. If I don't I did....I know I had it.
Well - turns out I don't have it in the loft. I've no idea where that went. What I do have is these classics...
I don't have the map for this. IIRC when I bought it I mounted it on a HUGE piece of chipboard and left it back in my first house in 2000 when I moved :-\
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My god. That tank battle game. That picture bought back all kinds of memories.
TSR made some pretty interesting games back in the day. I think I still have A Line In The Sand and Battle Of The Bulge...somewhere.
Could be like JD in that I think they're up in the loft, but they won't be.
Yes I had that MB tank game back when I was a kid 8)
How would you guys rate MBT and its expansions gameplay wise?
How much bang for the buck do you get when buying this and how is its replayability?
I am really searching for a good, fairly detailed, modern warfare game. I am eyeing 1985: Under an Iron Sky for scratching my operational itch, but I'd also like something more tactical like ASL is for WW2 (and now Korea recently).
Quote from: Yskonyn on May 08, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
I am really searching for a good, fairly detailed, modern warfare game. I am eyeing 1985: Under an Iron Sky for scratching my operational itch, but I'd also like something more tactical like ASL is for WW2 (and now Korea recently).
have you looked into LNLT w/ Heroes Against the Red Star and Day of Heroes and Heroes of the Falklands?
Also if you want tank on tank stuff, then their World at War series.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 08, 2018, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: Yskonyn on May 08, 2018, 03:01:27 PM
I am really searching for a good, fairly detailed, modern warfare game. I am eyeing 1985: Under an Iron Sky for scratching my operational itch, but I'd also like something more tactical like ASL is for WW2 (and now Korea recently).
have you looked into LNLT w/ Heroes Against the Red Star and Day of Heroes and Heroes of the Falklands?
Yes I have. The system seems like its a fun one, but I am not too sure about the longevity of the contents in the box? With only a handful of boards it doesn't seem to sport much variety?
A couple of quick notes...
I have played two games from the Panzer / MBT series, and really enjoy the system. Gameplay is fairly straight-forward in the basic game, but can be tweaked to include greater complexity, etc. I also really like the scale, as I prefer to play games that represent individual tanks instead of tank platoons / squads. I most recently played a game of Panzer, and what I like most is that there is enough detail to show the effect of the many factors that may influence the outcome of a tank battle - range, armament, hit location, armor, shell type, and of course, luck. Here is a screen shot of some lucky / unlucky hits I had against some stug IVs:
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I have also played the WaW series, which is also very enjoyable and plays fairly easily, but the units represent larger formations (company or troop, I think???).
If you are looking for a somewhat detailed game dealing the modern armor that doesn't require excessive book-keeping and micro-management, I think MBT is probably the best thing on the market right now.
Yours in gaming,
Jack Nastyface
Honestly you could ditch the leg unit rules and not miss out on much with Panzer.
Anyone up for some vassal / skype play soonish?
You might reach out to mirth - he owns MBT and at least one expansion (BAOR), but I'm not sure if he's had a chance to read the rules/play it yet.
I've only been familiar with the original series rules. They were pretty awesome back in the day. Especially considering the individual vehicle scale. \m/ The new editions look to be pretty much the same system. :notworthy:
I actually sold my old 1993 AH version of IDF a couple months ago, but I also used to own AH's MBT and the Excalibre version of Panzer. Great stuff. I wouldn't mind picking up the newest MBT but I've actually been trimming my game collection down lately so that may not happen for awhile. Plus it looks so much better nowadays, compared to the old '80s era quality. :coolsmiley:
I'm surprised to see MBT have a difficulty rating of 3.75. I had it many years ago (90s) and it was very complex iirc.
Quote from: Jack Nastyface on May 09, 2018, 06:00:33 PM
I have also played the WaW series, which is also very enjoyable and plays fairly easily, but the units represent larger formations (company or troop, I think???).
Nations at War (WW2) and World at War (WW3) are both at platoon scale. Nice games for sure, both sets.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on May 11, 2018, 05:57:22 AM
I'm surprised to see MBT have a difficulty rating of 3.75. I had it many years ago (90s) and it was very complex iirc.
I played MBT back in the day, and me and my friend struggled with the complexity. Not that we were stupid...my friend had his doctorate in meteorology, but the ruleset wasn't laid out well at all.