Command Ops 2 - Feb 16, 2017 on Steam

[Surtur]

Although people reporting the core game install is missing files at the moment....

I have this issue as well.

[Greybriar]

Steam page is up:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/521800

The base game is free and seven of the DLC are priced at 20% off as follows:
Command Ops 2: Highway to the Reich Vol. 1 - $29.99 -20% = $23.99
Command Ops 2: Foothills of the Gods Vol. 2- $34.99 -20% = $27.99
Command Ops 2: Ride of the Valkyries Vol. 3 - $29.99 -20% = $23.99
Command Ops 2: Bastogne Vol. 4 - $29.99 -20% = $23.99
Command Ops 2: The Cauldron Vol. 5- $34.99 -20% = $27.99
Command Ops 2: Knock On All Doors Vol. 6 - $29.99 -20% = $23.99
Command Ops 2: Westwall Vol. 7 - $29.99 -20% = $23.99
Command Ops 2: Patton's Charge Vol. 8 - N/A

Total for 7 DLC: $175.93

[chemkid]

i bought their whole catalog shortly before they left matrix/slitherine - i love their approach and the games look like fun but i never got into playing... that whole OODA loop thing is pretty exciting but i'm missing something. dunno what but still, i'd like to support them and i'd spend my money if i had anything left... ;) i guess, someday i'll try their demo or better, i'll play the full version of their matrix bulge game! :D wish them good luck, though...

cheers!

[Ubercat]

Ride of the Valkyries covers the Battle of the Bulge. Why do they have a separate Bastogne DLC?

Edit: NM. They have THREE Bulge DLC's!

[chemkid]

The Core comes with three scenarios, including the tutorial Return to St Vith, Manhay Crossroads, and Greyhound Dash, all focussed on the Epic 1944 Battle of the Bulge.

Ride of the Valkyries - Contains 12 scenarios.
Bastogne - Contains 12 scenarios.
Knock on all Doors - is a 12 scenario module

= 39 scenarios (3 of them are FREE!)

the original matrixgames 'Command Ops: Battles from the Bulge':
27 scenarios, covering initial German offensive and American counter-attack

= 27 premium, never to be bought again, limited collector items/scenarios!

[JasonPratt]

Surely all those scenarios from ComOps 1 Bulge aren't missing from the three+core packs??

By the way, the coming 8th expansion will also feature more Bulge fighting (though not exclusively).

[chemkid]

too sad, my purse is missing a bulge...

but i guess co2 isn't missing any of that co1 bulge goodness - otherwise my eyes would start to bulge!

(co2 - the bulge simulator) ;)

[JasonPratt]

"COps2: Bulge Simulator 2017"

I dare someone to add that as a review on Steam.  :D

[Ubercat]

A question for you old hands. How well do you think the AI does combined arms? Are infantry with cover a threat to unescorted enemy armor in close quarters? Do infantry and armor need each other in various situations?

[Hofstadter]

Dongle...... Bulge...

Good lord save me


Anyway combined arms are very important. Attack is measured in terms of anti-personnel and anti armory. So having a mix will make your pushes more consistent. Especially attacking towns, long range tanks suppressing a town make all the difference in pushing with an assault force of mechanised and infantry

Also hidden infantry will bork your tanks. There's a mission in CO1, the one in the initial attack of rocherath krinkelt. Single infantry units hidden in the trees along the path will cause mayhem.

[rocketman]

Surely all those scenarios from ComOps 1 Bulge aren't missing from the three+core packs??

By the way, the coming 8th expansion will also feature more Bulge fighting (though not exclusively).

The info I have on 8th module, Patton's Charge, is that it covers the dash across France (Metz, Lorraine etc.) and towards Germany (not Bulge, already covered) with lesser unit density on large maps.

[JasonPratt]

My information included some more Bulge fighting.

