http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/869693-breaking-jodie-whittaker-announced-as-the-13th-doctor
https://twitter.com/PulpLibrarian/status/886610007286067203
Not unsurprising. I'm fine with the choice, as long as they tell good stories.
I'll be disappointed if they continue pandering with a lesbian love affair between her and whomever (Missy and/or companion), but those doors have already been opened -- way, way open -- so I might as well get ready for disappointment. Many other fans will be disappointed if they don't, so. ::)
I don't think you can say way way opened and lesbians in the same sentence
I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating Jelly babies.
Quote from: JasonPratt on July 16, 2017, 01:29:59 PM
Many other fans will be disappointed if they don't
That would be moi
Can Timelords really change their sex during regenerations?
I always thought that was one of the things that were pre-set for them.
The Doctor so far has always been male and so has the Master, while River Song for an example was always female.
The only time I saw the Doctor turning female was in that awesome parody of Doctor Who (with Rowan Atkinson in the lead role!).
The Master has been female for awhile now as Missy (Mistress).
And I'm sure the Doctor will say, "Dammit, I'm still not a ginger!".
^Him/Her regenerating to be Karen Gillian would be pretty awesome. ;)
Quote from: Tpek on July 16, 2017, 02:09:58 PM
... while River Song for an example was always female.
River Song isn't a Time Lord. She is human, but was born on the TARDIS while it was traveling so due to it's effects she has some of the Time Lords' powers (or something like that).
Quote from: Tpek on July 16, 2017, 03:02:11 PM
^Him/Her regenerating to be Karen Gillian would be pretty awesome. ;)
Wait, let me find him...
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Quote from: mirth on July 16, 2017, 02:12:46 PM
The Master has been female for awhile now as Missy (Mistress).
Michelle Gomez played a great part and brought the character to life. Sadly, that was also her last appearance.
Alex Kingston ( as River Song) has also played a great character - I'd like to see more of her in future episodes.
I think it was established by the writers some time before it was mentioned (much less shown) on-show that Time Lords could change genders. The first time I recall them mentioning it on-show was back in 11's run (or maybe early in 10... one of the Doctors referenced a fellow TL who had changed gender).
The Big Finish Audio plays, while semi-canon, have had it for longer.
Does the gender swap give them a do-over, so they can regenerate another eleven or so times?
They already pretty much did away with the idea of a limited number of regenerations.
oh Bawb... have you learned nothing.
I wouldnt write of Missy so quickly. :smitten:
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 16, 2017, 05:21:27 PM
oh Bawb... have you learned nothing.
I wouldnt write of Missy so quickly. :smitten:
"Death is for other people, darling." >:D
Quote from: mirth on July 16, 2017, 03:28:57 PM
They already pretty much did away with the idea of a limited number of regenerations.
Ssssssort of. I noticed them still playing with the concept somewhere in Capaldi's first two seasons (haven't watched his 3rd yet).
They've been cagey about it, but they've laid the groundwork for more than 13 (or whatever the number was supposed to be). Safe to say the show isn't going to end because of a limit on regenerating.
Great move. Can't wait to see which way she prefers her toilet seat. 8)
I'd love to see Stewart as a Doctor.
Quote from: JasonPratt on July 16, 2017, 05:50:44 PM
Quote from: mirth on July 16, 2017, 03:28:57 PM
They already pretty much did away with the idea of a limited number of regenerations.
Ssssssort of. I noticed them still playing with the concept somewhere in Capaldi's first two seasons (haven't watched his 3rd yet).
The limit still exists. The Doctor had his full 13 regenerations (Tennant regenerated twice), ending with Matt Smith's. In the 2013 Christmas Special "Time of the Doctor", the Doctor was gifted with a new 13 regenerations by the Time Lords, so the Capaldi Doctor was the first of a new set of 13. The Master was in a similar situation.
So, much like Time Lords being able to switch gender, they've managed to write in new continuity and go fast and loose with the story as its gone along.
Quote from: Staggerwing on July 16, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
Quote from: Tpek on July 16, 2017, 02:09:58 PM
... while River Song for an example was always female.
River Song isn't a Time Lord. She is human, but was born on the TARDIS while it was traveling so due to it's effects she has some of the Time Lords' powers (or something like that).
She was Half-Time-Lord.
Despite having both Human parents (Amy Pond and Rory Williams), having been conceived on the TARDIS (she was born elsewhere) made her a half time lord.
