http://www.matrixgames.com/products/637/details/WarsofSuccession
Oh my god ageod please stop, your engine makes me cry.
Lol. Pretty much sums up my feelings.
I know some folks still like it, but rather them to take a pause and begin moving to a new version at some point.
I'm playing The Thirty Years War now and I'm really enjoying it. This will definitely be a buy for me.
Count me among those tired of the AGE engine.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 07, 2016, 05:15:02 PM
I know some folks still like it, but rather them to take a pause and begin moving to a new version at some point.
They are working on a new version of the engine.
Ageod interview (http://www.wargamer.com/news/an-interview-with-ageod/)
"AGEOD: More than a rumor, as it was announced in the Home of Wargamers 2015, which is the Slitherine Convention! Indeed, there is a new engine in the making that we are developing in-house with several Slitherine developers located in Canada. It will be a turn based (WEGO) engine that strives to be the best of both worlds, between having modern graphics while keeping the innovative gameplay of Ageod."
I'll wait for the new engine then:)
tried, didnt click with me. I like the off beat subjects but the engines doesnt do it for me.
Well... here's a couple wars high on my wishlist. War of Spanish Succession and Great Northern War? Sign me up.
I don't have much of a problem with AGE games if:
1) It isn't sluggish or bogged down for an exceptionally long time during turn resolution. (too much junk jammed into old engine)
2) They don't skimp on the artwork.
and
3) The title in question covers something pre- 19th century. Line battles before long front lines, or widely sweeping Corps attempting to emulate same.
Like most other games, I only play them in short stretches. So when they are being released once every three or four months, it will take awhile before I get around to any of the latest.
Quote from: Nefaro on July 08, 2016, 10:48:05 AM
Well... here's a couple wars high on my wishlist. War of Spanish Succession and Great Northern War? Sign me up.
Evidently it's possible to play both wars simultaneously. Got a huge map of Europe / Med, might as well use it!
Oh yes, very much interested in being able to play the War of Spanish Succession. But I'm a little concerned given the criticism of their latest Napoleonic game. Will have to wait and see. Otherwise it would have been a Day One purchase.
The engine is fine for some games doesn't do well for the ones more epic in scale unfortunately. I still love RoP, ACW2 and AJE especially. The engine is just fine when they keep the proper scale. The smaller wars of the Romans is a great example versus the epic scale of World War I which was horrible
Quote from: IronX on July 08, 2016, 12:23:47 PM
Oh yes, very much interested in being able to play the War of Spanish Succession. But I'm a little concerned given the criticism of their latest Napoleonic game. Will have to wait and see. Otherwise it would have been a Day One purchase.
Nspoleonic game had bugs on release. Most of those were cleared up. It's a good game, I just don't care for diplomacy in my wargame
Damn, I should have picked it up during the Steam sale. I thought it was still very buggy.
I love AGEOD games. I can't wait to see the new engine. Hopefully it will be introduced with Pride of Nations 2. (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Fplease.gif&hash=79b5fa88c4dbd5efb66763bad0d968825be8d4ef)
Quote from: mikeck on July 08, 2016, 06:41:25 PM
Quote from: IronX on July 08, 2016, 12:23:47 PM
Oh yes, very much interested in being able to play the War of Spanish Succession. But I'm a little concerned given the criticism of their latest Napoleonic game. Will have to wait and see. Otherwise it would have been a Day One purchase.
Nspoleonic game had bugs on release. Most of those were cleared up. It's a good game, I just don't care for diplomacy in my wargame
This is entirely why I haven't bought the new Napoleonic game. Let Paradox handle that stuff, and use the AGEOD engine for what it works with - fast moving operational games without static fronts. Games where they do that seem to work well.
As for this new one, the subject matter is enough that I'll be grabbing it day one.
PrON 2? Has that been announced or is it just speculation?
Just speculation. It would be nice if they released it with a new engine. :smitten:
Pocus did say on the AGEOD forum that another patch was coming that should speed up turn times a bit for Pride of Nations.
Quote from: Hofstadter on July 07, 2016, 05:05:55 PM
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/637/details/WarsofSuccession
Oh my god ageod please stop, your engine makes me cry.
+1 And I really wanted to like
Pride of Nations.
Quote from: panzerde on July 09, 2016, 05:09:12 PM
Quote from: mikeck on July 08, 2016, 06:41:25 PM
Quote from: IronX on July 08, 2016, 12:23:47 PM
Oh yes, very much interested in being able to play the War of Spanish Succession. But I'm a little concerned given the criticism of their latest Napoleonic game. Will have to wait and see. Otherwise it would have been a Day One purchase.
Nspoleonic game had bugs on release. Most of those were cleared up. It's a good game, I just don't care for diplomacy in my wargame
This is entirely why I haven't bought the new Napoleonic game. Let Paradox handle that stuff, and use the AGEOD engine for what it works with - fast moving operational games without static fronts. Games where they do that seem to work well.
As for this new one, the subject matter is enough that I'll be grabbing it day one.