"Patton's Charge will cover the more significant battles of this famous campaign, including Operation Nordwind, Nancy, Metz, the Saar and the Lorraine. It will also cover the Huertgen Forest battles just north of the Ardennes."

Patton's original goal was to hit the Westwall south of the Ardennes, also listed, but in either case he was dealing with Wacht Am Rhein by the time he got there, and indeed was the first main general to start anti-WaR operations (having already told his subordinates to start shifting in that direction when he departed to meet with Eisenhower and the front commanders).

I don't see how the latter part of this package couldn't be more operations against the Bulge. Heck, Patton was one of the original coiners of the nickname!

[JasonPratt]

A question for you old hands. How well do you think the AI does combined arms? Are infantry with cover a threat to unescorted enemy armor in close quarters? Do infantry and armor need each other in various situations?

To support Hof's fine reply: this system lives on combined arms. Infantry companies by themselves (during latter war maneuvers anyway) are rated as very good anti-armor. So they can hit from ambush at short range, like in cities and forests. Tanks protect them from anti-personnel fire at long range, and provide mobile direct arty fire (in effect) for suppression during assaults on softer targets. Infantry protects armor from other infantry at close range, and screening at medium range.

You will plotz.  O0

[JasonPratt]

Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out a new way to learn the system (and by the way this version of the game signally lacks good tutorials as part of its package, despite a "tutorial" battle, relying on Youtube help). The game, as far as I can tell so far, still doesn't easily allow players to work at battalion command level receiving orders and operating at such limited scales. Or even at the brigade level giving command to battalions (unless the scenario simply limits the map to a bat vs bat fight.) The solution so far seems to be to load the scenario, find the ultimate HQ for your side, give a general instruction to 'go here' or 'do this', and then subsequently ignore what else is going on to focus on moving your battalion and its companies around -- which pretty much means also running the scenario at instant or near-instant delay, because the engine will still be operating as though you're passing commands along from the uppermost level, not as though you're generating commands at the local level.

[Pete Dero]

I'm thinking about getting this but I can't find a list of included scenarios, and I already own the Matrix games (HTTR & BFTB).
(I even bought HTTR 2 times : the standalone version and the DLC version for BFTB)

I don't want to buy the 4 DLC's to find out I end up with the same scenarios.

These are included with the Matrix versions :

BFTB
Tutorial Return to St Vith.cos   
Advance to the Sure.cos               
Assault on the Sauer.cos              
Bastogne Breakout.cos                 
Battered Bastards.cos                 
Battle of the Roadblocks.cos          
Cracking the Goose Egg.cos       
Dinant - Do or Die.cos             
Eddy's Riposte.cos
Elsenborn Ridge.cos       
Final Jump.cos                        
Greyhound Dash.cos
Hell on Wheels Counterattack.cos 
Höfen Ho-Down.cos                     
Losheim Gap.cos                       
Manhay Crossroads.cos                 
Mayhem on the Meuse.cos         
Nobody Comes Back.cos           
Patton's Favorite.cos         
Peiper Crosses the Meuse.cos     
Peiper's Race for the Meuse.cos       
Race for Bastogne.cos                 
Skorzeny's Bid for Glory.cos          
Spearhead v. Reich.cos                
Stuck in the Teeth.cos         
We Fight and Die Here.cos   
Widening the Corridor.cos                    


HTTR
All American over Nijmegen.cos   
Arnhem-Second Wave.cos         
Big Chill Breakout.cos           
Breakout from Joe's Bridge.cos        
From the Muese to the Rhine.cos   
Joe's Bridge.cos                      
Keeping the Island Afloat.cos         
Molenhoek Counter-Attack.cos     
Mook Right Hook.cos                   
Operation Garden Final Phase.cos   
Red Devils Over Arnhem.cos            
Screaming Eagles over Hell's Highway.cos   
Terror of the Tyne Tees.cos           

If someone could confirm whether these are the same or different that would help me a lot in my decision.