BTW, with the Doctor now being female, will they try for a male companion?
I'm hoping for a Horta companion.
Me too!
Quote from: mirth on July 16, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating Jelly babies.
WTF are "jelly babies"?
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 17, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 16, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating Jelly babies.
WTF are "jelly babies"?
<smh>
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Jelly_baby
Quote from: bbmike on July 17, 2017, 06:56:45 AM
I'm hoping for a Horta companion.
The lesbian love scenes will be kinda tricky though.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 17, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 16, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating Jelly babies.
WTF are "jelly babies"?
If you had a nerd card you just lost it.
^lmao
Quote from: bbmike on July 17, 2017, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 17, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 16, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating Jelly babies.
WTF are "jelly babies"?
If you had a nerd card you just lost it.
Next he's going to ask about the guy with the ridiculously long scarf
Quote from: bbmike on July 17, 2017, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 17, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 16, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating Jelly babies.
WTF are "jelly babies"?
If you had a nerd card you just lost it.
I thought he was typo'ing Jelly Bellies
I've seen an occasional one-off episode of the show. I get a lot of the lore / references.
I was never particularly entertained by it and preferred to watch other stuff.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 17, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
I was never particularly entertained by it and preferred to watch other stuff.
Knight Rider and the original Battlestar Galactica was such compelling television :P
Quote from: mirth on July 17, 2017, 09:57:37 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 17, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
I was never particularly entertained by it and preferred to watch other stuff.
Knight Rider and the original Battlestar Galactica Galactica '80 was such compelling television :P
FTFY
Galactica '80. What a suckfest that was, even back then in the Era of Sucky TV.
for a good chunk of those years, I was living in Germany. I was either out climbing the Alps or watching MTV on videocassette b/c we weren't in range of any AFN / BBC stations, and only got 2 German ones over-the-air where we were.
I never watched Doctor Who either. Too British for my tastes. If the Brits HAVE to be in space, they should restrict themselves to doing what they do best, playing Loki-like evil villians. :2funny:
Quote from: Sir Slash on July 17, 2017, 11:10:19 AM
I never watched Doctor Who either. Too British for my tastes. If the Brits HAVE to be in space, they should restrict themselves to doing what they do best, playing LokiTarkin-like evil villians. :2funny:
I won't say "fixed" because the other is also valid. But more appropriate for the time period of jelly babies.
Quote from: SirAndrewD on July 16, 2017, 10:52:23 PM
The limit still exists. The Doctor had his full 13 regenerations (Tennant regenerated twice), ending with Matt Smith's. In the 2013 Christmas Special "Time of the Doctor", the Doctor was gifted with a new 13 regenerations by the Time Lords, so the Capaldi Doctor was the first of a new set of 13. The Master was in a similar situation.
Yeah, but they've teased since then that his limit for regeneration might be off. (I'm thinking of the scene from the Mummy on the Orient Express as one example.)
It's not much of a limit if you can just be "gifted" 13 more.
Quote from: Sir Slash on July 17, 2017, 11:10:19 AM
I never watched Doctor Who either. Too British for my tastes. If the Brits HAVE to be in space, they should restrict themselves to doing what they do best, playing Loki-like evil villians. :2funny:
...Spiny Norman will be paying you a visit...............
Dinsdale?
Quote from: mirth on July 17, 2017, 11:24:05 AM
It's not much of a limit if you can just be "gifted" 13 more.
(Well, 12 more regens.) They were written as special situations for both the Doctor and the Master (who actually got his new set some time previously, between the TV film and the 9th Doctor). Had those situations not occurred, they would have in principle died the final death.
Of course someone has to write up the situation, not just pull it from a hat. (Kind of pulled from a hat for the Master, to be fair, but there was a serious rationale for it, too: he was the TLs' first choice for leading the fight in the Time War, but when he saw how bad things were he fled.)
On the other hand, the Master has been rather consistently trying to beat the regeneration limit on his own terms since his introduction (years before the limit was even introduced into the plot).
Relatedly, River used up all her remaining regenerations to heal the Doctor at one point, and so legitimately died without regenerating. (This was in her first episode, long before anyone had written her has part TL.) But she beat the limit by how she died, being placed into the largest database in the galaxy, and (hinted) giving herself a new body thereby at some point.