Agree 100%. I hope they keep this one simple. If left to be a complex operational warfare game, I think the engine is still the best out there for pre-modern warfare. They muck it up with diplomacy and trying to do modern wars. Have a scenario where on side is France and one is the British/Dutch/HRE alliance: 1703-1710 or something. She British must protect the Low Countries and the HRE. France must break the coalition up and occupy the Low Countries. Traditionally the Dutch leadership were very hesitant to agree on an offensive (finally they did and it led to Marlborough and Eugene handing France its first loss in decades at Blenheim) fearing the French would attack the Low Countries. They felt the army should be used inside the fortifications. The British knew the French were better than anyone -with general Vauban- at laying siege:
So, model this with a need for substantial political/engagement points in order to take the army out of the Netherlands. This would come over Time. This INSTEAD of some type of diplomatic model where I can simply break my treaty with the Dutch.
A few screenshots: Wars of Succession first screenshots (http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?49315-Wars-of-Succession-first-screenshots!&p=383060#post383060)
Quote from: bbmike on July 08, 2016, 07:37:01 PM
I love AGEOD games. I can't wait to see the new engine. Hopefully it will be introduced with Pride of Nations 2. (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Fplease.gif&hash=79b5fa88c4dbd5efb66763bad0d968825be8d4ef)
PON2? Now that would be awesome. O0
Quote from: panzerde on July 09, 2016, 05:09:12 PM
This is entirely why I haven't bought the new Napoleonic game. Let Paradox handle that stuff, and use the AGEOD engine for what it works with - fast moving operational games without static fronts. Games where they do that seem to work well.
As for this new one, the subject matter is enough that I'll be grabbing it day one.
+1
When they avoid diplomacy, static fronts and century spanning eras they produce masterful games.
Can't wait to see what its like to have Marlborough as a commander, will they have enough leader traits in the engine for his genius.
The Big Blue Blob vs All. The Game. ^-^
Some details about the new game: Its-Good-to-be-the-King! (http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?50304-Its-Good-to-be-the-King!)
I just signed up to be a beta tester. Wish it was an open beta. Oh well, hoping I get a chance to test it out. I am a little disappointed that they seem to be emphasizing how much a number of things have been simplified...like supply and unit structure. Seemed to work in WIA I suppose. Surprisingly, the only thing that kills the game for me is if the turns are 1 month. On WIA, this was ridiculous. It should not take a month for general Washington in New Jersey to get a message to the army across the river in Pensylvania. Couldn't really get a campaign going.
Anyway. The War of the Spanish Secession is underappreciated I think. It set up a lot of the "lines" fought over in subsequent wars and featured two of the best Generals ever to fight: John Churchill Duke of Marlborough and Prince Eugene of Savoy
It does sound like they're dumbing-down the game some. I like the more complex nature of AGEOD's games would miss some aspects of it if it's taken out. Limited types of units would also be a bore unless justified by historical accuracy needs. So.... we'll see. :coolsmiley:
Quote from: Sir Slash on September 14, 2016, 10:22:16 PM
It does sound like they're dumbing-down the game some. I like the more complex nature of AGEOD's games would miss some aspects of it if it's taken out. Limited types of units would also be a bore unless justified by historical accuracy needs. So.... we'll see. :coolsmiley:
I think they are going for the WIA feel. More streamlined than recent ones. MAY WORK out better
Release date is January 25th: Wars of Succession release date (http://www.matrixgames.com/news/2482/Wars.of.Succession.will.be.released.on.January.25th)
If you enjoy the period, this is going to be a good game.
Looking forward to it. Thanks for the heads up.
I have been a beta tester for a long time now. To me, this game strikes the perfect balance between "lighter" affairs such as Thirty Years War and the overly complex Wars of Napoleon. I would compare it to Rise of Prussia in terms of complexity. It is very polished.
If you have any interest in the time period and enjoy the AGEOD system, you'll definitely enjoy it. After all, if gaming the War of Spanish Succession or The Great Northern War is your "thing"....options are limited!
I will qualify it by saying I am an AGEOD fanboy...but to me, this is the best AGEOD game to come out since Rise if Prussia (which to me was perfect)
Quote from: mikeck on January 12, 2018, 02:20:02 PM
I have been a beta tester for a long time now. To me, this game strikes the perfect balance between "lighter" affairs such as Thirty Years War and the overly complex Wars of Napoleon. I would compare it to Rise of Prussia in terms of complexity. It is very polished.
If you have any interest in the time period and enjoy the AGEOD system, you'll definitely enjoy it. After all, if gaming the War of Spanish Succession or The Great Northern War is your "thing"....options are limited!
I will qualify it by saying I am an AGEOD fanboy...but to me, this is the best AGEOD game to come out since Rise if Prussia (which to me was perfect)
I've been testing it too, and Mike is right on all counts, including the comparison to Rise of Prussia. Really their best effort in some time.
John Churchill was a badass...carry on
Quote from: panzerde on January 12, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
If you enjoy the period, this is going to be a good game.
I do!
Two very interesting wars. :nerd:
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 12, 2018, 02:48:05 PM
John Churchill was a badass...carry on
He is..as is one of my favorites: Eugene of Savoy as well as Charles the XII. Such a great era for warfare
Quote from: Hofstadter on July 07, 2016, 05:05:55 PM
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/637/details/WarsofSuccession
Oh my god ageod please stop, your engine makes me cry.
That is the reason I stopped purchasing AGEOD games. I hope they finish their new engine soon.
Quote from: Greybriar on January 13, 2018, 07:59:19 AM
Quote from: Hofstadter on July 07, 2016, 05:05:55 PM
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/637/details/WarsofSuccession
Oh my god ageod please stop, your engine makes me cry.
That is the reason I stopped purchasing AGEOD games. I hope they finish their new engine soon.
To each his own but I don't think the problems are with the age of the engine. It's what they asked the engine to do. Games like Wars of Napoleon and To End all Wars asked the engine to do waaaaay too much. I don't think one can play Thirty Years War and find fault with anything. Really. Wars of Succession is the same but with a larger scale. It suits the engine perfectly.
Did they include the 'Turn Replay' feature in this one Mikeck? It's in some games but not others but I found it very helpful to see what actually happened a lot of times after I pushed the 'End Turn' button.
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 15, 2018, 11:32:58 AM
Did they include the 'Turn Replay' feature in this one Mikeck? It's in some games but not others but I found it very helpful to see what actually happened a lot of times after I pushed the 'End Turn' button.
Not sure I've EVER noticed that so I can take a look.
But
It was in AJE and Birth of America but not in Civil War 2 so.... probably extinct now.
Gameplay video by Agrippa Maxentius: Wars of Succession gameplay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gqpi3iHgI4)
Quote from: WallysWorld on January 16, 2018, 05:27:23 PM
Gameplay video by Agrippa Maxentius: Wars of Succession gameplay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gqpi3iHgI4)
Thanks...although always itching for a new game, the video shows the game continues to have nice portraits and graphics, but it also on the surface does not seem enough different (obviously the wars are different) then the other games that would entice me to buy and play it after purchasing a number of the other titles.
Not a knock on the game at all, I am sure everyone who plays the previous titles will love it, but guessing people like me who didn't enjoy the previous titles won't have their minds changed either.
Who knows, we'll see....
Quote from: mikeck on July 08, 2016, 06:14:17 PM
The engine is fine for some games doesn't do well for the ones more epic in scale unfortunately. I still love RoP, ACW2 and AJE especially. The engine is just fine when they keep the proper scale. The smaller wars of the Romans is a great example versus the epic scale of World War I which was horrible
I agree. I think RoP and the Roman games worked well -- because of the scale and technology involved and a good analytic structure behind the scenarios. The game system is completely at the mercy (as any system is -- but it is more painfully obvious sometimes in the AGE system) of the casual analysis of the events. The thirty-years war and Espana! just did not arrive in a reasonable analytic ballpark approximation of the events they supposedly portrayed. The early 18th century should work fine in the AGE, but the analytic side can still fail in ways that are just as unimaginably weird as in thirty-years war and Espana!
Quote from: MengJiao on January 17, 2018, 06:51:38 AM
Quote from: mikeck on July 08, 2016, 06:14:17 PM
The engine is fine for some games doesn't do well for the ones more epic in scale unfortunately. I still love RoP, ACW2 and AJE especially. The engine is just fine when they keep the proper scale. The smaller wars of the Romans is a great example versus the epic scale of World War I which was horrible
I agree. I think RoP and the Roman games worked well -- because of the scale and technology involved and a good analytic structure behind the scenarios. The game system is completely at the mercy (as any system is -- but it is more painfully obvious sometimes in the AGE system) of the casual analysis of the events. The thirty-years war and Espana! just did not arrive in a reasonable analytic ballpark approximation of the events they supposedly portrayed. The early 18th century should work fine in the AGE, but the analytic side can still fail in ways that are just as unimaginably weird as in thirty-years war and Espana!
What are you talking about meng? "At the mercy of the casual analysis"? "Not arrive in a reasonable analytic ballpark approximation"? "Analytic side can still fail in ways that are just as unimaginably weird..."?
You've totally got me scratching my head...this is either total jibberish, or very high-level grog speak that is way over my head. My money is on the latter!
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 17, 2018, 07:32:28 AM
Quote from: MengJiao on January 17, 2018, 06:51:38 AM
Quote from: mikeck on July 08, 2016, 06:14:17 PM
The engine is fine for some games doesn't do well for the ones more epic in scale unfortunately. I still love RoP, ACW2 and AJE especially. The engine is just fine when they keep the proper scale. The smaller wars of the Romans is a great example versus the epic scale of World War I which was horrible
I agree. I think RoP and the Roman games worked well -- because of the scale and technology involved and a good analytic structure behind the scenarios. The game system is completely at the mercy (as any system is -- but it is more painfully obvious sometimes in the AGE system) of the casual analysis of the events. The thirty-years war and Espana! just did not arrive in a reasonable analytic ballpark approximation of the events they supposedly portrayed. The early 18th century should work fine in the AGE, but the analytic side can still fail in ways that are just as unimaginably weird as in thirty-years war and Espana!
What are you talking about meng? "At the mercy of the casual analysis"? "Not arrive in a reasonable analytic ballpark approximation"? "Analytic side can still fail in ways that are just as unimaginably weird..."?
You've totally got me scratching my head...this is either total jibberish, or very high-level grog speak that is way over my head. My money is on the latter!
LOL...I thought the same thing but didn't post it.