The real threat is being killed so fast or hard that it shorts out the regen process. Or being trapped in a fate worse than death where regeneration isn't possible or won't help.
Quote from: JasonPratt on July 17, 2017, 01:14:45 PM
Quote from: mirth on July 17, 2017, 11:24:05 AM
It's not much of a limit if you can just be "gifted" 13 more.
(Well, 12 more regens.) They were written as special situations for both the Doctor and the Master (who actually got his new set some time previously, between the TV film and the 9th Doctor). Had those situations not occurred, they would have in principle died the final death.
Of course someone has to write up the situation, not just pull it from a hat. (Kind of pulled from a hat for the Master, to be fair, but there was a serious rationale for it, too: he was the TLs' first choice for leading the fight in the Time War, but when he saw how bad things were he fled.)
On the other hand, the Master has been rather consistently trying to beat the regeneration limit on his own terms since his introduction (years before the limit was even introduced into the plot).
Relatedly, River used up all her remaining regenerations to heal the Doctor at one point, and so legitimately died without regenerating. (This was in her first episode, long before anyone had written her has part TL.) But she beat the limit by how she died, being placed into the largest database in the galaxy, and (hinted) giving herself a new body thereby at some point.
The real threat is being killed so fast or hard that it shorts out the regen process. Or being trapped in a fate worse than death where regeneration isn't possible or won't help.
In one of the season/series finales, with Matt Smith and Jenna Coleman, Jenna's character meets River's ghost.
Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy scared the shit out of me. Nothing but British people, aliens, and monsters all over the Universe. Except for the guy with two heads was American if I remember correctly. I never started watching the Doctor because I was afraid I would get hooked on it and be as bad as the rest of you. It could be worse though. There could be hairy Frenchmen and women in space instead. :hide:
Zaphod Beeblebrox.
It scares me you knew that so quickly Bob.
Quote from: JasonPratt on July 17, 2017, 01:14:45 PM
Quote from: mirth on July 17, 2017, 11:24:05 AM
It's not much of a limit if you can just be "gifted" 13 more.
(Well, 12 more regens.) They were written as special situations for both the Doctor and the Master (who actually got his new set some time previously, between the TV film and the 9th Doctor). Had those situations not occurred, they would have in principle died the final death.
Of course someone has to write up the situation, not just pull it from a hat. (Kind of pulled from a hat for the Master, to be fair, but there was a serious rationale for it, too: he was the TLs' first choice for leading the fight in the Time War, but when he saw how bad things were he fled.)
On the other hand, the Master has been rather consistently trying to beat the regeneration limit on his own terms since his introduction (years before the limit was even introduced into the plot).
Relatedly, River used up all her remaining regenerations to heal the Doctor at one point, and so legitimately died without regenerating. (This was in her first episode, long before anyone had written her has part TL.) But she beat the limit by how she died, being placed into the largest database in the galaxy, and (hinted) giving herself a new body thereby at some point.
The real threat is being killed so fast or hard that it shorts out the regen process. Or being trapped in a fate worse than death where regeneration isn't possible or won't help.
The Time Lord Council also gave The Master a new set of regenerations in the classic series.
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^That's exactly how he got them!
I loved that episode. A classic.
Quote from: bbmike on July 17, 2017, 03:07:02 PM
The Time Lord Council also gave The Master a new set of regenerations in the classic series.
In the Five Doctors yeah? He never got to use them though, the Ainley master never regenerated before the Daleks vaporized him and he ended up as a spooky space snake that possessed Eric Roberts.
Man there's too much to remember about this show. I feel like I've got a better handle on it than some, but I guess that's what one gets for continuous watching since 1982. Of course there's so much of it there's always something mis-remembered and forgotten.
NERDS!!!!
Quote from: SirAndrewD on July 17, 2017, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: bbmike on July 17, 2017, 03:07:02 PM
The Time Lord Council also gave The Master a new set of regenerations in the classic series.
In the Five Doctors yeah? He never got to use them though, the Ainley master never regenerated before the Daleks vaporized him and he ended up as a spooky space snake that possessed Eric Roberts.
I'll have to check that. It wouldn't make sense, because Ainley's "Master" wasn't physically a Time Lord anymore: he had projected his consciousness into the body of a man of a different species -- although then again, it shouldn't make sense for Eric Robert's Master either (a somewhat similarly possessed human).