I haven't played Espana but The thirty-years war felt odd. The gameplay was good, but the campaign was quirky. It felt like bunch of shorter scenarios put together. It depicted waging war in that era well IMO, but not the thirty-years war as a conflict.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 17, 2018, 07:32:28 AM
Quote from: MengJiao on January 17, 2018, 06:51:38 AM
Quote from: mikeck on July 08, 2016, 06:14:17 PM
The engine is fine for some games doesn't do well for the ones more epic in scale unfortunately. I still love RoP, ACW2 and AJE especially. The engine is just fine when they keep the proper scale. The smaller wars of the Romans is a great example versus the epic scale of World War I which was horrible
I agree. I think RoP and the Roman games worked well -- because of the scale and technology involved and a good analytic structure behind the scenarios. The game system is completely at the mercy (as any system is -- but it is more painfully obvious sometimes in the AGE system) of the casual analysis of the events. The thirty-years war and Espana! just did not arrive in a reasonable analytic ballpark approximation of the events they supposedly portrayed. The early 18th century should work fine in the AGE, but the analytic side can still fail in ways that are just as unimaginably weird as in thirty-years war and Espana!
What are you talking about meng? "At the mercy of the casual analysis"? "Not arrive in a reasonable analytic ballpark approximation"? "Analytic side can still fail in ways that are just as unimaginably weird..."?
You've totally got me scratching my head...this is either total jibberish, or very high-level grog speak that is way over my head. My money is on the latter!
It's a problem for all games that have some kind of a simulation with events that can influence each other side, but it can be more disturbing in the AGEOD engine I think because there's a lot of ways the events and things (cards, production and so on) can interact. Espana and Thirty-years war were very rigid to the point that there wasn't all that much point in playing the games. I'm not sure what went wrong with To end all Wars and ACW2, but it seems to have had more to do with the technologies (railroads? -- though they worded okay in Revoltion Under Seige) or the sheer size of the armies. I think the designers really have to be careful in the AGEOD engine just because it has so much going on in terms of possibilities and once those go off the rails ( so to speak) you go out of the ballpark pretty fast.
(https://i.imgur.com/WuE7srk.jpg)
Dressed like THAT, who could argue? :P
Prinz Eugen is fabulous
Quote from: panzerde on January 20, 2018, 03:18:34 PM
Prinz Eugen is fabulous
He would no doubt be amused to know that the most notable ship named after him, the Prinz Eugen, was a heavy cruiser.
Quote from: Staggerwing on January 20, 2018, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: panzerde on January 20, 2018, 03:18:34 PM
Prinz Eugen is fabulous
He would no doubt be amused to know that the most notable ship named after him, the Prinz Eugen, was a heavy cruiser.
:DD
I heard they both carried a heavy load of seamen. ::) And 8 inchers.
New screenshots: WoS screenshots (http://www.matrixgames.com/news/2493/Wars.of.Succession.-.New.Screenshots) and here too: WoS product page (http://www.matrixgames.com/products/637/details/WarsofSuccession)
Ohhh. That's HOT! :smitten:
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 22, 2018, 07:38:12 PM
Ohhh. That's HOT! :smitten:
I'm admittedly biased toward the period, but I really think this is the best AGEOD game since Rise of Prussia.
Quote from: panzerde on January 22, 2018, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 22, 2018, 07:38:12 PM
Ohhh. That's HOT! :smitten:
I'm admittedly biased toward the period, but I really think this is the best AGEOD game since Rise of Prussia.
Seems very likely.
Fingers are crossed. :peace:
Quote from: panzerde on January 22, 2018, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 22, 2018, 07:38:12 PM
Ohhh. That's HOT! :smitten:
I'm admittedly biased toward the period, but I really think this is the best AGEOD game since Rise of Prussia.
Agree 100%.
Plus the war itself is great for gaming. The sides are evenly matched, it has a large scope (all of Western Europe), it was a transition period in warfare and three of the greatest generals of all time fought in it. (I'm including Charles the XII since the great northern war can be games as well and was taking place at the same time
Thinking of Charles XII, there is a great story about the one time he met with Marlborough.
Charles had defeated Augustus the Strong of Saxony and was pursuing him into Germany with the whole Swedish army.
This was of great concern to Marlborough because Charles was receiving a lot of financial support from France. What if he suddenly invaded the Austrian heartland, instead of moving into Saxony? This coudl upset his strategic aliances.
Well the Duke was nothing, if not self confident. He went to meet with Charles, while bringing along a HUGE money chest.
Meeting with Charles was easy. Charles recognized Marlborough as a kindred spirit and one of the greatest generals of the age. He welcomed the Duke.
After a short time, Marlborough brought up his concern about Charles turning south and attacking his Habsburg ally. Charles assured him that this was not his intention and he would never do anything so ungentlemanly. In fact, if it would please the Duke, he'd turn back to Poland and attend to that blackguard Piotr of Russia.
Marlborough complimented Charles on his honor and thanked him for his concern about the Duke's feelings. Charles did turn around, did not catch and crush Augustus, and the Duke could get back to bashing the French.
And since Charles was such a gentleman, it was beneath the Duke to offer him the money chest as a bribe. He just kept it as recompense for all his own efforts.
Great story, besilarius. Thanks for posting.
This game will probably make me want to re-read Robert Massie's "Peter the Great" and especially the part about the Great Northern War.
Quote from: besilarius on January 23, 2018, 06:42:19 PM
And since Charles was such a gentleman, it was beneath the Duke to offer him the money chest as a bribe. He just kept it as recompense for all his own efforts.
Which is exactly the sort of thing that Marlborough ended up being known for. One of the greatest generals ever, and possibly the greatest English general ever, but he certainly was fond of the money! The Churchills did end up filthy rich in the end...
Its alive...ITS ALIIIVE!
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I'm torn on this one. I love AGEOD games but it is way, way past time for them to move to a new game engine. Not sure I will buy any more on the current engine. :(
I'm having problems installing and running...anybody else?
These things usually start out 'buggy'. I remember.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 25, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
I'm having problems installing and running...anybody else?
I'll be buying this within a day or two, but someone else had an issue installing the game: Wars of Succession install issue (http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4425709)
will be watching for the feedback.....hopefully enough positive vibes will convince me to give the series another chance:)
$30 Isn't too bad for a new release.
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 25, 2018, 07:35:54 PM
$30 Isn't too bad for a new release.
A new release on an
11 year old game engine. (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Fshrug.gif&hash=c0775dc6a9050410ea44a188eb4e3d7cb5fec138)
True. And month-long turns again. I like two-week turns better. Still, a great time period for a AGEOD game. I wonder if the Turks are involved at all?
That's nobodies business but the Turks.
But Constantinople was such a good name.
Quote from: WallysWorld on January 25, 2018, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 25, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
I'm having problems installing and running...anybody else?
I'll be buying this within a day or two, but someone else had an issue installing the game: Wars of Succession install issue (http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4425709)
Hi WallysWorld
Have you tried to install as Administrator? Right click the exe and "Run as administrator". Also make sure your virus checker is not blocking the install.
I hope this helps.
Regards
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 25, 2018, 10:53:04 PM
True. And month-long turns again. I like two-week turns better. Still, a great time period for a AGEOD game. I wonder if the Turks are involved at all?
No Turks, this covers the War of Spanish Succession and the Great Northern War. The Turks had recently been bashed on pretty badly by Eugene and sat this period out.
There was some talk during the beta about an add on covering the Russo-Turkish War, but I don't recall reading anything concrete about that happening.
As for month turns, I like two week turns too, and think not having them in To End All Wars was a crime. They work pretty well during this period, though.
I can live with the month-long turns, it's not a big issue. I was hoping there was an option for Charles the 12th to take shelter with the Turks like he did historically if he gets his nuts in the fire in Russia and maybe lead a mass of Janissaries back at them.
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 26, 2018, 11:35:43 AM
I can live with the month-long turns, it's not a big issue. I was hoping there was an option for Charles the 12th to take shelter with the Turks like he did historically if he gets his nuts in the fire in Russia and maybe lead a mass of Janissaries back at them.
Well, hopefully if your playing Sweden right, he won't have to escape to the Ottoman Empire
The way I play, the Ottoman Empire probably won't be far enough.
Quote from: Philthib on January 26, 2018, 10:18:33 AM
Quote from: WallysWorld on January 25, 2018, 05:10:46 PM
I'll be buying this within a day or two, but someone else had an issue installing the game: Wars of Succession install issue (http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4425709)
Hi WallysWorld
Have you tried to install as Administrator? Right click the exe and "Run as administrator". Also make sure your virus checker is not blocking the install.
I hope this helps.
Regards
No, I haven't purchased the game yet. I was just quoting a thread on the Matrix forum about someone else having an install issue.
One of the wars I know so little about.
But I bought Espania and have not played it.
I also really want to play Strategic Command the Great War: Breakthroughs the Russian Revolution scenario. They updated and ported - and I never played that one and want to do so.
Plus I'm almost finished with PanzerKreig from the Order of Battle WW2 series. I'm going to finish that, plus complete the last turn or two of Azathoth versus the world.
If this game is stable and reasonably fun, I'll probably pick this up in the next year and a half. No rush - I have a ton of great games unplayed.
Quick fix for the game: Requisitions Quick Fix (http://www.ageod-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=397&t=52180)
I've played almost every AGEOD game and I don't like the month-long turns either. I don't understand why they feel like a month long order cycle is more appropriate than 2 weeks. If I dispatch an army to attack a fortress, generally it doesn't take a month for them to get my order to do so.
That said, I never really noticed in this game. Everything just SEEMS right. I never really noticed an issue
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Is the manual available anywhere for perusal before purchase? I can't find it at Ageod or Slitherine.
It's a forgone conclusion that I will purchase the game considering my great interest in the GNW but I wanted to wait a few weeks or however long it takes for the first post release patch to come out so I can avoid dealing with hotfixes, etc. I wanted to print and read the manual at my leisure to get ready.
Quote from: panzerde on January 26, 2018, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 25, 2018, 10:53:04 PM
True. And month-long turns again. I like two-week turns better. Still, a great time period for a AGEOD game. I wonder if the Turks are involved at all?
No Turks, this covers the War of Spanish Succession and the Great Northern War. The Turks had recently been bashed on pretty badly by Eugene and sat this period out.
There was some talk during the beta about an add on covering the Russo-Turkish War, but I don't recall reading anything concrete about that happening.
As for month turns, I like two week turns too, and think not having them in To End All Wars was a crime. They work pretty well during this period, though.
To End All Wars had two week turns.
Quote from: Blucher on January 29, 2018, 06:17:09 AM
To End All Wars had two week turns.