As it happens, we're both right. The TLords did promise the Master a new set of regenerations; but only if he succeeded in his task, and they never got around to giving them (until much later for the Time War, having rescued him from the Eye of Terror.... wait, wrong franchise. ;) The Eye of the World? That thing at the center of the TARDIS, like the Untempered Schism.)
They probably didn't because (a) the Third Doctor stole his Seal of the High Council (proving he was on a legitimate mission, which returns as a sort of long-running continuity joke in Eleven's final story); (b) he betrays everyone after all and tries to get the Immortality of Rassilon and kill off all of Team Good; and (c) he was actually hired
expecting to screw over the Doctors as a spanner in the works. (This part of the plot doesn't make much sense to the finale.) So he was never going to get a recharge on his do-overs anyway.
NERDS!!!!
They're everywhere!
"Who-Nerds" Are in a class all by themselves.
Who us?
... WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OUR GREAT SMILIES, WE USED TO HAVE A CYBERSMILEY AND EVERYTHANG!
sigh, I'll just have to make do with what we've got. Let's see...
L:-) Dalek smiley. O:-)
For anyone who wants a dose of SJW pain
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/doctor-who-jodie-whittaker-reaction.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/opinion/doctor-who-jodie-whittaker-reaction.html)
QuoteThe Doctor, they seem to believe, is yet another white male birthright, like the American presidency, like the planet.
Next thing you know, he won't even be British anymore. >:(
Quote from: Sir Slash on July 19, 2017, 10:05:30 PM
Next thing you know, he won't even be British anymore. >:(
That would cause riots in the UK.
Heck, I'm still on the fence on whether or not the decision will be good for the show. The viewership dropped pretty heavily when they cast Capaldi, mostly because of his age.
I'm still not sure I'm going to stick with it honestly. Not really because it's a woman in the role, but mostly because I am OCD about recasting in my media, and take a lot longer than normal to get comfortable with a recast, even when it's part of the entire concept of character. I never really accepted Michelle Gomez as the master, not sure I can ever get over my OCD block and see Whitaker as the Doctor. I'll give it a try though.
I still haven't recovered from Tom Baker leaving the role.
Quote from: mirth on July 20, 2017, 11:47:13 AM
I still haven't recovered from Tom Baker leaving the role.
The best Doctor by far IMHO. O0
Quote from: bbmike on July 20, 2017, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 20, 2017, 11:47:13 AM
I still haven't recovered from Tom Baker leaving the role.
The best Doctor by far IMHO. O0
+1. I "grew up" with The Doctor, Sara Jane Smith and K-9.
Sara Jane :smitten:
Romana. :smitten:
...the, uh, fur bikini woman, whoever she was. :smitten:
Anyway. The only argument I would have about the Doctor necessarily being a white man, is that he's supposed to represent the quintessential dotty British intellectual. Having him adapt to real history is a thematic way of saying that British world culture is still relevant and important today by being adaptable into today's society -- but the thematic point is lost if he tropes (so to speak) over to another mode of representation. But of course, modern British progressives are super-embarrassed of colonial world-power Britain and its achievements, so even having a quirky reminder continuing to be culturally relevant offends them.
This could be adjusted for somewhat, depending on how they write Whittaker's character and how she portrays her -- the Doctor is nothing if not legacy incarnate -- but I have to say I'm dubious about the intentions of what they're marketing as their "bold" new direction. Their rationales have not so far been about fresh story opportunities or whatever, but about social pandering (to be blunt).
I suddenly realized I've been seeing a major uptick in official "snippets" from classic Who episodes on BBC's Youtube channels, especially their Doctor Who channel. That's good marketing for the classic eps, and I hope it means they'll be making those more accessible (on Prime for example). But I'm wondering if it's also meant as a sort of reminder that the classic Doctors will still be there so stop whining. ::)
Oh well. I can't say their attitude fills me with hope (despite marketing her as "hope", which I agree is a good idea), but if they can write good stories for her and the acting remains up to par, I won't care.
Mary Tamm, Romana or Lalla Ward, Romana?
Quote from: JasonPratt on July 20, 2017, 06:51:46 PM
...the, uh, fur bikini woman, whoever she was. :smitten:
Leela. Best companion ever. :smitten:
There we go. :D
Although the Doctor, near the beginning of the Pyramids of Mars, seemed to have been pining over Victoria himself (when Sarah Jane found a dress of hers).