Did it? It's been since the week it came out since I touched it. All I remember is feeling like the turns were far too long for what it was trying to represent. Apparently I just equated that with the month-long turns.
Quote from: panzerde on January 29, 2018, 08:11:19 AM
Quote from: Blucher on January 29, 2018, 06:17:09 AM
To End All Wars had two week turns.
Did it? It's been since the week it came out since I touched it. All I remember is feeling like the turns were far too long for what it was trying to represent. Apparently I just equated that with the month-long turns.
Yeah it does. I actually reinstalled it to double check haha. I think AGEOD games work best in the 18th century that they were originally designed for Birth of America. I just got this game and with a little A.I. tweaking it plays really nice. I don't find the month long turns in this to be bad. Started my second game of the Italian scenario. Held back a bit the second time. I tried blitzing into Italy with Eugene and had my supply lines back to Austria cut by Bourbon coalition in my first game. Playing a little more conservatively the second time around. Also I love the music in this.
Quote from: Blucher on January 29, 2018, 08:25:01 AM
Yeah it does. I actually reinstalled it to double check haha. I think AGEOD games work best in the 18th century that they were originally designed for Birth of America. I just got this game and with a little A.I. tweaking it plays really nice. I don't find the month long turns in this to be bad. Started my second game of the Italian scenario. Held back a bit the second time. I tried blitzing into Italy with Eugene and had my supply lines back to Austria cut by Bourbon coalition in my first game. Playing a little more conservatively the second time around. Also I love the music in this.
I completely agree, the engine is best at simulating this period. As for playing conservatively, this game (WoS) really shows the reason generals of the period so often avoided pitched battles. I've really taken to not fighting unless I'm sure I'm going to win. I usually move armies with a defensive posture and set to defend and retreat unless I'm going for a kill.
Edit: incompetence
Review over at the Wargamer if anyone's interested.
I don't trust Wargamer reviews of Matrix games since they have the same owner. Nevertheless the game is probably great and I've already bought it.
I printed the manual and read most of it. It will definitely have to be updated at some point. There are references to Roman legions, trains, and at one point it refers to itself as the manual for Wars of Napoleon! It also appears to describe the supply system as the same as that for ACW2. I doubt that's the case in the game as other 18th century titles don't use that (more advanced) system of depot supply forwarding. The book also implies that this game uses the same army/corps structure as ACW2. Again, not likely. I'll find out soon enough.
I just realized that the manual for AJE has never been updated past 1.0. Maybe it didn't start with so many errors and so never needed fixing.
One thing I can't find in the manual is a breakdown of what the information on the unit card pertains to, particularly the three bars. I'm assuming the last one is supply of some sort. Any idea on what they mean?
Quote from: IronX on February 07, 2018, 02:58:49 PM
One thing I can't find in the manual is a breakdown of what the information on the unit card pertains to, particularly the three bars. I'm assuming the last one is supply of some sort. Any idea on what they mean?
I had to search for that too and now have a document with the answer ready for any Ageod games. Retrieved from different posts on the Ageod forum.
Bars on the force counter:
Red = Strength
Blue = Cohesion
Green= Supply
The three bars on stacks are, from left to right:
-- hit-points of present/hit-points possible
-- average current cohesion/full cohesion
-- average current supply/full supply
Thanks. I've not played an AGEOD game in a long time and forgot. It really should be one of the first things in a manual.
Quote from: IronX on February 07, 2018, 04:04:52 PM
Thanks. I've not played an AGEOD game in a long time and forgot. It really should be one of the first things in a manual.
It's ridiculously hard to find that information. It should be right in the section describing the UI and what's on the counters. Unfortunately as noted above, AGEOD doesn't seem to be keeping their manuals current. During playtesting I assumed that the obviously incomplete manual was just a placeholder. Looks like it shipped with that one.
Your best bet is to go to Steam and download the manual for "thirty years war".
Frankly, that's the most similar
Good idea. Got it. Thanks!
Review. He says the same I did....that as an avid fanboy, this is one of the best AGEOD offerings
http://www.awargamersneedfulthings.co.uk/2018/02/wars-of-succession-by-ageod.html?spref=fb&m=1
Quote from: mikeck on February 12, 2018, 10:02:34 AM
Review. He says the same I did....that as an avid fanboy, this is one of the best AGEOD offerings
http://www.awargamersneedfulthings.co.uk/2018/02/wars-of-succession-by-ageod.html?spref=fb&m=1
I just got it on sale on Steam (25% off or something). It is HUGE! And looks FANTASTIC! And that's ALL I KNOW.
They did a great job with it. I was happy to see with The 30 years war, English civil war and Wars of Succession that AGEOD moves away from the overly complex versions and went back to its roots.
Let's face it, they game in areas that not a lot of other games cover so it's a good engine to be famiar with
Quote from: mikeck on July 08, 2016, 06:14:17 PM
The engine is fine for some games doesn't do well for the ones more epic in scale unfortunately. I still love RoP, ACW2 and AJE especially. The engine is just fine when they keep the proper scale. The smaller wars of the Romans is a great example versus the epic scale of World War I which was horrible
I'm usually repeating myself about AGEOD, but here goes: RoP is a great game. The Roman stuff is good. RUS was okay. The Napoleonic things seem okay (not sure since I've very tired of 1805 and 1809). Everything else (except probably Wars of Succession) has pretty serious problems of one kind or another (not necessarily the engine's problems)
I think I'm games like Wars of Napoleon and End all Wars, they are pushing the engine too hard. The AI simply cannot properly use diplomacy or grand strategy. Limit it to recruiting, building armies and moving them operationally and it's great. But I think most realize that.
I would just say that if you have any interest in operational 18th century warfare and don't dislike the AGEOD system, you should check this one out
Quote from: mikeck on June 15, 2018, 02:52:44 PM
I think I'm games like Wars of Napoleon and End all Wars, they are pushing the engine too hard. The AI simply cannot properly use diplomacy or grand strategy. Limit it to recruiting, building armies and moving them operationally and it's great. But I think most realize that.
I would just say that if you have any interest in operational 18th century warfare and don't dislike the AGEOD system, you should check this one out
And, meanwhile, ships go sailing under an early-18th-century Sun:
Quote from: MengJiao on June 15, 2018, 06:33:15 PM
Quote from: mikeck on June 15, 2018, 02:52:44 PM
I think I'm games like Wars of Napoleon and End all Wars, they are pushing the engine too hard. The AI simply cannot properly use diplomacy or grand strategy. Limit it to recruiting, building armies and moving them operationally and it's great. But I think most realize that.
I would just say that if you have any interest in operational 18th century warfare and don't dislike the AGEOD system, you should check this one out
And, meanwhile, ships go sailing under an early-18th-century Sun:
And the war has been on for 9 months. It is now early 1702 and all that has happened is that Prince Eugene scared the Bourbons in Italy and vanished and I (as a cunning Bourboneer) launched a winter raid with the Archbishop of Cologne's army under Westerloo -- who can command French people and Germans! -- Westerloo's little army reached Koblentz and was about to perish of bad food, glanders and the icy cold of the Lower Rhine -- I belatedly assembled some rescue forces -- but all might have been lost except that the garrison of Koblentz accepted the Honors of War and Westerloo and company were able to get out of the cold and recover:
Quote from: mikeck on June 15, 2018, 02:52:44 PM
I think I’m games like Wars of Napoleon and End all Wars, they are pushing the engine too hard. The AI simply cannot properly use diplomacy or grand strategy. Limit it to recruiting, building armies and moving them operationally and it’s great. But I think most realize that.
I think Napoleonic games have additional problems. For the early campaigns its like designing a 1940 France game: Napoleon is expected to win easily or the game is 'broken.' So 1806, 1806 and 1807 games all end up on rails where hapless Prussians, Austrians and Russians are hamstrung by some mechanic so that France can win the decisive battle. Its just tedious, and no one in board or PC games has come up with a design which really models what happened.
Spain is the same but you have to make Wellington to be invincible, Russia is too big, so that really only leaves 1813 as a competitive campaign.
I thought Wars of Napoleon was less good than Mark Zucker's board game representation of the yearly campaigns, but not because of the engine, just because napoleonic campaigns are boring.
To end all wars, like any grand ww1 game, had to simulate 3-4 different types of warfare, but didn't really get any of them right. Wars of Succession and Brit Civil War are great, they hit the engines sweet spot, and somehow the US Civil War game is superb despite it not really being a suitable war. Whatever they did to the combat engine just seems to make it feel right.
Quote from: MengJiao on June 15, 2018, 06:33:15 PM
Quote from: mikeck on June 15, 2018, 02:52:44 PM
I think I'm games like Wars of Napoleon and End all Wars, they are pushing the engine too hard. The AI simply cannot properly use diplomacy or grand strategy. Limit it to recruiting, building armies and moving them operationally and it's great. But I think most realize that.
I would just say that if you have any interest in operational 18th century warfare and don't dislike the AGEOD system, you should check this one out
And, meanwhile, ships go sailing under an early-18th-century Sun:
And more meanwhile, I may have set the AI to a too-thoughtful setting; Prince Eugene was busy in Italy besieging Modena. Not really sure why. It was a bit suicidal since No supplies had reached him in a year or so and Tessy had taken all that had been sent his way. No he seems to have vanished along with the Imperial Army. Perhaps he offered himself the honors of war and teleported himself to Wien. Last time he vanished, he turned up in the Alps -- but this time (unless Venice has joined the Grand Alliance) I can't see where he could have gone.
PS. Maybe he is in Mantua?
Sounds odd, although on occasion, Athena (The AGEOD engine) does something weird; like sending Stonewall Jackson up to attack Pittsburg Pennsylvania in February 1862 whereupon he withers sans supplies. But all in all, she's pretty good. In my games as France, Prince Eugene gives me fits down there. I generally avoid a fight with him. I consolidate forces and try to wear him down. One time, I used my Navy to land a Small Force off the northeastern Adriatic. Used it to move north and cut his supply. Worked well although after a huge battle that tore up his force, his defeat was likely a foregon conclusion.
I'm glad someone else is playing this besides me. I mean C'mon! How many games cover 18th century warfare operationally?
Quote from: mikeck on June 18, 2018, 10:19:47 PM
Sounds odd, although on occasion, Athena (The AGEOD engine) does something weird; like sending Stonewall Jackson up to attack Pittsburg Pennsylvania in February 1862 whereupon he withers sans supplies. But all in all, she's pretty good. In my games as France, Prince Eugene gives me fits down there. I generally avoid a fight with him. I consolidate forces and try to wear him down. One time, I used my Navy to land a Small Force off the northeastern Adriatic. Used it to move north and cut his supply. Worked well although after a huge battle that tore up his force, his defeat was likely a foregon conclusion.
I'm glad someone else is playing this besides me. I mean C'mon! How many games cover 18th century warfare operationally?
I also landed in the Northeastern Adriatic. You can get through to the Hungarians and Bavarians maybe that way. I'm not sure what went wrong with Eugene. His supply was cut (again shades of the confederates going to Pittsburg and having no supplies) and now he is hopelessly beseiged in Mantova. There's just no room for him on this map to manoeuvre. If I play the Grand Alliance, I'm going to get Eugene out of there and ambush the Bourbons elsewhere.
Meanwhile its June 1703 and Marlborough is beseiging Antwerp while his allies swarm over the Spanish Netherlands, so life is still hard for the Bourbons.
It's a pretty neat game. Every turn gives you lots of pretty tricky decisions to make -- usually for situations that won't unfold for another few turns so there's a lot of layers of suspense.
Quote from: MengJiao on June 18, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
Quote from: mikeck on June 18, 2018, 10:19:47 PM
Sounds odd, although on occasion, Athena (The AGEOD engine) does something weird; like sending Stonewall Jackson up to attack Pittsburg Pennsylvania in February 1862 whereupon he withers sans supplies. But all in all, she's pretty good. In my games as France, Prince Eugene gives me fits down there. I generally avoid a fight with him. I consolidate forces and try to wear him down. One time, I used my Navy to land a Small Force off the northeastern Adriatic. Used it to move north and cut his supply. Worked well although after a huge battle that tore up his force, his defeat was likely a foregon conclusion.
I'm glad someone else is playing this besides me. I mean C'mon! How many games cover 18th century warfare operationally?
I also landed in the Northeastern Adriatic. You can get through to the Hungarians and Bavarians maybe that way. I'm not sure what went wrong with Eugene. His supply was cut (again shades of the confederates going to Pittsburg and having no supplies) and now he is hopelessly beseiged in Mantova. There's just no room for him on this map to manoeuvre. If I play the Grand Alliance, I'm going to get Eugene out of there and ambush the Bourbons elsewhere.
Meanwhile its June 1703 and Marlborough is beseiging Antwerp while his allies swarm over the Spanish Netherlands, so life is still hard for the Bourbons.
It's a pretty neat game. Every turn gives you lots of pretty tricky decisions to make -- usually for situations that won't unfold for another few turns so there's a lot of layers of suspense.
So the drama of Prince Eugene Continues. It is August 1703. The British slipped in a force to Eugene (sailing up the river...at that point Eugene still controlled the "Coastal" guns on the river) so Eugene had a combat power of about 500 and he attacked the besiegers who had a power of about 1500. To my horror, despite my mass infantry attack, the Bourbons lost the battle. However the results of the defeat are that Eugene has a combat power of about 100 and the besiegers have nearly 800 plus the fort guns and the harbor guns and the magazines. So I guess Eugene is holding out in the citadel with his winnings. Meanwhile, if the Bourbons take Graz with their French expeditionary force, they are within a few moves of Wien from three sides (West Bavaria, East Hungaria and south the expeditionary force). Up North the Grand alliance has 3 sieges going and the Bourbons will only be able to lift two of those if they are lucky.
I want to pick this up sometime as it covers one of the most interesting periods. But not gonna do it until I'm ready to start playing as soon as I get it. Have trained myself better lately. :arr:
Quote from: MengJiao on June 16, 2018, 04:32:43 PM
Quote from: MengJiao on June 15, 2018, 06:33:15 PM
Quote from: mikeck on June 15, 2018, 02:52:44 PM
I think I'm games like Wars of Napoleon and End all Wars, they are pushing the engine too hard. The AI simply cannot properly use diplomacy or grand strategy. Limit it to recruiting, building armies and moving them operationally and it's great. But I think most realize that.
I would just say that if you have any interest in operational 18th century warfare and don't dislike the AGEOD system, you should check this one out
And, meanwhile, ships go sailing under an early-18th-century Sun:
And the war has been on for 9 months. It is now early 1702 and all that has happened is that Prince Eugene scared the Bourbons in Italy and vanished and I (as a cunning Bourboneer) launched a winter raid with the Archbishop of Cologne's army under Westerloo -- who can command French people and Germans! -- Westerloo's little army reached Koblentz and was about to perish of bad food, glanders and the icy cold of the Lower Rhine -- I belatedly assembled some rescue forces -- but all might have been lost except that the garrison of Koblentz accepted the Honors of War and Westerloo and company were able to get out of the cold and recover:
My saving Westerloo story inspired me to go back to this game. Sorta like Crusader Kings III but around 600 years later and more involved with taking cities and such.
I managed to finish the Northern Wars scenario as the Swedish and it did not go too badly. Very good game!
Quote from: twitter3 on September 08, 2020, 09:18:07 AM
I managed to finish the Northern Wars scenario as the Swedish and it did not go too badly. Very good game!
Yes. It's pretty good. I'm starting over with the Italy in 1701 scenario...which is small and introductory.